Miles Davis angry at Herbie Hancock

Don't mess with Miles while he is improvising!
This excerpt is extracted from minute 40:44 of the "Miles Davis Quintet Live at Teatro dell'Arte in Milan, Italy on October 11, 1964".
Original link: • Miles Davis Quintet Li...

[@mohdrizaramlee]

Bassist like, "I'm gonna avoid eye contact with Miles & start admiring the beautiful wood grain lines on my double bass instead..."

[@invisibility-wy3vs]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 stop nigga!!!! My ribs hurt from that comment!!!!

[@isaacsampson8152]

Hilarious 😂

[@isaacsampson8152]

The drummer’s eyes was also like , he’s gonna gossip behind the bands back

[@grrg1963]

Ron Carter

[@AstralCorona]

The drummer had a look of what just happened and the bassist looked at the drummer before looking at the bass , like I don't know man

[@smctrout4423]

Hancock on keys, Ron Carter on bass, Tony Williams on drums, Wayne Shorter on sax. What a band!

[@tomitiustritus6672]

Wayne Shorter, cousin to the famous Ian Longer.

[@GiggleSharts]

@@tomitiustritus6672 broo 💀

[@zacharyjohnson9562]

This gotta be top 5 best set of musicians together right there.

[@furious8191]

@@zacharyjohnson9562 it would be miles davis,, charlie parker, charles mingus, herbie hancock , and art blakey(art blakey is arguable

[@jazz_bass_lick]

@@furious8191you forgot coltrane, although idk if he would be into this kind of music

[@jwallah346]

I think Miles was mad because Herbie completed his sentence so perfectly. It's like Miles is telling a joke and then Herbie blurts out the punchline in perfect timing.

[@jemimallah2591]

spot on

[@montyryan3018]

Just imagine how pissed off Miles would’ve been at John Coltrane after taking one of his riffs

[@jamesonrichards5105]

Perfect analogy

[@ryanzarmbinski7446]

I'm definitely guilty of doing that 😓

[@Mattteus]

True. They were running on different speeds

[@theoamoretti1174]

(jazz music stops)

[@hqelias]

Beautiful comment

[@IvanPolyansky]

a comment for your soul.

[@ymbertbonaventuredickens8878]

this comment is pure glory

[@555tonyleon]

thank you

[@sk98ification]

I laughed so fucking hard at this comment thank you!

[@johnalbert2102]

"Yo Miles, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but..."

[@240dbprisms5]

exactly

[@cli260]

Herbie did it for Beyonce

[@gato0082]

😂🙄🤔😂😂

[@madamefeast4824]

Haha

[@jeremypayne5078]

BUT BEYONCE HAD THE BEST VIDEO OF ALL TIME

[@icebear326]

Miles Davis: gets frustrated with Herbie Hancock for cutting his solo off Herbie Hancock: 'So What'

[@bellesuot]

BAHAHAHA I LIKE THAT

[@joashchechet1675]

He was like "and I'll do it again"

[@devnautiyal9007]

bladee

[@stringsnare]

LOL that totally makes sense

[@WhizMitchell]

Hahaa good one!

[@kemchobhenchod]

I love how they're arguing using instruments as their voices like they do in old cartoons

[@primtones]

Excellent observation!

[@gold-in-melanin7488]

😂😂😂😂

[@Ocidad]

just like "don't starve"

[@A2Z83]

we fight with jazz

[@MightyYoungSir]

i love how yt deletes comments so the prc can use english wrong

[@icecreamforcrowhurst]

Ron Carter’s like “I’m just gonna keep walkin’”

[@effemeseyevee901]

He almost hides his face in his ' neck'

[@pjp967]

More like" I better keep walking

[@nicksmith9530]

It's the bassist way. Just keep going and watch the drama unfold around you.

[@int3533]

🤣🤣🤣

[@bigjoocy]

This guy bout to start running, shit

[@Armafly]

The drummer face was fantastic😄. He was trying to remember where the emergency exit was located.

[@richardbrophy4120]

looked to me the bass playah was tinkin da same ting massah !

[@keshoasubuhi]

Unbelievable, I was just about to post that, looked down the comments and found you had beaten me to it by 2 years !! 🤣

[@invisibility-wy3vs]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheBadBuffalo]

Put some respect on Tony Williams name

[@trumpetmusic5672]

Notice that Miles doesn't take the trumpet off his lips until Herbie cuts him off. He wasn't finished with his line and that's why he was so pissed.

[@mufasers]

That’s what I thought as well!

[@a-love-supreme]

thats the most reasonable thing in this thread ive seen good explanation

[@christheiss4511]

Yep. Herbie stole the rest of his line in Miles' mind.

[@isaacortegacortes5394]

He was never finished, that's the big trouble. In fact he had issues with Thelonious Monk over similar stuff

[@eganfuego]

Yeah dude at the back looked over like "Herbie you done messed up now."

[@ianedwardmusic379]

I’ve never seen so many people go into such detail and come up with essays about the purpose of Miles Davis staring off to the side for 2 seconds

[@profd65]

It's because Miles was a chronic prick; it's not like this was the one time he gave somebody a dirty look.

[@ZackZack-ib8qx]

@HNTR KLLR jeez, were you having a bad day or something?

[@ZackZack-ib8qx]

@HNTR KLLR Ouch you hurt my feelings with that original joke 😢😢😔😤

[@ZackZack-ib8qx]

@HNTR KLLR ABRA KADABRA

[@meuboui]

@HNTR KLLR ALLAH AKBAR !

[@musicnfilm3372]

Lmao and Herbie just banged out another three notes like "YEA I did that and I'll do it again"

[@jemimallah2591]

he really should just have continued to fuck with him for the rest of the solo but that might have got him fired

[@skoto8219]

@@jemimallah2591 this would be my instinct which is why I’m not a great ensemble player

[@ernestkovach3305]

Herbie still alive right?

[@KevinFrazer21]

Banged is right! 😂😂😂 Herbie really gave 0 fucks 😭😭

[@someonesomeone7423]

@@ernestkovach3305 yeah

[@comradecthulhu6052]

Top ten anime betrayals of 1964.

[@davisginn1298]

Comrade Cthulhu 😂

[@Silverlml]

Operation Snake Eater is at #1.

[@Nuxunumo]

bruh I'm done LOL

[@laminesiresane8526]

@@Silverlml your comment deserves way more likes

[@davidbreuer7446]

@@Silverlml never thought I'd see such a fine reference in the comments of a quite especific video, thanks

[@UkuleleAversion]

Speaking from a jazz piano perspective, I absolutely adore Herbie's comping (jazz lingo for "accompanying")- even in this short excerpt- however Miles Davis was infamous for having very strict artistic goals with each of his ensembles. In this period of his career (1964-1968) his approach to improvisation became much freer harmonically which in turn demanded that Herbie Hancock (the only musician playing chords in this ensemble) play much less since whatever chord he plays on the piano will likely clash with what Miles plays. Another much more simple explanation of Miles' glare is that he wanted Herbie to just comp along with him without mirroring the contours or rhythms of his ideas. Miles' former pianists approached their comping more as a rhythmic device, for example Red Garland frequently just plays on the 'and' of 2 and 4 with simple block chords leaving lots of room for Miles and Coltrane to explore without having to worry about what colours Red will bring out in the harmony. Obviously we'll never know for sure what Miles was thinking when he glared at Herbie at this concert but I think these are the most plausible explanations.

[@brozors]

Thank you for your detailed explanation!

[@fitchyyboi]

I've been playing jazz for five years and just learned that comping is short for accompanying. Am I stupid or just dumb

[@JDVmusicSound]

I think its also cuz the chords are all over

[@leoray1234]

Thank you

[@misterwebb8564]

Beautifully put!

[@rickdeckard9810]

Love how Tony Williams was so attentive even though he wasn't playing he caught Miles Davis's look and immediately knew what's up.

[@AquaticMammalOnBicycle]

Ron Carter looks away too lol (“don’t make eye contact with miles right now…don’t make eye contact with miles…”)

[@blujay9191]

Tony had a little bit of fear in that look.

[@Mattteus]

The musical equivalent of “hello, how are you?” “Yes, thank you”

[@marcelonunes2205]

😂😂😂😂

[@bravo1224]

LOL!

[@LemonCircuits]

perfect

[@GGman2019]

Lmao the drummers face says it all

[@Roxanneredpanda]

then he responds with, "yeah no problem"

[@JacksonBetz]

Sounds like Herbie played some butter notes

[@Benwilson89]

Jackson Betz I appreciate this reference.

[@ahmad2000hi]

is this like a thing? or is it just from that video with harmony?

[@blockhax6146]

Hehehehe

[@MikeNichols50]

Miles actually used the term "butter notes" to refer to 'fat' chords, which use notes that are not critical to indicating the 'quality' of a chord...for one example, the root and fifth... You are entitled to your opinion, and if you still maintain that opinion after reading ALL the comments on this page, I doubt if even Herbie could change your mind...

[@itsdonaldo]

Herbie- "butter notes?" Miles, " damn bottom notes"

[@bosswomen6315]

I saw Miles Davis several times and he was very moody. Sometimes, he played an entire concert with his back turned to the audience. He was the bomb, a genius par excellence. He was always on the edge of innovation. RIP 🕊️☮️

[@dominikweber4305]

My music teacher also saw miles davis life when he turned his back to the audience! He told us it was meant as protest against racism

[@IronHorsey3]

Me too. Amazing and grateful I did.

[@Brandon-dy8us]

That sounds like a trashy performance

[@Felipe.Taboada.]

​@@dominikweber4305 _'protest against racism'_ M. Davis said he would never marry a woman with skin color blacker than his.

[@JonHop1]

@@dominikweber4305 thats absolute BS.. He turned his back because the audience annoyed and distracted him sometimes.

[@felphero]

Imagine a band with Miles Davis and Buddy Rich "We're sorry to announce tonight's performance has been postponed, as Buddy and Miles have stabbed each other..."

[@_anne.marie_lisse]

The stage couldn't bear the weight of their pissed off stares

[@TricksterDa]

@@_anne.marie_lisse , assuming you could get those two egos to collaborate with each other in the first place. Lol.

[@johnguilfoil7218]

Clams!...all I hear is clams!

[@funstuff2006]

'Let's step outside and I'll show you how it is.'

[@johnguilfoil7218]

@@funstuff2006 George Costanza! . Buddy.."What's with all these beards? This isn't the house of David baseball team!!"

[@luizcadu]

Miles: ta-bap-ta-da Herbie: ta-bap-ta-da Miles: You fuckin with me, bro?

[@kdaily7698]

My dad was miles davis’ sound guy for ten years. Still sad I never met him. I heard some crazy stories tho. He called my dad “big mark” and he was mean as hell but pure genius! Still have a members only jacket and a signed photo he gifted my mom and dad while he was working for him. The definition of ‘cool’

[@Arycke]

That is super fascinating:o

[@Brookzplayzmuzic]

Mhmmm

[@kdaily7698]

@@Brookzplayzmuzic mhm

[@kdaily7698]

@William 989 miles. I wasnt old enough...

[@JCASHXIII]

The first time anyone’s ever used “Members Only jacket” & “The definition of ‘cool’” in the same paragraph.

[@assatawells8224]

So what?

[@Thelonelyscavenger]

Clever😂

[@Unkle_Mike]

Ha!

[@Meshica111]

Haaa ha

[@user-yu8en2gy3m]

😂😂

[@user-fs7eq8lq4w]

What I say

[@cindyhuang7195]

“Now ur prolly wonderin, how’d I do that?”

[@mlggodzilla1567]

Hahahahahahahah, welcome to my frist masterclass on how to mess with other musicians

[@lxmitless2999]

LOL

[@julianquinones5632]

Amazing

[@SweaterSwagg]

Bro you're funny as hell for this

[@cindyhuang7195]

SweaterSwagg bro I’m fuckin peak comedy bro😳

[@luisvelazquez2967]

Honestly Tony Williams is the funniest part of this whole video. That man looks like he's contemplating his last words while Herbie is playing

[@sevenminaya1390]

I love Ron Carter's reaction: "Not my problem" hahahhahaha

[@Rhythmicons]

There's so much fan fiction in this thread.

[@gooball2005]

the jazz lore is deep

[@bendykirby4828]

Now I’m half-expecting whoever I ask “ya like jazz?” to go on some long ramble for about 10 minutes when they say yes.

[@UkuleleAversion]

It's not fan fiction. It's speculation based on lived experiences of playing in jazz ensembles. However, yes, I would agree that there are some bullshitters in the comments section who've obviously never played jazz.

[@defaultc00kies63]

You say like it's a bad thing

[@brighteyes704]

I love that you jazz buffs know exactly what went on here. Kudos to all of you.

[@martindryan]

I was there for this gig and Herbie wasn't wearing a mask..putting the whole band at risk.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Thank you. I'm jealous.

[@ghostlandwildman4219]

Masks in the 60’s? It never entered my mind

[@ghostlandwildman4219]

Rockstump Bike I HATE Vegetables sir!

[@janosmarothy5409]

idgi was there a pandemic happening at the time

[@njits789]

Actually, there's a big chance that 'John Smith' was at the gig, statistically speaking.

[@bucklakelukie]

when you whisper a joke to a friend and he shouts it to the whole class

[@bg357wg]

More like Miles shouted it out to the whole class and Herbie whispered it again under his breath lol

[@BlankRami]

Accurate

[@holzerisms]

Lol

[@Bhuyakasha]

That actually happened to me at least twice in my school career feels bad man

[@waltonsimons12]

Herbie Hancock: I wish I was high on potenuse!

[@finnmusicstuff]

Everyone asks: “what’s the drummer doing.” Never have they said: “how’s the drummer doing.” 😔

[@hartzell7407]

Anyone who has played music professionally (and not a drummer) just cracked up.

[@willkoestner4159]

Uhhh, we ask how the drummer is doing all the time. They just never hear it because it's when they're puking their guts out 🙄

[@hugoclarke3284]

"just bangin'"

[@engineergaming5989]

He's about to witness a murder

[@hoodlum6776]

Tony Williams rip :(

[@IAMTHEIC3MAN]

lmao tony is just sitting in the back like "shit, the dressing room is gonna be a nightmare after this...."

[@RicoJazz]

Miles didn't like that Herbie responded to his riff with a similar phrasing.

[@richardmackota5267]

I think your right. I think he thought Herbie was mocking him. Which I believe he was.

[@RicoJazz]

He wasn't mocking. Jesus. Herbie was just feeling the vibe and doubling it.

[@maniacguitar]

Why would he mock Miles? What a ridiculous statement.

[@RicoJazz]

Well, young guys mock each other. It's normal. But I don't believe that's the case here...

[@ignatius3079]

That phrasing was​ not even close to what miles played

[@SCSilk]

Let’s be honest. When did Miles not look angry?

[@erichall8866]

The legend just had a naturally sad outlook😅

[@vulekv93]

True.

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

I'd easily imagine, only when he had a needle in his vein.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

@@erichall8866 Wasn't sadness. Dude was a straight out rage filled psychopath.

[@1stwonder788]

@@britishrocklovingyank3491 People don’t understand that he was talented af but literally dangerously crazy. Could have been his upbringing but sheesh he was missing some bolts

[@TheTommy9898]

Herbie Trolling since 1964

[@lorenzocarmelo6073]

Herbie: riffs on miles Miles: and I took that personally

[@DrVonNostrand]

Worlds are colliding with this comment

[@whatascunner]

Getting annoyed at someone for playing the wrong note in a jazz band is like getting annoyed at someone for playing the wrong note in a jazz band

[@duythinh252]

how can it be a wrong note when it is jazz?

[@PASTELXENON]

this comment is fucking stupid

[@PalKrammer]

Some say… it’s not a wrong note if you play it again.

[@jet_yb]

@@PalKrammer it’s as if… the nature of the note being repeated somehow influences its legitimacy.

[@seluminals7938]

Truee

[@oscarandgroucho]

Miles suddenly wonders who cleaned his mute with lemon Pledge.

[@Jordan_DeTiege]

😂

[@Rhythmattica]

LOL

[@stephengyte8937]

I had to watch the clip again after reading your comment. I think you are right 😁

[@HazeAnderson]

this 😂

[@LRS905]

"no...no...nooo...."

[@DulvluSpa]

The drummer's dodgy expressions give it away

[@MapleMilk]

He straight up looked at the camera for a second

[@spudnic95]

MapleMilk Right then and there, Tony Williams invented Jim from the office’s look at the camera

[@schesser]

"The drummer"...hahaha

[@DulvluSpa]

@FlappableBean Is Tony Williams not a drummer?

[@namesurname7172]

@@DulvluSpa Google it

[@icebear326]

I think the drummer realized that Herbie stole the rest of Miles's line

[@jwallah346]

EXACTLY! And I think that's why Miles was mad, Herbie complete his sentence perfectly.

[@doodoobrown7551]

@@jwallah346 which tells you Miles plays it too much. It's predictable.

[@PaulGreen11]

Later that night... Miles: "Herbie, come 'ere, man." Herbie: 😣.

[@maxalaintwo3578]

That dressing room is gonna be hectic lmao. Miles probably chewed him out like nobody's business

[@taurtue]

"Open your mouth Herbie..."

[@davidbrogan432]

😂

[@JScott-md6dv]

LMAOOOOO

[@DrVonNostrand]

You read this in Miles voice admit it

[@borgullet3376]

Tony: "wtf ! I wonder if Miles heard that ?..yeah he heard it ....uh oh"... Ron: Yeah he heard it, just keep playin what your playin junior or it's gonna be all our asses tonight !

[@dogsandyoga1743]

anofi berry Haha...

[@williamrobinson1973]

anofi berry best response EVER!!! Thats how it went down!!!!

[@angelperezmonarrez9892]

There's no drums tho

[@kakehavata]

!!! truly what happened

[@derekperez1418]

LMAO, and Tony is like 19 in this so he probably still new to this level of "artist"

[@arkantika3927]

Tony Williams in the background be like "My name's Paul and this is between ya'll"

[@brickvideos4851]

What really happened: Miles forgot that he had left the stove on at home.

[@jazzcabbage1776]

Lmao

[@cako666]

"Fuck, I forgot to turn off the rice"

[@daltonneilan5651]

LMAOOO

[@misterschubert3242]

That's from when he and his quintet were cookin'...

[@daltonneilan5651]

@@misterschubert3242 oh now this is good

[@alexschlawiner2540]

Miles was told that he should bring milk when he comes home. Thats the moment when he realizes that there was no grocery store open after 10pm.

[@someonesomeone7423]

Or because they didn’t accept black people back then.

[@50PullUps]

:confused:

[@addie28784]

He’s supposed to be playing pad chords and he’s riffing over Miles 😂

[@pascalkempa8005]

That’s not necessarily riffing.. more like melodic comping

[@MrGiuanin]

tony williams' faces are priceless

[@borgullet3376]

Tony AND Ron look like their both about to shit a brick... Classic..

[@hotice8885]

Giovanni ---Hahahahaha!!!! I didn't notice that until you said it. You're right: hilarious!

[@borgullet3376]

Wilt and Mos Def

[@cthulhuhandluke8026]

Looked like a lifetime emergency

[@borgullet3376]

Lol, good one vic

[@andreashoppe1969]

Pause the video at 0:09: Miles: I'm gonna kill you Drummer: What did you just do, Herbie? Ron Carter: "If my son became a priest one day, should I call him son or father?"

[@colorificiomario]

The "Drummer" is just the monster of Tony Williams, maybe one of the most important drummers of all times

[@RyanakaRhino18]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertflaglor4919]

this is the only good comment on this vid

[@caiovaz3812]

Tony willians man!!!!! The drummer its you and your friends

[@sinane.y]

That's Wilt Chamberlain

[@Daijakake]

I love how the drummer was like "oh no guys, not on stage..."

[@jamesh1369]

Miles was definitely pissed. He didn't expect Herbie to come in there.

[@tmbs1139]

Julian Davis with a last name like this you just gotta be a jazz freak! :D

[@romel_storm]

i definitely think he was expecting everyone to come in. Usually Herbie does that loud streaking chord to start it off. Then ron starts to walk and tony starts swingin. When herbie missed it Miles had to back off and keep the solo calm. If you watch on the full concert : kzbin.info/www/bejne/harXkoOpfbx8ipI right before waynes solo miles does the same thing at like 2:25. Notice what herbie does.. he plays that loud streaking chord to start everyone off. When waynes solo starts ron is walking, herbie comping actively and tony is swingin

[@edpolk1262]

I love Tony Williams expression: "Uh, guys, I'm just the drummer, here"

[@thebighurt3172]

Drummer: I’m just staring at you Herbie to remember how you look. That’s all I’m doing.

[@sihlenkosi]

So nobody’s mentioning how the drummer gives off a little smile while Miles is glaring at Herbie? 😂

[@PDXVoiceTeacher]

They need to find this man if he's still alive. We need to know what's up.

[@saintbees2088]

Tony Williams on drums. He looked apprehensive.

[@cnj67]

It's because finishing off another jazz musician's riff is how jazz musicians ridicule one another and keep each other on their toes. You can't rest on your laurels, because other musicians will reveal your unimaginativeness if you repeat yourself. And the drummer will laugh at you.

[@drewby613]

"Now you know what I have to put up with." That's my guess.

[@cocoluco54]

@@PDXVoiceTeacher Tony Williams sadly he's not around us anymore 🥲

[@Ston247]

I think it's because Herbie "ghosted" Miles's riff. Like a call and response, that he wasn't supposed to do. Example: If you're playing a single note funk line, you don't want the other guitarist to mimic your line or play something similar. That's what it seems like.

[@novellmusicmedia6895]

Nasher188 exactly!

[@NBass136]

More like when you say somthing to a kid and he responses by repeating the same sentence with annoying voice

[@nathanexplosionn]

Nasher188 nope. Bullshit

[@fortheloveofgoodmusic..4549]

Nasher188 Exactly the vibe I’m getting… at 3 seconds into this Clip, Miles seems to be Expecting _Comp,..._ and he’s getting: _Call & Response_ ... Tony’s expression also gives off the Vibe that something Ain’t right..

[@ignatius3079]

eh but Herbie missed all the other notes though so I wouldn't say that he ghosted anything except​ for the last 2 notes

[@moehammondmedia]

Ron Carter was like “I ain't got nothing to do with that. That's between Herbie and miles.” 😂

[@rosslmccallum]

Herbie’s autobiography is a good read that talks about lots of what happened on stage. I recommend it!

[@KevinElamMusic]

Miles looks kind of blue about whatever herbie was playing...

[@santiagoriosarango2086]

Hahahahahshshahshshs

[@haisamjab]

Miles never smiles... but I love him... everyone has is own character and, even though sometimes he was so hard with people around him, he treated his trumpet and every note with the most delicateness he could

[@carleymichellehildebrand6482]

omg. Tony Williams' eye shifts at 0:07-11 are A MOOD.

[@johangambleputty7658]

Thank you for saying 'Tony Williams' and not 'the drummer's, Tony's a legend!

[@bigchebureki]

On beat as well

[@TheProdigyAccordion]

Hes like oh shit, dont kill him miles lol

[@belin-teamdjokovic1628]

@Dr Synapsis I get it. Just as in "John, Paul, George and the drummer", I guess.

[@Tradell]

@@belin-teamdjokovic1628 As if most people who know those 3 names don't know Ringo... The illogical snobbery is laughable lol

[@dwight971]

The bass at 00:11 is like...."I got nuttin to do wit dis"...

[@orlandooscarcalhoun2964]

Dwight lol yesss

[@alterbassman]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@thescoobymike]

Lol

[@shaynewilliams4482]

THAT WAS THE BEST PART OF THIS WHOLE THING. BEST COMMENT.

[@hamzahamz5588]

😂😂😁😁😆😆 hahahahah OMG !!!

[@vincentfano6457]

Miles was just plain ANGRY !!!! at everything

[@shaddjimenez4524]

probably wanted him to comp instead of respond.

[@UkuleleAversion]

Exactly. You get it.

[@josephmuhl1009]

The lick at 0:09

[@georgelumsden4484]

i fuckin lost it this should have more likes

[@sammyidobelieveiammy]

is it in the bass or keys? I can’t hear it very well

[@arielamine5662]

@@sammyidobelieveiammy wooosh

[@sammyidobelieveiammy]

Thebad Eagle thank you

[@arielamine5662]

@@sammyidobelieveiammy lmao, was your comment ironic or did you really not get it?

[@walshnormandy1605]

bass player: "I'm just a statue over here. I heard nothing."

[@joewag88]

Wondering if Miles had somewhere in mind to go when he played that phrase, and then Herbie's response closed the door to that for Miles and caused him to have to pause and redirect.

[@UkuleleAversion]

Exactly.

[@Nantosuelta]

More likely he was just mad about not being able to show off more. He had a gigantic ego and didnt like being upstaged

[@UkuleleAversion]

@@Nantosuelta While it's true he had a massive ego, that wasn't why he glared at Herbie. He wanted a completely different approach to the piano in this quintet as opposed to his classic quintet with the Red Garland rhythm section at its core. Herbie got the message by this group's second recording "Miles Smiles" on which he comps noticeably less and most of his soloing is limited to right hand monophonic lines.

[@Nantosuelta]

@@UkuleleAversionThats interesting. Thanks for sharing

[@mr.beaverchair3622]

@@Nantosuelta Nah. A guy who's worried about being upstaged doesn't consistently hire the best of the best. Coltrane, Evans, Adderley, Philly Joe, Herbie, Tony, Carter, Chick, Jarrett, McLaughlin, Holland, deJohnette, etc., etc.... the list of Miles' sidemen is an encyclopedia of legends and innovators.

[@Fakename70]

Those Tony Williams eyes 👀

[@hendrixjoe555]

I understand the whole thing from his eyes and smirk

[@obamastagedallmassshooting2474]

Miles: "Don't you play dem damn butter notes!"

[@rafaelgodoy903]

*fixes herbie hancock's entire life instantly*

[@MaulSlasher]

Herbie starts playing Chameleon. *miles glances while grooving

[@mattmoves5920]

I love how the drummer and the bass guy looked at each other like "did you hear that?"

[@mick5137]

Congratulations. Out of hundreds of thousands of viewers you are the only one who doesn't know who Tony Williams and Ron Carter are.

[@roniszR]

I don’t know them either

[@mattmoves5920]

@@mick5137 who?

[@iota-09]

@@mick5137 add me to the list

[@winstonchurchill624]

Michael H I like how you assume just because he didn’t refer to them by their names he doesn’t know their names. Do you call your parents by their names? No, probably not anyways, but I’m sure you know them. Also who gives a fuck if he doesn’t know their names? Get out of here you damn twat.

[@derekpierkowski7641]

Dude was wondering if he could hide behind his bass neck!

[@lmnop541]

Then again, Miles was pretty much mad at everybody as a rule...

[@chrispile3878]

I read his autobiography, and that pretty much covers it. All he could talk about was hating white men and how many woman he'd slept with. He was not a happy person.

[@theprior46]

@@chrispile3878 In all interviews when you could decipher what he croaked after his throat surgery went wrong, he came over as a veery bitter man, resentful of everyone and everything - a chip on his shoulder the size of a plank which made him seem like he had a persecution complex. Maybe he didn't but that is how it seemed. I reckon even Bill Evans found him scary. If he smiled it would have cracked his face!

[@el34glo59]

@@chrispile3878 Yeah he wasn't a good dude

[@apullcan]

@@el34glo59 He wasn't a BAD dude, he was just deeply flawed. He WAS human, afterall.

[@KingofgraceSARA]

@@chrispile3878 I can't imagine what it was like being a black men then or even now, for that matter. Can you?

[@dangeroustelevision6515]

Herbie "stepped on his toes". That's a musical phrase for playing when you're not supposed to.

[@AB-ts6dn]

Thank you I was confused as to why he was pissed

[@Meltedcheese567]

What he played was a subtle repetition of miles' last phrase. As a trained listener I found it wonderful. MD was being a control freak. It would suck to be in his band.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

@@Meltedcheese567 I always get this vibe from jazz musicians. Edgy, innovative stuff always attracts elitist hipsters. They all forget the purpose of music, it has to sound good.

[@reggiejohnson8753]

Tony Williams response is like "uh oh, I don't think I'm going to the group dinner tonight." Ron Carter gave the "bruh, you alright?" glance to Herbie. This is all classic.

[@grxengine6188]

Not a shock. Miles always found something to be pissed off about while he performed.

[@effemeseyevee901]

In reality...only 83.57% of the time

[@victorroque5667]

Sounds like a music teacher😂

[@eduardoramos5792]

@@victorroque5667 this is common knowledge about Miles. He was a genius, but a pain in the ass to work with. You should see Ted Gioia talking about such issues.

[@victorroque5667]

@@eduardoramos5792 that's interesting... Do you think it was because he was to much of a perfectionist? That sounds a lot like a lot of musicians when they make a song and when they're done they say stuff like "damnit I should have done this" or something around there. Or am I wrong?

[@eduardoramos5792]

@@victorroque5667 I honestly just think he was a very bitter person haha. Things weren't like that with other musicians as far as I know.

Tony's eyes like "uh-oh..." Ron's like "wasn't me".

[@randywhiting7637]

Listen to Herbie talk about Miles. This was a perfect example of their relationship - mentor teaching the student. Ever have a great coach give the stick eye to their best athlete? Was Herbie better for it, damn straight. Balance it with the story about Herbie playing So What with Miles and how Miles built off a mistake and made it something more. One moment in history taken out of context…

[@cactusjackNV]

Indeed, but now everything has to be overblown into something to gossip about. And of course EVERYONE knows what everyone on stage was thinking and feeling because, you know we are all mind readers.

[@seanlambert2865]

When the piano player is getting way too caught up in their comping and plays over the soloist, it interrupts the music rather than contributes to it. That's why Miles is scowling at Herbie, and Tony/ Ron know what's up.

[@tiluriso]

I hear what you say (and it's true), but here, Herbie didn't really 'play over Miles', he played right in that Space Miles left in his phrase, right after Miles paused. Miles himself actually encouraged that kind of interactivity.

[@tribe8342]

Tbh everyone in the band secretly hate piano/keyboard player who doesn't give space to other instruments 😂

[@TheSlyProfessor]

I got yelled at by my professor for doing interactive comping in this vein during his bass solo.

[@christianwagenseil9621]

tiluriso but I think Miles was just about to play another phrase

[@GlloomMusic]

Shut up white man

[@LoewenRanger]

how about Wilt Chamberlain on the bass tho

[@michaelyang3910]

As a jazz and NBA fan, thank you

[@joeygallo7139]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ps5lover9]

More like Bill Russell but you tried

[@souperman7326]

Nah that’s Reg E. Cathey if anything

[@TheLyzander]

Thats spencer dinwiddie

[@aldubruck6370]

The look on Tony Williams' face is priceless....like "uh-oh, someone f-d up!"

[@nate_kang]

When Herbie plays the butter notes Miles: 😐😐😐 Tony Williams: *looking around nervously*

[@mackavelly]

Wilt Chamberlain: 🗿

[@thomasnelson5758]

0:04 is the personification of "Now I know *DAMN* well...."

[@lilcheeks84]

😂😂😂

[@dannydubya9410]

Two national treasures, stepping on each others toes

[@reginaldinoenchillada3513]

Miles Davis starring in the role of Michael Jordan in the new Broadway musical, "That Was When It Became Personal To Me"

[@Kreacher3]

"Man, just... *sighs*" *Some kind of blue intensifies*

[@loslake7459]

0:11 tries so fricking hard not to bust out laughing and succeeds 😂

[@wildbillhackett]

Ron Carter's like, "Man, I don't know nothing!"

[@harpmanb]

I've never heard Miles play before this. He's pretty good on that bugle.

[@gls1749]

You're living under a rock?

[@PalKrammer]

I think his secret is those valve things on the bugle. I think if he bent the horn up about 45 degrees it would sound even better.

[@PeterGriffin-kb2hf]

@@PalKrammer that's crazy, no one will ever do that

[@danpinsonsax]

As a jazz musician myself, one of the most annoying things is to have an accompanist play one of your solo phrases back to you. Miles was not happy.

[@P4nopticon]

Cool story gramps. P.s...your last name is pretty close to penis.

[@maffymaffmaff]

@@P4nopticon gee that was brutal

[@kpgpwi64]

Yeah one of the most annoying things you can do to someone musically. Had a bassist who would do it on literally every solo I took.

[@mountainman8775]

I’d like to apologise on behalf of Derric the Spoon for a generation that sometimes forgets respect for elders

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@P4nopticon Not close enough to really make that connection unless d*cks are already on your mind

[@ryank2112]

At 0:12 Ron Carter looks back at Herbie like,”Boy, watch out he’s pissed!” 😂

[@1998XBOX]

Tony was actually sitting there

[@Name-el9ps]

Sometimes I think the majority of miles talent laid with his ability to surround himself with major talent. His records sound good, but to me, almost never because of his actual playing, rather than the sound of his incredible ensembles.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

A musician who is best known for his attitude is a celebrity and a diva.

[@jimmetesky6019]

Amen.

[@RiveBassCovers]

Yeah, the drummer in the background quickly glanced at Miles when Herbie played that phrasing. He was like "Ah shit, he did it" while Ron Carter was like "Yeah don't look at me I'm just playing my part"

[@zackzallie8735]

Came for Miles Davis, stayed for the comments. lol

[@rickwilliams967]

Miles Davis was mad at everyone

[@ilanlarkins9195]

Nobody is talking about the bass player who looked at Herbie and was like, "God, bless this man."

[@dogsandyoga1743]

"Ron Carter on the bass, yes my man Ron Carter is on the bass..." - Q Tip 1991

[@jamesfeldman4234]

Translation of Miles' stare at Herbie: "Herbie, next time you play that busy sh-t in the middle of my solo, I'm-a slap you upside yo hayd."

[@UkuleleAversion]

HA! Exactly.

[@blujay2084]

I see that you used the proper spelling of 'hayd'

[@jamesfeldman4234]

@@blujay2084 Actually, even though I'm White, I used to talk this way myself many years ago. I learned this lingo from my Black friends and practiced it when I grew up in a largely Black neighborhood. And even one of my friends, who was a Black honors student, talked this way. It was all in good fun.

[@petermautner7052]

I believe Miles came on the scene at the right time . He brought the traditional jazz and eventually rock crowd to embrace him . Just my thoughts .

[@seanhennessey9869]

one of Miles´more gentle scowling rebukes....

[@turtlespiritflutes7570]

Having watched the full concert and this clip in the fuller context multiple times, I'm going with Level32SaganCarl expressed. Miles was expecting to go it alone. If you listen to the whole track and the end of the tune, that's exactly what happens, Ron and Miles. If you listen to the tune at Live At the Plugged Nickel, that's what happens. As for the suggestions, you can't know he was angry at, well watch Miles before he gets angry. His eyes are closed and fully absorbed in his playing. if there was anybody off stage to the left, it wouldn't have been a visual distraction, and since I don't hear any noise, I'm going with he was perturbed at Herbie because of the angle of his glance. Watch the wide shots. Even if there was no prior direction of what to play/or when not to, I get the sense from the momentum of Miles's line that he was going to answer his own chromatic run and it "felt" like Herbie stepped on what Miles didn't play but was anticipating and Herbie is not as locked into Miles as much as Miles is locked into everybody else. They don't teach you that at Berkley. Thanks everybody for playing. Door prizes waiting at the door. If only we could solve our geopolitical problems so easily.

[@moviefiend44]

So in other words, Miles was signaling he wanted to go down Road A, while Herbie took the band speeding down Road F. Something like that, musically speaking?

[@dcalvitti]

"Berklee" actually

[@somebonehead]

Interesting analysis.

[@romel_storm]

i think Miles wanted everyone to come in. Whenever he's done that on records and in the concert, ron walks, herbie comps loudly cutting through and tony starts swinging. Herbie probably wasn't paying attention or didnt realize because it was so early in miles' solo to start that. As soon as miles looks at him he starts comping loudly because he knows thats where miles wanted to go but it was too late. Thats why it calmed back down.

[@nowideau]

Prior to this clip, Hancock also took an uninspired and overly long solo. Miles walks on stage indicating it's time for him to wrap up, and Hancock then proceeds to go on a completely new line of exploration (probably to make up for what he knew wasn't the most exciting playing), leaving Miles standing there waiting. Following all of that, it was the last straw when Hancock butted in on Miles's playing.

[@rickolsonmusic]

It’s just a musical conversation! Miles believed in music being largely space. Herbie’s answer was a perfect moment. I don’t think Miles’ ego was hurt not filling all the space. I have heard Herbie quit the band when Miles punched him so there is that… I heard a story from someone in the group when the late Bob Berg was in the band and Miles grimaced at Bob for overplaying in a space moment and later Bob said “it was so beautiful I had to play…” to which Miles replied: “ it was beautiful cause you wasn’t playing” I saw Miles grimace at Minu Cinelo (can’t remember the spelling sorry) for playing a virtuosic torrent of brilliant percussion which Miles may have thought was grandstanding- that was a much bigger grimace than the one in this video which to me is overblown.

[@Ahinahina]

That’s the same look LeBron gave JR Smith in the finals

[@smoothoscillator1]

rowan brophy good thing for JR that Lebron wasn’t holding a trumpet...

[@paulturnet4572]

🎯

[@jazzcabbage1776]

Lol dum asf haha

[@LRS905]

Tony Williams...poor man looks like "Oh, shit is going to happen while we play..."