MILGRAM / Mikoto - Double [The Second Trial Music Video]

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MILGRAM -ミルグラム-

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@furomaguro
@furomaguro Жыл бұрын
すごい勢いの「お前のためにやってやるよ!!」から始まって生まれたことによる「ごめんなさい」で曲閉めるのすごいクる
@tukihotaru2193
@tukihotaru2193 Жыл бұрын
確かにすごいね…「最初のお前のためにやってやるよ」は二重人格のジョンまぁ言ってるみたいだけど最後に「ごめんなさい」のところが『ミコト』なのか『ジョン』なのかわからない位絞り出すような声で言ってたけどもし『ミコト』だったら本当は全部知っていて現実逃避してる可能性もあるね…
@user-kakikukeko.
@user-kakikukeko. 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@tukihotaru2193 ハイライトが上にあるからミコトかな…?って思ってる。 ジョンはハイライトが目の下にある
@jeower
@jeower 9 ай бұрын
⁠@@tukihotaru2193думаю, это Микото. мне кажется, что начинает осознавать, если ранее не знал, про Джона. он начинает понимать, что делает что-то неправильное и, как мне показалось, бежит от всего этого. в конце Микото буквально выдавливает «мне очень жаль», возможно, показывая, что действительно осознает что натворил и пытается извинится, ведь действительно все это время не знал о своей такой «сущности».
@tagamekenmchi-so7yv
@tagamekenmchi-so7yv Жыл бұрын
第一審ボイスドラマの時にエスを襲ったのはただジョンの性格が凶暴だからだと思ってたけど本当はストレスからミコトを守るためだったんだな…
@おみかんマン
@おみかんマン Жыл бұрын
「なあ、俺は救いたかったんだよ。なのに何でこうなんだよ」があまりにも辛すぎて泣きそう
@Re-s4z
@Re-s4z Жыл бұрын
第一審のときに、ミコトの裏人格がミコトに協力的なのか、主人格を乗っ取ろうとしてるのかどっちなんだろうって疑問だったんだけど、ダブルとボイスドラマを聴いて、本当に心からミコトを想っているのがミコトの裏人格(ジョン)なんだなとわかってから、ミコトのこともジョンのことも大好きになっちゃったな。MeMeの「ボクが僕を救ってあげましょう」も、ダブルの「俺が救ったハズだろう」も一片の嘘もないジョンの気持ちなんだよね ミコトが辛くても無理して笑って、ずっとずっと頑張っていたことをぜんぶ知ってて、ミコトが壊れる前に守ろうと救おうとして生まれた存在だからこそ、ミコトが赦されるなら俺が全て背負って消えるって選択をするのはあまりにも愛じゃん……。いま自分のせいで追い込まれているミコトを見て、「生まれてきてごめんなさい」って思うほどに苦しんでいるのもジョンなんだよね……… いまミルグラムという監獄に入れられて本当になにも知らないのに悪者になって追い詰めれているのは実際ジョンのせいだし、衝動的に赤の他人を殺したのはどうやっても赦されないことで、それを知ったミコトはジョンを憎むかも知れないけど、エスがジョンの気持ちに触れたようにミコトにも、どんなに辛くても絶対に自分の味方だった友がいたんだってことを知ってほしいな、と個人的には思ってしまう
@Deity_Seifina
@Deity_Seifina Жыл бұрын
CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE ANIMATION THE TEAM HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH SINCE THE FIRST TRIAL IT'S INSANE????
@rachrel5457
@rachrel5457 Жыл бұрын
FR THIS IS SO GOOD
@shihosakihate
@shihosakihate Жыл бұрын
Real!!
@uwu_ptc
@uwu_ptc Жыл бұрын
YEAHH
@akgentiv
@akgentiv Жыл бұрын
REAL
@roxs6557
@roxs6557 Жыл бұрын
its insane, we went from awkward fuuta slide walking animation and a bunch of slide shows to HOLY SHIT MY MIND IS BLOWING UP
@SouziHAdekimasen
@SouziHAdekimasen Жыл бұрын
今更気づいた歌詞の終盤人格が交互に喋ってたんだ ミコト(覚えてないんだよ) ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト(苦しかったんだよ) ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト(なんで…なんで……) ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな…」 ミコト(なんで……なんで) 〈ごめんなさい〉だけは双方が別の人に向けた言葉なのかもしれない… 追記:ミコトサイドの声がジョンの声より遠くから響く様な音なのを思うに この瞬間は表に出てるのはミコトで 身に覚えの無い殺人を突き付けられて苦しんでる所をジョンが”内側”から俯瞰で聞いて「仕方無い」、「俺が全て悪い」と言葉を並べているのかなと感じました そしてその末の「ごめんなさい」
@kyu-suke3468
@kyu-suke3468 Жыл бұрын
ジョンのパートが多いことで ミコトが起きてる時間が減っているのを表しているのすごくいい
@ぬそや
@ぬそや Жыл бұрын
0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい。」 「職務を放棄するつもりか?」 時間が(恐らく午前)0時35分ってところからしてもチーフクソ上司すぎる
@Jess-kj6bo
@Jess-kj6bo Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@eleatreezero
@eleatreezero Жыл бұрын
🙏 thank you!
@user-ox2vv1tu7f
@user-ox2vv1tu7f 3 ай бұрын
それな。でも実際広告代理店は長時間労働をしている所が多いからな...難しい問題だね。
@れにるい
@れにるい 28 күн бұрын
ミニグラムでもミコトはブラック企業にいたからね
@iivantill
@iivantill Жыл бұрын
2:01 "hey, I just wanted to save you, so why did it come to this?". i'm crying all my tears rn.
@Manga678Shiro
@Manga678Shiro 4 ай бұрын
Most real comment under this video😭😭😭😭😭😢
@hiccupsland
@hiccupsland Жыл бұрын
I sure hope everyone is NORMAL and WELL BEHAVED this time
@StrawberryHerring
@StrawberryHerring Жыл бұрын
The live chat was going crazy lol But yeah it was pretty tame... atleast until now.
@sesmo_TheCryptid
@sesmo_TheCryptid Жыл бұрын
Don't count on it, the fangirls are gonna go crazy
@mhaoreax6585
@mhaoreax6585 Жыл бұрын
⁠@@sesmo_TheCryptidas a fangirl can confirm i will be going crazy(already am)
@StrawberryHerring
@StrawberryHerring Жыл бұрын
@@sesmo_TheCryptid As someone who's friend is a fangirl, I can confirm she's going nuts right now.
@104Momo
@104Momo Жыл бұрын
If the live chat was any indicator? no
@まぬるぬぬ
@まぬるぬぬ Жыл бұрын
つまりこれ、俺ミコトくんからの僕ミコトくんへの熱烈なラブソングってことでOK?
@user-zs3te5pw8c
@user-zs3te5pw8c 3 ай бұрын
👍
@Habbymer
@Habbymer 10 ай бұрын
People still forgotting that all prisoners ARE guilty, we're just deciding If they deserve to be forgiven or not
@evisl.w6552
@evisl.w6552 10 ай бұрын
Yuno I think that was her name isn't outright a murderer she had a lot of abortion which technically means she didn't kill anyone in the legal sense of the word, the same could go to Mahiru who's boyfriend decided to kill himself due to the toxicity of their relationship isn't Mahiru's fault in the sense of him dying, you could say she did kill him by driving him to that extent of taking his own life or kazui and the fact that his wife decided to kill herself after revealing the truth to her and more, while milgram does consider them guilty of their "crimes"
@LightLavishThought
@LightLavishThought 6 ай бұрын
I think the right term is responsible. Each one, in various ways, is responsible for the death of someone or someones. It's our job to decide whether or not they're guilty or innocent, in the same way that a court might. Guilty? They get punished. Innocent? They still had to go through the hearing. We as a collective can decide whether or not they deserve to be forgiven, but at the end of the day the truth of Milgram is very, VERY subjective.
@Jennet802
@Jennet802 4 ай бұрын
​@@evisl.w6552yes I agree. But we also know that even Mikoto isnt really guilty. Only his other "self"
@purplevoncreep9920
@purplevoncreep9920 Ай бұрын
I don't know why people continue to try preach this like Yuno isn't right there.
@Harpae69
@Harpae69 Күн бұрын
I mean... John was the one who actually k*lled people, but the one being judged is Mikoto, not John, so if we put it like that, Mikoto is the only innocent one, the guilty one would be John
@いちお-h4k
@いちお-h4k Жыл бұрын
「救いたかったんだよ」って歌詞があるんだけど、俺が生まれたのは僕を守るために生まれたから俺は僕を守ろうとしたのに「なんでこうなるんだよ」って気持ちは痛いほどわかるし、「生まれてこなきゃ」「ごめんなさい」と思うほどに僕のことを大切に思ってくれてるっていうところが赦してあげたくなった
@user-cukacukai_ni
@user-cukacukai_ni Жыл бұрын
その気持ちはとてもよく分かります。「俺」は「僕」のために生まれて生きて、誰かを大事に思う気持ちもある。「俺」も頑張ったのでしょう。でも、「僕」のストレスをどうにかするために生まれたなら、「僕」に更にストレスをかけるようなことをしてはいけなかっただろう、とも思います。幼い子に反省してもらうために怒るように、「俺」に「そのやり方は「僕」を苦しめるから、ダメだったね」と言うつもりで赦さないと判断したい、と私は個人的に思います。 拙い文章で失礼しましたm(*_ _)m
@紫陽花-g3y
@紫陽花-g3y Жыл бұрын
​@@user-cukacukai_ni でもミルグラムに捕らえられてるのはジョンじゃなくてミコトだからジョンを許さないって事は出来ないんだよね、今僕たちが判決を言い渡せるのはミコトの事だけだから、
@ニゲロェ゙
@ニゲロェ゙ 3 сағат бұрын
​​@@紫陽花-g3y本当に、それなんですねよ。ジョンに同情出来るか出来ないか、幼いから仕方がないかで、判決決めるのは違う気がするんですよね
@ニゲロェ゙
@ニゲロェ゙ 3 сағат бұрын
ミコトはジョンの存在を知らない訳で、親として…とかも中々理不尽というますか…なので自分はミコトは何もしていないですし、一審も二審も赦すにしましたね。
@さしみ-r8r
@さしみ-r8r Жыл бұрын
2:16 ここ表と裏の会話っぽくて好き ミコト「覚えてないんだよ」 ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト「苦しかったんだよ」 ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「ごめんなさい」 みたいな感じで
@noatmealcookie02
@noatmealcookie02 Жыл бұрын
Oh, you're so right!
@あおい-d1o6g
@あおい-d1o6g Жыл бұрын
会話みたいですよね…!主人格と裏人格で葛藤してる…
@tasuku209
@tasuku209 Жыл бұрын
決してジョンの言葉がミコトに届くことないのがなぁ
@さしみ-r8r
@さしみ-r8r Жыл бұрын
@@tasuku209 そうなんですよね〜ジョンが苦しんでるミコトを見て労りの言葉を投げかけても謝罪しても本人には届かない、一方的でしかないっていうのが…
@CsMsLady80
@CsMsLady80 Жыл бұрын
ジョンは誰ですか?
@hontounonamaehaibu
@hontounonamaehaibu Жыл бұрын
1:19ミコトくんの人格がジョンくんになってる時瞳のハイライトが下になってんの細かくて好き
@塩化銅-h5q
@塩化銅-h5q Жыл бұрын
2:30 でごめんなさいを言ってる時は主人格のミコトってことかな?
@hontounonamaehaibu
@hontounonamaehaibu Жыл бұрын
@@塩化銅-h5q ハイライト説が本当ならそうなるんですよね…第一審の方も見てみたんですけど左右に分かれてるっぽいです…
@LanieMae
@LanieMae Жыл бұрын
I love how the mannequins from the tarot cards in MeMe are back, and they’re in real life and completely destroyed.
@popppyseeds
@popppyseeds Жыл бұрын
Omg yea
@arisadragon2254
@arisadragon2254 Жыл бұрын
I agree. In all second trial mv's you can see references to the first trial. The creators have my uttermost respect for what they created so far and will create
@Yamouri
@Yamouri Жыл бұрын
omg i didnt even notice that :0
@vixenflorafoxflows4155
@vixenflorafoxflows4155 Жыл бұрын
Ohhh I didn't even make that connection!
@EvelynDix-u4p
@EvelynDix-u4p 2 ай бұрын
Do they like symbolize people and the distance between others and the mc?
@りんご-d6m2c
@りんご-d6m2c Жыл бұрын
「俺が守るよ」「もう1人の俺が全部背負うから」って歌詞が全てを物語ってるな…………つらい…
@美しい絶望
@美しい絶望 Жыл бұрын
それな!つらい
@akgentiv
@akgentiv Жыл бұрын
😢
@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o
@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o Жыл бұрын
第一審のMeMeは 自分が2ついるって意味だったのか…
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 Жыл бұрын
​@@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oなんかMeMeの頭文字である「M」がジョンくんを表していて「e」がミコトくんを表してる様に見えちゃう現象がががっ(意味不考察ですみません…)
@hifumiizanamisluvr
@hifumiizanamisluvr Жыл бұрын
Odasaku plushie??! 😮
@niconiconessi
@niconiconessi 7 ай бұрын
ジョンって僕を守るためならなんだってするって言ってて意外と優しくてびっくりした ほんとに推せる
@nui-hari
@nui-hari Жыл бұрын
ダブルの方だけ聴くとジョン(裏ミコト)が殺人を繰り返してて、表のミコトは正真正銘の清廉潔白…って感じだけどボイスドラマで指摘された通りMeMeの時点でなんかミコトの心象風景(タロットカード弄ってた部屋)は廃墟だし、悪魔のタロットが両面表になってたのも怖い 初犯はミコト(表)の犯行で、それが引き金になってジョンが出てきたと考えるとミコトが殺人犯として収監されたことに辻褄が合うような…
@stultusvanitas4562
@stultusvanitas4562 Жыл бұрын
ボイスドラマでのエスの「何人、殺した?」という問いに対して、「記憶にねぇ。その時初めて生まれたもんでな」的なことを言っていたので、その時あれ?と思いました。 殺しすぎて数えてないというのならまだしも、「その時初めて生まれた」という表現は明らかにおかしいですよね。 でも表の方も嘘をついているわけではなさそうだし、初犯の記憶は一体どっちが持っているんだろう…?
@moritukimiya8282
@moritukimiya8282 Жыл бұрын
1:50電車の中で逃げられない状況が、自分の中に得体の知れない物がいるから逃げられない状況でマッチしていて好きです
@こしあん-w4b
@こしあん-w4b 11 ай бұрын
二審絡み始めた新参者だけど、一審で「赦さない」判決してくれた人たちありがとう。おかげでミルグラムに沼れたよ。めっちゃいい曲で何度も再生してる
@美しい絶望
@美しい絶望 Жыл бұрын
ほんとはつらいのにお母さんに「大丈夫」って嘘までついて心配かけたくなかったんだなミコト君優しすぎるよ・・・
@PlantFood_
@PlantFood_ Жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@木下-j6d
@木下-j6d Жыл бұрын
それなすぎる
@SANKAKU-minon
@SANKAKU-minon Жыл бұрын
​@@PlantFood_ MIKOTO didn't talk his mother about his distress because he don't want to cause his mother to worry about him. MIKOTO is too kind to break himself.
@My-rizz-on-cai-is-godlike
@My-rizz-on-cai-is-godlike Жыл бұрын
​@@SANKAKU-minon Sometime, I feel like I see myself in him, I don't want to worry my loved ones with my problems
@tukihotaru2193
@tukihotaru2193 Жыл бұрын
ミコトがお母さんに電話してるところなんだけど何か聞こえるんだけど子供の声かな…けど何かの悲鳴に聞こえるぽいんだけどもしかして辛すぎてミコトの幻聴が聞こえるのかなあ?
@のみ-q5r
@のみ-q5r Жыл бұрын
赦すでいいだろ?って朝にサブスクで聴いた時はちょっと傲慢に聞こえたけど、mv見てボイドラ聴いてこれがジョンのミコトを許してくれって懇願だと思うと胸が痛い
@ゆづき-j3e
@ゆづき-j3e Жыл бұрын
最初の「お前のためにやってやるよ」の声が好きすぎる
@aya.__.n
@aya.__.n Жыл бұрын
1:12〜、ミコト側の硝子にはジョンが映ってないけど、ジョン側の硝子にはミコトが映ってる。ジョンはミコトを想っているけど、ミコトは気が付いてないことを表してるようで泣けてしまった。(ミコトは顔を覆って俯いてることからも考察できますね……。)
@べばぼん
@べばぼん Жыл бұрын
ボイスドラマ内容要約、 ミコトはストレスにより俺(ジョン)人格を作った、ジョンは看守が命名、 ミコトが赦されなかったことによりジョン人格が強く残りミコト人格が消えていっている。ジョンはミコトのことを赦してほしいと言っている、ジョンが全ての殺害を犯したと発言、赦してくれたらジョンは最終的に消えると発言 赦す→僕(ミコト)の人格が残る 赦さない→俺(ジョン)の人格残る 最終片方の人格が消えるっぽい? ぜひボイスドラマ聴いてください!🙏訂正、不足ありましたらぜひコメントお願いします
@popypopy6041
@popypopy6041 Жыл бұрын
どう転んでも、ミコト(ジョン)の体はあと1人(もう片方の自分)を殺さないといけないんだな(;;)
@Toketa_a
@Toketa_a 4 ай бұрын
どうにかお別れにならず済む方法を…と思うけど、現実的に見てこの状況下での二重人格なんて無い方がもちろん自他共に良いだろうし、現実だってそんな都合良くいかないもんな… 正直ジョンを思うと辛くなるし、赦されたミコトがジョンを知った時の気持ちを考えると…… 二人で共有して背負えたら、もしかしたらまた違ったのかも知れないね
@ソラ-e8f
@ソラ-e8f Жыл бұрын
だいぶ狂気的な曲とpvなのに社畜という事実だけでミコトのこと好きになりそう。なかなか推しが定まらなかったけどミコト推したくなってきたわ
@amburg37
@amburg37 Жыл бұрын
this is the best day of my life thank you mikoto kayano for existing
@omoriomoriomori
@omoriomoriomori Жыл бұрын
omor
@mooniecake
@mooniecake Жыл бұрын
I KNEW I WOULD FIND U HERE HELP
@amburg37
@amburg37 Жыл бұрын
@@mooniecakeSHUTU P ZANDER I HATE U /J
@mooniecake
@mooniecake Жыл бұрын
is mikoto preppy.. /ij
@bugmuu
@bugmuu Жыл бұрын
Hai :3
@user-sirose_yuki
@user-sirose_yuki Жыл бұрын
おつかれ , おはよう って、ミコトくんに真っ先に言ってる裏人格くんが1番優しいよね…
@ネアンデルタール人-n3j
@ネアンデルタール人-n3j Жыл бұрын
ジョンがめちゃボコしてんのがデッサン人形なの好き。デザイン系の仕事してるミコトくんの仕事でのストレスをこんな感じで人をストレス源に見立てて殺してたと思うと…🫶あと全体的にミコトくんに語りかけて歌ってるときのジョンの歌声優しくて泣く🤦‍♀️“俺が守るよ”の部分とか優しい声すぎん??!?花江夏樹𝑩𝑰𝑮 𝑳𝑶𝑽𝑬______最後の部分ミコトくんに殺人目撃されて絶望してるジョンの顔も怖がってるミコトくんの顔もちゅき😘
@ペケチュウ-l1i
@ペケチュウ-l1i Жыл бұрын
第一審まで「絶対許さねえ許しちゃいけねえ」って思ってたのに、第二審のボイスドラマ聴いてから気持ちが一気に「許す」に傾き始めている・・・人心・・・・。
@huwarari9926
@huwarari9926 Жыл бұрын
自分も赦すか赦さないか迷ってたけどボイドラ聞いてから一気に変わった あんなん聞いたら赦しちゃうに決まってるやろ…
@makizusi_susi
@makizusi_susi Жыл бұрын
ボイスドラマ聞いて切なくなった ミコトを守るためにジョンは生まれたのに、結局はジョンのせいでまた苦しんでしまってるっていう地獄のループ入ってる…。 エスの優しい声とミコトの明るい部分とジョンのミコトへの思いやりに泣きました
@soleilpeik
@soleilpeik Жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention this but i really have to commend natsuki hanae for his brilliant VA-singing. The stark difference in tone when Mikoto is singing vs when John is singing is stellar.
@merkyuruu
@merkyuruu Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure this entire song is John singing. The lyrics are basically him talking to Mikoto, saying "hey you're going to break, so I'll save you" and whenever there's a first person pronoun it's always "ore" which Mikoto doesn't use. The only part that wouldn't be him is when Mikoto is speaking to his mother on the phone.
@soleilpeik
@soleilpeik Жыл бұрын
@@merkyuruu youre right in that all verses are sung by john. but the chorus repeats its main tune twice. first time 0:37 is mikoto, second time 0:50 is john. its shown visually as well since its mikoto on the screen when this is sung, and john when it switches. additionally in the first part of the chorus no personal pronouns are used, 'ore' is used to start off the second rep for the chorus also at the end, mikotos doing the background vocals when he says "i dont know anything, etc," and john responds with "thats expected, im double," so on so forth.
@merkyuruu
@merkyuruu Жыл бұрын
@@soleilpeik ahh you're right you're right, initially i had thought even if mikoto was onscreen, it was like john watching him and speaking to him. but rereading lyrics i realized which were the lines that only apply to mikoto.
@りさ-m9o1y
@りさ-m9o1y Жыл бұрын
ドラパ聴いてジョンが、ミコトのこと本当に大切だって知れた。 自分が消えてでも守りたい存在なんだって伝わってきた。 ミコトは何も知らない。 もう1人の自分のことも、溜まっていくストレスの発散方法も。 ミコトを守る為に、壊れてしまわないように守ってくれる親友がミコトの中にいるんだよ。 気づいてあげて…
@chzki
@chzki Жыл бұрын
Pointing out some details that maybe you already know: - The messages from 0:12 to the phone call at 0:18 was from someone called "Chief". I can't read what the first two messages are (since they are very long and I can't see them clearly) but the other two are "Hey, come back" and "Do you intend to ignore/abandon/give up your missions/duties/jobs?" -> The "Chief" was calling Mikoto to "come back" to work (so the first two messages might be about work) => Clearly Mikoto was overworking, and this is also a normal issue in Japan. (also Mikoto''s phone wallpaper is the tarot card "The Hanged Man" on his shirt in "MeMe") - At 0:18 and 1:18, the Japanese words are "Good morning" and it seems that Mikoto also saying "Good morning" at those frames too. - At around 1:19, Mikoto is sitting while his reflection on the window breaking down (sorry if I'm not using the right word). The next scene is Mikoto standing up, holding the baseball bat and smashing the mannequins => The one sitting and then standing up with a bat is John (for anyone who have no ideas who is John, he is Oretoko. John is the name Es gave to him, originally from "John Doe"), and also it's clearly a fact that John was formed from Mikoto's stress (that's why they showed him being stressful). - From 1:49 (Mikoto running), the word showing repeatedly is "Dream", and from 2:02 (John walking), the words are "savior" (there is an arrow pointing at John) and "save you". From 2:17 and 2:20, the words appearing are "Double" and "MeMe", respectively. [There are also a lot of letters (I don't even know if they are letters) that are blurry and unreadable appearing with these words, and some more at some other frames) - At 1:53, there's a pair of red eyes and at 2:17, there's a pair of blue eyes, both looking angry. - The lines, "If only I were never born, if only." "I'm sorry." can be seen as John's lines, showing that he feels guilty and sorry for Mikoto. What he did was to "save Mikoto from breaking", but in the end, what he did was still murdering, and since Mikoto has DID, what John did also affects Mikoto. In the voice drama, Es said something like "What John did is considered a sin" (I don't really think it is to blame Mikoto since the context of the sentence is about "What will happen to Mikoto, legally speaking"). I think John feels guilty for something like dirtying Mikoto's hands. (I am very sorry if what I said here is wrong or offend anyone since I'm still trying to get used to DID related terms and English is not my mother language. Please gently correct me if I'm wrong, thank you very much.) - The mannequins might represent the society, the strangers around Mikoto (and it kind of makes senses since John said he killed "some random strangers walking around"). The mannequins are also the same kind that appeared in "The Hanged Man", and since Mikoto is a designer, mannequins was used for symbolism. Overall the MV was amazing I have literally no words. In the end I just want to hug this poor dude he did so much for his family and his future, he really tried his best. Will forgive him for sure. *I edited it a bit after wandering on Twitter and other comments!
@TIME-fe6ne
@TIME-fe6ne Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing all these with us! Realizing that Mikoto and John are singing the song together just makes it sadder :,)
@chzki
@chzki Жыл бұрын
@@TIME-fe6ne yes, especially in this song John sings more than in MeMe. And in Reversible Campaign cover too, makes me wanna cry I wish we could just hug them or sth ; ;
@TIME-fe6ne
@TIME-fe6ne Жыл бұрын
@@chzki and btw even though English is not your first language you expalined everything pretty well! I wouldn't have been able to tell that you weren't native if you didn't point it out yourself. Have some confidence man! Your English is better than some of the native speakers, believe me xD
@belychum
@belychum Жыл бұрын
Omg thank you for sharing so many details, also your English is excellent. Just that it wouldn't be "I think John feels guilty for something like dirty mikoto's hands" but "... something like dirtying mikoto's hands"
@chzki
@chzki Жыл бұрын
@@belychumjust fixed it, thank you for the correction!
@ネアンデルタール人-n3j
@ネアンデルタール人-n3j Жыл бұрын
ミコトくんには過保護で甘いけど他にはツンツンのジョンとめっちゃ優しくてへにゃへにゃしてるミコトくんの双子がいる世界はどこですか??ここにはないんですか???なんて残酷な世界なんだ…
@-syu.1955
@-syu.1955 6 ай бұрын
やめてくれ…やだぁぁぁぁ…
@木村高博
@木村高博 5 ай бұрын
そこになければないので二次創作って()下さい。
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 4 ай бұрын
どうしてジョンミコの平和な優しい世界がないの…?この二人の空間を見守っていたいしその空間を吸いたい…((((
@Toketa_a
@Toketa_a 4 ай бұрын
何それめっちゃ見たい
@-syu.1955
@-syu.1955 4 ай бұрын
このコメでそういうイラスト描いたしまったじゃないか! どうしてくれるんだ!!(?)
@milk_koucha
@milk_koucha Жыл бұрын
ミコトくんの歌って他の囚人と違って伴奏、バックサウンドが特別大きい気がして、ミコトくんの声が聞きづらいんだけど、これはミコトくんの主人格の弱さとか裏人格の葛藤とかを表してる気がして、ほっんとうに作りこんでて好き……。
@melaniecheshire6420
@melaniecheshire6420 Жыл бұрын
John saying he's sorry for fucking up Mikotos life at the end.... Bruh, that was painful. The expression was so well animated 😭❤
@marzdust
@marzdust Жыл бұрын
im pretty sure that was mikoto saying it at the end! mikoto has shines at the top of his eyes while john/orekoto has them at the bottom 🤔
@thatminer7174
@thatminer7174 Жыл бұрын
​@@marzdustit kinda works for both tbf. We know john is sorry and mikoto is likely too
@noahi.1381
@noahi.1381 Жыл бұрын
It works for both honestly and it makes Mikoto so much more interesting for it
@Keijikink
@Keijikink Жыл бұрын
@@marzdust yeah i'm pretty sure he's a people pleaser and that he realised he fucked up at some kind of point, I dont really think John would apologise for protecting mikoto
@DrachedesDonners
@DrachedesDonners Жыл бұрын
@@Keijikink I think John more so apologises for basically getting Mikoto into trouble. also there's the use of 'Ore' just before so I'm inclined to think this was John and not Mikoto.
@ひなの-n3m
@ひなの-n3m Жыл бұрын
ミコトって髪の色が全部ものがってる気がする 就職するから頑張ろうみたいな気持ちで染めた髪はブラック企業でだんだん染める暇も気持ちも余裕もなくなってもう金髪の部分が少なかったり、
@chocomint2619
@chocomint2619 Жыл бұрын
At 2:17, Mikoto and “John” are having a conversation and it’s very sad. Mikoto is breaking down, and “John” is comforting him-But Mikoto is not aware of “John”’s existence, so he can’t hear him. That “I’m so sorry” is most likely an apology from “John” to Mikoto, not for us.
@marydah7392
@marydah7392 Жыл бұрын
Wtf is John now
@kikoruyo
@kikoruyo Жыл бұрын
@@marydah7392 orekoto, his alter “john” was a name given by es if I’m not mistaken
@Redheart709
@Redheart709 Жыл бұрын
i disagree, since we can see which one is in control by their eye shines. mikoto has a shine at the top, and 'john' has a shine at the bottom. best seen at 0:48. also, when the train has bright lights outside, its mikoto. when the lights are black, its 'john'.
@nightsongmoon5641
@nightsongmoon5641 Жыл бұрын
​@@Redheart709but still alters can communicate with each other even if one isn't fronting so this can be possible.
@nazunya
@nazunya Жыл бұрын
@@Redheart709 i agree with all of the proof i just don’t understand why it would be mikoto saying it? the whole bit at the end does feel like a one sided conversation (since mikoto doesn’t know about “johns” existence) and so “john” being the one to say im so sorry makes more sense imo
@マム-n7j
@マム-n7j Жыл бұрын
サムネが 一審では主格ミコト 二審では他の人格が出たミコト どっちもかっこいいなぁ。
@Genko0404
@Genko0404 Жыл бұрын
一審のmv改めて見てきたけど、人格の切り替えとも言えるタイミングで、ルーティン的にミコトが頭を叩いてるんだよな。これが演出でなく、人格の切り替えを意図的に起こして、ストレスを発散しようとしてるともとれるわな。
@一生害
@一生害 Жыл бұрын
それがガチならミコトエグすぎる、二重人格自覚してるのに自分何も知らないなんでここに自分がいるの?ムーブしてるってことでしょ怖、、、
@user-po8po4xq7k
@user-po8po4xq7k Жыл бұрын
これがガチならミコトのことめちゃくちゃすきになってしまう
@あすぱらがす-s1h
@あすぱらがす-s1h Жыл бұрын
バランス取りは俺の仕事か、ってそういうこと:( ;´꒳`;):gkbr
@ぬおぉぉぉん
@ぬおぉぉぉん Жыл бұрын
me meの歌詞の赦すとか明らかに穏やかな方の人格の方が凶暴な方の人格より上って感じだしね
@Nekasa1123
@Nekasa1123 10 ай бұрын
無自覚に自傷行為してたらそれが切り替えのトリガーになった可能性を押したいけど無さそう……てそれかもう一人ボクがいるか……てか頭叩いてるとこが見つけらんねぇ観察力が足りぬ!!
@AMANE_0402
@AMANE_0402 Жыл бұрын
ミコトが二重人格になったきっかけが第2審MVで明白になるといいな。裏人格が主人格を守る為にやった殺人を主人格が罪を負うのはおかしいと思うから救われてほしい
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 Жыл бұрын
そうですよね…ただ心象で我々看守達に思い知らされたくない様裏ミコくんが装ったり記憶を変えてしそうでイヤだなぁ 言うたらムウみたいに時系列をバラバラにしたり信じ込ませるようなこと ミコトくんミルグラムの中でコトコさんの次に赦しちゃいけない(?)人物やから第二審でも赦さないになりそうで怖い 主人格の方を救いたい気持ち分かります……ミコトくんを救いたいし報われてほしいよ…因みに雰囲気ブチ壊すこと言っちゃいますけどサムネのミコトくん… めちゃくちゃ色気とエッッッッッッッッッッッッッッッッッがあっていいですよね
@あおい-d1o6g
@あおい-d1o6g Жыл бұрын
⁠@@helloex-6767わかる…裏人格は確かに赦されないかもだけど、それでミコトくんごと赦されなかったら主人格のミコトくんが不憫だよね…私の最推しでもあるから報われてほしいな… それと、サムネのミコトくんエッッッッッッッチイのめっちゃわかります😇
@Kagu7115-asterisk-
@Kagu7115-asterisk- Жыл бұрын
個人的にこうであって欲しいって言う展開だと、善ミコトが殺人犯して悪ミコトが凶暴なフリというか、凶暴な性格だから俺が悪いことにして殺人を犯した善ミコトの身代わり(救う)になってるって展開がめっちゃエモい。
@K-hj4up
@K-hj4up Жыл бұрын
本当だよ…
@AMANE_0402
@AMANE_0402 Жыл бұрын
みなさんの返信読ませていただきました、本っ当にそれなです…😭実は裏ミコくんが主人格の罪を庇って赦してほしいって言ってたらどうしようとか悪いことばっか考えてしまう…裏人格が好き勝手やったのか、裏人格が主人格の殺人を庇って主人格を守っているのかだとか色んな考察できますよね…!あともう少しなので皆さん楽しみましょう!!
@アヤ-b2h
@アヤ-b2h Жыл бұрын
2:01 次に着く駅が文字化けしている ミコトが入りたい企業に就職して、想像以上に辛い日々を送っていく中で、何を目指せば良いのか、辛い日々の先に何があるのかがわからなくなってしまったのを表してるのかな……
@りんごっゆめゆめ
@りんごっゆめゆめ Жыл бұрын
この曲聞いて胸を締められた‥ 他人格が主人格を守ろうとするけど それは‥守れていなくて‥ ストレスで苦しくなると人は壊れてしまう‥救えたらいいなと思います‥ でもこれは、二次元でもなくてリアルにもあるから‥なんか苦しくなる‥ 身代わりがいないと気持ちを保っていけないのって‥ストレスが少しでもなくなる世の中になるといいな‥
@tri_angel_3
@tri_angel_3 Жыл бұрын
過労によって追い詰められる⇒自分だけでは対応できないレベルまで疲弊⇒防衛機制として解離症状出始める⇒ 解離性同一症になったのかなと。 限界を迎えそうになった中で、無意識のうちの精神を守るために生まれてきたのがもう1人のミコトだった。 解離状態のときの記憶は途切れると言われているから、当然、通常の状態のミコト本人からしたら理解できないことだらけで、結果的に自責の念を覚える。 「生まれてきてごめんなさい」は、そんなミコト自身の言葉でもあり、守るつもりで生まれた自分に対するもう1人のミコトの言葉でもあると思うが、、、辛すぎる…。
@あおい-d1o6g
@あおい-d1o6g Жыл бұрын
すごい…確かに解離状態の時の記憶はない人がほとんどだって言われてますよね…ミコトくん1人が悪い訳じゃない…😢
@liamhunter4154
@liamhunter4154 Жыл бұрын
not how DID forms
@Lucaill
@Lucaill Жыл бұрын
​@@liamhunter4154as a person w DID, I kinda think that maybe Mikoto had DID before, but like 1. either alters went dormance or 2. all of them were fused before the other one formed or 3. the alter was there before it all, but triggered by the stress many possibilities tbh
@HolicChan
@HolicChan Жыл бұрын
@@liamhunter4154and that’s why it’s a story, not real life
@HolicChan
@HolicChan Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me!
@vibealong1191
@vibealong1191 Жыл бұрын
THE WAY HIS THUMBNAIL SITTING POSE IS THE SAME AS “MeMe” BUT WAYY MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW IS JUST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRR 🔥🔥
@rinrinko
@rinrinko Жыл бұрын
YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??
@vibealong1191
@vibealong1191 Жыл бұрын
@@rinrinko YESSIRRRR WMWNAGIGNWIGNWRHG
@rinrinko
@rinrinko Жыл бұрын
@@vibealong1191 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Lee-Tea
@Lee-Tea Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that’s a nice detail
@limebeanz_
@limebeanz_ Жыл бұрын
the thumbnail from MeMe still creeps me out, his eyes looks empty 😭😭💔
@ljtf491
@ljtf491 11 ай бұрын
2:17 noticed how to know who's the one talking in the convo between Mikoto and John. Mikoto's parts has pianos in the background while John's parts are mostly just guitar
@yuzu4322
@yuzu4322 Жыл бұрын
主人格のミコトともう1人の人格のミコト、どっちの感情で歌ってるの分かるのエグくね…?花江夏樹すごすぎる!!
@あおい-d1o6g
@あおい-d1o6g Жыл бұрын
花ちゃんは天才😊
@MeruselonyaRoneaHerloikFamlone
@MeruselonyaRoneaHerloikFamlone Жыл бұрын
(σ°∀°)σそれな‼️
@はぴなる-k3n
@はぴなる-k3n Жыл бұрын
2:09 考察とか全く関係ないんですけど、予告ホームランがとても好き…殺意マシマシじゃん…
@柚季1
@柚季1 Жыл бұрын
考察とか出来ないけど純粋に1審と2審でこちらの心を揺らごうとさせてくるキャラクター性とか世界観とかが本当に大好きだミルグラム
@tobicst
@tobicst Жыл бұрын
The only crime this man committed was absolutely killing it
@pissip
@pissip Жыл бұрын
Truly slayed
@duncanmoore3780
@duncanmoore3780 Жыл бұрын
and those manikins
@Ewhite.06
@Ewhite.06 Жыл бұрын
literally too
@yuiseishino
@yuiseishino 11 ай бұрын
I’m dead (just like the victims)
@davidtitanium22
@davidtitanium22 12 күн бұрын
and by "it" i mean their peanits
@runaru522
@runaru522 Жыл бұрын
「限界シカトして頑張ってたんだな」「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコトはただ認めて励ましてくれる人を必要としていた。ジョンがしたことはミコトの望んだことじゃなかった。とんでもない悲劇だ... それはそうとジョン健気でかわいい
@るっきー-t2z
@るっきー-t2z Ай бұрын
だめだ、聞けば聞くほどミコトとジョンのことが好きになっていく
@かなこ-c3b
@かなこ-c3b Жыл бұрын
1:30 電話してるところの表情が、リアルすぎてしんどい…元々の人格すごく良い子そうに見える
@あめ-m1l5j
@あめ-m1l5j Жыл бұрын
0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい」 「職務を放棄するつもりか?」 憧れてたから尚更辛そうな感じあるなー…
@小甜品法露露
@小甜品法露露 Ай бұрын
ありがとう!
@kanoguri721
@kanoguri721 Жыл бұрын
考察とか全くできないからあれなんだけど、アニメーションがマジでダンチで作画良すぎるのと最後のごめんなさいがどっちのごめんなさいなのかわからないところが良い…… 元のミコトなのか、もう1人のミコトなのか、あるいは双方の言葉なのか……
@p0725
@p0725 Жыл бұрын
好き........ッッ 社会人ミコトが血濡れてるの好き 早く見たいよォ!!!
@Oshigatoutoi-everyday
@Oshigatoutoi-everyday Жыл бұрын
どんな雰囲気の曲なんだろう…イントロどんな感じなんだろう…曲の中心になるのはどっちの人格なんだろう…ああ色々と楽しみすぎる!!
@questpc9083
@questpc9083 11 ай бұрын
I see John as a child who doesn't understand much. His desire to help the main personality. He observes the suffering and, because of his lack of knowledge, comes to the wrong conclusion. And so working hard and not getting the approval he needed (he wanted to be praised, from this line "count me to the savior), John is even more stressed. In the end, he realizes that he was moving on the wrong path. Because he wanted to protect his main personality and not be an enemy to him.
@コロコロゲーム-r2t
@コロコロゲーム-r2t Жыл бұрын
これ、自己防衛の後にまたたくさんのストレスを抱えてまたジョンに自己防衛をさせるという意味で環状線で地獄のループをしている(麻薬のループみたいな感じで)のと行先が文字化けでバグっているのも心が壊れて何もわからないという表現っぽいな。 ミコト自身が根本的に優しいからジョンも根幹にある優しさが残っていてそれに+して負の感情による残虐性やストレスによるものがもう一人の人格として形成されているのかな、、、。 最終的にジョンがミコト自身を守るためにストレス発散でメンタルを戻せると思って暴力に移った可能性があると思う。
@らぴ-b5s
@らぴ-b5s Жыл бұрын
血がついた両手で髪をかきあげた表情天才すぎだろ…!!!!!語彙力死んだわ
@egg-g9t6q
@egg-g9t6q Жыл бұрын
2:27 「ごめんなさい」で最後に映ってるのジョンの方だと思ってたんだけど、電車の外が明るいからミコトだって気づいた。なんとなくその後もう一回それを意識して見たんだけど、2番の「全部背負うから」 1:24 の後のシーンで、電車の外が明るいときと暗いときがある。向かい合って座ってたし、その後ミコトが乗っている車両だけ血まみれになってたから、多分目の前でやったんだと思うけど、曲の最後のシーンも含めて、ミコトにジョンは見えてないのかな?同じ車両にいるのは二人の境目が曖昧になってきたとか?他にも、一番最初の「おはよう」 0:17 が、文字は逆だけど色的にはミコトのセリフっぽいし…ジョンに話しかけてる? 2:11 でジョンが人を殴ってないのに、向こうから血と人が飛んでくるのもおかしいし、これ多分 1:58 と同じシーンだと思うんだけど、ミコト映ってないし、ミコトがやったと考えたら辻褄が合うといえば合う気がする…。 2:16 でついてなかった血が、最後急に二人の右手についてるのも謎だし…。MeMeの方でも「飲み込んだマイナスのイメージが僕を抱き締めてくれたの」とか、ミコト気づいてる?って歌詞が色々あるし、考えれば考えるほど、本当にミコトは何もしていないのかとか、ジョンがミコトを庇っているのかもしれないとかを考えて、マジで悶えてる。ただの的外れな勘違いであってほしい…
@ジュン-i7l
@ジュン-i7l Жыл бұрын
不穏だけどかっこいい 1週間後が待ちきれない!
@ytjunimo9536
@ytjunimo9536 Жыл бұрын
彼が「ごめんなさい」と言う部分が本当に私の脳の良い部分に響きました
@doordonut-.-281
@doordonut-.-281 Жыл бұрын
Same, it did for me as well
@月陽-h4e
@月陽-h4e Жыл бұрын
こんないい曲なのに、 最高のMVと花江夏樹さんの声で終始ドキドキしてしまった自分がいた
@ぱにゃ-v6r
@ぱにゃ-v6r Жыл бұрын
お願い皆ボイスドラマ聞いて...
@chetarisin3035
@chetarisin3035 Жыл бұрын
I've been binging the voice dramas
@木下-j6d
@木下-j6d Жыл бұрын
最高でした……
@ytjunimo9536
@ytjunimo9536 Жыл бұрын
彼のどの「部分」が話しているのかを理解するのにとても役立ちました
@あおい-d1o6g
@あおい-d1o6g Жыл бұрын
聴きます!
@xakerie5762
@xakerie5762 Жыл бұрын
John 🫶
@fishbowl.9399
@fishbowl.9399 Жыл бұрын
Firstly, the song is INCREDIBLE. Secondly, we get some new insight on Mikoto’s internal thoughts. Interestingly, we don’t see the alter(s) and host merge at the end like we saw with MeMe. Thirdly, animation is BEAUTIFUL. Although another thing I find interesting is that there isn’t any tarot card symbolism but we get a phone call in exchange
@justinortiz3951
@justinortiz3951 Жыл бұрын
i might be wrong but at the end of meme i always thought it was his aggressive alter punching his innocent one at the very end which for me kinda fits more with how this mv went with the aggressive alter seemingly chasing the innocent one to try and hurt him more
@iciarsoto8860
@iciarsoto8860 Жыл бұрын
​@@justinortiz3951 I think he was threatening Es.
@mahogania5536
@mahogania5536 Жыл бұрын
​@@buhnanaaaahe's a protective alter after all
@kiwi8725
@kiwi8725 Жыл бұрын
Ok but in the beginning his cellphone wallpaper is the hanged man I think, and in MeMe it’s in his shirt
@ven5507
@ven5507 Жыл бұрын
we sorta saw orekoto and mikoto merge at 0:36, no ?
@dearmybear
@dearmybear Жыл бұрын
wanted to point out, at 1:49 mikoto is running from who knows what, and right after that it’s john with a bat. the angle and just way they run/walk reminds me of horror movies where the victims being chased by the killer
@LanieMae
@LanieMae Жыл бұрын
Actually quite a lot of stuff in Mikoto’s MVs is based off of western horror movies. Especially in meme where he’s in the shower represents how in a lot of movies it’s normally a woman getting attacked in killed in a shower and stuff, possibly portraying that mikoto/John are more of victims than anything or something bad happened in that scene
@kuro02kuro
@kuro02kuro 6 ай бұрын
@@LanieMaei only spotted the psycho reference in the shower scene,, THERES MORE????
@いちお-h4k
@いちお-h4k Жыл бұрын
曲の話なんだけど。第一審の一人称は「僕」だったのに第二審だと「俺」になるの天才
@エル-j1x
@エル-j1x Жыл бұрын
ジョンのおかげやな
@Idealrecorder
@Idealrecorder Жыл бұрын
​​@@pozordeti123voice drama
@なし-c3c8c
@なし-c3c8c Жыл бұрын
⁠@@pozordeti123you should listen to his new voice drama, and you can understand why his second personality is called John.
@euanthomas749
@euanthomas749 Жыл бұрын
Its like John doe
@うま-k7n
@うま-k7n Жыл бұрын
一審目はミコト目線が多いけど二審目はジョン目線が多いからなあ
@木下-j6d
@木下-j6d Жыл бұрын
守るためなのマジでつらすぎる…… ミコトもジョンもがちで好きすぎる
@のの-q2r
@のの-q2r 11 ай бұрын
ミルグラムで一番好きかも。優しい声で激しい曲歌うの良いな。 MVも良…
@kyshyl905
@kyshyl905 Жыл бұрын
The frustration displayed by the both of them is so lit. Mikoto feels confused and in distraught while Orekoto is feeling kinda guilty for hurting the people around him and Mikoto as well despite having good intentions. The song and va is so nice too holy shit
@ilairis
@ilairis Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about why we are judging Mikoto and not 'John'. I currently have three theories about it. 1. We are judging Mikoto's passiveness. I don't think Mikoto remembers much (or at all) of what 'John' did, however I do believe that he may be aware that there might be something wrong but is ignoring it. This is also in line with the differences the 10 prisoners has (faithful and unfaithful, bully and the bullied, etc.). Kotoko actively tries to save others while Mikoto dismisses and denies the feeling that there's something wrong since he's been under immense pressure already and what 'John' did may break him down more. 2. Mikoto is the one who killed. I still don't think he remembers. It's either 'John' was born/woke up from dormancy when Mikoto snapped and therefore he doesn't remember that he did it since the immense pressure and stress it gave him makes him break down and 'John' is his protector alter or Im not sure if it's possible to pass memories when 'John' split if it's the time he was born. 'John' wants to save him and protect him thus admitting to Mikoto's crimes since Mikoto doesn't know what he did and he doesn't want Mikoto to break down. This is his difference with Kotoko saving others, and him saving himself. 'John' doesn't want Mikoto to find out about his murder in order to protect his mental state. 3. Mikoto may really not be aware of 'John's' actions. He is the one being judged for he is the 'main personality (? Im not sure of the correct term)' and he has to be held accountable for the actions of the other identities too (I think it's called system accountability?). I'm really not well-versed about DID but I hope I didn't say anything offending;; I'm voting forgive either ways but I really hope the best for 'John' and Mikoto. Both of them looks really tired. I wish I could just hug them.
@星屑グミ
@星屑グミ Жыл бұрын
最近になって気付いたけど、目のハイライトがミコトの時は上、ジョンの時は下になってる気がする…。第一審でも確認したら、そうなってる描写があるので鳥肌たった…。 1:25の所で、ミコトとジョンがそれぞれ顔面ドアップで写るので分かりやすいと思います。 0:48と0:55が目のドアップ見れます。
@LanieMae
@LanieMae Жыл бұрын
So about Mikoto’s motive. I’ve seen a lot of people here say that he probably killed someone because he was stressed and lashes out. Or that John killed a bunch of people who annoyed him (which I highly doubt, but I explained that in another comment). So I wanna talk about a theory for why he killed someone which hasn’t been bought up here that often. It’s kinda hard to explain it here but here’s what I think happened. Mikoto was being stalked by someone, as MeMe has alot of motifs of cameras and being watched, and double has alot of eye motifs. I believe this was likely for sxual reasons as there’s lots of fanservice imagery in MeMe, especially when compared to other characters which have none of that imagery (especially Yuno) so why would Mikoto have both that sort of imagery if it’s not important in some way? I think something happened for Mikoto to realise this and possibly due to prexisting trauma he was particularly affected by this. Possibly to the point he felt like something like this could never happen again and attempted to hunt down the stalker and kill them. That’d explain why he had a baseball bat in a scene that looks premeditated. I’m not entirely sure on this but it could also be that he accidentally killed innocent people (or maybe not so innocent, as he killed a gang member) in a quest to find the true stalker. I believe this is what happened to lead Mikoto to kill, but he was so shocked and traumatised by the whole sequence of events that John took over, inheriting all of Mikoto’s memories of what he did and attempting to shift the blame onto himself. Because he’d never want Mikoto to get hurt for his actions, so he started portraying himself as an evil monster that poor innocent Mikoto has to deal with. Again this is just a theory but I feel like it’s interesting to bring up here as I definitely think he has a much more complex motive than “I just did it because I was stressed”. I feel like I might’ve not given the full context of this theory so I’d recommend checking out the original theory that was made for this which is a comment on the trailer video for double. And I also made a big theory on this on tumblr which you may find interesting.
@buhnanaaaa
@buhnanaaaa Жыл бұрын
BRO FINALLY A THEORY ON THIS IVE LITERALLY BEEN SO CURIOUS ABT THIS TYSM UR THEORY IS SO COOL, IVE ALWAYS FELT WEIRD ABT THE THEORY THAT MIKOTO GOT TOO STRESSED SO JOHNS CREATED AND LASHES OUT.. I MEAN IT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT IT FEELS TOO SIMPLE YKWIM
@Yapuwfou
@Yapuwfou 11 ай бұрын
I like the idea of Mikoto being the one to start but then John existing simply to take the blame, it gives a new meaning to all the reassurance John is giving in the song and explains why Mikoto is bound by Milgram and John technically isn't (I think John was able to lash out at Es or something, which the milgram prisoners aren't supposed to be able to do).
@LanieMae
@LanieMae 11 ай бұрын
@@Yapuwfou yeah totally! Especially the lyrics “I’ll take it all on” which can also be translated as “I’ll shoulder/carry it all” which can be interpreted as him taking the blame to protect Mikoto
@phanthirakositjaroenkul7703
@phanthirakositjaroenkul7703 11 ай бұрын
@starpeep5769
@starpeep5769 6 ай бұрын
omg tysm!!!!!!
@asntmk
@asntmk Жыл бұрын
「全部俺が背負うから」っていうのは、主人格のミコトが犯した罪も背負うってことかなと思うから、主人格も人に手をかけていると思う。。。
@Toketa_a
@Toketa_a 4 ай бұрын
少なくとも人格こそ違えど、行動を起こしてるのはあくまで「榧野尊という体」なことに間違いはありませんからね… それこそ奇跡や魔法でも起きて、ジョンとミコトそれぞれの器が手に入るでもしてない限り…
@みんと-u2f
@みんと-u2f 6 ай бұрын
ジョンめっちゃミコトくんのこと守ろうとしてて愛じゃんそんなん だいすき
@松林-m9t
@松林-m9t Жыл бұрын
「まだまだ」って耐えて頑張っていた自分を守ってくれる新たな人格が思っていた以上に過剰防衛しちゃって、主人格に戻った時に感謝できる状態じゃ無かったとかかな。 第1審でも自分がここにいる意味が分からないって感じだったから、俺がやった事は間違えじゃないしむしろ感謝されることだと思っている、的な。 どちらの人格だか分かる花江さんの歌い方に感無量です!
@tubumame
@tubumame Жыл бұрын
死体が全部デッサン人形なのは「所詮ミコトの気を楽にしてあげるためだけの道具」にしか思ってないからなのかなと思うと…………… ジョンがミコトを大事にしててもミコトには聞こえてない、"一生交わらない2人"なんだなぁ
@LanieMae
@LanieMae 6 ай бұрын
Just want to bring up a theory I’ve been interested in lately. Basically it goes that Mikoto and John aren’t the only alters, but there are underdeveloped fragment alters as well. As John is referred to being newly born but DID can’t form in adulthood. But this is rather than the whole theory that there’s a secret 3rd one behind the scenes. Basically from what I’ve heard a fragment is a lesser developed alter that are dedicated to perform specific tasks. And that’s essentially what the mannequins represent, and especially with the shot at the beginning of John standing limp along the mannequins representing how he’s much more fully formed compared to the others. And it’s especially hinted it with his voice line in the trial 2 teaser trailer. Where we hear John screaming at people who are being annoying and threatening to kill them. At first this would seem like it’s referring to what he said in Neoplasm, about killing a bunch of random people who annoyed him. But what he said there was clearly a lie especially how he would’ve immediately been arrested if he did that, and how Mikoto was waiting for a single person to come by at the train station. So then the only explanation I can think of is in that line John isn’t referring to other physical people, but when he was first born referring to the voices of the other fragments. And how he was fearful of them and threatened them and perhaps believing they would hurt Mikoto. It’s also implied that because of this John might’ve repressed them, trying to leave only him and Mikoto (although I’m not sure about the logistics of this). As if the mannequins represent fragments then John killing them in the train could be representative of that, and how he regrets what he did and views his actions as violence. And with him saying “just the two of us, relieved aren’t you?” definitely implies how perhaps he did that to “protect” Mikoto in his own eyes. And when it comes to the physical murder, it’s represented in Double with the mannequin pieces flying outside the train (eg outside of his mind) where interestingly enough John didn’t hit anything himself with the bat. I do think this is interesting though about even if John isn’t the killer physically, what he could’ve done could be considered murder as per milgram tackling topics of wether something can be considered murder or not. And perhaps he wasn’t entirely lying in Neoplasm, but rather twisting the truth or believing that’s what happened.
@hoyomoon
@hoyomoon 4 ай бұрын
As someone with a dissociative disorder caused by secondary structural dissociation, it's scientifically proven that you cannot "kill" fragments or alters. They don't dissapear- if anything, they'd integrate.
@LanieMae
@LanieMae 4 ай бұрын
@@hoyomooncould you elaborate? I mainly heard about this theory and added onto to it but I’ve heard a lot of people saying something a long the lines could happen but I’m not sure I’m going off what I’ve heard
@hoyomoon
@hoyomoon 4 ай бұрын
@@LanieMae Alters or fragments cannot ever disappear, die, etc. It is only possible that they fuse together (you can research fusion/integration of alters if you want, since it's really hard to explain). I doubt John integrated with a bunch of other alters because that would mean he would have to form a strong relationship with them (ex: be able to communicate with them and share similar beliefs and ideals with them) to eventually fuse together into the same person. DID/OSDD are severe trauma disorders. As we are children, we all have ego states. These ego states are different parts of ourself/emotions/needs (ex: one ego state is hungry, one is mad, etc). At ages 6-9, these ego states fuse together to form one personality- but if there is severe trauma, some ego states may disagree (ex: one ego state can think a caregiver is safe and another may think that they're not). At this point, these ego states split further apart and develop different identities. To protect the person in the body, they usually set up amnesiac barriers as well. These alters cannot kill each other because they'd have to physically interact with the brain's chemistry and functioning which is impossible. It's like saying you can freely seperate your personality into ego states and destroy ego states at will, which you cannot do. Sorry for the long explanation!
@virtualmushr00m
@virtualmushr00m 3 ай бұрын
@@hoyomoon Can't the alters go dormant? In which case, couldn't John believe that aren't here anymore even if they are. Or he could he lose the ability communicate with them? Genuinely asking. Moreover it also depends how accurate the creators make it too.
@hoyomoon
@hoyomoon 3 ай бұрын
@@virtualmushr00m Yes! But since alters can only go dormant or fuse, if alters "disappear", someone in a system will know that they aren't actually gone. It depends though. I think it is possible that John might think the others are gone but I am unsure.
@crnxyz
@crnxyz Жыл бұрын
i love how in 1:49 - 2:01 while he's running as Mikoto the drums and guitar are really messy, whereas from 2:02 - 2:16 when he's "John" it sounds more coherent and in-tune with the singing idk what it means just thought it was cool
@fundsrblx6306
@fundsrblx6306 11 ай бұрын
Good observation i think its like that cause mikoto is stressed 24/7 but john or orekoto isnt cause he’s “protecting” mikoto by preventing his suicidal thoughts (cause he’s overworked and someones breaking point would def be suicide).
@gyugoyu
@gyugoyu Жыл бұрын
裏人格がミコトのためにしてる事が報われなくて空回りしてるのが辛い…
@なのやで
@なのやで 4 ай бұрын
人格は主人格の為にやってるぽいのに、主人格はもっと苦しんじゃってそれをみてる人格も苦しくなってるのもう😭
@musekinin._.25
@musekinin._.25 Жыл бұрын
電車の窓のあかりの有無で表人格か裏人格かを判別出来るけど、裏人格はずっと無表情でまったく心情が読めないけど、表人格は苦笑いだったり、焦ってるのが分かるから見てると感情がぐちゃぐちゃになるの好き
@MARETU_LOVE
@MARETU_LOVE Жыл бұрын
既出だったらごめんだけど 「ただ夢を見ていたんだよ」って歌詞、ミコト(主人格)が寝ててジョン(別人格)が活動してたって意味と殺人鬼に憧れてジョンみたいになることを望んでいたっていう2つの意味があるんじゃないかな? ボイスドラマで別人格が憧れ的なこと言ってた気がするし
@yurimin-asamin12
@yurimin-asamin12 6 ай бұрын
第一審のボイスドラマ聞いた時 「ミコトは赦したら絶対やばいッ...!!!」 第二審のボイスドラマ聞いた時 「あこれ赦さないとヤバそ...」 そして無事に推しになると()
@Sleepy-Koala
@Sleepy-Koala Жыл бұрын
God I just cannot wait for the voice drama to drop aswell, hes one of the characters that im deeply invested in their story!
@FatherDazai
@FatherDazai Жыл бұрын
0:45 Mikoto/Mikoto’s alter acknowledging that so many people in the fandom called him a faker and a manipulator (doubted his DID/OSDD despite the concrete proof) sent chills down my spine, I feel so sorry for him.
@Idontknow_418
@Idontknow_418 Жыл бұрын
I feel guilty for thinking he was lying in t1 😭 Especially since i didnt know about the voice dramas
@aloafofbread4026
@aloafofbread4026 Жыл бұрын
I believe the lyrics from 0:35 to 0:49 is from Mikoto's perspective, the lyrics that follow after that is John
@cheyannegiles9772
@cheyannegiles9772 Жыл бұрын
@@aloafofbread4026 i'm pretty sure this whole song is John
@aloafofbread4026
@aloafofbread4026 Жыл бұрын
@@cheyannegiles9772 Similar to MeMe, the contrast between the piano and the guitar instrumentals may provide a hint as to which alter is singing the lyrics. Even in the last part of the song, Mikoto and John sound like they're communicating with each other. Throughout the song, there are subtle differences with how John and Mikoto sing, with mikoto on the gentler side and john on the harsher side
@cheyannegiles9772
@cheyannegiles9772 Жыл бұрын
@@aloafofbread4026 yeah, on second watch you're right. also the color of the windows shows who's being shown (White for Mikoto, Black for John)
@ハッピーマロン1222
@ハッピーマロン1222 10 ай бұрын
1:48からのミコトが凄く性癖で好き これは赦せない
@amarun5600
@amarun5600 Жыл бұрын
ボイドラマジで良かった… MV先に見ても最高だしボイドラ▶︎MVの流れで見るとまた更に最高に楽しめるから本当にマジで最高すぎる 1:18の所ジョンがミコトを客観視して少し微笑んだ後に行動してる感じか「お前のためにやってやるよ」感凄くてマジで今回クオリティ高くて本当にMILGRAM最高
@hpstprcrsmengmn
@hpstprcrsmengmn Жыл бұрын
【個人的解釈(長い)】 ・1番感じたのは2人のミコトの報われなさ(僕ミコは職場について、俺ミコは僕を守ってることを誰にも知って貰えないこと) ・この曲のメインは俺ミコ ・チーフから恐ろしいほどの連絡、着信 ↓社畜って楽観的に言ってたけど多分職場が二重人格生成の原因?、ずっと入りたかった憧れの会社的なの言ってたのにかわいそう(感想)そこのギャップもミコトを苦しめた? ・MILGRAMに入れられてしまったことか、ただ守りたかっただけなのに結果ミコトを罪人にしてしまったことか定かではない(どっちも当てはまる可能性も)けど俺ミコができたことを僕ミコに懺悔してるのが印象的(自己解釈だけど僕ミコ1回自殺しようとした?)、俺ミコはほんとにただ純粋に僕ミコを守りたかっただけなのかもしれない ・僕ミコがお母さんへの電話に明るく振舞ってて弱音を吐き出せるところが無かったように見受けられる ・第一審のタロットカードミコトのスマホに似てる、スマホがキーアイテム? ・僕ミコの苦しいとこを全部背負ってあげた俺ミコ、僕ミコの精神を侵食してそう(第一審より)➡︎侵食してた ・電車の行き先がわからない、「わからないのに ここにいる理由さえ」:歌詞 ↓俺ミコ本来の"ミコトを守る"っていう目的を完璧に覚えてるか微妙そう
@n0qxl
@n0qxl 10 ай бұрын
今更だけど「今日も準備した中の中の下笑顔で」っていう歌詞、ミコトが無理して作り笑いを朝から準備してたみたいな感じになるんだね MVとか歌詞に考察する内容たーーくさんあって面白いミルグラムはこれだから好きなんだ
@lrp-j3w
@lrp-j3w Жыл бұрын
曲聞いた人は全員頼むからボイスドラマも聞いてくれ
@m-はちこ
@m-はちこ Жыл бұрын
今やっと気がついたけど、第一審では半々だったパート分けがダブルでほとんど裏パートになってるのは、ジョンの人格が安定してきてしまってたからなのか。 それがこんなにはっきり曲にも現れるとは……
@user-sf8hd8lg6y
@user-sf8hd8lg6y Жыл бұрын
〖ネタバレ注意⚠️〗(長い) ボイスドラマとこのMV見て思ったんだけど、 別人格(ジョン)は、最初から最後まで主人格(ミコト)を護るためにやっていて、 人をコロしたのだって産まれたばっかで多分自分の役割そんなに把握してないだろうし、あの性格でミコトが受けてたストレスを一気に背負ったなら当然の行動だと私は思う。 ミコトが入った会社は憧れの会社だって言ってたから簡単には辞めれないだろうし、積もりに積もって潰れちゃうより、ジョンを産んで少しでもストレス軽減させるのは個人的には良い判断だと思う。 ただ、ほんとに偶然、ジョンの性格がああだった故の殺人だから、ミコトはなんも悪くないと思う。 強いて言うなら悪いのは、ミコトにストレスを与えすぎた社会(会社)と、多重人格故の自分以外の人格が行動してる時に記憶が無い性質かな。
@haruno3
@haruno3 Жыл бұрын
ミコトくんのダブルMV、見ていて色々感情混ざったけど表向きは明るい彼がこういった感情や苦しみを抱えていたことが知れて良かった。 自分で自分を救ってあげたかったんだな、、とにかく全て最高の楽曲・MVでした
@お茶とメロンパン
@お茶とメロンパン Жыл бұрын
『後悔を飲んで呑んで』っていうフレーズがなんか引っかかってたけど、不満も後悔も吐き出せず、飲み込み続けてこうなった。って揶揄なのかなって思い、泣くなどした。
@クロ-h3d
@クロ-h3d Жыл бұрын
ミコトを守るために生まれたはずの人格のせいでミルグラムに収容されているの皮肉やな
@HANZO_7TR
@HANZO_7TR Жыл бұрын
「ゆるさない」ことで人格が傾いちゃって曲にも俺が強く出てくるのほんと最高で…
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