Still THE BEST Ergonomic Mouse!! Logitech MX Ergo vs MX Vertical - Comparison Review

[@angelcakepi]

Reminder to anyone watching the title is edited. The video was released January of 2019.

[@remi82]

wow he even did it for 2024, wouldnt have realized if it wasnt for your comment

[@philrubio3567]

Thanks for reviewing these both together. Though they're both pricey, some people may need both of these (particularly pro designers). One is great for design (MX Vertical), the other is better for things that require less hand movement that can be facilitated by a trackball (the Ergo). A pro might need both if they want to prevent pain in their hand, wrist, and arm. At least I've found that to be the case for me after researching these two over the last few days. I feel they're both different experiences. I'm a designer, so I'm at my desktop designing most of the time, moving and dragging pixels across the screen. I don't like Waycom tablets because they're not practical for much other than illustration. I prefer a mouse that allows me to move and mimic drawing when needed (icons, illustrations, photo compositing, painting, etc). But on the other hand, if Im just browsing the web and don't need to mimic drawing gestures and just need to type (cursor adjustments, highlighting text) I'm using the Ergo with the trackball so that my hand and wrist don't move (mostly use the Ergo at home). BOTH save my hand/wrist from strain.

[@DoPeTz]

As a UX/UI Designer, I FEEL THIS. I just bought the MX Vertical, but now I really think I need the Ergo as well after seeing this video and NOW seeing your comment. Definitely, was thinking the same when clocking out just grab the ergo.

[@archietech89]

Im Architect, i buy the ergo , but thinking in buy the vertical TOo, do you recommend for my bones pain using both switching, or try to get used only ergo?

[@DNA9600]

@@archietech89 The trackball helps you select objects more accurately, but does this make you select things more slowly?

[@shadowalk]

I am a graphic designer by profession. This video and a bunch of other articles and whatnot on the web helped me with my decision in ordering the MX Ergo Trackball. Thanks, mate!

[@AsbjrnHoffskov]

Also, what I find as an advantage for trackballs in an office setting is that you can actually place it between yourself and the keyboard, giving a more natural position for your shoulder ... but again, I'm one of those crazy people using an ergonomic keyboard....

[@kyjo72682]

FYI: You can *side-scroll using Shift + Scroll...*

[@choo_choo_]

I've been using a trackball of the same form-factor for a good few years and it doesn't help the pain, just moves it somewhere else. Notably, right at the base of the thumb where it connects to the wrist. It's not any less impact than playing with a game controller for hours straight. Tips of the fingers start to go numb too after clicking a good bit, especially clicking the mmb.

[@charleneestabaya]

I've been using the MX Vertical Mouse for almost 4 months now and definitely agree with: 1. Battery life great - this is nice for anyone who is a graphic designer or does architecture works like me for a long period of hours in a day AND who don't pay attention too much on charging it 2. Wrist Issue - it helped me a lot to reduce the pain I had on my wrist but I'd say it's not just about the mouse that you use. If you're like me who sits in front of a computer for a long period of time it's the proper exercise that will help you. 3. It feels cheap and hollow on my hand but it is very comfortable and it made me more productive with my work. Other than that, Great review Mike Wat!

[@RonWarnerBubbleKing]

Care to elaborate on what the proper exercise is?

[@watercolour]

I got the Logitech MX Vertical mouse too, I think a better way to hold it is to let your pinky finger (and the under side of your palm) rest on the desk, use your pinky as a ground support and move your mouse with other fingers, you will have much better time controlling it this way. ( as oppose to grabbing the entire mouse with your hand at 3:15) I found the MX Vertical mouse very comfortable, if know how to adjust your body to make the best use of this design ~

[@samfisher9229]

I purchased the MX Vertical after buying a lot of chinese and perixx vertical mouses, and now i know what is really a true vertical mouse with the MX Vertical, I simply love it! For me, MX Vertical is the best vertical mouse ever made. I think you are wrong with what you say about the pinky finger, is not supported because you need it as every other mouse to raise up the whole mouse when you reach the limits of your mat. I hate all the other vertical mouse that have a thing to rest your pinky finger, you cant raise up the mouse without doing extreme force, and even sometimes the mouse falls to the mat as a rock.

[@MrBiky]

You can scroll side-ways by pressing Shift+scroll wheel. Try it in a spreadsheet or web page.

[@aboucher0319]

Yeah. The bigger issue with me for the Vertical would be missing the infinite scroll. Now that I've been using that for a while, I'm not looking forward to missing it if I get the vertical. It might be worth it, though.

[@kloakovalimonada]

After some time, you'll be so quick and precise with the trackball you'll be gaming and graphic designing with it like a pro. It's definitely a thing.

[@timphillips3873]

Man, I REALLY wanted the trackball to the the solution or me (CAD work / 3D design)- but I just couldn't get used to it. If it were just normal computer work, it would definitely be suitable, for me at least.

[@hmmm4989]

better than a regular mouse?

[@kloakovalimonada]

@@hmmm4989 better in what? Comfort? Definitely. Speed? On par. Precise control? Requires some training but definitely possible. I have all sorts of peripherals (Wacom, trackball, good mouse and trackpad) and a wireless Logitech trackball is my weapon of choice most of the time.

[@hmmm4989]

@@kloakovalimonada Nice. When I got my trackball mouse I did pretty good with it. But I kept asking myself, "Would I do better with a regular mouse?". Also one more thing, the trackball good for quick-turning? Like 180 degrees? If so, what's the best way?

[@hmmm4989]

@@kloakovalimonada _erm, you haven't replied for a day. But hey that's normal_

[@einerpaz8666]

Great review. I bought the MX ergo and fell in love with it. Can't see myself going back to a sensore mouse any time soon.

[@Pedrinho2.10]

Thanks, Mike. When you select part of the screen for capture on a Mac, holding the space bar will let you adjust the upper left corner of the selection.

[@time1187]

2:47 The bone at the edge of your palm is resting on while using mouse is known as pisiform carpal..

[@olgapajic7664]

I just picked up the MX Vertical. The moment I used it I realized that this will be an issue. I will be returning it tomorrow.

[@time1187]

Olga Pajic Get the MX Ergo instead..you might want to but the Plus version as the price is same with standard version. If you dont like the wedge that c/w with the Plus version, you still can keep it and use later. Cant do that with the standard version.

[@WinPPham]

@@olgapajic7664 Same thing! Using it right now as we speak, and I already feel the friction....

[@MikeWat]

🔥 Check out my 2020 Ultimate Desk Setup Tour ➡ kzbin.info/www/bejne/op_UoqWhoZyUjcU

[@philrubio3567]

Hey Mike thanks for reviewing these. Did you end up keeping both? Or did you only go with the Ergo. I left a comment on my experience with these. I needed something to help relieve strain on my wrist and arm.

[@DoPeTz]

Great review man.

[@JulOyt]

This is titled Best of 2022 but you uploaded this in 2019. Who do you think you are huh? Nostradamus??

[@lavablock1999]

great video, but might want to brighten up the lights on yourself. kind of felt like i was being happily interrogated haha, great video!

[@MikeWat]

LOL! This made me smile, I'll definitely try to improve on my lighting, thanks!!

[@eazyrat]

yeah had to turn my brightness up

[@Nayah9]

@@MikeWat I gotta say watching this at night (as I usually do when I watch these kinds of videos), I appreciate the dark theme here. It also creates an atmosphere that distinguishes itself from the usual overly bright videos found all over KZbin. Loving the vibe! Great video with well explained and relate-able information! :)

[@valk_real]

@@MikeWat haha @Lavablock's comment is hilarious! I'd recommend going for a light front left and right behind the camera (from my perspective), the top-down light makes shadows on your face that are scary If you really want to look scary put a light underneath pointing up at your face :D Your setup in the background looks awesome

[@WetDoggo]

Yes a stop brighter lightens the mood a lot... Maybe even 2

[@dena81]

Love that people are reviewing ergo mice! I'm so excited to see a new trackball as I need minimal movement of my wrist to keep my carpal tunnel from flaring. Definitely putting the mx ergo plus on my to buy list

[@MikeWat]

I'm still using it today, the BEST ergo mouse on the market!!

[@daveX81]

@@MikeWat One thing what could be important as well. The Logitech Ergo doesn't support 3 devices with Logitech Flow. For some people maybe not a big deal but for me its important because the main reason i use logitech products is this feature. The MX Vertical is supporting all 3 devices like any other Logitech product with "Flow" Support. Its really sad you can use the Ergo just with 2 devices.

[@bomcabedal]

I've used trackballs since around 1990 (granps talking). They used to be pretty horrible. The MX Ergo is by far, far, the best trackball I've EVER used. Its predecessor (M570) wasn't bad (and more hackable) but the programmability adds a new layer of functionality that makes my life much easier. And the comfort is just awesome.

[@Stevenbellisle]

I agree. I started using a trackman about 1990 and later switched to the M570. The M570 is super comfortable for long gaming sessions (12 hours per day). The big problem is the switches go bad quickly.

[@bomcabedal]

@@Stevenbellisle Yeah, mine have all died, went through four or five. The Ergo is still going strong after a year and a half, though, as tight as the day I bought it.

[@travislohmann5405]

Been using the MX Ergo for the past 2 months. Really loving it. It took a good 2-3 weeks for me to personally get used to it, but boy.... it's something.

[@MikeWat]

haha, I could never go back to a normal after using the ergo :)

[@erichernandez744]

This is exactly what I was looking for thank you!

[@L0ck5m1th]

Thanks for the review. Helped me decide against trackball.

[@ronaldlam3816]

YO! I totally didn't know my completely different mouse had a side scroll button. Excel will never be the same.... Mind blown.

[@arielspalter7425]

Great review, one of the best I’ve seen on the MX Argo. My advice for future reviews is to drop the annoying music in the background. Why is it needed in a tech review?

[@daveX81]

Thank you your video helped a lot to decide for a new mouse. I have tendonitis and have already the MX Ergo at work. I thought about the vertical because for private use because sometimes i play a little bit games with it but now im sure i will get the Ergo and keep my MX Master if i really need it for non-work tasks.

[@nickokun9382]

Thanks for the super helpful review :)

[@auroranamex5886]

So I want to tell you guys a couple of things about this fabulous ergo mx thing. I think I've been using it for like maybe 16 hours ( not in a row, ofc. It was 3 or 4 sessions, I believe) and I'm ready with my second inmpression. First of all, it's big and for me, personally, it turns each and every scroll wheel spin into a little painful wrist bending. Not good. I also have to stretch my thumb a bit to control the ball. Buttons are hard to reach and pretty tight (more that enough for sure, especially if you want that hold an additional button and get a free scroll functionality. Had to use 3rd paty software to get toggle an additional button to vector scroll, as holding it was tight) Rubber body makes hand sweaty and sticky a bit, affects position swiching. My conclusion would be that this device is good, but nothing that big there. Not satisfied. Thinking abaout retutrning it. And yes, that logi software to me was buggy af. Hope you'll be more lucky than I with this one.

[@reddwarfhead]

Your video convinced me to give MX Ergo a try 🙌 For me the selling point was that you can adjust its angle

[@kerrinewnham9246]

Great and comprehensive review! You have clarified really well the differences and I feel confident the ergo will be the better option for me! Fantastic!

[@Vikramt08]

Nice review out there! You tried to explain minute things such as usability with pinky finger which matter on long term use.

[@zenmoto369]

You can use the ERGO mouse wired, mini USB supports data transfer, just make sure you are using the right cable. I've lost the receiver of my G700s ages ago and to this day I use it wired. The down side is Logitech's software doesn't detect it, so you can't customise it.

[@agente180]

Smart and concise analysis. Thanks.

[@nilomanalo]

Thank you for your advice/review! I went to BestBuy to test the feel and I went for Ergo.

[@seongmoon6483]

Awesome review! I bought both and ended up returning the ergo one because the thumb usage felt like more pain to me. One of the few times I will disagree with you but amazing how this was the video I was exactly looking for

[@MikeWat]

Dang I guess it ain't for everyone - I'm still using the ergo today! I guess there's some stress in learning the thumb movement in the first few days :P Check out the MX Masters though!

[@hattieharrigermason2592]

@@MikeWat You did a very good job providing a review. Persons with CMC joint arthritis (may not be able to tolerate the track ball. (CMC-carpometacarpal joint or thumb basal joint) Many people using a mouse all day irritate and inflame from age and could be over use. Predominant in women. Yet many men are affected as well with this type of thumb pain. The wonderful triangular bone at base of thumb becomes inflamed. So in essence, those folks may not be able to use the lovely trackball.

[@stapp89]

@@hattieharrigermason2592 yes thats what is wrong with my thumb!

[@roundisle]

@@stapp89 Thanjs for your comment. I feel your pain! I prefer a trackball. But, it’s now starting to cause irritation. Thinking of trying the very flat apple type mouse. Argh. Much prefer track ball.

[@spitrat202]

I got the ergo because of horrible arthritis in my pointer and middle fingers. It was fine for a while but now my thumb is starting to hurt, a lot. Looking for an alternative if anyone has any.

[@AmandaGeyerSnobahr]

I've been using trackballs since the late 80s, even to the point of bringing my own trackball to job-sites when I was a temp doing data entry. When Microsoft stopped producing the trackball I'd been using for over a decade, I literally, I [feces] thee not, cried. At that point, Logitech was producing equipment that was sufficiently durable for my needs, and I switched. Now, I've been using the M570 for... at least 10 years, and have been contemplating upgrading. This video has convinced me to take a look at the Ergo, especially for the rechargeable battery aspect of it, and the variable angle. Thank you for posting this review. I don't think I would have found out about the Ergo otherwise, as I generally just buy my mice on Amazon because I know which mouse I want and don't give a [poop] about competing products.

[@MikeWat]

I'm very glad the video has brought you back to the trackballs Amanda 👍😋Thanks for sharing your story, I can relate to the feeling when Microsoft stopped making the trackball mices xD

[@AmandaGeyerSnobahr]

@@MikeWat I never left trackballs. On my 3rd Logitech M570 (from 2011, according to my Amazon orders records) :D I'm not fond of rolling-around-the-desk mice. :D

[@slicerabbit6166]

On horizontal scrolling, if you're on macOS (i don't know whether this applies to Windows or Linux), you can hold down shift while scrolling to scroll horizontally 🧠

[@queeniebee237]

I am going to give the track ball a go... I don't think I would have without this video

[@MikeWat]

Glad I helped!

[@toe247]

Awesome review. Really informative!

[@claudiadeavila5768]

This is a great video.! Thanks for sharing.! Question: I have lenovo lap top and lenovo keyboard, do you know if Logitech Ergo Mouse is compatible with them?

[@duncancoltharp9160]

Great comparison. Thanks.

[@omegapetrazzini2938]

Very good review man, thank you

[@torischmidling]

One thing I love about the ergo is that I have a glass desk and I don't need any type of mousepad or anything to be able to use the mouse. I also love the trackball rather than just a standard mouse.

[@rivugghio]

Fantastic review!

[@justaskforbobdesign]

Great review

[@fanni339]

your video is great and it took me out of the fix to decide which one to go,,,,After watching your video its clear that i should go Trackball mouse due to my wrist pain else i was about to order the vertical one,,,thanks for saving my time and few bucks...

[@MikeWat]

You are welcome, glad to have helped! :) I'm still using the MX ergo today

[@WinPPham]

Very thoughtful and thorough! Thank you!!

[@MikeWat]

You are so welcome!

[@WinPPham]

@@MikeWat I've got my hands on both of them, just to try out. Mike, you were absolutely right about the MX Vertical being such a DRAG on the lower part of the hand and the slippery pinky!

[@stevezwonitzer9733]

Awesome review, thank you so much. I'm buying the MX Ergo!

[@JoeArog14]

Thanks for mentioning the buttons. Very few other sources mention them.

[@My.Lifes.Journey]

Oh my gosh! I won! Thanks MW! I Literally liked before watching and also planned to stop by Best Buy tomorrow to check out both of the mouse's! Thank you! (Edit) you're on your way to 1M subs in no time!

[@MikeWat]

Woo! I'm glad I'm making content that's relevant & valuable to you haha - thanks Myla!

[@RyanSaplanPT]

Thanks! been having some tennis elbow and was deciding to get the vertical mouse, but didn't consider mx ergo. So i went and bought the ergo.

[@vandersteentim]

Im having a tennis elbow myself. How did it work out for you?

[@RyanSaplanPT]

@@vandersteentim I worked slower with it and stopped using the track ball. I went back to a normal mouse and it and my tennis elbow hasn't returned, but my work has changed where I don't use a mouse as much as I use to. However, if it starts to bother me again, or I feel it possibly coming back (by feelings of lateral tendon tightness), I'll use it. I believe the big issue that causes lateral elbow pain is small reptivie radial deviation and ulnar deviation

[@iiiiii2828]

Great video! I just got an MX Vertical today and noticed that when I am gripping the mouse, it causes more strain for carpal tunnel because you almost have to squeeze the mouse by bringing the thumb in to a handshake grip. Did you feel the same way? After watching this video, I think I will exchange for an MX Ergo so it is more of an "open palm" grip. My main concern is eliminating wrist pain.

[@iiiiii2828]

Or even the MX Master?

[@simonloreykjrsgaard2619]

I think you're either using the mouse wrong, or your hand is not big enough then. Your meant to just slide yoir hand ind and move it around. I never grip mine and feel so much less strain, than if I'm using any other mouse. I also don't use my wrist to move the mouse, but more so my whole arm. That way, I relaxe more, and feel more confident in my precision with it. Hope it helps you a little.

[@chrystianyaxche5381]

totally agree, what I did was glue a ball of Styrofoam (previously cut and adapted). I did it to have more grip and I glued it with double-sided tape, this does not affect or damage the mouse and it feels like you are holding a ball with your hand at rest on the table.

[@Nick-uf1ty]

Another banger! Keep it up :p

[@MikeWat]

Thanks Nick!! Remember to email me for the gift card! :)

[@ShawnJonesHellion]

Everyone talking about hand an wrist an I developed shoulder problems 😅. BTW the hand angle does change the rotator cuff position to more natural

[@franprarod]

MX Vertical looked to me just like a common mouse but inclined. But MX Ergo really looks a good idea when we are aiming for comfort - it's just what I'm looking for. Thank you for the video.

[@sirkilluminati9880]

Not satisfied with the Ergo at all. not comfortable. the tilt doesn't go that high. the ball feels lose and weak. I hat the lags when scrolling and clicking if connected via Bluetooth. button next to the ball is funky can press it conveniently same with the back and forth buttons. I really wanted to love it.

[@RealButcher]

​@@sirkilluminati9880Try the Evoluent D medium. Great vertical mouse. Very vertical.

[@miguelg4006]

Good Review. Thank you!

[@argmax11]

Just bought the MX Ergo because of this video. Looking forwards to see how it can improve my current wrist pain

[@horsens77]

Would you recommend it?

[@Nickabod79]

Ergo MX Plus trackball saved my career. I feel like I should stockpile extras. It works really well with the beater Chromebook I use for travel even though it's not specifically listed as ChromeOS compatible.

[@neonix01]

Apparently the thumb based trackball mice are not as ergonomic as you might think, they can cause "gamer thumb" very easily. The best trackball mice have a big trackball in the middle, that you control with 2-3 fingers (finger operated trackball). Kensington has a lot of these, as does many other brands like Elecom, GameBall, etc. I would also like to add that touchpads are a good alternative. I use Apple's Magic Touchpad on my Windows PC (there are drivers available that make it work), and I don't even have to "click" at all, you can simply double-tap without pushing a single button, and the various gestures keeps your arm and fingers in motion, which promotes healthy circulation of the joints and small muscles.

[@jeansandmyshirt]

your video made me decide to buy the ergo trackball. thanks!

[@MikeWat]

Very glad the vid helped :)

[@Okand2]

You don't need a keyboard to map the button on top of the mx vertical to scrolling. Just select "Gesture button" and either "pan" or custom and map the directions to the scroll actions depending on what you need.

[@jomac_ph]

great review! just what i needed, sold both on the mouse and your k810

[@rakavatar1086]

It would be great hear how it compares to MX master 3.

[@13Mitzou]

Awesome video!! Great and thorough information on both mice. I work in the 3D software Maya and have to do a lot of middle mouse button clicks constantly all day long. Which mouse in your opinion uses the least effort to click the middle mouse button?

[@renatofrota]

Both are very good in this aspect. Maybe MX Vertical is a little better. Using the Ergo, when your hand is "resting" completely on the mouse (off the desk), the scroll is located more at your finger's second phalanx (intermediate phalanx), making the repeated middle clicking a bit unconfortable. For the scroll to be "more clicky" - under your finger's 1st phalanx (distal phalanx) - you need to pull down the hand a bit off the mouse (putting the pisiform carpal bone at the desk as mentioned at 2:47 in this video) - which is how more people tend to use the mouse anyway, but you can feel even more the benefits of this mouse by getting used to rest the hand completely over it.

[@bobbrandt5112]

Hi MIke! Worried about the click issues with the vertical, and thinking the trackball will be hard to get used to. Do you think the max 3 is a good ergonomic mouse? I've had wrist pain....and am completely redoing my desk set-up with a stand.sit desk and keyboard tray to get a better position. Question...will the max 3 be a decent ergonomic mouse for me?

[@kct1562]

I recently bought the mx Ergo trackball just last week. Took a a day to get used to since i am used to using a mouse. After that, it is became natural to use. My wrist pain is gone and using the trackball is actually fun!

[@MikeWat]

the new mx master 3 will be a good choice for you! :)

[@A1lex1977]

Super review Mike! What settings are you using for accuracy and speed etc? I find it a bit to sensitive at default speed but don't want to loose on speed and movement.

[@MikeWat]

Just a bit below the middle :)

[@BinaryBitesG]

why does it say best in 2022? and uploaded 2019.

[@joseroblesv]

Hi! I have had the Logitech MX vertical for a few months and I have started to develop some pain close to the thumb! I think the grip is really big for my small hands and it is causing it. Do you think I would benefit from switching to MX ergo?

[@xkawaiiloverrx3]

try getting a 3m mousepad with gel wrist rest!

[@CoachHelder]

Thanks for the help, great tutorial!

[@damlasay2981]

I am architect I still can't choose between two. Which one you suggest?

[@ara_now]

Haha you made me buy an ergo! 😆and I am going for mx! Great review!

[@MikeWat]

Glad it helped!! :)

[@alexiskruguer8286]

In the vertical position with the ergomouse, do you feel the same pression con your palm that you said with the vertical mouse?

[@paul.inglsmit]

Thx for the review. I've just canceled the order of the MX Vertical and ordered MX Ergo )

[@RightWithGodMinistries]

what watch is that my man?

[@SergioFilho]

Don’t you think that relying on a thumb movement on Mx ergo could hurt your tendon after a long time using?

[@The_Eno]

Yes for sure. Plus you move the mouse more as its not as accurate. That's why i recommend Vertical with Right hand RSI splint.

[@aggie1871]

Ace what is an rsi splint?

[@AY-zf6zb]

I'm getting a trackball to try. I have developed super bad habits in keeping my entire right arm tensed up while mousing around. It's causing huge shoulder and neck problems, so much so I started mousing with my left hand (and I am not very good at using the left hand). @Choo choo mentions below my one concern with the trackball - the thumb joint.

[@johnosterman494]

Been using the M570 for years at work! Might be making a home office. If so, I'll be upgrading! I hate using a normal mouse these days. So used to the ball.

[@Kirito_Kirigaya_2023]

i think you got convinced me with the 2 o 3 times you said you loved the MX Ergo... and the the part "it's damn comfortable"

[@owascoshaw]

I'm still torn, but I really really liked your review

[@TechJungle]

I may give the trackball a go. Good review!

[@MikeWat]

Thanks! The trackball is defs worth trying out :)

[@MelvilleG]

Thanks for the review. Personally, I've been using Kensington Slimblade for over a year and sold it. A very precise trackball, but really slow in Blender or in any shooter game. Operations like dragging or holding and dragging with a middle click were a pain. I wonder if it's equally inconvenient with MX ergo?

[@clairlam4041]

I needed this!! My wrist always hurts with my current mouse!

[@weirdnotes]

did it work for you?

[@hanisa50]

I guess 2021 was 2 years ago.

[@MikeWat]

still the best in 2021 ;)

[@kevc6115]

Thanks. Good review. I have the M570 trackball and was flirting with switching to a vertical. After watching this and thinking about it, I realised just how much I love my trackball and the associated ergonomics. Love the addition of the adjustable plain. So am going with Ergo. Question: I have a spare Logitech unifying receiver. Can I use both, 1 for PC 1 for laptop etc?

[@edyraper]

tip: The video is a bit dark.

[@superelodj]

It's called, "dark mode."

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

If the Vertical mouse drops in price then I'm definitely getting it.

[@sudanjackson]

I say this with the utmost respect for what you do: "mouses"? The plural is "mice". Everyone else gave you the tip with the lighting, so I think it's also important to getting the verbal parts right ;-)

[@MikeWat]

You got that right ;) Thanks for the feedback !

[@jvinsnes]

Will be getting the MX vertical

[@lakasangolkert3086]

Great Review! Just a good advice, please set a little bit more light on the forescene, it is too dark. The background is OK, but viewers can not see the item you are talking about. Btw I will go for the Ergo after your Review. Thanks!

[@ashleymondragon9459]

quiero saber si uso mal el mouse debido a que ya llevo 2 años con el y hace 3 meses he venido desarrollando un dolor en la muñeca, nose si el mouse es muy pesado o yo lo agarro mal de modo q levanto la muñeca, pero siento que debido al alce de muñeca desarrolle el tendonitis que tengo :(

[@Cons2911]

For the ergo, do you need to install the software? Is it also Logitech options?

[@brennanbien9072]

I didn’t believe in ergonomic mice until I started editing an hour per day. Holy cow did my wrist start to hurt.

[@pockerito]

Thanks, very clear !!

[@drmgnmlk2]

Exactly! For big hands its very discomfortable for the figer

[@Sundurke]

Hey Mike, What keyboard is that? :D

[@王-i9v]

edited title for DISCONTINUED products. lame....

[@DamienSawyer]

I've had an MX Vertical for just under two years. The left button is failing, effectively making it impossible to click and drag. The buttons feel pretty cheep and so whilst it's really disappointing, it's not really a surprise it failed so early.

[@POISON_IVWY]

Didn’t we get rid of the trackball like 20 years ago?

[@Kubosos87]

5:10 I always looked for a new mouse with tilt-scroll wheel... But in the end it is also ok to scroll normally with pressed Shift key. Works in spreadsheets, graphic editors, web, everywhere. Of course program tilt move for some action in Logi Options is different story.

[@jcmichaelw]

This was a great review of the two options. A few years ago when I was working in an office, I requested a trackball mouse because I was having a lot of pain in my wrist. They gave me a wired Logitech Trackman Wheel mouse. It took only a couple of days of using it and I was hooked. The stress on my wrist & forearm reduced down to nearly nothing. Now that I work from I still use this mouse for my office work. My only problem is that now I want to clean up the look of my desk since I don't have a dedicated office space separate from my living space. I'm definitely going to add the Logitech MX Ergo Trackball mouse onto my shopping list. Now to find a wireless ergonomic keyboard that I really like.

[@RealButcher]

But why does Logitech say that their vertical mouse is not usable for gaming? Btw, I have the Evoluent D Medium.

[@jackdanyal4329]

you don't need ergo mouse at all. if your arms hurt, then it's the signal, that you need some rest. just stop working for 5-10 min and do some basic stretches. that's all