@@tukihotaru2193думаю, это Микото. мне кажется, что начинает осознавать, если ранее не знал, про Джона. он начинает понимать, что делает что-то неправильное и, как мне показалось, бежит от всего этого. в конце Микото буквально выдавливает «мне очень жаль», возможно, показывая, что действительно осознает что натворил и пытается извинится, ведь действительно все это время не знал о своей такой «сущности».
2:01 "hey, I just wanted to save you, so why did it come to this?". i'm crying all my tears rn.
@Manga678Shiro4 ай бұрын
Most real comment under this video😭😭😭😭😭😢
@hiccupsland Жыл бұрын
I sure hope everyone is NORMAL and WELL BEHAVED this time
@StrawberryHerring Жыл бұрын
The live chat was going crazy lol But yeah it was pretty tame... atleast until now.
@sesmo_TheCryptid Жыл бұрын
Don't count on it, the fangirls are gonna go crazy
@mhaoreax6585 Жыл бұрын
@@sesmo_TheCryptidas a fangirl can confirm i will be going crazy(already am)
@StrawberryHerring Жыл бұрын
@@sesmo_TheCryptid As someone who's friend is a fangirl, I can confirm she's going nuts right now.
@104Momo Жыл бұрын
If the live chat was any indicator? no
@まぬるぬぬ Жыл бұрын
つまりこれ、俺ミコトくんからの僕ミコトくんへの熱烈なラブソングってことでOK?
@user-zs3te5pw8c3 ай бұрын
👍
@Habbymer10 ай бұрын
People still forgotting that all prisoners ARE guilty, we're just deciding If they deserve to be forgiven or not
@evisl.w655210 ай бұрын
Yuno I think that was her name isn't outright a murderer she had a lot of abortion which technically means she didn't kill anyone in the legal sense of the word, the same could go to Mahiru who's boyfriend decided to kill himself due to the toxicity of their relationship isn't Mahiru's fault in the sense of him dying, you could say she did kill him by driving him to that extent of taking his own life or kazui and the fact that his wife decided to kill herself after revealing the truth to her and more, while milgram does consider them guilty of their "crimes"
@LightLavishThought6 ай бұрын
I think the right term is responsible. Each one, in various ways, is responsible for the death of someone or someones. It's our job to decide whether or not they're guilty or innocent, in the same way that a court might. Guilty? They get punished. Innocent? They still had to go through the hearing. We as a collective can decide whether or not they deserve to be forgiven, but at the end of the day the truth of Milgram is very, VERY subjective.
@Jennet8024 ай бұрын
@@evisl.w6552yes I agree. But we also know that even Mikoto isnt really guilty. Only his other "self"
@purplevoncreep9920Ай бұрын
I don't know why people continue to try preach this like Yuno isn't right there.
@Harpae69Күн бұрын
I mean... John was the one who actually k*lled people, but the one being judged is Mikoto, not John, so if we put it like that, Mikoto is the only innocent one, the guilty one would be John
I love how the mannequins from the tarot cards in MeMe are back, and they’re in real life and completely destroyed.
@popppyseeds Жыл бұрын
Omg yea
@arisadragon2254 Жыл бұрын
I agree. In all second trial mv's you can see references to the first trial. The creators have my uttermost respect for what they created so far and will create
@Yamouri Жыл бұрын
omg i didnt even notice that :0
@vixenflorafoxflows4155 Жыл бұрын
Ohhh I didn't even make that connection!
@EvelynDix-u4p2 ай бұрын
Do they like symbolize people and the distance between others and the mc?
@@PlantFood_ MIKOTO didn't talk his mother about his distress because he don't want to cause his mother to worry about him. MIKOTO is too kind to break himself.
@My-rizz-on-cai-is-godlike Жыл бұрын
@@SANKAKU-minon Sometime, I feel like I see myself in him, I don't want to worry my loved ones with my problems
I forgot to mention this but i really have to commend natsuki hanae for his brilliant VA-singing. The stark difference in tone when Mikoto is singing vs when John is singing is stellar.
@merkyuruu Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure this entire song is John singing. The lyrics are basically him talking to Mikoto, saying "hey you're going to break, so I'll save you" and whenever there's a first person pronoun it's always "ore" which Mikoto doesn't use. The only part that wouldn't be him is when Mikoto is speaking to his mother on the phone.
@soleilpeik Жыл бұрын
@@merkyuruu youre right in that all verses are sung by john. but the chorus repeats its main tune twice. first time 0:37 is mikoto, second time 0:50 is john. its shown visually as well since its mikoto on the screen when this is sung, and john when it switches. additionally in the first part of the chorus no personal pronouns are used, 'ore' is used to start off the second rep for the chorus also at the end, mikotos doing the background vocals when he says "i dont know anything, etc," and john responds with "thats expected, im double," so on so forth.
@merkyuruu Жыл бұрын
@@soleilpeik ahh you're right you're right, initially i had thought even if mikoto was onscreen, it was like john watching him and speaking to him. but rereading lyrics i realized which were the lines that only apply to mikoto.
Pointing out some details that maybe you already know: - The messages from 0:12 to the phone call at 0:18 was from someone called "Chief". I can't read what the first two messages are (since they are very long and I can't see them clearly) but the other two are "Hey, come back" and "Do you intend to ignore/abandon/give up your missions/duties/jobs?" -> The "Chief" was calling Mikoto to "come back" to work (so the first two messages might be about work) => Clearly Mikoto was overworking, and this is also a normal issue in Japan. (also Mikoto''s phone wallpaper is the tarot card "The Hanged Man" on his shirt in "MeMe") - At 0:18 and 1:18, the Japanese words are "Good morning" and it seems that Mikoto also saying "Good morning" at those frames too. - At around 1:19, Mikoto is sitting while his reflection on the window breaking down (sorry if I'm not using the right word). The next scene is Mikoto standing up, holding the baseball bat and smashing the mannequins => The one sitting and then standing up with a bat is John (for anyone who have no ideas who is John, he is Oretoko. John is the name Es gave to him, originally from "John Doe"), and also it's clearly a fact that John was formed from Mikoto's stress (that's why they showed him being stressful). - From 1:49 (Mikoto running), the word showing repeatedly is "Dream", and from 2:02 (John walking), the words are "savior" (there is an arrow pointing at John) and "save you". From 2:17 and 2:20, the words appearing are "Double" and "MeMe", respectively. [There are also a lot of letters (I don't even know if they are letters) that are blurry and unreadable appearing with these words, and some more at some other frames) - At 1:53, there's a pair of red eyes and at 2:17, there's a pair of blue eyes, both looking angry. - The lines, "If only I were never born, if only." "I'm sorry." can be seen as John's lines, showing that he feels guilty and sorry for Mikoto. What he did was to "save Mikoto from breaking", but in the end, what he did was still murdering, and since Mikoto has DID, what John did also affects Mikoto. In the voice drama, Es said something like "What John did is considered a sin" (I don't really think it is to blame Mikoto since the context of the sentence is about "What will happen to Mikoto, legally speaking"). I think John feels guilty for something like dirtying Mikoto's hands. (I am very sorry if what I said here is wrong or offend anyone since I'm still trying to get used to DID related terms and English is not my mother language. Please gently correct me if I'm wrong, thank you very much.) - The mannequins might represent the society, the strangers around Mikoto (and it kind of makes senses since John said he killed "some random strangers walking around"). The mannequins are also the same kind that appeared in "The Hanged Man", and since Mikoto is a designer, mannequins was used for symbolism. Overall the MV was amazing I have literally no words. In the end I just want to hug this poor dude he did so much for his family and his future, he really tried his best. Will forgive him for sure. *I edited it a bit after wandering on Twitter and other comments!
@TIME-fe6ne Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing all these with us! Realizing that Mikoto and John are singing the song together just makes it sadder :,)
@chzki Жыл бұрын
@@TIME-fe6ne yes, especially in this song John sings more than in MeMe. And in Reversible Campaign cover too, makes me wanna cry I wish we could just hug them or sth ; ;
@TIME-fe6ne Жыл бұрын
@@chzki and btw even though English is not your first language you expalined everything pretty well! I wouldn't have been able to tell that you weren't native if you didn't point it out yourself. Have some confidence man! Your English is better than some of the native speakers, believe me xD
@belychum Жыл бұрын
Omg thank you for sharing so many details, also your English is excellent. Just that it wouldn't be "I think John feels guilty for something like dirty mikoto's hands" but "... something like dirtying mikoto's hands"
@chzki Жыл бұрын
@@belychumjust fixed it, thank you for the correction!
John saying he's sorry for fucking up Mikotos life at the end.... Bruh, that was painful. The expression was so well animated 😭❤
@marzdust Жыл бұрын
im pretty sure that was mikoto saying it at the end! mikoto has shines at the top of his eyes while john/orekoto has them at the bottom 🤔
@thatminer7174 Жыл бұрын
@@marzdustit kinda works for both tbf. We know john is sorry and mikoto is likely too
@noahi.1381 Жыл бұрын
It works for both honestly and it makes Mikoto so much more interesting for it
@Keijikink Жыл бұрын
@@marzdust yeah i'm pretty sure he's a people pleaser and that he realised he fucked up at some kind of point, I dont really think John would apologise for protecting mikoto
@DrachedesDonners Жыл бұрын
@@Keijikink I think John more so apologises for basically getting Mikoto into trouble. also there's the use of 'Ore' just before so I'm inclined to think this was John and not Mikoto.
At 2:17, Mikoto and “John” are having a conversation and it’s very sad. Mikoto is breaking down, and “John” is comforting him-But Mikoto is not aware of “John”’s existence, so he can’t hear him. That “I’m so sorry” is most likely an apology from “John” to Mikoto, not for us.
@marydah7392 Жыл бұрын
Wtf is John now
@kikoruyo Жыл бұрын
@@marydah7392 orekoto, his alter “john” was a name given by es if I’m not mistaken
@Redheart709 Жыл бұрын
i disagree, since we can see which one is in control by their eye shines. mikoto has a shine at the top, and 'john' has a shine at the bottom. best seen at 0:48. also, when the train has bright lights outside, its mikoto. when the lights are black, its 'john'.
@nightsongmoon5641 Жыл бұрын
@@Redheart709but still alters can communicate with each other even if one isn't fronting so this can be possible.
@nazunya Жыл бұрын
@@Redheart709 i agree with all of the proof i just don’t understand why it would be mikoto saying it? the whole bit at the end does feel like a one sided conversation (since mikoto doesn’t know about “johns” existence) and so “john” being the one to say im so sorry makes more sense imo
@@liamhunter4154as a person w DID, I kinda think that maybe Mikoto had DID before, but like 1. either alters went dormance or 2. all of them were fused before the other one formed or 3. the alter was there before it all, but triggered by the stress many possibilities tbh
@HolicChan Жыл бұрын
@@liamhunter4154and that’s why it’s a story, not real life
@HolicChan Жыл бұрын
Makes perfect sense to me!
@vibealong1191 Жыл бұрын
THE WAY HIS THUMBNAIL SITTING POSE IS THE SAME AS “MeMe” BUT WAYY MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW IS JUST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRR 🔥🔥
@rinrinko Жыл бұрын
YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??
@vibealong1191 Жыл бұрын
@@rinrinko YESSIRRRR WMWNAGIGNWIGNWRHG
@rinrinko Жыл бұрын
@@vibealong1191 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@Lee-Tea Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that’s a nice detail
@limebeanz_ Жыл бұрын
the thumbnail from MeMe still creeps me out, his eyes looks empty 😭😭💔
@ljtf49111 ай бұрын
2:17 noticed how to know who's the one talking in the convo between Mikoto and John. Mikoto's parts has pianos in the background while John's parts are mostly just guitar
I see John as a child who doesn't understand much. His desire to help the main personality. He observes the suffering and, because of his lack of knowledge, comes to the wrong conclusion. And so working hard and not getting the approval he needed (he wanted to be praised, from this line "count me to the savior), John is even more stressed. In the end, he realizes that he was moving on the wrong path. Because he wanted to protect his main personality and not be an enemy to him.
Firstly, the song is INCREDIBLE. Secondly, we get some new insight on Mikoto’s internal thoughts. Interestingly, we don’t see the alter(s) and host merge at the end like we saw with MeMe. Thirdly, animation is BEAUTIFUL. Although another thing I find interesting is that there isn’t any tarot card symbolism but we get a phone call in exchange
@justinortiz3951 Жыл бұрын
i might be wrong but at the end of meme i always thought it was his aggressive alter punching his innocent one at the very end which for me kinda fits more with how this mv went with the aggressive alter seemingly chasing the innocent one to try and hurt him more
@iciarsoto8860 Жыл бұрын
@@justinortiz3951 I think he was threatening Es.
@mahogania5536 Жыл бұрын
@@buhnanaaaahe's a protective alter after all
@kiwi8725 Жыл бұрын
Ok but in the beginning his cellphone wallpaper is the hanged man I think, and in MeMe it’s in his shirt
@ven5507 Жыл бұрын
we sorta saw orekoto and mikoto merge at 0:36, no ?
@dearmybear Жыл бұрын
wanted to point out, at 1:49 mikoto is running from who knows what, and right after that it’s john with a bat. the angle and just way they run/walk reminds me of horror movies where the victims being chased by the killer
@LanieMae Жыл бұрын
Actually quite a lot of stuff in Mikoto’s MVs is based off of western horror movies. Especially in meme where he’s in the shower represents how in a lot of movies it’s normally a woman getting attacked in killed in a shower and stuff, possibly portraying that mikoto/John are more of victims than anything or something bad happened in that scene
@kuro02kuro6 ай бұрын
@@LanieMaei only spotted the psycho reference in the shower scene,, THERES MORE????
@いちお-h4k Жыл бұрын
曲の話なんだけど。第一審の一人称は「僕」だったのに第二審だと「俺」になるの天才
@エル-j1x Жыл бұрын
ジョンのおかげやな
@Idealrecorder Жыл бұрын
@@pozordeti123voice drama
@なし-c3c8c Жыл бұрын
@@pozordeti123you should listen to his new voice drama, and you can understand why his second personality is called John.
@euanthomas749 Жыл бұрын
Its like John doe
@うま-k7n Жыл бұрын
一審目はミコト目線が多いけど二審目はジョン目線が多いからなあ
@木下-j6d Жыл бұрын
守るためなのマジでつらすぎる…… ミコトもジョンもがちで好きすぎる
@のの-q2r11 ай бұрын
ミルグラムで一番好きかも。優しい声で激しい曲歌うの良いな。 MVも良…
@kyshyl905 Жыл бұрын
The frustration displayed by the both of them is so lit. Mikoto feels confused and in distraught while Orekoto is feeling kinda guilty for hurting the people around him and Mikoto as well despite having good intentions. The song and va is so nice too holy shit
@ilairis Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about why we are judging Mikoto and not 'John'. I currently have three theories about it. 1. We are judging Mikoto's passiveness. I don't think Mikoto remembers much (or at all) of what 'John' did, however I do believe that he may be aware that there might be something wrong but is ignoring it. This is also in line with the differences the 10 prisoners has (faithful and unfaithful, bully and the bullied, etc.). Kotoko actively tries to save others while Mikoto dismisses and denies the feeling that there's something wrong since he's been under immense pressure already and what 'John' did may break him down more. 2. Mikoto is the one who killed. I still don't think he remembers. It's either 'John' was born/woke up from dormancy when Mikoto snapped and therefore he doesn't remember that he did it since the immense pressure and stress it gave him makes him break down and 'John' is his protector alter or Im not sure if it's possible to pass memories when 'John' split if it's the time he was born. 'John' wants to save him and protect him thus admitting to Mikoto's crimes since Mikoto doesn't know what he did and he doesn't want Mikoto to break down. This is his difference with Kotoko saving others, and him saving himself. 'John' doesn't want Mikoto to find out about his murder in order to protect his mental state. 3. Mikoto may really not be aware of 'John's' actions. He is the one being judged for he is the 'main personality (? Im not sure of the correct term)' and he has to be held accountable for the actions of the other identities too (I think it's called system accountability?). I'm really not well-versed about DID but I hope I didn't say anything offending;; I'm voting forgive either ways but I really hope the best for 'John' and Mikoto. Both of them looks really tired. I wish I could just hug them.
So about Mikoto’s motive. I’ve seen a lot of people here say that he probably killed someone because he was stressed and lashes out. Or that John killed a bunch of people who annoyed him (which I highly doubt, but I explained that in another comment). So I wanna talk about a theory for why he killed someone which hasn’t been bought up here that often. It’s kinda hard to explain it here but here’s what I think happened. Mikoto was being stalked by someone, as MeMe has alot of motifs of cameras and being watched, and double has alot of eye motifs. I believe this was likely for sxual reasons as there’s lots of fanservice imagery in MeMe, especially when compared to other characters which have none of that imagery (especially Yuno) so why would Mikoto have both that sort of imagery if it’s not important in some way? I think something happened for Mikoto to realise this and possibly due to prexisting trauma he was particularly affected by this. Possibly to the point he felt like something like this could never happen again and attempted to hunt down the stalker and kill them. That’d explain why he had a baseball bat in a scene that looks premeditated. I’m not entirely sure on this but it could also be that he accidentally killed innocent people (or maybe not so innocent, as he killed a gang member) in a quest to find the true stalker. I believe this is what happened to lead Mikoto to kill, but he was so shocked and traumatised by the whole sequence of events that John took over, inheriting all of Mikoto’s memories of what he did and attempting to shift the blame onto himself. Because he’d never want Mikoto to get hurt for his actions, so he started portraying himself as an evil monster that poor innocent Mikoto has to deal with. Again this is just a theory but I feel like it’s interesting to bring up here as I definitely think he has a much more complex motive than “I just did it because I was stressed”. I feel like I might’ve not given the full context of this theory so I’d recommend checking out the original theory that was made for this which is a comment on the trailer video for double. And I also made a big theory on this on tumblr which you may find interesting.
@buhnanaaaa Жыл бұрын
BRO FINALLY A THEORY ON THIS IVE LITERALLY BEEN SO CURIOUS ABT THIS TYSM UR THEORY IS SO COOL, IVE ALWAYS FELT WEIRD ABT THE THEORY THAT MIKOTO GOT TOO STRESSED SO JOHNS CREATED AND LASHES OUT.. I MEAN IT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT IT FEELS TOO SIMPLE YKWIM
@Yapuwfou11 ай бұрын
I like the idea of Mikoto being the one to start but then John existing simply to take the blame, it gives a new meaning to all the reassurance John is giving in the song and explains why Mikoto is bound by Milgram and John technically isn't (I think John was able to lash out at Es or something, which the milgram prisoners aren't supposed to be able to do).
@LanieMae11 ай бұрын
@@Yapuwfou yeah totally! Especially the lyrics “I’ll take it all on” which can also be translated as “I’ll shoulder/carry it all” which can be interpreted as him taking the blame to protect Mikoto
Just want to bring up a theory I’ve been interested in lately. Basically it goes that Mikoto and John aren’t the only alters, but there are underdeveloped fragment alters as well. As John is referred to being newly born but DID can’t form in adulthood. But this is rather than the whole theory that there’s a secret 3rd one behind the scenes. Basically from what I’ve heard a fragment is a lesser developed alter that are dedicated to perform specific tasks. And that’s essentially what the mannequins represent, and especially with the shot at the beginning of John standing limp along the mannequins representing how he’s much more fully formed compared to the others. And it’s especially hinted it with his voice line in the trial 2 teaser trailer. Where we hear John screaming at people who are being annoying and threatening to kill them. At first this would seem like it’s referring to what he said in Neoplasm, about killing a bunch of random people who annoyed him. But what he said there was clearly a lie especially how he would’ve immediately been arrested if he did that, and how Mikoto was waiting for a single person to come by at the train station. So then the only explanation I can think of is in that line John isn’t referring to other physical people, but when he was first born referring to the voices of the other fragments. And how he was fearful of them and threatened them and perhaps believing they would hurt Mikoto. It’s also implied that because of this John might’ve repressed them, trying to leave only him and Mikoto (although I’m not sure about the logistics of this). As if the mannequins represent fragments then John killing them in the train could be representative of that, and how he regrets what he did and views his actions as violence. And with him saying “just the two of us, relieved aren’t you?” definitely implies how perhaps he did that to “protect” Mikoto in his own eyes. And when it comes to the physical murder, it’s represented in Double with the mannequin pieces flying outside the train (eg outside of his mind) where interestingly enough John didn’t hit anything himself with the bat. I do think this is interesting though about even if John isn’t the killer physically, what he could’ve done could be considered murder as per milgram tackling topics of wether something can be considered murder or not. And perhaps he wasn’t entirely lying in Neoplasm, but rather twisting the truth or believing that’s what happened.
@hoyomoon4 ай бұрын
As someone with a dissociative disorder caused by secondary structural dissociation, it's scientifically proven that you cannot "kill" fragments or alters. They don't dissapear- if anything, they'd integrate.
@LanieMae4 ай бұрын
@@hoyomooncould you elaborate? I mainly heard about this theory and added onto to it but I’ve heard a lot of people saying something a long the lines could happen but I’m not sure I’m going off what I’ve heard
@hoyomoon4 ай бұрын
@@LanieMae Alters or fragments cannot ever disappear, die, etc. It is only possible that they fuse together (you can research fusion/integration of alters if you want, since it's really hard to explain). I doubt John integrated with a bunch of other alters because that would mean he would have to form a strong relationship with them (ex: be able to communicate with them and share similar beliefs and ideals with them) to eventually fuse together into the same person. DID/OSDD are severe trauma disorders. As we are children, we all have ego states. These ego states are different parts of ourself/emotions/needs (ex: one ego state is hungry, one is mad, etc). At ages 6-9, these ego states fuse together to form one personality- but if there is severe trauma, some ego states may disagree (ex: one ego state can think a caregiver is safe and another may think that they're not). At this point, these ego states split further apart and develop different identities. To protect the person in the body, they usually set up amnesiac barriers as well. These alters cannot kill each other because they'd have to physically interact with the brain's chemistry and functioning which is impossible. It's like saying you can freely seperate your personality into ego states and destroy ego states at will, which you cannot do. Sorry for the long explanation!
@virtualmushr00m3 ай бұрын
@@hoyomoon Can't the alters go dormant? In which case, couldn't John believe that aren't here anymore even if they are. Or he could he lose the ability communicate with them? Genuinely asking. Moreover it also depends how accurate the creators make it too.
@hoyomoon3 ай бұрын
@@virtualmushr00m Yes! But since alters can only go dormant or fuse, if alters "disappear", someone in a system will know that they aren't actually gone. It depends though. I think it is possible that John might think the others are gone but I am unsure.
@crnxyz Жыл бұрын
i love how in 1:49 - 2:01 while he's running as Mikoto the drums and guitar are really messy, whereas from 2:02 - 2:16 when he's "John" it sounds more coherent and in-tune with the singing idk what it means just thought it was cool
@fundsrblx630611 ай бұрын
Good observation i think its like that cause mikoto is stressed 24/7 but john or orekoto isnt cause he’s “protecting” mikoto by preventing his suicidal thoughts (cause he’s overworked and someones breaking point would def be suicide).
God I just cannot wait for the voice drama to drop aswell, hes one of the characters that im deeply invested in their story!
@FatherDazai Жыл бұрын
0:45 Mikoto/Mikoto’s alter acknowledging that so many people in the fandom called him a faker and a manipulator (doubted his DID/OSDD despite the concrete proof) sent chills down my spine, I feel so sorry for him.
@Idontknow_418 Жыл бұрын
I feel guilty for thinking he was lying in t1 😭 Especially since i didnt know about the voice dramas
@aloafofbread4026 Жыл бұрын
I believe the lyrics from 0:35 to 0:49 is from Mikoto's perspective, the lyrics that follow after that is John
@cheyannegiles9772 Жыл бұрын
@@aloafofbread4026 i'm pretty sure this whole song is John
@aloafofbread4026 Жыл бұрын
@@cheyannegiles9772 Similar to MeMe, the contrast between the piano and the guitar instrumentals may provide a hint as to which alter is singing the lyrics. Even in the last part of the song, Mikoto and John sound like they're communicating with each other. Throughout the song, there are subtle differences with how John and Mikoto sing, with mikoto on the gentler side and john on the harsher side
@cheyannegiles9772 Жыл бұрын
@@aloafofbread4026 yeah, on second watch you're right. also the color of the windows shows who's being shown (White for Mikoto, Black for John)