Elden Ring Nightreign...Will It Be Good!?

[@Destro_888]

Its super important to let developers do this kind of thing. Mixing it up with such familair mechanics is experimenting for whatever they do next. Other wise you end up with franchise like assasins creed.

[@kalecraft8906]

Preach

[@derick5295]

yeah, a lot os soulsborn fans were hating on elden for being open world before launch

[@ghostering8]

I don't think they care much about this game. Just simple shot game. Main project still in progress

[@divinitygaming8673]

There's like 10 different studios that make AC games so your point is kinda moot

[@johnathonlongtin2275]

@@ghostering8yeah Miyazaki greenlit the project but he’s working on their next big project while some other high ranking dev that had the idea oversees this

[@thefish6235]

This game would make my Late friend go nuts, he was a HUGE Risk of Rain 1+2 fan, we always played together and he even got me into Dark Souls, this makes me sad hes not here to see it, hed have LOVED this

[@arfanik9827]

Sorry for your loss, I hope you will still have fun playing this game, also he must have been a cool guy if he liked the Dark Souls series as well as RoR!

[@elijahbowers1]

RIP friend but yeah I feel like as side project ror and Elden Ring is a match made in heaven.

[@PittedGrape]

F

[@Stalked5ever]

Play it in his honor

[@TommithThyCommeth1111]

Condolences

[@ShikiRyougi05]

It's gonna be good. However the question is is it gonna be fun for 30 hours or 1300? They should definitly update it post launch with more maps, bosses and characters.

[@AlphaOmega-jh6ll]

Yeah it’s definitely gonna have at least one big update, especially if it is commercially successful

[@lottji]

I don’t want a f*cking live service souls game. This feels like something Sony would force FromSoft to make, but they’re not even bought yet.

[@gdn5001]

@@lottjiit’s not a souls game

[@interloper9589]

@@lottji It's not live service the devs already said so

[@HopeYourDoingOkay]

​@@lottji Well that's good as they already said it's not a live service game, as I understand it it's simply a standalone title that will have the occasional update. No battlepass, no tags or other general fluff that live service games have.

[@MagGunDO17]

The greatest battle of all time: The Soulslike fan's desire to play everything Fromsoft vs The soulslike fan's fear of deviating from the one game formula they've known for well over a decade

[@derick5295]

do u remember when FS revealed that Elden Ring was gonna be a open world and they lose their mind? that was funny

[@MagGunDO17]

@@derick5295 I was thinking more in the direction of Sekiro reactions but that sounds about right

[@enman009]

Ahhh, the lost art of enjoying different things. Some people really don't know how to accept the execution of different ideas, like when Sekiro and ER got pushback and critiques from detractors. Nightreign is similar only in this regard, and could also be the same when it comes to positive reception.

[@itol2398]

Y'all forget, but even Bloodborne got pushback. People were like "GuNs!? In mY DaRk sOuLs!?!?"

[@wadamade1]

Fromsoft fans, a company who got big off of trying new things, are trying new things again:

[@DuranmanX]

its too bad the first Fromsoft spin-off wasn't Bloodborne Kart

[@Naruzakun]

I got that ref :p

[@Nikopteros]

Sony: you lost me at "bloodborne"

[@doggotov1]

Let me make a pitch appointment with fromsoft

[@briansilva3765]

Pretty sure the first FromSoft spin-off was Shadow Tower in 1998, which was sort of a different version of King's Field.

[@smoe79]

Hey we got Bloodborne Kart at home. And it's good!

[@Sylvaire]

The whole "asset flipping is bad" argument doesn't hold water to me. I agree with Max when he says it matters more if the gameplay is actually fun and if the end product is good. Asset flipping is not inherently bad. Look at a game like Legend of Zelds Majora's Mask. That game is LITERALLY all asset flips from Ocarina of Time and many people (including myself) consider it to be a great entry in the series. I've even heard people say it's their favorite despite containing mostly assets from Ocarina of Time. I'm excited for Nightreign because I think the concept of the gameplay sounds neat, new, experimental, and refreshing. If it's bad, it will be bad because the gameplay is bad not because of the assets like Max stated.

[@valeoncat13]

Yeah that entire rhetoric is an offshoot from gamers who don't actually understand how games are made, and while their heart is in the right place, they often forget devs are people who like their jobs and try to make the best product they can WITHIN limitations. If making entirely new assets weren't resource intensive and deadlines weren't so strict, obviously most devs would opt to make new ones. But that's not the reality of game dev.

[@BrandonDenny-we1rw]

Fallout New Vegas is like 80% reused assets so people cant complain about reusing an asset

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Also Fallout New Vegas and almost all of Yakuza / Like a Dragon games.

[@Sylvaire]

@@BrandonDenny-we1rw New Vegas is a great example! Probably my favorite Fallout game!

[@Sylvaire]

@@fernandozavaletabustos205 Never played the Yakuza games but yeah, New Vegas is an amazing game, my personal favorite Fallout game!

[@StaceyJordan-p7q]

I've spent a lot of time playing Risk of Rain 2, and Elden Ring sounds like a dream come true for a kid who plays those two games.

[@GamingOnRye]

As a huge fan of roguelites, this game has me extremely hyped. The fact you could get near infinite fun and uniqueness in a fromsoft game like this is awesome

[@priyanshumaurya007]

Absolutely, Like without having to commit to a 10 hrs playthrough to fight bosses & try out a new build! With this, I can do that in 40 mins!

[@Ben-zh4nz]

@@priyanshumaurya007more like 40 hours bro !

[@animegeek3109]

He's not your "bro" 😭💀

[@Gennosuke1983]

This is not gonna be infinite lol. BR have a long life because it's PVP, you're not fighting AI enemies, real people behave differently each run and it's always kinda new. But this is PVE, once you beat all bosses a few times, what's the point of playing more? And they won't add new bosses, because that costs money, and they would rather use those assets for their next game. Also, this seems different from other roguelite games, because there is very little progression between runs, just those relics I guess. Normal roguelite games can't be beat for many runs, because your character is too weak. It seems in Nightreign you can beat it after a few runs if you're good and get some decent gear. The other option is for them to have regular updates with new maps, bosses, new gear, etc for like 20$. And I don't know who wants that, I know I don't

[@yukadsfa]

As a chalice dungeon enjoyer, I’m probably gonna love this

[@EggscellentTree]

The watchdog of the old lords in the defiled dungeon was one of the least fun bosses I've fought in souls games.

[@mahogany1710]

@@EggscellentTreeFor a completely optional slop boss he's really not that bad

[@Drakashin]

@@EggscellentTree Nah, I'd take watchdog over Rom, Celestial Emissary, or Living Failures.

[@EggscellentTree]

I was specifically talking about the one in the half life dungeon , that thing is a menace if you don't use summons. Had to beat it for the platinum trophy. People mostly complain about defiled amygdala but this thing was way harder for me.

[@mahogany1710]

@@EggscellentTree I had a lot of fun figuring out the tricks for beating Watchdog, I had to cheese Defiled Amygdala tho lmao

[@Lemminjoose]

Man, the corpo mind is infecting everyone. Someone said in chat "how are they going to make money off of this?" Bro, they're going to try to make a banger experience and hope a ton of people buy it and play it. I hate what live service has done to gamers.

[@MagonTheConqueror]

The "shareholder fans" are some of the most cringe. Like, let the companies worry about making money and just be fans and play the games.

[@puxtbuck6731]

Younger people just don’t know anything else I guess. It’s like these people get worried when they see they won’t constantly get mugged by a game.

[@SpectreAdept]

I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt and assume they were just curious if it was going to be a premium price title or a F2P one

[@DijiEva]

@@MagonTheConquerorpeople love to talk about “well the shareholders said” and like are you one of them? Were you in the meetings?

[@starbit5065]

I think a lot of the folks asking “how will they make money off of this” don’t seem to realize the sort of prestige that FromSoft’s name carries now, especially in the past few years. They may not be a household name but just revealing they’re involved with a new game is enough to get a ton of eyes on it.

[@romulus9611]

This video just proves that Margit is the biggest hater of the FromSoft games with how he'll just randomly invade you

[@skywalkersbutido6375]

Wrong,he is the most authentic thing this game has to offer,invaders are the real heroes of these games.

[@divinitygaming8673]

Inb4 you get invaded by the Pursuer and his lovely "what is a hitbox" abilities lol

[@moonrabbit2334]

​@@divinitygaming8673 stabs you through the multiverse

[@HollowKnight21]

I seriously believe that biggest hater still goes to Iguazu from Armored Core 6.

[@SunWarriorSolaire]

So happy Fromsoft finally figured how to make a pursuer-type enemy. It took them 14 years to

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

"the power level in elden ring is pretty high but nothing is THIS huge" meanwhile wave of gold casually wiping half a continent. edit: the asset reuse bros don't know fromsoft has used the same goddamn dogs since DS1 lol

[@notachainlinkfence480]

(Don’t mention the animations)

[@paulx3274]

Pontiff Rellana. . They can reuse everything and I'll still play it, they know how the modders worked with their games they are grown up enough to go "yeah that's pretty sick putting bloodborne into elden ring, I'll do a bit of that now" instead of hating and chasing down modders for loving the game they put crazy hours into.

[@yominashi2379]

​@@paulx3274Rellana is not reused until you are fucking blind

[@SunWarriorSolaire]

@@paulx3274they didnt reuse pontiff for rellana. However, they did recycle pontiff’s stance animation for consort radahn

[@dylanwins9839]

If From ever changes their door opening animation, I’ll riot

[@ShikiRyougi05]

1:37 this seems to be exactly what happened lol, they directly refered to being open to using ideas from seamless coop for future games in an old interview.

[@paladinpls]

People dooming over this are incredibly stupid. It's an experimental spin off game of course it's going to be a bit weird and different and that's a good thing. Fromsoft is obviously still working on they're bigger rpg projects, they're just not ready yet. This game isn't live service and won't have microtransactions. They're experimenting and I'm down for it.

[@Berssange55]

It's weird seeing recycled bosses from older games, seems like a lazy cash grab. I understand the backlash

[@ShirouZero0]

@@Berssange55 The way I see it is why purchase this when I can just download mods that completely changes the way combat, weapons, armor, and areas work. It all just seems like a big mod too me.

[@WhiteInk47]

It definitely isn’t live service because you can play it offline solo if you wish

[@YetiCoolBrother]

​​@@Berssange55 It's simply bad business to have all of these very usable assets and just sit on them and create entirely new shit every single time, that's how you end of like Square-Enix with the Final Fantasy series taking exponentially longer between releases up until recently. The game has a new director, it's not a Miyazaki game, there's nothing wrong with using their stuff to do a cool experimental side thing with an IP that is very strong. You're basically hating on some poor guys pet project in the company that got the green light. They literally just gave us SOTE so we know it's not like this is the new direction going forward.

[@thebarbarianninja4152]

@@Berssange55 If you are a fromsoft fan, you know they have always been reusing assets. This game wont even be full price and it sounds hella fun

[@inoodlesi4459]

People really need to get out the thought of every game needing to be game of the year material. Thats why gaming culture is so sad today. This is a fun side project arcade experience that may not be for everyone but will still be good to pass time. That's what a game is. And it looks like this project will hit that feeling perfectly. This is not a fromsoft miss, its a new game.

[@sashakeiv2703]

I know it's not their next big title but I'm so excited for it anyways. It sounds totally unique

[@furirider4928]

Elden ring plus Fortnite. Not very unique

[@FettsFrequency]

@@furirider4928 cry about it lol

[@furirider4928]

@FettsFrequency lol I'm not bothered. Not a game for me, no big deal. Just funny how they actually made Elden Ring Fortnite

[@Bouchiba-bu7yp]

@@furirider4928 everyone keeps saying fortnite because of that dumb ign reviewer comparing it to fortnite they only share in common like 2 things and there is no pvp and it ain't a battle royal the circle is just there to push u to fight the boss and not overlevel through clearing waves and looting learn to read before jumping to conclusions

[@furirider4928]

@@Bouchiba-bu7yp it has a purple ring of death reducing the game space......what else was I going to think of?? And bruh chill, have fun when this comes out. I'm just saying it's not my cup of tea

[@WhiteInk47]

We’ve got Not Lady Maria and a Sekiro deflection character. This game is going to absolutely slap.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

And this is because PlayStation owns Bloodborne IP and Activision published Sekiro.

[@SunWarriorSolaire]

We even got an awesome knight and a Hawk tuah (sorry) character. And a purple grandalf. Big bow character and a godfrey fan thwt would fit perfectly in for honor

[@davidarias5612]

This makes me think of risk of rain 2, I’ve sunk so many hours into it and Elden ring, a child of those two games sounds like a dream

[@Poposomeone]

I saw someone call it elden ring risk of regin and i cant get it out of my head

[@tehtayziez]

Nightreign gives the vibe of instead of playing as your soulsborn character, you're instead playing as a minor soulsborn boss or an elite enemy, because abilities and animations are a bit extra than what players usually get, but still human sized and a specific character. The thing that will decide whether or not the game has good longevity is the size of the roster and if characters have some sort of long term progression so that you benefit from picking a character you like and sticking with it. Edit: I'm also with Max on the addition of PvP to this game, Soulslike PvP really has never become much more than a gimmick to the series since its very inception and the fact that this isn't a PvP experience is a big part of why Nightreign gets more of a benefit of the doubt from me in terms of having a reason to exist, otherwise we really are just trying to muscle in on Fortnite territory and there are MORE than enough PvP BR games out there, keep this as a PvE experience so they can focus on making it interesting without the desperate need for constant tweaking and minute balancing that PvP issues always bring up.

[@priyanshumaurya007]

Absolutely! I think the only thing sucks about this game will be No Cross Play!

[@upon-fe2720]

As long as netcode is improved it should be more than fun

[@vexanxvi9191]

In Terms of Roguelike Similarities it really reminds me of Ravenswatch, it has a day and night cycle where you had about 3 days and nights to run around loot and lv up then once it ends it warps you into the boss fight then after it takes you into the next zone to rinse and repeat with different enemies and bosses.

[@ESGR1]

yeah i realized im old as well, when most people dont know dota was a custom game for wc3 and counter strike was a half life mod.

[@quintonhoffert6526]

Not sure if you've already seen it or if someone else mentioned it further below, but the devs already confirmed that this will be a single purchase game with no live service elements (battle passes, MTX, etc). They said it is targeted for a similar price as Shadow of the Erdtree (~$40). It might still get updates post-launch, since that's pretty normal nowadays, but once you buy the game you get everything, you just have to unlock it by playing.

[@MrWTFOMFGROFL]

Miyazaki 100% knows about the seamless coop mod and has said that perhaps in a future game they could adapt some aspects of that mod lol it was an interview like this or last year

[@Desolved_Absolution]

Miyazaki is not the director for this game

[@BrandonDenny-we1rw]

​​@@Desolved_Absolution Correct but he is the CEO of Fromsoft so any and all engine changes like that have to go through him first probably

[@Childofbhaal]

I think this is a perfect addition to ER tbh. A lot of people’s complaints with ER was the open world and how you have to wade through everything again to replay it. This game will be way tighter and more focused. I think playing preset characters is a fun shake up from the normal formula. People complain that From just makes the same Souls type game every time so this is a nice branch out from that.

[@HunterForHire422]

YES! People like me. Sometimes I wanna play ER but it's a commitment so this could be perfect

[@JinglePeeny]

Nah this is gonna be a good one. There's nothing wrong with trying a new formula. Roguelikes are infinite fun and adapting your playstyle according to what items/buffs you find is the same kind of satisfaction as building up your character in Elden Ring. They essentially just shortened the same tension, risk and reward loop.

[@jonathancox1794]

Nightreigns lore could be an amalgamation of many things and as a stand alone I'm ok with that. I can't help but think it brings greater meaning to "The Lands Between" as we will see Dark Souls bosses appearing. Fromsoftware hasn't let me down. I'm willing to give it go when it releases. I was just really hoping for more Armored Core. But who knows...if this succeeds I could see this adapted to AC some day.

[@Dracobyte]

FYI: Yasuhiro Kitao (Elden Ring, Bloodborne) is the producer. Junya Ishizaki is the director. The later was the battle director on Elden Ring, Lead game D designer on Dark Souls 3, game designer on Bloodborne and event planned on Dark Souls 1.

[@luisivancejatavera5296]

Let me tell you this, in my experiance playing soulslike, i always wanted to have a game that mixes all of my favorite boss fights, i get the character creation attatchment, but common! A FROMSOFT official randomizer, with updates of maps, bosses, weapons, or "heroes" this shit is gonna be fun AF, and hopefully its fucking CROSSPLAY

[@eyegotthefifesheep]

🤡

[@SpectreAdept]

It was confirmed to not have crossplay

[@luisivancejatavera5296]

@SpectreAdept fuck :( thanks tho

[@diogoleitetiburtino1175]

​@@SpectreAdeptsauce?

[@nerellos]

Sekiro had 0 customization, and it is one of the best action game like ever. From knows how to make action games.

[@dannyboi5887]

A Fromsoft Roguelite is something I've been dreaming of since Chalice Dungeons in Bloodborne. Those were very half-baked and tedious but the concept was nevertheless genius and all they needed was some actual polish and effort put into them, and just from the trailer alone looks to be EXACTLY what they're doing with Nightrein.

[@rickn6923]

There’s actually a lot of customization. The JP press release has a lot of info about how they wanted to incorporate leveling builds and basically what amounts to skill trees to make sure that each individual player character has enough customization to keep in line with the main series, but it goes even further.

[@diogoleitetiburtino1175]

U have the source?would love to read it

[@hare75]

I need a sauce

[@rickn6923]

There’s also an interview with the director out their now that’s easy to find with a lot of info, I believe IGN got the interview

[@rickn6923]

@@diogoleitetiburtino1175 rurikhan’s video is called Elden Ring Night Reign Everything We Know.

[@rickn6923]

@@diogoleitetiburtino1175 fighting cowboys video is called Elden Ring Night Reign Souls as a Roguelike?

[@SkellyHertz]

Not sure if it will be incredible, but it will be good for experimentation and getting the team some new experience to improve their other games.

[@NexZu-]

Multiplayer for souls games have been tied to lore elements that is pretty unique in terms summoning your friend in to help. Its good thematically but not practically when your just trying to party up the whole time. Otherwise it would be just making a lobby before going in game, or not sending the other player back after dying.

[@TalonVI]

I first had that experience with Vaati's videos after I played through Dark Souls 3. Was amazing hearing his story telling after I had already played through and was able to fill in the gaps and tie things together. So good.

[@theocan]

I have seen everyone compare this to Borderlands and other games.. But the closest thing I can attach this to; is the long forgotten Castlevania Harmony of Despair. In which you jump into classic maps with characters from every 2D installment, and you then have to essentially play a co-op level of castlevania. This includes fighting enemies and bosses from every Castlevania, and equipping items and weapons from chests found throughout. I believe the level is also slowly closing in around the centre which is normally a boss arena. I remember thinking how neat of an idea it was at the time, but the major killer was the playerbase. Because people felt like it was a knockoff of the OG titles, they all eventually fled back to the original titles. This made what was essentially a co-op experience, a complete ghost town. Which is entirely possible here. Regardless of how much this game could be soloable, this was built from the ground up to be a social experience. If that community dies down in favour of just replaying the original games again, this will probably go right along with it.

[@DillonMeyer]

So I have a feeling the game is going to be similar in flow to Returnal. You'll do a run, get lore and unlocks as you play. Each run, you'll most likely get closer and closer to the true goal, defeating the Nightlord. Doesn't matter if you win or lose, you'll be making some sort of meta progress, in addition to learning boss mechanics and moves so you can get better at the game on top of the new things you get in successive runs.

[@geraldoflores2957]

So where we dropping in limgrave boys, im super excited to see 2 of my favorite genres in 1 im so hopeful for this

[@SoupWizard776]

i've done coop playthroughs with friends in the past, the stories we shared will live with me forever, rip my friend paul, he died on an elevator

[@devilmancries9617]

I think it will help popularize the franchise in a couple of ways. For one, console players don't have access to mods and if you wanted to try out something like the randomizer runs, then here you go. Also, players that are intimidated by time commitment might be able to jump in and enjoy this.

[@doratheshade]

Watching this trailer is already making me miss Sekiro. The freedom in movement in that game is so good

[@dsharpshooter11]

17:16 Oooof I hope they do something crazy with margit. A new ai for it would be interesting

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

The YoVG sessions in this game gonna go crazy! !

[@GreatRaijin]

Max is right that vaati is looking at the dark souls bosses as nothing but asset reuses being pessimistic, i view them as a love letter to longterm fans If they wanted to just asset reuse, they have tons of bosses in elden ring by itself, also im certain that the bosses will probably have updated movesets

[@totorosdad7965]

Guarantee 99% of people calling it a cash grab are still gonna buy it

[@StruggaBugga]

1% representin', lol

[@WrongPerson-hq5dt]

2:38 you can call it fate, but it is absolutely hilarious he is saying all that while staring at centipede demon.

[@inoodlesi4459]

My literal thought process like..."Is he gonna mention that?"

[@IlliantheGrandMage]

He had no idea, lol. When Vaati mentions it, he goes O.O

[@APsaull]

Ya know I’d love if this game is not just a place to put From Softwares greatest hits of bosses but also the cut content bosses that didn’t have a place in the story or needed more time to properly develop from the past

[@GrandScourge86]

You mean like the great one beast? I hope so, but I wonder if any cut content from bloodborne still technically belongs to Sony?

[@Anubiszz512zz]

I love this idea. Maybe it doesn't work and from soft can learn something. Maybe it's a hit and creates a franchise that other game studios feverishly attempt to copy and emulate. Either way I think it will make from soft stronger and allow them to stretch their creative muscles. I'm not sure why there are so many naysayers when people have regularly and routinely praised the innovation that from soft has made in the past with faster and frenetic combat in Bloodborne, open world dark souls in elden ring, and a substantial change in the combat system with sekiro. Each of those games has their issues sure, but not a one of them failed to do what they set out to do. Nightreign is surely more out there and innovative and therefore more risky but from soft is in a position of strength where they can handle a failure if that's what it amounts to. If not then the world will no doubt be overrun with multiplayer roguelike soulslike clones and from soft will have set another trend. I say let them cook.

[@ETERNALXGAMEPLAY]

People are forgetting that this same exact concept has been achieved on a high level with ghost of Tsushima which was really fun and had everything we’re wondering about

[@daquandavis5498]

All I’m gonna say is if this is successful be ready for one of the craziest alienations/splits between a fan base we have ever seen😂… I’m interested but can tell u right off the bat there is plenty here that should not be put into regular souls games

[@doratheshade]

I can already see the clickbait videos "NIGHTREIGN is BETTER than Elden Ring????"

[@erops7933]

Smash Bros are asset dumps and are incredible Mario kart asset dumps Zelda Tears of the Kingdom is an insane asset dump Like Max said Monster hunter, Yakuza So many games, good games reuse old assets it really is not a big deal

[@saterdei]

Oh it's gonna be GOOD. Co-op, 3-player game with a 3-day cycle and 8 different bosses. The real question is how many hours can you put into it... but if I hit a minimum of 40h, I'll have been extremely satisfied.

[@Taint_Smasher]

8 different bosses? That’s it? BIGGGGG YIKES.

[@deadstriker4415]

@@Taint_Smasher 8 different FINAL bosses, or 8 different night lords. The only night lord we’ve seen as of now is the Cerberus dog, there are a bunch other field bosses and night 1 & 2 bosses.

[@Bluestarr72]

@@Taint_Smasher 8 final bosses, with an unkown amount of other field and end of day bosses that will be drawn from seemingly every game theyve made.

[@saterdei]

​@@deadstriker4415 Eight different Night Lords, indeed. If you think about it, Hades has five bosses in total (and a bunch of minis), but it's still got enough customization - for both character and stages - to go on for hundreds of hours. There are bound to be clauses to increase the game's risk and reward; I'd also bet on higher difficulty including new forms and movesets for bosses.

[@nolanlehman6392]

It sounds structurally alot like the game ravenswatch. Only with more variety due to the landscape and bosses changing each time. The core ganeplay is already rock solid so putting it into a new framework is a cool experiment as a side project. Definitely gonna try it

[@rieJW]

Aside from the talk of Nightreign, it’s pretty much staple if not tradition to always watch Vaati after playing a From game. Its like having a drink after you’re finished eating

[@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028]

Great video. I’m personally bummed by this news after the initial hype of the trailer. But happy for those who like this type of game. I’ll at least give it a try when it’s on sale.

[@JoshArtisto]

@7:35 I agree. That's the one thing that is a small turnoff for me and why I probably won't spend a lot of time playing this. One of my favorite things about souls games is the customization and custom builds.

[@castform57]

One of the pcgamer articles referenced the creation of street fighter 2 turbo, and I feel like Nightreign is in the same boat. They saw what the modders were doing, and they decided to take their own crack at it as the official developer. I really want to call it Elden Ring super turbo.

[@eliv8468]

Add a Monster Hunter reward system. Craft weapons and armor from bosses. Unlimited grind.

[@Mortal_Indeed]

If anything, From needed something remote enough to the main franchises but still a guarenteed success, so they can get the new recruits from the recent expansion of the studio up to speed asap, the new mechanics experimentation is just the icing on the cake. One game with minimal new lore and art asset needed, but included most if not all important mechanics through out the souls like history, running on the most recent engine, with a big enough open world, is just perfect for that.

[@iurypadilha]

Nightreing is the Tekken Tag of Souls, it's in the core of Bandai Namco to release that mix of characters games

[@leithaziz2716]

I'm looking forward to this project from a distance mainly because the concept sounds too funny to ignore. "Super Souls Brothers Ultimate"

[@andimari9194]

I think the balance aspect that you’re worried about won’t be too bad. There are graces, meaning that our flasks will be refilled. It will get harder as it progresses since we lose graces, but I think it will be pretty fair

[@acidz713]

The funny thing is, I'm pretty sure this game will have it's own lore. Like Vaati mentioned, the characters will have their own stories. I can also see Limvale (don't remember the name of the new map so correct me if I'm wrong) having it's own unique lore to discover.

[@spacevillainy]

this has the potential to be HUGE. roguelikes/lites have been a hot commodity for sometime, and one with elden ring money and appeal behind it has near infinite potential.

[@WarrenValion]

I don't play rougelikes or multiplayer games, but I think this looks pretty sick and I am super down for devs to try smaller more experimental titles. They also said it would cost around the price of SotE, so anywhere between 30-50 bucks is right on the money

[@stormwashington8427]

The thought process is if the movement and formula response is well received then future games get a improvement to a lot of there systems and gather a larger crowd.

[@Screlz]

To be 100% honest, i REALLY wanted the multiplayer aspect of Elden Ring to be this. Maybe not necessarily the 15 minute boss rushish element, but if it plays well maybe i will enjoy that as well. Im one of those gamers that truly loves co-op games. To be able to share gaming moments with others with a common goal is an impactful thing for me. All the pvp battle royale games have never really been my thing. I play from time to time but in general i feel im heavier on the side of Coop pve over coop pvp or just general pvp.

[@mismismism]

I'm cautiously optimistic. A rogue-like actually seems like a pretty natural progression from a Souls game for a spin off. And they have the shot to make this kind of what if scenario game where we could maybe see fights that weren't in the base game. Give us consort Godwyn, super Saiyan Melina with the open eye, etc. The potential is there for this to be really cool so I'm excited. I just for cross play.

[@chainclaw07]

14:20 Does Elden ring have crossplay? if not do you want this product to be released 7 months later to achieve it? even IF ER has crossplay, the multiplayer experience is wholly different and therefore the netcode might be underwhelming - which means they're limiting it to the same systems...

[@rodanandme]

i like how you could approach the new game solo but the main bosses that are new being balanced around three people makes me a little anxious to hop in during the period between release and a balancing patch

[@bossmandude6720]

Reminder that Miyazaki is working on something else guys. This is sort of a side project to experiment with. It makes sense that they’re reusing assets.

[@thefriendlessgamer8552]

No lore or Limvale is the underworld for all those universes.

[@vaibhavsrivastava9417]

I think it's great they are trying and experimenting with new stuff. Even if it is Fromsoft's first real miss, innovation and learning would lead to further evolved ideas.

[@Sir_Slimbread]

The "Reused Assets=Bad" Crowd is so annoying. Sure, in some cases reusing assets is lazy, but I don't think these people realize every sequel to every game ever has reused at least 25% of the assets from a previous game(unless there's like a 10+ year, and a console generation or 2 between games). If devs had to make all new assets for every new game all games would take significantly longer. On another note... I fully agree with your Multiplayer Fromsoft opinion(because I share it exactly). I'd be down to co-op a Souls game with some family or friends, but I have absolutely no desire to PvP. I play all Fromsoft Games in Offline Mode, because there's nothing worse than trying to play the game, then out of nowhere some dickhead spawns in, with the most meta PvP build possible, and kills you. If Souls Games didn't have the Offline Option I wouldn't play them.

[@Limxuv]

I'm pretty excited about a fromsoft roguelite because of how rich the world of elden ring is and what they have to draw from but I'm also wary of how it could fail with the execution of such a drastic shift in genre

[@ijustsawthat]

Max Vs Vaati This is the best timeline indeed.

[@z34567890123456]

It’s a FromSoft game. Of course it’s going to be good.

[@rionofbahamut9751]

I can kinda get why the lore heads would complain about DS bosses showing up, but from a gameplay aspect I don't see the problem. One thing I have heard people wishing for is a kind of "boss rush mode" a way to refight fun battles as much as we want with different builds and this kind of gives us it. Do your run fight fun bosses, change your character/relics/whatever and try it all over again as much as you want with some all stars from previous games. If there was a game type to do the asset flip the roguelike is THE place to do it openly and without shame.

[@DarohaRavenholm]

Thankfully, in an interview with Nightreign's director, Ishizaki, he states that the in-game reason that DS bosses are in the here is because they were pulled from other worlds by the Night Lord. It's worded somewhat ambiguously, but it seems like there is a True Night Lord whose power is why the space Limveld exists in is so unstable. EDIT: Didn’t realize Vaati addressed this, someone was talking over the video when i typed this up, and commented before going back to hear what I missed lol.

[@JNPSachiel]

As someone who loves Capcom's Dungeons and Dragons and Elden Ring, I am already sold with Nightreign.

[@ThePickledAuthor]

As someone who isn't the biggest online player with strangers, I'm glad there's a solo option it seems!

[@DarknessInferno15]

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there. Not having character customization is a huge blow for me. I'd be fine with losing all stats and gear, but not having character customization kinda sucks.

[@rickn6923]

I have no question that from soft will deliver an excellent experience

[@wheretheresawill798]

Honestly, this is intriguing. Because I like the idea of Souls games, but just don't have the hours available to devote to them. But a rogue-like like this that lasts maybe 45 minutes, is a nice bite-sized option.

[@TheDGDeagles]

This definitely feels like a potential testing ground for future Soulsbourne ideas

[@IN-tm8mw]

Fortifications and Traps would be a big attention getter for me with this type of gameplay. GOW horde mode had me hooked with the gameplay loop.

[@YourDevastator]

The grinding lands await! Haha super excited to try it!

[@chainclaw07]

16:20 - so - this would mean that the "dota" was randomizer mods to elden ring and then Fromsoft made Dota 2 with Nightreign.

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

This game could be really fun if they keep adding to it with DLC. Like a new map, new bosses, new heroes, new weapons, etc.

[@usamimi-no-majo]

Looking forward to it. Considering I've put over 100h+ into Hades 2 early access(amazing, btw), I can see myself spending a similar amount of time with this...IF it sticks the landing.

[@jonathonsalazar3177]

I personally never had an attachment to my souls character only sekrio cause he’s an actual character that has story to him

[@-RogueBlade-]

I think regardless of this game being a big hit or mid this is good experience for fromsoftware team on implementing multiplayer functions/features for the longhaul. So I'm happy theyre taking the risk. Its healthy for game devs as well as the longevity of franchises to experiment to a certain degree

[@RynKen]

I'm not big on multiplayer co-op as an expectation, but an Elden Ring rouge-lite sounds amazing. I'd happily re fight Nameless King, Centipede Demon or Duke's Dear Freya over another Fetid Tree Spirit.

[@Kastafore]

Max watching a Vaati video. Man what a crossover xD

[@Omnimon152]

I don't know what to think about this. I will wait to see more. I would love to see people doing coop on this, but I want to play solo for my own playthrough. Both options should be available.

[@neros_soren]

Man...when you have to explain ppl that Counter Strike and DotA started as free mods, made by community members....we old :( And yes, DotA was a WC3 map, which spawned a huge DotA clone time, with LoL right in there. The appeal of League, contrary to every other clone was simple. It was aimed at casuals, because you didn't lose your money on death. It's the only real big difference.

[@QuiloWisp]

Finally, an Elden Ring multiplayer session where one guy doesn't just stand at the side and actually contributes. I hope.

[@FirstNameBasis_]

So what I'm hearing is risk of elders. Sounds pretty cool to me.

[@HunterForHire422]

Probably. Glad they're trying something different with their souls format. Id rather not just assume its bad because its different

[@dylanwins9839]

Idk how people remember where stuff is on replays of ER. I immediately made a new character after my first playthrough and found it more fun than the first. Riding around the open world is my favorite part

[@cle2]

My theory is I think their goal is actually just to bring in new players to the souls genre. When u Think about it Roguelike players are only one or so steps away from souls players. We’re not afraid of repetition or difficulty. For me personally the only thing that stops me playing a soulslike is the gameplay. So they create a roguelike to entice me and get me more accustomed to the souls flow. Then the next time they release a souls game. I’m more likely to be into it. The other clue is the presumed budget . Sure they’ve put a lot of cool thought into roguelike gameplay. But all the assets are reused. They’re not REALLY tryna make roguelikes now. Theyre just repurposing what they already have to both profit and market their real games. I think it’s a smart move.