3 things I LOVE about the Prophet Rev2 (and 2 things I HATE)

[@django-music]

There actually is a way to easily dial in precise values. The Value button on the left is using a different type of encoder with a higher resolution. So first you dial in a rough estimate of the value (cutoff for instance) and then you use the Value button to finetune. It does take some getting used to but it works, at least for me. Thanks for sharing another great video!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@django-music amazing tip! I didn’t think of this but that’s fantastic!

[@bikepedal11]

i didn't know this either. thank you!

[@MadelnMachines]

Does it have any kind of live panel mode for programming from scratch?

[@bozziewald]

​@@MilesAwayOfficialCan you please do a moog voyager tutorial! I still don't know how to use it..

[@RayyMusik]

⁠@@MadelnMachinesUnfortunately it doesn‘t have a live panel mode.

[@IamKojak1984]

Thanks!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@IamKojak1984 thank you so much!!

[@andreievkalupniek5717]

It is great that you talked about the binaural capabilities and Voice Component Modeling - these are the greatest strengths and love the patch at the end.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Totally agree those were my big takeaways of what made it special!

[@ppppapy]

I really really appreciate and love the videos you make about synths and music stuff. Inspiring! even from miles away . . .

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Awesome, thank you for listening and watching 😊!

[@brianlespoir6287]

I have a Pro One, Pro-2, Pro-3, Take 5, OB-6, Prophet 08, REV2 and the Prophet 08 and REV2 have always been my favourite, because I love that Curtis filter, the 8 voices and all the versatility. The P'08 has been in everything for the past 14 years and the REV2 made it even better. I hope that they make a Prophet 6 REV2 with all the features the REV2 has.

[@kierenmoore3236]

The REV2 seems to be an improvement on the P’08, in every way … So I’m curious why you still have both? Some people will say the REV2 and P’08 sound exactly the same (core sound, I mean - i.e. ignoring all the REV2’s added features) … others will say, that the P’08 has a darker sound … others still, that the REV2 has extended low end/lower and upper frequencies. What do you think? How would you describe the difference(s), if any, in their core sounds? Cheers!

[@final_mile_music9713]

Interesting. I don’t like the Curtis filter at all.

[@brianlespoir6287]

@@kierenmoore3236 I just don't like to sell my P'08, the price people are willing to pay for it is just not worth it and I just can't sell it. I still like to use both at the same time and it is full of presets that I made in the P'08 that I love to use and yes, the core sound is a bit darker and more raw even fatter. The filter seems to be more distorted on the P'08 and I love the metallic character, that the REV2 has less of it. The REV2 is more smooth and easier to tame. The P'08 was my first Dave Smith Sequential synth and my favourite synth of them all, it was in everything, paired it with the many Moog's and Korg synths that I had. I know it better then anything else and I think you need that background to hear and understand the differences in the core sounds.

[@brianlespoir6287]

@@final_mile_music9713 The filter is hard to tame and creating smooth sounding presets can be hard. I like to use the raw, metallic sounds and mix them to be smoother. It has become easier with the resonant filter EQ's like Soothe 2 and then you have the sounds that are unique to the P'08.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@brianlespoir6287 Awesome, thanks for sharing your thoughts. 🙏🏼😎

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

Great video again, Miles. I’m glad you included the work of Creative Spiral in your video because I think his work and his free preset templates do a great job of loosening up this precise digitally controlled analog synth in a very musical way. So much so that I have not felt the need to replace my Prophet 6. Using the Value knob in conjunction with the potentiometers goes a long way to mitigating the tweaking issue you described. That leaves us with the filter. It’s the same one in the Prophet 12 and it gets criticized for being brassy. I’m personally good with it but I’m glad I have an OB-6 too.

[@IamKojak1984]

You pretty much nailed it with your description of some of the main strengths and weaknesses of this synth. I've never thought about why I don't "connect" to the Rev2, but I fully agree with your views here. At the same time, totally blown away by the sounds you create with it. Sound absolutely incredible... I also love your playing.

[@Essjay88]

One thing I don't think you mentioned is how the rev 2 and i think other DSI / sequential synths respond so nicely to poly aftertouch. Great video and nice to see the Rev 2 get some love!

[@unseenjungle5386]

Great Video and Tunes as always! Thanks Man!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Thank you so much!

[@christopherjanzen]

Thanks for sharing! I'd love to see a Miles Away x Jay Hosking collab!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@christopherjanzen something fun is in the works! 🤐

[@Kaffimusic]

I did not expect you to have a problem with the dial regarding of precise values (but value knob, you know, a guy before me already mentioned this). But I expected you to mention EXACTLY that problem, about the "not deep/not moving sounds", because of its digital precision. Well, that is exactly the GAIN of it, it can be precise, but not precise as well. Others can only "not precise". The slop and detune don not really do the trick, yes, you are right. Somewhat, but some magic mojo is missing. But you found out about other tricks. Good! I tell you another one (what you can not do on most others, at least non digital synth): Change the octave clarity. You can detune the keytracking of the OSCs to less than 100%. Try a tiny bit less and it starts to wobble in itself, without LFOs and even without the second OSC. And you can even modulate that sh%&t. It will go out of tune too much once you leave the set center key/playing area, but it sounds pretty "vintage" then. You do not need to repeat all that trickery to make it moving like it should do for an analog synth. You just make one or two default starting patches, that have all the necessary stuff in it and go on further with those. Is the Rev2 "the synth" for everyone? Most likely not. But it can cover a lot of ground and therefore is a "good deal" (compared to other Sequential stuff). In my opinion it is one of the best deals they have. It´s cheaper than the other upper class synth but is able to do so much more than most of them. I think this is one of the best synth Sequential ever made. Modern and classic as well. I expect it to become exactly that - a modern classic. But well... there are other companies as well, no need to stick to the pricing ideas of Sequential. And... I think the FX section is not up to the level and pricepoint of that instrument. In fact I think Sequential should be ashamed of that crap.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Great comment! Love this approach, those are some really cool ways to work around the limitations creatively to make it even more versatile!

[@Kaffimusic]

@@MilesAwayOfficial You get this wrong. The REV2 has less limitations as a OB6 (as an example) that costs more and can do less. "The" sound is just easier to achieve with a OB6 since it wobbles.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@Kaffimusic totally! Limitations is the wrong word, I should have said “working around its sound quirks”

[@Kaffimusic]

​@@MilesAwayOfficial 😆

[@JimmiG84]

One advantage of the Mix knob instead of separate level controls for the oscillators is that you can easily crossfade between two oscillators using a single Mod Matrix assignment.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@JimmiG84 very cool use case that I had not thought of! Love this!

[@MO-fb8oh]

Love the demo in the beginning! Are you planning to do a REV2 preset pack?

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Possibly! Its not my synth, it went back to the owner. If I can re borrow it I will

[@atomfaust]

I adore mine.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@atomfaust right on! It’s a beast!

[@oledokka]

I just got the Rev 2 16, and I love it! My background is fine art, for me the «extra 5 seconds of fine tuning» is TOTALLY on process. Immediate results has never been a part of my creative process. Ever. :)

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@oledokka amazing! Yea I totally acknowledge that for that kind of sound designer like you this is the perfect synth!

[@trebleboost7]

It is a fantastic live synth that just mixes so so well. I have my son’s 16 voice in my little studio keyboard and glad he hasn’t collected it yet!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Right on! Yea I can imagine the keyboard version is a joy for live shows !

[@johnnybegood2693]

I like it for sharp, static electronic sounds.. you have to take care of the high frequencies, it sits easily in a mix lacking prominent lower (vintage) mids - all in all a very versatile Prophet

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@johnnybegood2693 well said!

[@pooshNchums]

Thanks for sharing! Would love to see you do a review of the Pittsburgh Modular Taiga some time. Hope you can get to it 😊

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@pooshNchums that one has been on my list for a while! I was chatting with them for a bit but it never went anywhere, will definitely do a video if I can find one!

[@pooshNchums]

@ that would be amazing. The Taiga needs the Miles Away treatment 😊

[@loweroctaves]

Thanks Devin for reminding me why I bought one years ago sold it bought another one and sold it again. I’ve always wanted to love the prohet rev 2, but there’s just a harness to the tone you can’t escape.

[@DankePlace]

I am just glad I got rid of mine, it just wasn't getting used so traded it for a Hapax. I know the Rev 2 have gone up in $ but they're simply not worth it. The difference in what I paid for the Rev 2 and what the asking of a Hapax was $900, yes the Hapax was 900 more so the choice was obvious, have something sit there and do nothing, or get something that will change the way I make music. Rev 2 will not be missed, I made some great tracks with it, but I just find the Take 5 much more inviting to use, and the Hapax trade was the icing on the cake. Thanks for the upload.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Totally! Don’t hold onto something you don’t jive with. That was me with my Elektron boxes. Felt so good to finally sell em away!

[@DankePlace]

@@MilesAwayOfficial 💯♾

[@Gerald_Daniel]

Cool that you pointed out the main differences so quickly, since many feel the REV2 as an almost full OB(X)8 replacement (& more), what's simply wrong & something that the REV2/Prophet 08's forefathers with about the same chips (Oberheim Matrix-6/r/1000) too failed to achieve. REV2/P08 indeed come from modified CEM 3396 chips. Certainly one can partly approach it from a patch perspective after endless tweaking but to mimic patches is actually the opposite of an objective sound comparison because if one badly pushes to make something sound similar one will mostly find a way internally &/or externally.

[@Normanion]

Hi Miles, I want to start my comment with note that I am aware that what I am stating here is highly subjective and based on my values and pursuit. I guess we have similar experience with Rev 2. :] I had it for some time. And while I appreciate its specs on paper, this one kind of reminds me of my Tempest - when you say that there is nothing else like it, I think that Tempest has quite large overlap (of course, one can point to differences, which there are, of course). Now, why wouldn't I want Rev 2, while I have and like Tempest, then? Let me explain... My three favourite synths, that I have, are: 1) OB-6 2) Prologue 16 3) Modal 002 While OB-6 is my most inspiring synth, it's not only because of its filter, but also cross mod and brilliant user interface. Prologue feels alive from get to. To achieve my starting point in Rev 2, I had to work for it. And I suffer from that kind of mind, which gets distracted by sound I am in. Like when you try to remind yourself a song, and someone tries to help you, by singing his/her ideas, and that overrides what I had in my head. Same happens with programming synths. So in order to work with Rev 2 I had to embrace its character and move quickly. And to live with "stiff" oscillators and go in other direction, for pleasing results I was left only with plucks or percussive sounds. No pads, no leads. For that: I have Tempest. This is what I meant earlier. :] I appreciate people, who can work with it and I very much love, what Hania Rani does with her 08. It has unmistakeable character, that can be easily recognised in certain records. Another point. I think that you would LOVE Prophet X. It has 16 VCFs that have far better character (I will remind here, that everything I wrote before, now and will write later is subjective, so I am omitting words like "IMHO"). The patch also has two layers, but this time each layer can be stereo and can be programmed like that. What I found interesting is that I came to it prejudiced after my Rev 2 experience, but I found it joy to use instantly. It isn't my top 3, and probably I also like Modal 008, Summit and Waldorf XTk more, but that is very hard competition to beat in my book. Apart from that, I think that Prophet X has all the modulation advantages that Rev 2 has (except gated sequencer), BUT: has better sounding filter, better effects, more stereo capability, and... better sounding oscillators, which are panned in mixer section, and samples (it kind of reminds me Tempest, when I think about it now - in that it has two DCOs and two digital short samples). There is free pack of several multi sampled VCO synths. And Replicator (sampled Deckard's Dream) pack blows me out of socks. What I wanted to tell you is that if I read you correctly, and I associate myself with most things that you put in your video, I think that you could love Prophet X and I wish you to at least have a chance to play one. :] Cordially, Norman P.S. Oh, one more thing about Prophet X. Pitch and mod wheels are supplemented with touch strips! While Sequential pronounced it dead, I am still hoping for final update, that would bring "Vintage Knob" macro to that instrument.

[@Kissed1982]

the high resonance on 4pole and cutoff at zero through unison with a chain of grungy effects (overdrive/saturation) can get you some wicked acid. Do it on a sequence/arp and give it a shot. With a 2 octave difference (C2/C4), it's dope af

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Ooh great tip! I could actually seeing this be amazing for acid

[@vaportrails7943]

If I recall correctly, the 2-pole filter on the REV2 is non-resonant. Meaning it has no resonance.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@vaportrails7943 makes sense! It sounds really anemic

[@ilovecatsandsynths9702]

Great review on a feature packed synth. I wasn’t aware it has 3 envelopes until I saw the panel in your video. How are the effects in it, compared to the OB-6 or TEO-5’s effects? Ok, or meh? Have you had a chance to try the Take 5 yet?

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

FX are not great! Worse than TEO/Take. I have a Take 5 now! I like the raw sound a lot more personally than the Rev2, but no binaural mode and way less voices. Video soon!

[@ilovecatsandsynths9702]

@@MilesAwayOfficial Look forward to that video. I love my Take 5!!!

[@fewunderstandthis7355]

Have you checked out any of the UDO synths? Digital oscillators but otherwise analog signal. The stereo capabilities are next level

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

I'm for sure doing a UDO video soon! Ben reached out, just working out if I can get a loaner where I am or if I will buy a B stock directly from them. Stay subscribed!

[@peterkenney9158]

@@MilesAwayOfficialcool. Which model? I have the Super 8 and it’s lovely.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@peterkenney9158probably 8 or Gemini! Glad you love it, I’m very stoked

[@peterkenney9158]

@@MilesAwayOfficialaside from the fewer voices, I much prefer the cleaner layout of the 8. Hoping UDO do indeed offer the voice count upgrade mentioned at launch.

[@kingadammusic]

Can the Summit be tweaked to compete with the character of the Rev2? I feel like every single Summit demo I've heard is dark where as the Rev2 can have texture and clarity. The Summit is smooth but the Rev2 really shines in comparison in the patches I've heard. I listened through the Luke Neptune Synthwave preset videos for each and you can really feel the difference. I'm not a sound designer and I want one of these purely for writing and recording music. Not worried about FX as I have meris flagships as well as big sky, Sloer, Juliana etc. I just don't want dark and muddy synth tones 😭 it's like the Summit has a presence knob turned down. Aside from workflow, would you prefer the Rev2 sound/character over the summit? Or does adding eq/filter after the summit actually get us there?

[@raskinlex]

i think when you spoiled with best flagships around you on a synth market REV 2 doesn't represent too much value, but if you cant or don't want sell your kidney for flagships REV 2 and SUB 37 come to my mind as a best combo for two affordable analog versatile synths . i have a OB6 and REV 2 and despite gorgeous tone of OB i still think REV 2 can shine when you know how to tweak it. OSC mix has some advantages especially for modulation of mix between two oscilators

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@raskinlex well said! I always try to be as objective as possible since most of my viewers seem to be in the market for the best sound, best features etc. So I did have to point out the cons, but I totally agree, value wise the Rev2 is incredible. Sub 37 is my most used mono synth of all time, it’s on all my records!

[@JimmiG84]

Unfortunately the price of Rev2 has gone up so it doesn't represent the same great value IMO. When I bought my Rev2-16 a couple of years ago I was also considering the Summit since they were about the same price, just under €2k. Since then Rev2 went up by €900 (almost the price of an entire UB-Xa!) while the Summit went up by less than €100. There are a lot of them on the second-hand market but you end up paying almost what they used to cost new. I agree that Rev2 is a great workhorse synth alongside one or more "character" synths. I think the "harshness" or whatever is a bit overblown. Sure if you crank the resonance and leave the filter wide open it will sound harsh (like most synths do), but it doesn't take much effort to program smooth, pleasant sounds.

[@patrickey5552]

Just give us a Pro3 with 8-16 voices, and I think we would all be happy! My Pro3 may be my best sounding synth. Anything that comes out of it sounds great as a starting point. Better D to A's perhaps. Roland's OLD S-760's, or even their JV-880 to date myself, had better outputs than subsequent models so they just sounded more transparent sitting in a track.

[@final_mile_music9713]

The Pro 3 SE is Dave Smith’s best ever synth. I’m not kidding. I just sold my Prophet 10. I’ve had a Rev 2. Didn’t like it. I like it as much as my Matriarch.

[@embazle]

@@final_mile_music9713 wow. I had my eyes on the rev two for a long time. My friend has a pro three. It does sound pretty amazing. He was comparing that to a sub 37 which is also very amazing and I own it and I love it however the pro three does have something very unique about the sound. It be a blast. If it had that many voices. Appreciate hearing you two commenting on this

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

I seriously need to get a Pro3! I didn't love everything about the Pro2 but the workflow and ideas were just incredible on it. Poly Pro3 would be incredible

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@final_mile_music9713 wow! As someone who might buy a P10, what didnt you like?

[@legrandl.5224]

I'm not trying to fly a 747 just want a good synth that's simple.so what synth you suggest?

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@legrandl.5224 Korg Prologue, Sequential Take 5 / Prophet 6 / TEO-5/OB-6

[@opticalman6417]

how many sounds can you play at once with that do it have multi mode ?

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

2 sounds at once, it is Bi Timbral

[@duleyws]

Great video! As a former Rev 2 owner, you articulated the downsides very well and ultimately why I let it go. It is a great package overall, like you said a workhorse, and I loved having the 61 key version which felt amazing to play. But it just wasn’t enough sweet spot for me, and I found dialing in patches tedious, which took away the fun of owning an analog poly. The 3rd Wave comparison blew me away - I’m considering one myself. Also looking at the Super 6, Moog Muse or TEO-5.

[@AngelWildBlue]

I'm on the fence between a REV2 and a TEO 5....and I just can't decide! I won't buy both, just one of the two....but which one!!! 🙃

[@AudioLomtik]

Have you tried a Prophet 6? Hearing some of the things you don't like about the Rev 2, I think that one might grab you, it's very immediate. Not as versatile for sound creation, but for immediacy and great sounds, it's kind of hard to beat and remains one of my favorites. I do also have a Rev 2 16 voice I adore, but part of what I like about it is the key bed feel and aftertouch response. Rev 2 is one that always seems to never really be the star of the show but sits so well in a mix and does what it does in a way I can't let mine go.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

I adore the Prophet 6! Check my review on it from a couple years back :) I prefer the P6 overall, but great feedback about the keyboard version of Rev2 being a winner

[@masonjahncke7844]

I just returned the prophet rev 2 yesterday back to perfect circuit. It just felt flat to me and there is something about the oscillators and filter that didn't fill great to me at all.. Too bad as I really wanted to like this synth. Well I guess I can always just buy a 3rd Wave. At least I know that synth won't feel flat or not inspiring.

[@js-sp8fu]

My Rev 2 and granny sit next to each other. I wish the rev 2 had the ease of the granny. I want an on-6 too. The filter on the rev 2 is so much harder to tame than the moog.

[@eTERNIAN69]

Dude well done captured the magic for sure ❤

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Thanks a ton!

[@paulmapp8306]

Im actually considering replacing a P6 desktop with a 16 voice Rev 2 desktop..... I have the 3rd wave, and also an OB6 and P6 (desktop). I recently brought in an OBx8 desktop (and have the OB6 for sale, while there different I gravitate towards the X8s sounds) and also a Muse. Now - I always preferent the P6 over the OB6 for my tastes, but the OBx8 actually gets a lot of the more prophet flavored sounds than the OB6 did - and the Muse is really brassy so gets that aspect as well - between the two Im now longer using the PO6 anywhere near as much, and when I do it doenst sound as rich any more lol. I was thinking P10 BUT the lack of FX put me off (as well as the X8) for a long time./ I have an FX solution for the x8 - but wouldnt have for the P10. My thinking is OBx8 for really nice fairly basic sounds. Muse for more complex sounds (as it have much more modulation and some FX). Those 2 cover VCO. 3W does 3W as a hybrid - then the Rev 2 for its 16 voices and DCO (as I dont have a DCO synth currently). I dont know though - its that filter as you say... it is what it is and will be different BUT will I just end up not using it because of hat ore sound. I dont use that much high resonance though, and If I did I could use the other synths.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Interesting! I have played all of those besides the Muse, and I must say I am going to get a P10, not a rev2 or another P6. For me personally the 3rd wave does the rev2 thing better than the rev2

[@Iofflight78]

The Prophet 08 is harsh, this is not what I want in a synth however that said Rival Consoles absolutely takes that quality of the Prophet 08 and works magic with it.

[@markus6409]

High resonance sounds great on the rev2. The filter sounds here better than on synth like the pb. Tge pb is a synth which has problems with this kind of high resonance overtone sucking shimmer. But not the rev. It has dco's and while tweaking you've been struck by its stiffness. But yeah you can tweak it. I am not a fan of like a synth for every sound aspect. The rev2 us a evolver. It has a lot of tools for movement. If you are into that there is nothing better.

[@romanukas]

Now we ask for Take5. REV2 vs Take5 is a dilemma. Both are sound design monsters. Take5 sounding closer to P6.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Take 5 video soon! Spoiler I personally prefer it over Rev2 (just my opinion)

[@RayyMusik]

I‘ve had the Rev 2 16v keyboard since 2018 and found some more cons: 1. Yes, the filter and the oscillators. They don’t sound bad per se, but in direct comparison with a P5 or P6 they sound *relatively* cheap and tinny. 2. No vintage knob. VCM with the gated sequencer is tedious and limited to 4 destinations, e.g. 2 OSCs, Cutoff, VCA attack time. The rest has to be set up in the mod matrix which, with only 8 freely assignable slots, is too small anyway. VCM eats up these slots! 3. No global LFO for vibrato etc.. 4. The FX are really bad and prone to digital distortion. That said, the Rev 2 is still my workhorse synth. The 16 analog voices are unrivaled by any other analog synth I have and open up lots of possibilities, e.g. my ’Tony Banks organ‘ with four ’drawbars‘ out (in stack mode) and even a half-way usable ‘Leslie‘. Last but not least: the Rev 2 keyboard has another/better (?) Fatar keybed than its siblings, 5 octaves, more light-weight and with better controllable aftertouch.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@RayyMusik late reply but great write up. Totally agree with this. I can see it being a fantastic main workhorse

[@jjrusy7438]

that 12:26 bass note........ edit: just to add, my synths, especially analogs, sound better in person than on youtube. i watch a ton of vids on something before i buy it, so i definitely notice when i get the actual synth. that bass note had serious dimension, right through youtube. my wallet is begging me to never listen to this in person. more edits: i was thinking about bass. i LOVE bass. i think i buy all my synths for performance and bass. re these prophets. i could almost justify having a take5 even if all it could play was factory patch 1 and the "big knob". Also some of my other synths came from other creator videos like the ms1 and first uno pro , which is amazing actually: 3osc, dual filter and good bass, and the star of the most good bass was grandmother.......but ya that 12:26 bass note....

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Haha it’s amazing for bassy binaural pads eh! If you like that sound, definitely check out my recent OB-X8 video. To me it’s the king of that binaural pad sound

[@ftlaud911]

Rev2 is a great sound design instrument. For me the core tone just doesn't click for my taste. My OB6 sounds great to me right away while the P6 takes a little more time to dial it in. Once dialed though the P6 sounds great. I feel fortunate to own both currently. I may add an OBX in the future (almost bought during sale) to get that fat OB stereo spread, but couldn't swallow the high cost. Great review by the way!!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Totally feel you! I go for that same taste. P6 I really miss, but this Rev2 I don’t really miss it

[@tombasports]

I just could get with the filter

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

you like the filter or no?

[@MadelnMachines]

That OB-X filter destroys the Rev 2. Is that the same exact filter as the TEO-5? Did you find out a to have a 'live panel mode' like the other sequential synths

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

I didn’t see a live panel mode! And it’s not the same filter but it’s close. Check out my big Ob comparison, I got sequential to answer that and more questions

[@SamLibman]

11:45 The Behringer UB-Xa also has bi-timbrality with 16 Voices. An absolutely incredible synth. Great video! Peace.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Gotta try one

[@souvlak1]

great vid miles^^ have a question, when you stack A+B you still got all voices? eg 8 voice version would not reduce to 4 when you stack both layers? Also, the main volume its just one instance? or can be different from layer to layer

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@souvlak1 thanks! No, you always lose half your voices in Binaural mode on any synth. That’s what binaural is; you create duplicate patches hard panned L and R and the analog imperfections create an incredible stereo field. That’s why high voice count is a big advantage

[@souvlak1]

​@@MilesAwayOfficial back again, already saw your last vid about the best 2024 gear jj i received my prophet rev2 a few weeks ago and i can tell the only thing i do not like (for now) it is the osc1/2 mix knob, how they couldnt add two ind knobs😫😫 so my next purchase im debating on moog matriarch and solar42. Have a great holidays!!🎉

[@ZozillaThaGreat]

Exellent !! can you confirm that the LFO4s are Poly only and can not be set to global (one of my cons also)

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Pretty sure there's NO global LFO, if there is, I couldn't find it or how to set any of the LFOs to global :/

[@ZozillaThaGreat]

@@MilesAwayOfficial Ouch , strange .... i usually love poly LFO 's but sometime i need a solid sync ... Thks , have you tested the prophet 12 yet ?

[@js-sp8fu]

There’s a hack for global LFO: press down 16 keys (yes, use your arm) and then press unison. All lfo’s will now be synchronized. When you turn unison off the lfo’s will all be on the same phase now. Patch will not save this so you’ll have to do it every time

[@discombob93]

PolyBrute 12 also has extensive binaural + unison control and can also do just about anything with placing voices within the stereo spread space; not to mention that keyboard!! The sound isn't exactly for historic purists of what Sequential, Roland and Moog put on all the old records, but has its own sound that goes into a few places they don't, and can be shockingly "evolving" especially with all the myriad of controls available.

[@discombob93]

I later saw in this presentation where you didn't like the tweaker's aspect of the Rev2 as much, and that could potentially be a problem with the PolyBrute. Sweet spots are there, but they kind of need to be worked-toward if what you want is per-unit speed of character to keep the creative vibe driving forward... UNLESS you setup templates in the PolyBrute Connect app, which is really nice and allows remote control of almost everything.

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Very cool, I must confess I didn’t know polybrute 12 does binaural. That makes it a lot higher on my list!

[@towersofasia]

Sold mine for an OB-6! For me, it was a case of less is more :)

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Right on! Still my fave sequential synth!

[@payt01]

The Rev 2 is awesome. If they ever come up with a Rev 3 with a multimode filter, a few more FM things such as cross-mod and slightly sweeter sounding oscs then they'll have pretty miuch the ultimate polysynth on their hands :). having said that, I do love my Rev 2. It actually holds up pretty well against the Prophet 6. You did touch on a slight issue though, which is the coarse tuning pots. They cover such a big range that the slightest touch changes the pitch. I suppose a smaller range would result in better control and less sensitivity and fewer sudden jumps. Also the price really has gone up since it was released in 2018. I bought my 16 voice keyboard for 1800 euros. The same synth now fetches 2900, which seems a bit crazy to me. ETA I wrote this while I was halfway through the video, and then you went on to make the exact same points.. lol. Oh well great minds think alike I guess!

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

@@payt01 great comment! I totally agree, and I actually didn’t even think about the price since this was a loaner but wow , you are right they have gone up a ton.

[@infestedalien]

One thing that suprises me very late is that REV2 do not have random as modulation source... I happen to get into this discovery when you show gate sequenser as pseudo random function. At least from what I can read from the manual. Haven't started my REV2 to check it right now...

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

That is surprising for sure if true, sorry I can’t remember since giving it back!

[@infestedalien]

@@MilesAwayOfficial Thank you Miles! It's fascinating how we are inspiring each other in the synth community. Your video led me into a path of discovery here on my REV2. First of all yes it was correct there ain't no random but there is a work-around I found. That is you can set an LFO to S&H and enable sync and then put it at lowest freq this will trigger a new pseudo random step for each keypress. Other thing was that mod matrix assigning LFO to OSC pitch was way to high even in 1 as amount value but when setting the amount value from directly from LFO and not mod matrix it becomes way smoother. And regarding that you didn't enjoy not being able to set exact values can be done by turning the value encoder to the left bottom at the display after you tweaked the param knob you desired to fine tune. However now I discover another thing I hope sequential will patch into future firmware (if any comes) that would be the random as source and also where the .... is the osc fine tune destination 😆Thank you for the video! I know it takes lot of hard work to make these and I enjoy all of them also I finaly got my hands on a Oberheim TEO-5! Having great fun with it but will of corse save up for an OBX8 also.

[@LouisvilleTorn8o]

The filter in 12 DB mode on the Rev 2 sucks. It has very little resonance even at high settings. that's why I'm considering getting a TEO5. The other thing I don't like about the filter is that it can't be driven no matter what mode it's in. also there is no oscillator FM on the Rev 2 and no vintage knob. I have a Rev 2 and I like it, but I wish they would give us more improvements than they have with the OS updatesand I like it, but I wish they would give us more improvements than they have with the OS updates..

[@MilesAwayOfficial]

Great feedback! I agree with all this. 12db filter is super disappointing

[@JohnnyADi]

I'd rather pay for the 3rd wave desktop I have than recieve the prophet rev 2 for free. I could probably get similar sounds with omnisphere or my Korg Kronos. The kronos is probably the best for analog sounds from an all digital synth, it has the signature korg bright DAC and has both korg ms20 filters, the trident/Polysix ssm2044 filter, 24db 4 pole filter, and some others all digital, wave table synthesis, analog modeling, and sampled analog. I wish SSI made a true ssm2044 replica instead of the digital sounding 2144 that's in the UDO Synths. Their ssi2140 is a replica of the old prophet 2040 filter that's in the 3rd wave and prophet 5/10. And they even made the best ever digital sem filter for the 3rd wave, sem is the more valuable than Curtis of the 2 oberheim signature filters. Nobody seemed to like Curtis, it's best examples were always in oberheim Synths, as you expect to come from Bob coover, the dsp engineer that worked at sequential for nearly every current production prophet including the dsp work for the rev 2. They wanted the 3rd wave to be extremely intuitive in both desktop and full form factors so they added the 4 encoders above the screen to reduce knob count. Because he's also now the current head of apple spacial audio, of course the 3rd wave does the binaural sound effects really well.