The Real Episode 400 w/

[@LtSMASH324]

Max finally gets on the show and JP *still* hasn't finished Rebirth. Feels like we'll never get the spoiler discussion video.

[@MuuMiFin]

I know right..

[@impotenceaura]

Max has been on numerous other shows talking about rebirth. Check out the ff7 round table with Schroedingers baby seal, Max, nightskyprince etc. Really good

[@Violinoknight]

I feel like he's gonna play it eventually coz there's still part 3 coming or.. he'll watch the cutscene.

[@Deminese2]

At that point its JP's problem.

[@lillewilleman]

We won't. At this point most of the magic is ruined, people who have played it are starting to forget what happens in the game. While i still think a spoilercast would be great, it will probably be nowgere near as cool as the first one. At this point it would probably be mostly Max just teaching a class on what happens in the game. Which would be entertaining, but doesn't have the same magic

[@raphwolf]

Congrats ya'll on 400 episodes. Always informative and entertaining, listening to people who love games talk about them with such passion.

[@RomnysGonzalez]

This was such a fun episode to watch. I watched it live and i'm watching it again because is such a joy to hear him talk about the things he's passionate and loves how he promote fighting games everywhere

[@LaymensLament]

Huge respect to Max for using his personal wealth to fund a passion project, supporting creatives, the mod scene and creating something exciting for fighting game fans. An extraordinary effort!

[@999imo]

P

[@lilfuzzballa]

I love Max! I hope you guys bring him back to talk Monster Hunter Wilds after it releases.

[@exfaux]

Hell yeah, been waiting for the Max episode!

[@deepak-ui5li]

What a great episode, especially the tail end. Thank you.

[@blairfggk120]

Max milesstone accomplishments in the fighting game community are nothing but amazing phases in between ❤ can’t wait to see what’s he Gonna to do next!

[@nicademous6396]

Great episode! As a new dad this video was amazing! I love when yall nerd out and forget how much time has went by.

[@chiseledmedal2634]

1:28:08 back in the 360 and ps3 era it felt like that shotgun approach especially with the xbla(Xbox live arcade) stuff

[@travesssmalley]

JP, glad to hear you're making more also streaming on KZbin without much extra work because I much prefer YT.

[@losvikings2584]

See?!!! Even Max upload longer vids because he knows we like longer videos. Cohh plz make your vods longer than 30mins

[@mrtecnhimuyo]

fuckin' right

[@baloo82]

I disagree, ever tried fast forwarding on an Apple TV in one of JPs behemoth vods? The gentlest touch can send you an hour or two back and forth. 😢

[@zeneage]

Just watch cohhs playlists? The video auto rolls onto the next

[@esaedvik]

@@baloo82 Solution: Stop supporting Apple.

[@zachm2331]

@@esaedvikHello, Steve Wozniak’s smurf account. 😂

[@milioner55]

I'm waiting for the Max and Carnage FF VII Rebirth discussion so much (and maybe JP if he finish it finally)

[@scartioantolare5825]

I'm gonna be honest if I'm watching a stream and and 4+ mins of ads pops I'm going to a different stream 100% of the time.

[@TheWindwall]

Great show, guys. Hope Max's mod works out well. Love passion projects.

[@Techstriker1]

Glad to hear others mentioning the point games don't need to be more expensive, they need to be made cheaper. Meanwhile, GTA6 over here dropping billions. God help us all.

[@MrDfrose]

Man I feel lucky still having a functional Adblock that works on twitch. I could never get on board with all these ads.

[@esaedvik]

Same, Privacy badger+Brave Browser's own AdBlock seems to do the trick for everything except pre-rolls, which I haven't seen in ages either for some reason.

[@KillianC1C2]

I really hope Astro Bot does incredibly well cause it's amazing. I also hope this slaps Sony and PlayStation in the face to wake up and make a change. I love their big AAA third person single player stuff, but Astro Bot shows that variety is just a welcome change. Maybe PlayStation could lend their older IP to smaller teams, or maybe work with other big companies like Sega to do it. Imagine a Wipeout made by Sega. They could also have their own first party studios adjust so instead of just working on one big thing, let them form smaller teams within. Have those smaller teams work on smaller games while the big thing stews in the background. Then when all the small stuff is out, you get the big thing out. SONY I'M GIVING YOU FREE IDEAS PLEASE. It makes me think about the old Shawn Layden (former PlayStation Worldwide Studios president) speech he had about Vib Ribbon at E3. Where he said it wasn't a million seller, but that wasn't the point. He praised Vib Ribbon for being unique and different and said it embodied the PlayStation spirit. Sorry I'm a huge fan of classic PlayStation and this game got me really emotional remembering it lol. I love their PS4 output of course, but classic PlayStation just hits different.

[@BlackTone91]

Yeah force them to grow bigger studios and work on IP they don't wont

[@KillianC1C2]

@@BlackTone91 I mean some of their studios are already big. Naughty Dog today is maybe around 400+ (at least as of 2023). Just have multiple teams of maybe 50-100 people that work at ND already to work on a smaller thing game. They did something similar when finishing Uncharted 2; one team did Uncharted 3 and the other did Last of Us

[@BlackTone91]

@@KillianC1C2 ND is working now on 2 games on the same time but not on some od IP because nostalgia

[@Groove_Gamer]

Concord overshadowed APB's 140M (adjusted for inflation) failure, so much so that you can still play APB and it has more players than Concord did while it was up. Just wild.

[@rebx12]

Thank you as always for a great show.❤ it's makes my Sunday to watch you guys

[@dsagent]

1:05:20 What movie was Cohh talking about where the AI is still going around booming cities?

[@eobet]

I’m also wondering! (And also, Cohh saw a movie!? It’s probably very old then…)

[@ReelPodcasts]

I have KZbin Premium since like day 1 of Red. I spend so much time on KZbin it's literally worth it's weight in gold. If I spent more time on Twitch I would totally get Turbo but I don't.

[@Darkasasin80]

If I were to start streaming I would 100% run at least 5 minutes of ads an hour. I'd want to take that 5 to stretch, move around a little, get a drink, bio break, etc and I would like to give my viewers the same courtesy. I think 5 minutes an hour is completely reasonable.

[@Deadfistx12]

Ok Max is here let's go!!!!

[@esaedvik]

The Twitch ad conversation is so absurd, like how could a company take care of their moneymakers worse? They don't listen to feedback, constantly hinder all kinds of operations with terrible new features (hello, mobile app) and then they won't even provide statistics for monetization optimization? and most streamers don't even have a Twitch contact...

[@TwistdTrip]

I look forward to these podcasts every week!

[@James-u1y]

Really enjoyed the episode JP!

[@whatlmao]

my only problem and the reason i stopped watching cohhs youtube is BECAUSE they're only 30 mins long, i want the whole vod in one vid

[@VorpalSnak]

Redeye takes the vod off Twitch immediately. So annoying. Why can't the vod stay on Twitch?

[@shadow12k]

@@VorpalSnaknot being an ass. “Money”

[@zeneage]

​@@VorpalSnakthey can't stay on twitch because twitch has proven they cannot be trusted with content rules which can potentially lead to people being life time banned from the platform (it happened before). Cohh said he cannot risk his career for even a small chance of this so all vods get removed from twitch untill some guarantees are made

[@zeneage]

If you watch the playlist the videos auto roll onto the next one, is that so much of an issue?

[@Deminese2]

@@zeneage Yes its annoying. What if you just want to scroll through the vod and find key moments.

[@washburntelecaster]

great episode guys. Nice wisdom zeke.

[@meesanime]

Welp, i know a catagory for the end of the year dropped frames episode: "Fumble of the year"

[@swedishZ0mBi3]

Sweet something worth listening to when I go for a walk later! Thanks for uploading to yt.

[@Justjoshinh]

Meant alot to me to see Max share his love to manvsgame. good luck on your travels Man

[@soulserrated]

Good on Max for doing that. Im not much of a fighting game guy myself, but ill watch people play it. GG Max

[@MellowFriese]

If you do YT Vods instead of 30 min Uploads from Twitch, couldn´t you not just put in chapters into the 4h vod to make it easier vor the viewers ???

[@James-u1y]

They aren’t instant, KZbin takes time to actually implement them, chill out

[@moodmusic4life]

I'm pretty new to dropped frames starting with the thor episodes, i had no idea ezekiel always sounded like that.

[@zeal4glory]

Most of the criticism I saw about concord both before and after it released was about the characters. You can't expect a hero shooter to succeed if no one cares about the heroes. There is no time this game would have done well because of that alone. Would any of the big name fighting games still be around today if their characters were designed like concord characters? I don't think so. Regardless of how you feel about that, the gaming community spoke loud and clear with the rejection of this game. It sent a message to game developers they'll never forget.

[@lampad4549]

Why didnt people care about the heroes?

[@EastyyBlogspot]

When it comes to the cost of making games i 100% feel its a time and management issue, there are so many examples of gaming taking so many years with constant changing of plans and no clear constant vision and sometimes even full rebuilds and as the old saying goes ...time = money

[@capercrusader7129]

Crash 4: It's About time sold 5.5mil copies and still a failure in Activision's eyes then cancelled Crash 5

[@Machobunni]

that moment Cohh confused Burke with JERICHO. JERICHO was the one who had the issue with streaming on YT and it tanked his video metrics

[@shadow12k]

Also said Kai only does sleeping streams. He’s in his boomer phase.

[@Elidan1012]

@@shadow12k he did not say he only did sleeping. Just commented on the adds being done during sleeping stream.

[@wolvie90]

I haven't been hard into a fighting game for a decade now, but me and my roommate used to play UMvC3 constantly, must've done literally thousands of matches. Since then I've always got a tiny itch whenever something new comes out but I've never taken the plunge again because it's such a commitment and playing online 1v1 stresses the fuck out of me.

[@kephalai]

should have waited until 404 for the funny number :D congrats guys

[@BartvG88]

Can’t wait for episode 42069 in 801 years!

[@mysticmoose6123]

Light No Fire hasn't even come out yet. How can he say it didn't do well? He had to mean 2020's the last Campfire. and shit thats Overwhelming positive. So...... What the heck was Cohh talking about.

[@WadeDMcGinnis]

1:21:04 Look at that image, carefully.

[@remy4320]

I find myself to be downloading more content again, because im not gonna pay a service to watch ads

[@ericscasny9312]

I can only catch Dropped Frames on youtube. Almost never watch on Twitch. FYI

[@golith999]

YT>Twitch because the vod system is easier to manage. I do go YT live streams over twitch because of the quality. Also the ads are easier to get rid of on YT

[@monkinator]

Great episode!

[@aaronz1023]

You guys are awesome! 👌

[@varianngaming9403]

They did make a good game, they made astro bot, do you actually think if they remastered fucking jumping jack or Ape escape today it would sell? Stop finding negativity where there is none, Astro Bot is amazing, it's not a graveyard, it's a celebration of past games.

[@vincesergi7339]

The Borderlands movie budget was 110 million dollars and is being regarded as the worst movie of the last few years. You dont need these bloated budgets to make good movies or games.

[@VorpalSnak]

Borderlands Director Eli Roth always wanted to do a big, fun sci-fi movie, something that was a mix of Fifth Element, Barbarella, Escape From New York, Star Wars, Mad Max and Starship Troopers. Yeah.

[@PickedaName_]

They could've cut costs on the cast but a Borderlands movie would always have a large budget because it's an adaptation of a story about a group adventuring across an alien planet.

[@Aeiredan]

I wish they would've mentioned that melee weapons have combos and parrying. Max would have been instantly more interested

[@rodrigocardosodanca]

What happened? There was no frames drops in the opening! Is it fixed?

[@NooJies]

For the multi-streaming stuff, may I recommend bringing on Ludwig at some point. He runs a super successful KZbin channel, while have a twitch background, so I think he'd have the best insight on the live/vods/edited video affecting the channel metrics/algorithm and what it means when you split your viewer base.

[@baseballjustin5]

I'm on the KZbin side, mainly because I don't have time to watch full streams all in one go, and Twitch Vods doesn't keep track of view timing, (as in when I leave the twitch app, it forgets where I stopped watching, so its annoying to continue later, because I am small brain... (might be fixed now)) and all the ads on Twitch, both live streams / Vods. Yes, I could go pay for Twitch Turbo, now that they actually push it, and it's easier to find, but I already have KZbin Red (now premium, but I have had it since Red), and most people post their vods on KZbin now, even if they cut up some stuff and throw it up separately. And I'm ok with watching both. But I'd rather watch the full vod rather than clips. Hence why I'm here. I was getting all the Pirate Software Dropped Framed Clips, which were fun, and I wanted to see the full context streams. And I'm glad I'm here. I'll here almost every week, may have to catch up a couple weeks, but thabks for the great content!

[@elidamonsterz4222]

LETS GOOOOO MAX

[@WackoWambo]

Bro why did max camera stop working?

[@BartvG88]

I dunno it just started dropping frames

[@GiBiT14]

Yooka Laylee (The Original One) was such an enjoyable Platformer that is forgotten

[@LinkinParkConnoisseur]

Cant wait to try out space marine

[@TycoPazifist]

I think to finally understand youtube (e.g. why streaming kills the algorithm placement) the guys should find a way to have The Spiffing Brit on the show and talk youtube with him... maybe after CIV 7 releases to have a second topic :P

[@halsti99]

i think i remember ludwig saying that youtubes algo hates VODs being on your main youtube. You will have a ton of viewers that dont watch it, and a ton of viewers that only watched a tiny part of the vods. most of your viewers of that stream will have only seen a tiny percentage of the "video" that is your vod. it makes youtube assume your clickthrough rate is now suddenly really bad, if your viewers are suddenly only watching 1 hour of a 6 hour video VOD.

[@Sellout1738]

Thanks Captain

[@shadow12k]

Edit: 1:53:09 “just sleeping streams” bro WTH is this? I never even heard of ibai. Apparently he’s a big league streamer. Yeah, coh nobody will know that dude outside of league. I’ll bet that most people on in this comment section will know who Kai is over ibai. I always find it weird when a streamers like coh won’t give Kai his flowers. Does he need to bring God himself on stream?😂😂😂

[@RogueNewbie]

Cohh's initial guess for 25-99 concurrent: 2 minutes. After JP's answer: yep, all my research has confirmed, 4 minutes. 😑

[@libramartin]

I'm not sure if I'm in the youtube crowd cause I'm "old" or cause I'm in the EU and often when I turn you guys on on twitch you're usually not streaming :/ JP has a schedule that helps , do you guys have schedules per time zone?

[@vsrobojoe892]

the whole Concord situation and Sony Execs being totally disconnected about how Astro Bot is proof they have viable IPs they could pull from is really showing how the soulless, money-first, generic regurgitated aspects of late-stage capitalism have finally fully come into gaming and I really think that Sony and other Video Game Execs will not learn any lessons from this and just continue to double and triple down on games as a service generic shit in an attempt to recover and make more money. Fucking nightmare

[@lampad4549]

Its so odd, at one people wanted the ips to be left alone and not milk, and now fans want their beloved ips milked.

[@chiseledmedal2634]

1:10:21 yet no Haze

[@gink04ytube]

ZEKE!! please play Tactical Breach Wizards!

[@ActionHank]

Would be nice if Zeke went to the place in Utah I've seen that specializes in everything vocal cords and throat. I imagine they would find out what the problem is and get Zeke to speaking regular again.

[@aduboo29]

One day someone will tell Cohh he means 'Parallels' and not 'Tangents', that word does not mean what he thinks it means. In fact a tangent is basically the opposite of what he's trying to say. 😂

[@91mmafighter]

Did JP just mention the Spencer comment and never talk about it again?

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

1:25......Zeke its HIGH Risk, HIGH Reward , Low Risk Low Reward, NOT Low Risk High Reward. hahaha if that was a thing NO One would ever invest in anything else but that. Why would you?

[@crimsonpassione3422]

That quote was mistranslated jp, he said they don't have enough original ip in media and streaming.

[@GiBiT14]

Sony better not cut Astro Bot before we get a PC Port. It'll sell better on PC than Playstation

[@felixenigma4335]

Concord is clearly one of the reason Ryan got “ retired” and the Sony is pivoting the whole ship again. I just don’t understand the narrative about “ the people at the top not facing the consequences “. The CEO of Playstation for fired over this ( in combination with the Bungie drama). As for the developers, it sucks when your creative vision fails but they been making this game for about six years before Sony ever got on board. They believed in the vision and they were a fairly small to midsize company. There vision just kinda suck and was aggressively bland while still managing to piss everyone off. I never nice for people to lose their jobs but this trend in games media that is unable to be critical about failures from developers is getting silly. Not all success is in spite of C- suite nor is every failure their fault. Sometimes, for whatever reason, your creative vision is isn’t any good.

[@zeal4glory]

Yep. The fact they didn't even mention the character designs in this game was weird to me considering how many people talked about it both before and after it released. Its like theres an obvious elephant in the room and no one sees it.

[@lampad4549]

​@@zeal4gloryfor some people its only devs fault.

[@BradKallhoff]

I finished the third book in the Horus Heresy. I haven't experienced any other Warhammer. The first book was all I needed to experience to understand why I would read a 64 book series. I'm feeling major fomo with this game because I want to experience the Horus saga blind. I'm scared of spoilers haha. 64 books is outlandish, but I'm fucking in.

[@Maradum]

The discussion about video game costs and time to make was interesting but it was also really strange that no one talked about the "why" in the first place. The highest cost and time issues come from high end graphic chasing and high end 3D model/asset creation. Also a bit weird that Nintendo is not mentioned once in the Astro Bot section. This is basically Nintendos business model for years.

[@reivincentbacquiano8685]

So many fishing and fishes 😊

[@xIronPonyx]

Max is the best!

[@Hlidskialf]

I love watching max at 2 fps

[@Marlyn-Swordfish]

Don't really like the take on astrobot as it clearly a celebration of the ps history but moreover did not expect JP to fall for clickbait headline and to not do his research because when you read the interview it clearly is not what jp makes it out to be. Heres the actual excerpt from the article - “Whether it’s for games, films or anime, we don’t have that much IP that we fostered from the beginning,” said chief financial officer Hiroki Totoki, who is widely seen as Yoshida’s successor, in a separate interview. “We’re lacking the early phase (of IP) and that’s an issue for us,” he added, noting Sony has historically been better at finding a global audience for content that have already become popular in their home market. Excited to see max though, hopefully we get more of him .

[@itmeJP]

Keep watching 🙏

[@Marlyn-Swordfish]

@@itmeJP Well seeing more of it I do want to tell you team asobi is safe from a hi fi rush situation since they also do R&D for ps consoles and controller too, also I guess it just fel a little weird but makes perfect sense that you would be talking more about the impact of the game than the game itself :)

[@Berelath]

So its space marine *2

[@aarond8295]

Wonder if Zeke even talks to man anymore.

[@REDIVY78]

Capgod is back

[@zoubachan]

Astrobot was amazing! Only thing that could have made it better for more would be 50 bots devoted to Final Fantasy characters.

[@zug-zug]

I wonder if anyone on DF has seen the trailers for Forever Winter? I'm guessing Cohh and JP will be interested...

[@MuuMiFin]

It's going to be hard to pick industry fail for this years game awards 😂

[@bombon9674]

wukong needs a map because the level design is horrendous. chapter 3 is the best example of atrocious level design. too many invisible walls. too many open areas that don't make use of the open space adequately. it's big for the sake of being big. too many samey looking areas with side branching paths that winds back to the same area. just awful awful level design.

[@lampad4549]

"Too many open areas that dont make use of the open space adequately" what does that even mean? The level is pretty clear about where you can go and where you cant. "Samey" wonderful feedback that makes game devs inspired to get better.

[@adamdothunt]

Is Ezekieliii okay?

[@CriseldaPeixoto-t4s]

Dibbert Lock

[@alphadelta141]

I still disagree that preventing the Yakuza actors from seeing the games was a bad play. I think they are trying to get genuine reactions to the wacky stuff like Kiryu had in 0 and kiwami 1, something that doesn't really happen in the series anymore because nothing really phases Ichiban. But I will still approach it cautiously since its very hit or miss for live action game adaptations

[@SublimeNotions]

It is weird they are harping on about the value of turbo and red, when adblock exists and is free.

[@zachq9005]

Hell yeah Max! You're a gift to the FGC and that was even before the MvC3 bounty and the MvCI Overhaul. Keep rocking and remember to take downtime.

[@BigPaandaa]

Shoutout to the giraffe in the beginning

[@itmeJP]

Cow* it’s from @AlveusSanctuary

[@Hlidskialf]

If I'm watching twitch and I get one ad, i'm out.

[@trixiesauce]

minor borrowing vehicles????

[@lilfuzzballa]

Grand -> Minor, Theft -> Borrowing, Auto -> Vehicles

[@kharacon]

JP is 100% correct on the contradictory lore for 40k by different authors. The beauty of the setting is that the uncertainties of warp, and lost knowledge make everyone an unreliable narrator. So different authors & rulesets have license to use the rule of cool while making things consistently inconsistent.

[@deadso]

It's consistently an unreliable narrator

[@lampad4549]

Damn if only marvel fans had this level of cope.

[@Darkasasin80]

If you don't care enough about what your watching to sit through a 30 second ad why are you watching it in the first place? I detest ads that's why I have YT Premium but even if I didn't if I couldn't tolerate a 15-30 sec ad I wouldn't be watching it in the first place. Saying you won't tolerate something so minor is the epitome of entitlement. It shows a distinct disrespect for the stability and longevity of the platform you're using and the creator you're watching. If you are unwilling to support the systems that bring you content then do everyone else a favor and don't engage with it to begin with. This is especially the case when it's as simple as watching a short ad. The tone of this might come off a bit more aggressive than I'm intending though. I just find some of this to be ridiculous and frustrating.

[@chalando6124]

I am astro bot... As...tro...bot.

[@johnokland1652]

So the KZbin thing for multi streaming I think is bad for people who say make a 10- 30 minute highly edited content normally on KZbin and then switch sto streaming cause the retention the average viewership ect all goes down so you need to start out doing streams and vods so you don't mess with your stats and dump yourself out of the algorithm or you can start a streams and vods Chanel why do you think Mathew Patrick had game theory and the game theory live channel one of the most prominent behind the scenes Chanel management guys as well as giant personalities on the platform seen this issue what like 8 10 years ago and came up with the solution and people are to thick in the skull to fallow in those footsteps? And yeah KZbin could fix the streaming stuff blah blah blah you wanna cry about it or do you wanna do the best you can in the current environment?

[@Choteron3]

The idea that aaa games are to expensive to make profit is a total falacy. They make ton of money but the problem is that these big companies sold to the investors the idea of infinite growth and that is impossible. Like Stephanie sterling said, they dont only want your money, they want all the money of the world. It will never be enough for them. We saw it at activision recently when they had a year record for profits but they still fired ton of devs.

[@lampad4549]

Nah scrub aint all that, the bar is just so low for medical accuracy.