Can You Upgrade B450 From Ryzen 5 3600 To Ryzen 7 5700X3D Things To Watch Out For

[@D_8KEN]

Ryzen 7 5700X3D! What a chip! Will be a huge jump. Made that same swap on another system myself.

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah he was REALLY pleased with the results

[@WrongButtonWB]

With that rtx2070 that he has, if he doesn't swap it soon, for something more powerful, cpu upgrade will almost make no change at all. Only benefits vs the old ryzen 3600 will be noticed, on really cpu heavy titles, and that would be 1% and 0.1% lows mainly. Other than that, as far as the average fps goes, basically the same, not even 10% max diff.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

same.

[@tonkatoytruck]

Going with the AM4 platform back in 2018 was the best gaming PC decision I ever made.

[@advancedmomuser-kb2qn]

u were one of the fooled clowns with 1xxx,or 2xxx series..those cpu were crap..

[@tonkatoytruck]

@@advancedmomuser-kb2qn When GPUs were very expensive or non existant, the R5 2400G was a great solution for those on a budget but still wanted to get on the AM4 platform. Not sure what you are rattling on about.

[@loudomanico4237]

Mike, please do load temperatures with cinebench so we can tell how hot that CPU runs on air, important info to some (me).

[@zerozone5848]

@@advancedmomuser-kb2qn i got an r5 3600 back in 2019. That cpu was legendary

[@ChiekoGamers]

Literally all tutorial videos I watched in your channel just works perfectly. Thanks

[@mikesunboxing]

that is good to hear, but now i have a lot to live up to :-)

[@FrostZXC_]

I already did this set up. my motherboard is b450m from R5 2600 to R7 5700X3D and upgraded my GPU from 3050 to 4060 then upgraded my 16gb ram to 32gb of ram. and i bought a Thermalright PS 120 SE cooler for better cpu temp. and it was a great upgrade! soon im moving to b550m :)

[@mikesunboxing]

that sounds like a great upgrade

[@FrostZXC_]

@@mikesunboxing Yes it is! Im enjoying it so far

[@uglybob7505]

I nearly lagged me pants when you said "dirty slot". Great video Mike and Kath, the lad will be well chuffed with the upgrades 🙂

[@mikesunboxing]

Glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for appreciating the thermal paste application

[@OlettaLiano]

Yeah, I thought he was talking about my girlfriend. Then I realized he said slot, not slut. 🤣

[@fullmetalboon4670]

Hi Mike, great vid! I recently went from a Ryzen 5600 to a Ryzen 5700x3D and V-cache is great for gaming but I have a Gigabyte B550 Gaming X V2 instead of your B450, but was worth the upgrade still a bit of a jump :) I wanted to add that as long as you run both memory sticks with the XMP profile (at 3200Mhz) they will both run without any issues as both sets are running at the same latency. If anyone on the comments are using all 4 Ram slots in their motherboard (2 x 2 set configuration) if for example the RAM sticks mike has used, and don't have XMP enabled you can possibly get stability issues as the latency determines how often the clock cycle gets refreshed from the RAM, if you have a mismatch it could cause programs to crash or other errors, so make sure XMP is already enabled in general. If for some crazy reason your RAM sticks don't have XMP, You will have to manually match the slowest set of RAM sticks in the machine. RAM timings can always be set to a slower rate, but if you were to match RAM to another faster set of sticks your essentially telling the RAM to repeat cycles more quickly than it is used to, and this can cause crashses too, so better to go the other way and match the RAM at the slowest speed (if you have 2 x 2 different sets and no XMP). You can also lower the temps of of the 5700x3D as it does get hot, There is a good bit of software where you can offset the voltage slightly by -0.30 to each core called PBO2 Tuner, There are several useful videos on this but you will have to add it to Windows Scheduled tasks so it applies every time you boot your PC.

[@TY-wy8nd]

which rev version was your motherboard

[@jbscotchman]

I upgraded my ASRock B450m Pro 4 with a 5700X3D a few weeks ago. Everything went smooth.

[@mikesunboxing]

great combo

[@Myster1970]

I just did a very similar upgrade last month on a system I built for a friend a few years ago. Old specs: CPU - Ryzen 5 3600 Cooler - Hyper 212 Black Edition Motherboard - MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX II ATX AM4 Hard Drive - Crucial P1 1 TB M.2 NVME RAM - G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory Video Card - EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER SC ULTRA 6 GB New specs: CPU - Ryzen 7 5700X3D Cooler - Thermalright Phantom Spirit Black Motherboard - No change Hard Drive - Crucial P3 4 TB M.2 NVME Ram - Added another 16 GB kit of the same RAM taking it to 32 GB so now its (4 x 8 GB) Video Card - ASRock Challenger Pro OC Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB Thankfully, I got the correct BIOS update from MSI's website the first time so there were no hangups there. The update did put all the BIOS settings back to default, so I had to re-enable XMP and re-enter the custom CPU and Case fan curves in BIOS, but that was to be expected. I probably didn't need to upgrade the cooler, but it was an easy swap since I had to remove it to change the CPU anyway. Also the 3600 only draws 65W while the 5700X3D draws 105W so better safe than sorry, especially since it was a relatively cheap upgrade to the cooling solution. Next, I migrated her OS from the 1TB M.2 drive to a new 4TB M.2 drive using the OS Migration tool in DiskGenius. It worked flawlessly and greatly increased the storage space. So now there's no more uninstalling an old game just to install a new one because of limited space. Lastly, the GPU upgrade (got it for $269 in July on sale about 2 months before supplies ran out) should give this system a few more years of life playing new AAA games at max settings on 1080p. This card will even play those games at 1440p at high settings so if she upgrades her monitor, no other hardware changes will be needed. Another potential pitfall to watch out for is making sure to use Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to uninstall your old GPU drivers when changing from one brand to another. In this case, I went from nVidia to AMD, but it works either way. This helps ensure that no residual driver files remain on your system potentially causing conflict with your new card's drivers.

[@mikesunboxing]

that looks like a really good upgrade and some great tips, thanks

[@Vialli100.]

That 3:32 is correct Mike, mine at 1799.6mhz is 3:54, Nothing to worry about.. I have 2 Hynix + 2 Samsung too, but are the same speed and product number, it won't cause any problems.. Nice upgrade..

[@mikesunboxing]

cheers! the customer is really happy with the outcome, so it all ended well

[@darthwiizius]

That Patriot RAM doesn't play well with Zen3 on MSi B450 PCBS. I couldn't get my XMP to function until I swapped out the Patriot 2133MHz base speed 3200 CL16 I had in mine for 2407MHz Base. Solved it instantly.

[@rickh8380]

Nice upgrade Mike. Glad you used the Thermal Grizzly paste. My favorite. Take care everybody. Cheers

[@mikesunboxing]

cheers rick and thanks for sending it, the paste looked a bit dodgy at first, but at least it made uglybob laugh

[@jeanpilgrim8575]

Thanks for the video, I wanted to do a do final upgrade for my B450 to save some money for the Rtx5070 😊

[@mikesunboxing]

that should be an interesting gpu when it arrives

[@TheBlindBard]

I fancy a good upgrade! I did this to my iBuyPower PC, last year. I upgraded from a single 8 GB DDR4 RAM stick with eight times that much, and added ample storage with three, 2TB SSDs, and she runs perfectly.

[@mikesunboxing]

thanks for watching

[@TheBlindBard]

@@mikesunboxing You're very welcome, Mike!

[@Senrab46]

Very interesting to watch the process of upgrading including honesty of error! Curiously the cpuz showed the B450 as PCIE Gen4 as I thought they were all Gen3 mbs. I know the RTX2000s were gen3 as shown in cpuz. As for the DDR4 I agree with policy of 2x sticks rather than 4 but never thought identical sticks would have diff memory suppliers & affect xmp! Thanks Mike and Kath for sharing 😺👍

[@mikesunboxing]

in the early days it was sometimes able to use PCIe gen4 on some good b450 boards but the signalling for those speeds was borderline stable, so it was removed from the specs. likewise some low end b550 boards were called gen3 boards, so basically b450

[@Wellibob68]

No video is compete without a blue roll of tissue popping up. Cheers Mike. Good upgrade too BTW.

[@mikesunboxing]

need the blue roll now with this cold

[@DaviesBenchmarks]

Nice to see you doing benchmarks.

[@mikesunboxing]

i honestly hate them, but people like to see them. There are so many variables to take into consideration for them to be accurate

[@DaviesBenchmarks]

​@@mikesunboxing If you have apps in the background like obs running you will lose points on cinebench.For the Ryzen 5 3600 you would hit a score of 9212 without obs.I know it's not much.The less processes running the better score you get.

[@kaltonian]

All good fun, can't beat an upgrade then looking at the improvements that have been made

[@mikesunboxing]

yes i agree, i miss this

[@ricklakes9405]

Nice upgrade Mike. Great video.

[@mikesunboxing]

Thanks 👍

[@HEKVT]

Great stuff, I bought my components in 2019, with a R5 3600 and a 1660 Ti and 16 GB of RAM. In Jan 2023 swapped the GPU for a 6700XT and moved to 1440p. Now I'm waiting on my 5700X3D and potentially will get 32GB of RAM. Very excited for this upgrade and despite the improvements in 1440p not being as pronounced, the 0.1 and 1% lows will be improved sufficiently.

[@mikesunboxing]

Sounds great! nice upgrades!

[@JHolifay]

Looking to make a similar jump. 1660 Super is getting replaced along w/ the R5 3600, would love to put in a 5700x3D

[@a.j.haverkamp4023]

Nice house, you have money growing on the wall!

[@mikesunboxing]

It is for fengshui it brings good fortune

[@gyrester]

Thanks for doing this very informative video. I came to similar conclusions to you when I did the same thing a year ago to get more gaming speed. I have the same motherboard. I swapped out my 3900XT for the 5800x3D and pretty much doubled the FPS in the world of warcraft, especially in main cities. I did run into problems when I tried to add 2 more memory chips... very unstable once XMP was enabled, even though the RAM was rated to 3200Mhz. I was told on the mobo forum that this board isn't overly happy about having all 4 slots occupied and running at 3200Mhz, even if it was the same memory chip in all 4 slots. I ended up giving all 4 sticks of 8GB to the friend who did the CPU upgrade for me and just had 2 16GB sticks instead to get to the 32GB total. This has been completely stable for the last year, and passed all the memory stress tests I ran after installation. The icing on the cake was that the bios on the motherboard allows undervolting the 5800x3D to run it a bit cooler. I have a huge Noctua D15s (I think) air cooler on it. Did have an AIO initially, but it clogged up and stopped. Known problem with that AIO model.

[@friendlypyro9696]

this is the exact thing i was looking for thanks

[@mikesunboxing]

hope your upgrade goes well

[@jamesdegriz]

Am really into those Thermal Grizzly z stacked carbon thermal pads. No mess, lasts forever, and thermals are really good.

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah i need to try those at some point

[@sol-hb8zg]

Beast of a chip. Definitely going to upgrade my brothers system to one of these soon. May get it from AliExpress as the price to performance is great there

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah and try and use our affiliated links if you do :-)

[@moki2003]

i order from aliexpress just arrived today expect it to be late

[@paullamonte5179]

Thanks for mentioning the ram issue mike, seems my 32Gig was also a mixed one in the wrong sku..🙄 it was made up from 2 kits of 16gigs 2 of those where different too at different settings🤔. I have now ordered the right Sku from kingston so fingers crossed its solved it.😄

[@mikesunboxing]

hope it sorts out the problems, or at least allows you to run at higher speeds

[@paullamonte5179]

I forgot to mention it did, fixed it with out any further issues

[@hrayz]

@@mikesunboxing What happened with the RAM on this build? New sticks, manual timings, stuck at low speed?

[@Dannysbirdshed]

Thanks Mike! So much better, like I said tho at some point maybe over the Christmas I’ll drop it back for a new graphics card 🙂

[@mikesunboxing]

no worries mate, so glad to hear that you are loving the upgrade! Look forward to seeing you again when you are ready

[@grizzzlyadamz]

I built my pc back in November 2019. Gigabyte X570 Aorus elite, ryzen 3600x, Sapphire pulse 5600xt, 2x8 Oloy Warhawk 3200cl16( but when setting xmp docp it showed c18-22-22-22. Couldn’t get it better). February 2023 I upgraded to 5800x3d, Asrock Formula OC 6950xt, 4x8 3200c14 gskill tridentz rgb oc’ed to 3600c14. What a perfomance difference.

[@samuellopez-je9nw]

Great Job Sr.

[@martinrakovicky1189]

Interesting shape of the thermal paste before spreading :D

[@mikesunboxing]

you are not the only one to notice that :-) @uglybob noticed as well

[@PeterPauls]

I have an MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX and I upgraded 2,5 years ago to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and later I got some money and bought an RTX 4080 and I already had 32GB 3600mhz CL18 memory in the system. Now I have a 1440p beast PC. The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is not much faster but the new MSI Bioses came an option called Kombo Strike and my CPU is constantly hits 4450 mhz during gaming. Still a great CPU and a few months ago I installed a 2TB NVME SSD (until I used only Sata SSDs) and I think I will be okay with this config for awhile in that 1440p resolution.

[@mikesunboxing]

sounds like a very nice rig

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Here in Australia I just bought Patriot Signature Premium DDR4 32GB (2x16GB) 2666MHz $88.69AUD, replaced it with Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 32GB(2 x 16GB) 4000MHz Kit $97AUD, so $10 more for faster RAM! The 2666 was bought for my previous system (Now under a RMA for a dodgy stick)

[@WilliamAndrewPhilipBodie]

Will it not run better if you put the Samsung Ram in slot 1 & 3. TK Hynix in slot 2 & 4 ??? Thanks for a cool video 😀

[@mikesunboxing]

it might do. i'll suggest it the owner, he is happy with it as it is for now, but i'll suggest it

[@WilliamAndrewPhilipBodie]

@@mikesunboxing CooL 😀

[@OlettaLiano]

Viper Steel is good RAM. I have 4 sticks of 4400 m/ts set to 3800 m/ts CL14 and it works fine.

[@mikesunboxing]

we don't see the brand here in the UK as much as we did

[@surfx4804]

Yea my experience is the same mixing memory. Only work around I have found is to manually try speeds with the "Try It" type functions on the motherboard. You may get 3000 with low timings or 3200 with looser timings. The Samsung pair did look to have the lower timings so maybe try profile 2. Good news is that the 3D cache does offset the slower ram somewhat. And now he will need a GPU upgrade to take advantage of that faster CPU :) I'm still running a 5800x3d with a 4090 and it does great (monitor limited to 120Hz at 4k so even if I could push more fps it would not show)

[@mikesunboxing]

nice setup

[@surfx4804]

@mikesunboxing thanks, I started with a b450, 2600x and 1070ti and just kept upgrading 3700x, 3080 et .. Got a nice asuz b550 now 64gb ram 5800x3d an LGC2 tv. I'm not sure I need to go further yet, as that will need a faster 4k tv or monitor and a 5090 to need a better cpu. That is really a whole new setup. The b450 is still in action with a 5600 cpu in.

[@john_in_phoenix]

I just bought a 5800x3d this weekend from Newegg, they aren't hard to find yet.

[@sporadicentertainment9253]

Got the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, Asus Tuf x570-Plus Wi-Fi, G Skill Trident Z Neo cl14 3600MHz 4x8gb, ALF III 360 Black, Asus RTX 4070 TI Super.

[@mikesunboxing]

that is a great setup!

[@nicon53204]

im running a similar set up i got the same cpu cooler as you running a ryzen 7 5800x with a asus b450 plus 2 motherboard everything runs great no issues at all

[@Meta-Drew]

I went all the way from a 1600x to a 5700x3d. Toughest part was the several incremental bios updates I had to do in a specific order for my old motherboard to get it to support the 5700x3d but after that the swap was painless.

[@mikesunboxing]

that is a pretty spectacular upgrade

[@granitxhaka7261]

Quality work. Can please suggest a motherboard for this processor. I'm on R5 1600, gt 730 and Asus a-320 and should I get the 1650 or aim for the 6600 at bare minimum in gpu upgrade?

[@mikesunboxing]

6600 would be the minimum these days, 8GB Vram is becoming increasingly important

[@philstodd]

All is well... Slight speed bump but good recovery. Maybe I am mistaken, but it looks as though the memory in slots 3 and 4 are running in single channel mode. Slots 1 and 2 show dual under ranks.

[@mikesunboxing]

you might be right there, saldy i didn't have the machine very long and didn't have much chance to tweak settings or try different setups

[@philstodd]

@@mikesunboxing I have 2 Ryzen systems. One is a Ryzen 7 5700G On a Gigabyte B550 motherboard with a graphics card. The other is a Ryzen 5 5600G on an Asus B550 motherboard. I found the 5700 running in single state and the 5600 running in dual state. Swapped memory on the two boards and the issue followed the RAM. I have to research Teamgroup 16 Gb RAM compatibility with Ryzen 5000 CPUs. Good news is The Corsair Vengeance that I swapped was 32 Gb kit. My 5700 runs really great now.

[@torukmahtomahto409]

57X3d is the VFM even with a new AM4 rig..bought 58X3D for 265 euro/23, same 7600x gaming perf at more thwn 1/2 price

[@bluecollarwatches7048]

Love your video’s, that aside I would have liked to see you replace the cmos battery. It’s probably good but they are only like a $1 every flip I do I replace the battery.

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah that i something i overlooked

[@bluecollarwatches7048]

@ I’ve built a lot in the last 6 months at least 40, eBay/marketplace motherboards wherever I can get them, I had one that had a bad battery when I started flipping and was like WTF on the one, now I replace the battery on everything, I buy 30 at a time now off Amazon when you buy them in bulk it’s like $19.99 for 30 of them. Again love your videos and you’ve helped me tremendously while getting back into pc building, it’s crazy flipping and I go through so many brands of motherboards.

[@ibizenco]

My first Ryzen CPU - in my latest gaming PC - was a Ryzen 5 1600 in an ASUS "Prime X370-A" motherboard. Thanks to ASUS and their BIOS upgrades, my gaming PC now has a Ryzen 7 5700X. Thank you, ASUS ☺ Ryzen 7 5700X ASUS "Prime X370-A" ASUS Geforce RTX 3070Ti 16 GB DDR4-RAM (3200 MHz) Kingston Fury RGB-RAM all in a (HUGE) Phanteks Enthoo Pro "Tempered Glass" case (with the original, no RGB case fans)

[@mikesunboxing]

that is a nice setup

[@jasonhenninger8220]

Since you know the RAM kits are by different suppliers, you definitely need to move them. Instead of samsung/sk/samsung/sk, switch to samsung in both A1/2 and sk in both B1/2

[@BigDrewski1000]

Adding 2 extra ram sticks in generally ok to do from 3600 MHz and slower. If the ram's been running at higher speeds you CAN, but not always, risk frying the memory controller, especially on a B450 board.

[@JohnDoe_75]

Funny I Did the exact same update just this week, just that I put the 5700x3D on a X570 Taichi, 16 to 32 GB and PSU went from 750 to 1000W just to be sure.

[@Rasukix]

do you take build requests regularly and what's the fee? :)

[@mikesunboxing]

if you are local and don't mind it being filmed. also we have 6 cats and a log burner, but we don't charge for builds

[@Rasukix]

@@mikesunboxing that's a lot of cats! xD

[@darthwiizius]

When I put a Zen 3 chip in my B450 Msi THawk Max board I had the exact same rated Patriot RAM as that. I could never get the XMP to work without constant blue screening. Turned out the issue was the base speed of the RAM, I swapped it out for 2 used sticks of Hyper X CL16 3200 with a base speed of 2407 which has worked with no issues. I recently bought 2 more used sticks of 2407 and double ranked my memory, despite being a different brand that my PCB couldn't even recognise the 4 sticks in dual channel rank they have worked flawlessly at 3200 CL16.

[@mikesunboxing]

ram can be a pain at times

[@darthwiizius]

@@mikesunboxing Can be a bit annoying on AM4 especially.

[@Captainshrapnel]

Nice one I was thinking about checking if my 16gb corsair vengeance 2400mhz could pair with my corsair vengeance 16gb 3200MHz and hopefully run 32gb at 2400mhz maybe

[@skullfist7885]

Mike I just bought this CPU and I'm waiting for it to arrive. There is a great 5700x3d undervolt tutorial by TechYesCity where the PBO speeds gets boosted due to lower voltage and temps. I can link the video if you can't find it 👍

[@mikesunboxing]

i have seen it, its a good video, but sometimes that much of an undervolt can introduce stability issues long term

[@skullfist7885]

@@mikesunboxing would you recommend against it? Or if instability occurs just increase the voltage in increments till everything stabilizes?

[@Edward-f5z]

Hi Mike, where did you get the dust cleaning gun?

[@mikesunboxing]

it was from colin hilton, via amazon kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3XGdJSDmq5mr6c

[@lorderectus1849]

Mike the flasher flashing his wrong bios!

[@mikesunboxing]

happens to the best of us

[@Iason4sNikolaou]

Awesome presentation. What would be the ideal choice about a CPU upgrade on an X470? Full specs follow, thank you so much, keep it up and +1. Ryzen 5 2600, NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1060 6GB, MSI X470 Gaming Pro, 2x8GB Corsair CMK16GX4M2Z3200C16 Vengeance LPX

[@mikesunboxing]

i would probably go with the 5700x3d and maybe a used 2070 or 2080

[@outsidein3206]

This is the upgrade path using the sam e specs im considering however I already have the ram part done @32GB *Note majority if not all motherboards should have an approved list of ram that has been tested to run on the particular motherboard. While other ram "may work" as it may just not have been tested with that motherboard for compatibility. Its highly advisable to use the ram that has been listed as tested and working fine with that motherboard, especially if you're ordering online as many stores, including physical ones, will not refund or swap to something that is compatible. Its not their fault you made a mistake, got what you asked for and its fully functional just no compatible. As pointed out its also critical to avoid issues that you don't just get the same brand and speed by the same memory chips type on that memory. The ram chips fluctuate in price over time and various brands will go with what is cheapest at the time but brand it the same. If you are unable to get the same brand and the same ram chip types on a ram, stick for upgrades to your existing ram, then find another brand with that same ram brand on its Hynix or Samsung for example and Ensure that they have the same memory timings. As while the new ram is not guaranteed to work, as it will work as it hasn't been tested as compatible and on the manufacturer's approved ram listings, it will reduce the potential for issues. This will give you the best outcomes % chance, if you're unable to source identical ram, to add to your existing ram.

[@mikesunboxing]

yep great points there

[@bringersbob]

had 2600x on B350, jumped to 5800x3d = ) (msi tomahawk[artic]) and a bios update naturally

[@mikesunboxing]

nice upgrade, bet you really noticed that

[@bringersbob]

@@mikesunboxing Oh yeh, my rtx 3070 started overheating as it hadn't been getting used properly with the 2600x, once I repasted that and changed the pads its been really game changing!

[@asdfqwerty-u9n]

If you got only 16 gb(2x8) ram one can mix it with 2x4 gb sticks - it does work ,mine are diffent brands ,differnt speeds - I did this because having 40+ webpages open in a webrowser or several and then gameing made the computer faster -No issues other than its most stable not at t lower ram speen 2900 but 2800 eg a jump down in ramspeed but i let the motherboard adjust to whatever settings it uses - One benefit from even the lower ramspeed a lot

[@mikesunboxing]

you can try but it likely will increase ram size but lower overall performance unless the memory chips and speeds are identical

[@skullfist7885]

After doing this would you recommend just buying 2 x 16gb and just replacing the ram altogether? I too upgraded to this CPU on a b450 Tomahawk Max. Just need a new GPU. From what I've seen there isn't minimal to gain from a b550 having newer gen pcie and m.2.

[@mikesunboxing]

yes replace the RAM it is much easier to get the full speed and also stability from using just 2 ram sticks. and the performance drop is about 0-5% depending on the game and the GPU, but keep in mind 5% can sometimes be the difference between to tiers of GPU so it sounds like not a lot i reality but in terms of the cost of the next gpu up the stack, that could almost be the same as the price of a new motherboard

[@skullfist7885]

@@mikesunboxing thanks Mike. Appreciate the response. 👍

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice video

[@mikesunboxing]

Thanks

[@matthewday7565]

There I was thinking "great, the RAM matches" - and then it doesn't... Did you try profile 2

[@mikesunboxing]

i didn't have the machine long enough to do much testing with it, i explained what was going on but he didn't care too much and just wanted to get gaming again

[@KhaiFirst]

upgrade my 4year old R5 5600x to R7 5700x3D today.. saw R7 sell for 160USD i guess is a good deal.

[@MobiusDude]

Question Mike: I'm on a 5700g still with 4070 gfx, 32gb Ram on the MSI b550 pro vdh WiFi mobo. Would I see much of an improvement in 1440p gaming with a 5700X3D CPU?.. Probably single core performance would go down but would the extra cache + PCIe 4.0 from PCIe 3.0 produce that much gain in gaming performance?

[@mikesunboxing]

that is a tough one, as the cpu speed itself is quite close, in games the extra PCIe lanes and being 4.0 rather than 3.0 will help. You should be able to sell the 5700g for good money and almost cover the cost of the 5700x3d so if you are going down that route it would make a lot of sense. If you cant get a good price for the 5700g then maybe not

[@MobiusDude]

Thanks Mike... I don't really want to sell the 5700g as eventually I'll upgrade to a newer platform & have a complete mobo CPU with gfx system as a 2nd PC. I just wasn't sure if I would see a worthwhile upgrade from 5700g to 5700X3D as I don't plan on upgrading any time soon. Hope the 5700g will keep my 4070 fps high enough till then. So far so good.

[@darkkingastos4369]

You should have moved the old sticks to the same channel. Mixing the RAM in the same channel could cause problems.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

Great video Mike, I am considering a similar update, I have a 3700X. But I am trying to resolve my DRAM issues first. It runs at 2133 and no matter what I have tried the XMP profile will NOT stick. If I set it in the BIOS it runs as 3200 great. But with 2 exceptions. BG3 crashes at that higher speed, and upon restarting the next day the memory sets back to 2133. Could it be a CMOS battery issue, or just dodgy RAM? Maybe someone can offer a suggestion. Reddit was unhelpful.

[@gezimlimoni2319]

Just jump to AM5, and keep the rest... that's what I did from 3700x to 7800x3d, you won't regret it!

[@mikesunboxing]

try one stick of ram only in slot two and see if it will do the xmp speeds, and then try the other stick in the same slot on its own. maybe one of them is weak or faulty

[@Jules_Diplopia]

@@mikesunboxing thanks, see I knew that you would have a practical solution. Will let you know.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

@@gezimlimoni2319 Granted. But that would entail considerable extra cost, new mobo, new ram, probably a new case to put it in, as I cannot be without a working PC.

[@techluvin7691]

Never use beta bios. They’re Beta for a reason.

[@mikesunboxing]

Not much choice really for older boards they don’t have the budget for the extra research to validate them

[@c4rnagEc4]

Memory FCKL need to be adjusted 1600 + Divider to equal + VOL for memory 1.35v to 1.5v(testing)+ Curve OPtimizer -20 + CPU VCore undervolt below 1.3V (testing) than some stable Hz will appear this is the minimum

[@tobyrichards]

Shouldn't RAM stick pairs go in slots 1 & 3 or 2 & 4? i.e. Hynix 1, & 3 - Samsung 2 & 4. Food for thought.

[@mikesunboxing]

that is right but the channels would still be mismatched, you want the slower of each stick in both channels

[@paullillico2310]

That boot delay when installing new amd CPU is definitely a squeaky bum moment 😂

[@mikesunboxing]

haha yeah gets me every time

[@jayprosser7349]

Put a used 3080 or new 4070 in it and call it a day. Or call it a Ryzen 4070

[@TheRaptorXX]

Mike, would this upgrade be possible on a B450M-A?

[@mikesunboxing]

yes but that board has a weaker VRM power delivery so it might not always run at the optimum level

[@TheRaptorXX]

@@mikesunboxing So it's probably better to not go there then?

[@mikesunboxing]

@@TheRaptorXX depends what you have now and what you are trying to achieve from the upgrade

[@TheRaptorXX]

@@mikesunboxing Well, my MB (obviously), same CPU as in the video, 32gb DDR4 and an ASUSTeK RTX 3060. It probably would be more hassle than it's worth for the improvement(s), dontchya think? I do like the sound of a 5700 but, like you say, the MB probably limits the upgrade really... Thanks for your advice anyway, I've got the video on 'Watch Later' in case I decide to take the plunge!! 👍👍👍

[@diysai]

​@TheRaptorXX I wouldn't recommend it for gaming at 60fps or below. You won't see any gains.

[@Ladioz]

18:46 I wonder why HW info wrote it down as 5700X instead of 5700X3D

[@mikesunboxing]

Might be an old version of hwmonitor that I installed years ago

[@hailahaiela]

Samsung rams are single rank and hynix ones are dual rank , may be thats the reason xmp not working?

[@mikesunboxing]

very possible, i did say to him before buying that adding to ram after a long time is not ideal as the ram chips will likley be different

[@hailahaiela]

@mikesunboxing then best route is sell 2x8gb and buy 2X16gb

[@neuronkilladnb]

i upgraded form 2700x to 5700x 2 years ago

[@STORIEDAMAAN]

My current build is R5 3600 2070 super oc 8gb 3200mhz 8gb x4 (32gb). Mobo tomahawk max b450. ---------------- Is it worth it for me to upgrade to r7 5700 X3D ? Would gpu bottleneck? Mainly play pubg, r6, apex, valo, fortnite. Video / photo editing here and there.

[@mikesunboxing]

the cpu would be a great upgrade with that setup

[@STORIEDAMAAN]

​Cool. Just got one for 179.99+tax. Usd. Thanks. I have the k3 bios. The latest for my tomahawk max b450. But this cpu needs 3 i. I have 3 k which is beta but the latest they offer. Shall I dial back to to the 3i? Or the 3k is fine? ​@mikesunboxing

[@jerry2times735]

Is it necessary to update the bios when upgrading to a new cpu when the current bios is compatible with the cpu you want to upgrade to?

[@mikesunboxing]

no it isn't necessary if the bios already supports the new cpu, unless you are looking to patch security issues or stability fixes

[@jerry2times735]

@@mikesunboxing Thanks Mike, the reason why I asked is I have the B550 Aorus elite ax v2 mobo. And I recently upgraded the cpu to the 5800x3d. And the cpu has been working fine with the first release version bios. But when I look at the versions that are available after the first release bios. They specifically say optimized performance for 5800x3d. I just wanted to know am I losing performance or missing features? Please can you answer Mike. Please your my only hope.

[@AnANas00-x3p]

​@@jerry2times735 You can update your bios and share some Benchmark numbers with us, so we know if they actually improved performance or not 😁

[@TheSuprahuman]

I'm still rocking my 5800X3D and I'll hold on to it for a few more years. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you go with 2 different RAM types and fill all the slots should you not fit them next to each other in pairs and not every other? Old RAM in A1A2 and new in B1B2 or vice versa. Cheers.

[@mikesunboxing]

really you should not mix and match ram at all, with the high perfomance these days, even a slight different can reduce overall performance or cause instability

[@TheSuprahuman]

@mikesunboxing I very much agree with that. It was just something I heard from Wendel @ Level1tech a while back. Keep up the good work mate 🍻

[@D.Feenstra]

I just ordered a 5700x3d on AliExpress for €109 incl tax. Pro tip for anyone in doubt

[@mikesunboxing]

post a link please

[@henrikdamgaard5706]

Will it make sense for an 5600x? Mainly gaming PC

[@mikesunboxing]

yes 5600x is pretty good, or the 5600x3d

[@lorderectus1849]

I’ve been thinking of upgrading my 3600 to a 5600 but sadly my shits in storage!

[@zackjarvis6503]

what tower cooler is that?

[@mikesunboxing]

arctic freezer a35 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnXNkpmrr8SajNU

[@zackjarvis6503]

@@mikesunboxing cheers

[@ivanmiller1977]

Hola, vale la pena pasar de un 5600x a un 5700x3d ??? Gracias, saludos y exitos !!!

[@mikesunboxing]

yes it will give the system a decent overall boost

[@alexbhoy3400]

Did almost exact same upgrade but with a B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC mobo. Latest beta bios update and now only have basic bios not Click Bios 5. tried older beta bios no joy wondering if its because its not a max board ?

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah might be because the bios chip is only 16mb not 32mb so hasn't got room for a nice GUI

[@theanglerfish]

Isn't that MB PCI-E gen 3? I don't think it matters much but still

[@mikesunboxing]

yes it is, but is is the best of the b450 boards

[@FilippoCarrux]

I would have upgraded from 3200 to 2x16 3600mhz. Ryzen 5000 scale a lot on ram speed.

[@mikesunboxing]

Yes but the tracks on b450 were not designed to go much beyond 3200 and be stable

[@philslaya]

Cant even find a 5800x3d to buy now only the 5700x3d 😢

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah the 6800x3d is end of life now and very rare and expensive

[@Helder_Paulo]

B450 is pci3.0, isnt a major botleneck to l this high end cpu and cpu?

[@mikesunboxing]

Yes it is a concern although the difference is usually about 5% or so with most cards

[@Helder_Paulo]

@@mikesunboxing time to upgrade my 1600af to an 5600x because I have an msi gaming x 5600xt.

[@santo351]

My mobo is a ab350 pro 4 is worth upgrade only cpu?

[@mikesunboxing]

yes might as well keep it going

[@santo351]

@@mikesunboxing ty

[@bigdaddywatt]

I just use MSI Centre to update the BIOS

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah that works but a small number of users have had the board bricked doing it that way, so i used a bit of caution as it wasn't my own board

[@bigdaddywatt]

@ i was bricking myself doing it lol

[@zeitgeistx5239]

lol I just did this days ago. 3600 to 5700x3d on a520i.

[@mikesunboxing]

quite an upgrade!

[@doityourself3293]

FPS----You should have disabled Windows memory compression and you forgot to enable 10bit TAG support in the bios. It would have run a lot faster.

[@mikesunboxing]

wasn't aware of any of that stuff you mentioned, i will look into it

[@PaoloAOR]

I keep getting the memory error message on win 11 on shutdown, it has done this on 2 separate builds with different parts. do you know what is causing it by any chance?

[@mikesunboxing]

what is the error message and error code? most likely a bad driver somewhere if the pc runs well except the error on shutdown

[@diysai]

How convenient to leave out gaming results

[@mikesunboxing]

i had the pc for less than a day so had to film what i could and i didn't have Dannys account details to login to his only game he plays so it would not have been very exciting for the benchmark junkies

[@radeksparowski7174]

long story short with a big enough hammer everything is possible

[@mikesunboxing]

haha yes verey true

[@tomquimby8669]

carbonaut is less messy

[@mikesunboxing]

don't think i have ever used it

[@d3vox576]

Hey man i have the b450m-ds3h and i have ryzen 5 3600 i would like to update to ryzen 7 5700x3d will it be possible

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah that should be fine, just make sure to update the bios first

[@d3vox576]

​@@mikesunboxingthanks a lot

[@deanpartridge9545]

Hi mike are you in Bristol. If so just wondering if you could just check my sons computer over I just built him make sure it's all running correctly. I'm only in Newport 😊

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah that sounds possible

[@deanpartridge9545]

@mikesunboxing brilliant trying to find you on Google to give you a ring and book it in. But I can't find you lol. Have you got a shop or company name Mike 😊

[@kaisersolo76]

Great processor, but i would seriously get a b550 is a better made board, thicker and PCIE 4.0 and will last you longer - there no reason to get a B450 . And 16gb doesn't cut it these days with newer games, and DDR$ kits are as cheap as chips these days.

[@mikesunboxing]

i think that be be the next upgrade on the list, or maybe a new gpu

[@ArnySteinwand]

Dirty slot???

[@freespeechdead8670]

wooow i never thought of that problem on the ram . makes me realize i got lucky lol

[@mikesunboxing]

yeah it is more common an issue on AM5 platform but AM4 also can have issues