Jagdpanther: King Tiger's Gun & Panther's Chassis

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

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[@rolandhunter]

Just 1 correction: Tiger 1 used L/56 cannon. 3:00

[@curtite]

Roger that! I am in for a copy ;-)

[@rolandhunter]

@Black Knight That is not so simple...

[@brocaesar7484]

We love you Military history visualized keep up the good work

[@samuelparker9882]

I TRULY like the fact that you call it what it is. A hunting panther, and NOT a tank as so many " so called " 20 something historians do. For some reason they just don't get the fact that if it DOESN'T have a turning turret it's not a tank. It's a tank destroyer.

[@anasrida3454]

So one in a museum. Didn't expect it to be so huge. Looks like a steel wall at an angle with a gun sticking out. A beautiful sight indeed.

[@rosbifke]

I’ve been to the Bovington Tank Museum and there they had one aswell. Let me tell you, these things are so much bigger than you’d expect. Vehicles like the Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger or Pershing are such absolute units it will leave you speechless.

[@fboyg91]

Right? I’m always shocked by the size of WW2 tanks. Even German “medium” tanks were absolutely enormous.

[@CrniWuk]

Particularly beautifull when you're on the other side in your T34 or Sherman.

[@karlhans6678]

Never saw someone next to it until this video, its huge!

[@kleinerprinz99]

Jagdpanther is the exception .. look at the production numbers.. most other tank hunters are much smaller. Most produced is the StuG variant. Also a Panzer V at 2,99m is only 30 cm taller than a Panzer IV at 2,68m . A Sherman is 2,74m , a T34 is 2,60m. Now put that into relation how cramped the inside of a T34 and Sherman is and how roomy and ergonomic the inside of a Panzer IV and V is. For comparison a Leopard I is 2,62m in height and a Leopard II is 3,03m (top edge of periscope).

[@cleanerben9636]

Such a sexy machine. The Jagdpanther isn't to bad either.

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

@@julianshepherd2038 you mean his massive cannon? Legend says he can engage 3 people at once.

[@ivanrenic4243]

You mean the Jagdpanzer IV in the background right?

[@cleanerben9636]

@@ivanrenic4243 uhhh yes yes of course

[@MasterBlaster220]

Jeez, i hope you are a gurl.

[@napalmpudding]

@@MasterBlaster220 why? cause your homophobic? /s

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

From asking Doyle, the final drive on Panther was never improved, only the ones which went on Jagdpanther. I'm unsure why, I can only assume capacity issues with the various factories. It is worth noting that though the improved final drive is referenced in Jentz/Doyle works on Jagdpanther, it is notably absent in works on Panther.

[@bluntcabbage6042]

I've been constantly told that later Panthers (G and onwards if I remember right) received upgraded transmissions, but is this just a fallacy?

[@thekoolaidkid337]

Bernard gets points off for not showing us how track tension is done unfortunately

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

Oh bugger, the Jagdpanther is on fire. *Chieftain jumps out the rear hatch onto engine deck.

[@kiowhatta1]

Isn't this Mr Doyle's favourite vehicle? I remember you asked him in a video why he liked it, and he simply said 'I just do'.

[@thebravegallade731]

by the time the jagdpanther was developed, in 1944, it wasn't worth rehauling panther production to use the new final drive. after all the supply line was shortened and panthers died early enough that the final drive wasn't a big issue by this point

[@hookybrickshooky9529]

I love the design of the Jagdpanther. It's such a beauty.

[@averagefilipino315]

my fav tank amongst the ww2 tanks.

[@laiebi_3639]

Just modeled it for my game, real beauty

[@at6686]

Looks modern as well. As though it could roll into battle tomorrow.

[@johnhammer8968]

@@averagefilipino315 mine to

[@christopherjames5895]

@Uncle Joe This

[@davidk6269]

YES!!!! The Jagdpanther is my favorite turret-less tank destroyer of WWII. Thanks for this upload!

[@michaelwier1222]

Mine too!

[@psychohist]

Doesn't hurt that it was on the cover of the PanzerBlitz game, which I got as a teen.

[@alatamore]

I had a mental picture of a used “tank” salesman touting its excellent fuel economy, superior rust guard, and great acceleration. “Don’t tell my manager, but I’ll give you this special low price because I can see you are someone who appreciates German armored vehicles! “ 😂

[@DeltaEchoGolf]

He then kicks a road wheel and the gun mantlet falls off.

[@bobfal]

Bet there's no guarantee on that transmission 😉

[@marekkula2510]

Mental picture of a dealer selling after battle vehicles form WoT or WT: "No worries, we removed most of the previous unlucky crew, but parts of a loader felt between suspensions bars, that's why it is on sale" or "well crew bailed out and set charges to scuttle vehicle, half of them worked. She looks lovely from port side, most of of the other side is missing" "Fuel economy... well You need economy to fill her up, but engine sounds is worth every 100 gallons" "We have also few tracks links form Stug, that met with B-17 pilot who flew with GPWS turned off, You can have them as freebee"

[@obamabin-laden2420]

Thanks for the advice man, I hate it when I go to the used Jagdpanther dealership and the guy tries to sell me the lousy 16mm roof armour version.

[@kenduncan3221]

Make sure they cut the price or deliver it with a couple of hundred rounds of gold ammo.

[@michaelpielorz9283]

I was told the 16mm version cold be fitted with a sliding roof.

[@6thmichcav262]

@@kenduncan3221 It would probably be covered with warning stickers. Warning! This roof is prone to HE spam!

[@IowanLawman]

Holy shit I didn't know the Jagdpanther was such a big boi.

[@thebichocr7659]

Lol were u expecting something like the JgPz38t (Hetzer)

[@looinrims]

Jagdpanther has big thiccy

[@finnishboo4192]

Thicc

[@ihatethewarthundercommunit5315]

@@thebichocr7659 it's menace of a younger brother

[@ivanrenic4243]

I was in Munster in this museum a couple of days ago and was astonished by how huge these beasts actually are. I also saw the Jagdpanther and it really looks amazing!

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

6:18 My city is lacking a 2nd hand Jagdpanther dealership. 😔

[@Pablo-xy3lo]

Mine too ☹️

[@davidbrennan660]

Mine closed in the late forties, for awhile you could get French spares, but they were worn and now you just get Russian water damaged units.

[@KPW2137]

Here they had some around, all scrapped long time ago. Meh.

[@scottparis6355]

I have several, in a selection of attractive colors. Please send deposit to....................

[@DiggingForFacts]

A 2nd hand Jagdpanther dealership...ahh one can dream....

[@ninaakari5181]

My family wants to have a beach holiday somewhere warm. Me: "Our holiday destination is Munster, Germany"

[@profkluk]

Visit it in August when the heath is blossoming. The area is quite popular.

[@eviloverlordsean]

@Ninaa Kari - I was just thinking that!

[@Zorro9129]

Get some cheese too.

[@markiv2942]

Then go to France but before that Poland!

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@markiv2942 Waaaaiiiit a minuye

[@TomOostenrijk]

Whenever Im at any kind of military museum, Im always astounded by how big tanks actually are.

[@GeorgiaBoy1961]

@ Tom: There are numerous accounts by Allied soldiers on the western front, who upon seeing a Jagdpanther for the first time, said it put "the fear of God" in them. Or words to that effect. I saw one in person, so to speak, at the Patton Armor Museum at Ft. Knox, Kentucky, and it is even more impressive close up. It's absolutely massive, and looks threatening even sitting still. An M4 Sherman weighed in at something like 33 tons, depending on variant, and that's no small amount of weight. Yet in comparison with a Jagdpanther (44.5 tons), it looks small and almost toy-like.

[@VonSpud]

Living in Canada, took my wife to The Tank Museum in Bovington back in 2010. I was surprised that she enjoyed the visit...we timed it well as the exposition was on, moving tank displays and mock battles. Really would like to visit Munster Tank museum. Thanks for excellent video.

[@reteip9]

One note on the early smooth gun recess collar (Geschütznische) it wasn't really welded but rather affixed internally using tabs, the opening in which the collar sits is also used to remove the transmission so the collar had to remain removable, you can see this mounting on the IWM Befehlsjagdpanther which has been cut open. The collar on the Munster vehicle was introduced in late September/October 1944, there was another type quite similar but less chonky which was introduced in late August but which was found to be to weak. On production it should be noted that the second assembly, MNH, was initially only supposed to produce Jagdpanthers temporarily while MBA got tooled up to produce Jagdpanthers, however due to inexperience with producing armoured vehicles MBA never really got up to speed and MNH continued to produce Jagdpanthers (as well as Panthers) until the end of the war along with MIAG who were the sole Jagdpanther assembly plant until late October 1944. The effect of the delays from bombing raids and other disruptions become evident when looking at the amount of hulls produced compared to the amount of Jagdpanthers accepted. Whilst final assembly was done by three plants (MIAG, MNH and MBA) hulls (Wanne) were only produced by Brandeburger Eisenwerke, the highest known Wannenummer is 300795 which means that at least 795 hulls were produced before the end of the war whereas only approx half of these got assembled into finished Jagdpanthers (note that the hull number did not necessarily match the Fgstnr. of the finished vehicle)

[@stansbornak8116]

That is quite the Vee-Hickle!

[@peepeepoopooman1953]

Lol

[@coachhannah2403]

That's Wee-hickle" to you!

[@Bochi42]

These videos are so good I just keep coming back to them. Military History Visualized has great content. It's rather amazing that on his own and with great interviews of good historians he's able to produce better content than an entire network which shall go unmentioned.

[@toffe09]

This is probably my favorite WWII tank. It's basically a slanted metal box with a big cannon but it's still so beautiful for some reason..

[@Der_Schelm]

Hervorragende, da anschauliche Schilderungen, technisch detailliert, historisch astrein - und ohne diese oh-wei-oh-weih-üblichen politisch-korrekten Kommentare. - Respekt!

[@mchrome3366]

This video is gold in answering so many questions I’ve had about the different 88 guns of both Tigers. Thank you.

[@shockblaster1201]

Something I wanted to say, and what might be useful for a video about the Panther's final drive... The oft thrown about number of "150km" until breakage comes from the French Panther report, which is often used for all kinds of statistics. However, recently I've seen more and more people claim that the Panthers used for this test (3 in total, so you can already see that any average will be heavily impacted by one vehicle alone) were Panther A's which were found abandoned in and around the Normandy area. While I do not have a source to back this up, it is interesting to delve deeper in this argument to see if there's any truth in it.

[@Wien1938]

The Chieftain said that before his death, Jentz insisted the Panther was a reliable vehicle (and he should know, given he spent twenty or thirty years researching it with H. Doyle).

[@jsd795]

If you look at actual combat reports you will find that the Panthers final drive issues are greatly exaggerated. The biggest problem with the panther, and all German equipment for that matter, was the desperate situation the Germans were in from 43 onwards which led to poor quality control during production, poor maintenance once in the field, and probably most important poorly trained drivers. You have to understand that many, if not most, Germans didn't know how to drive a car let alone a 45 ton tank with a 700 horsepower aircraft engine in it so training would take the two things the Germans were most short of, time and fuel

[@thomaskositzki9424]

@@jsd795 No aircraft engines in German tanks but otherwise your points are valid. :)

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Those French Panthers were captured Normandy veterans - with all the wear and tear that could be expected under these circumstances. Those final drives were propably on their last legs and then driven by guys who were used to the ruggedness of the Sherman. So no wonder they gave in quickly. BTW the French ended up with a full battalion of Panthers (around 30) after the war, those 3 you mentioned might be those that were captured by FFI and used in direct combat. Those 3 may be even driven by people without any tank experience or veterans of the French Army in 1940.

[@jsd795]

@@thomaskositzki9424 the Maybach HL230 was originally designed as an aircraft engine and the French panthers in question weren't captured in Normandy, they were assembled from left over parts after the war or at least the majority of them were

[@robinblankenship9234]

Along with the intense information, I really enjoy the sense of humor. Well done, sir.

[@freddekl1102]

I like how comparing it to previous TDs begins to show why the concept was discontinued- to mount larger guns profile was getting higher and higher, defeating the purpose of tank destroyer. Of course it's nowhere as ridiculous as the "barn-on-tracks" Jagdtiger

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

JagdPanther is the outside range of the German TD concept I think. Crazy that they came up with the hunkajunk Ferdinand over a year earlier.

[@Riceball01]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 To be fair, the Ferdinand wasn't designed from the outset as a TD so much as way of utilizing the hulls of the Porsche Tigers.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@Riceball01 LOL it sure seems that way. Porsche and Hitler's oversized hobby horse.

[@KPW2137]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Yes and no. Ferdinand was more like a private initiative of Ferdinand Porsche that got out of hand rather than what the German Army had asked for. And it was a failure.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@KPW2137 Makes one wonder why the hell they wasted good metal and effort on the Jagtiger. I assume that oone was asked for by someone other than Porsche. Did they not learn from that debacle?

[@slowshop]

We where in Munster in 2019 and was absolutely stunned by the many tanks at Deutsche panzer museum. See you soon! 👌

[@rodrigodepierola]

"Both are Spandaus, so it doesn't matter which was in the bow" Lindybeige.

[@Wien1938]

LOL! :)

[@bezahltersystemtroll5055]

that guy is such a clown 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lowlandnobleman6746]

His video on fire arrows is actually pretty good. The real problems occur with him when he deals with anything that involves England. His bias comes out a lot then.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Oh Lindy... * facepalms *

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

@@lowlandnobleman6746 You're not supposed to take him seriously. He's supposed to be enjoyed in a tongue in cheek fashion.

[@jackmoorehead2036]

Thank you for one of the best over all descriptions of this vehicle, and its production history. The matter of fact delivery is refreshing in this age of long commentary.

[@eviloverlordsean]

As always, I learn something completely new when I watch these films - the "Final Drive" problem springs to mind! Keep up the good work, Bernhard.

[@logoseven3365]

The timeline graphic was nice. Good video.

[@slick4401]

I love your videos, man. All facts properly sourced and clearly stated. Your thoughtfulness should be the gold standard in this age of questionable and oppinionated experts filling the waves.

[@martentrudeau6948]

Excellent video, Amazing that the 88 on the Jagdpanther was super powerful and almost twice powerful as the Tiger 88.

[@martentrudeau6948]

@@AKUJIVALDO ~ Good engineering.

[@rockcompany3269]

Everyone : "Wow such a beautiful tank" Me : "Finally Hans not repaired the final drive after 100km mark !!!!"

[@bigguy1164]

HAHA MOM I TOLD ANOTHER TRANSMISSION JOKE, MOM AREN'T I FUNNY?!

[@ihatethewarthundercommunit5315]

@@bigguy1164 what

[@SouthParkCows88]

The StuG is still my favorite self-propelled gun but the JagdPanthers is a thicc girl

[@williamrthompsonjr556]

The Stug was the most numerous tank the Germans had in the war. It also had the most kills. I recommend getting the book "Panzer Aces II" by Franz Kurowsiki. The first chapter is about Sepp Brandner. He fought in the whole war on the Eastern Front in Stugs.Reading that chapter will give you a good idea of how good Stugs were.

[@wj7158]

So you know, germans tanks are not girls they are boys

[@IronRAVENxvx]

@@wj7158 Wasn't the Tiger personified as a woman (Elvira) in the Tigerfibel though? I believe the same went for the Panther.

[@wj7158]

@@IronRAVENxvx no, all they are men. That you have heard of i don't know where you have heard of. For german language are all vehicles men, except boats. And during the war call the germans for these tanks for men power.

[@IronRAVENxvx]

@@wj7158 It's from the standard issue Tiger manual itself. And I think you got it reversed lol. The Bismark and Tirpitz were males along with many if not all Kriegsmarine vessels.

[@jagdpanther6327]

You'd never have guessed that this is my favourite piece of armour.

[@jagdpanther6327]

@AKUJIRULE thanks for enlightening me. I'll change it immediately. You're so astute with that observation. 👍

[@victoriaevelyn3953]

i love the jagdpanther its shape stuck in my mind ever since i first saw it years ago

[@Kyle-gw6qp]

Your profile picture is supremely cursed

[@cleanerben9636]

@@Kyle-gw6qp verily.

[@brianlong2334]

I remember seeing all the German TD for the first time as a kid with the little dinky car tanks, I was like yuk why they like a box they must be sniper tanks, but they lost to my Sherman's and Pershings all the time because they looked beter I thought at the time lol! Now I think how did I like the shape of the Sherman over any Germans tank... lol

[@toshtenstahl]

Also note that the L/71 shoots a larger cartridge, the 88x822mm. While the L/56 shoots the smaller 88x571mm.

[@Paciat]

Isnt it obvious? It had an increase of armor penetration by 65%, while it was only 26% longer.

[@toshtenstahl]

@@Paciat , not neccessarily so, I think, because the different cartridges (of same caliber guns) and their dimensions are rarely mentioned.

[@wolvenwarriors2075]

Well done Bernard, 'Not great, Not terrible' ;)

[@thomaskositzki9424]

Heeeey, my favourite Jagdpanther! I recognize it by its "scars" (aka shell impact) even before staring the video as I have seen it at least six times in Munster. ^^ Edit: would have liked some words on battle experience with these vehicles.

[@cowgoesmoo3850]

Thsts what I was looking at, was hopeful he was going to talk about the impacts and what caused it lol.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

@@cowgoesmoo3850 Mooooo! I can give you a short breakdown of what is said about them in the museum/what I concluded myself. Front plate, the two impacts that are visible in the middle above the plate joints: 75/76mm AP rounds (my conclusion from size), deflected. Two more dents that are not clearly identifiable. One more impact on the bow that was repaired with putty. Gun mantlet: one penetration by a 76mm (17pdr) APDS dart that finally took out the tank (this was said by the museum IIRC, although from the star-shaped carvings around it, it looks more like a hollow-charge impact). Not visible: side-shot into the engine compartment between the road wheels and the upper hull. Shell was found when the tank was restored, caliber was not given. Tough tank indeed. :)

[@blengdiabloed7335]

this tank can go ledges and bounce shots. not sure why the frontal plate never bounces a shell from a smasher, tankenstein, but it can bounce a shell from borsig. great tank for gun assault. equip with 10.5 cm gun and it'll deal 300 damage which is recommended as a JPanther aficionado such as muah

[@cobramike13bravo63]

Beautiful machine, definitely one of my favorites. Can't wait to get my Heng Long rc tank.

[@juanzavala712]

Great information explained in a simple way. Good job. Cheers from Mexico City.

[@Punisher9419]

One of my favourite tanks.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Elegant Death.

[@cleanerben9636]

But it's not a tank!

[@dannythomson5239]

so glad i found this channel, its great to hear a German historian providing good facts properly researched from the actual German records of the time. too many historians gather their facts from the books of other historians which are often flawed data.

[@mchrome3366]

As usual a great video for those who can’t get enough on the specifics of WW2 tanks. Thank you.

[@ericb4127]

If they added reactive armor to it and upgraded the targeting and the ammunition this jagdpanther would still be competitive on the battlefield today.

[@MercenaryPen]

I'm seeing nothing that could reliably target an attack helicopter- so I suspect it would have problems

[@ericb4127]

@@MercenaryPen Its primary role would not be air targets, it would be infantry support, hard targets and medium to light armor.

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

@@ericb4127 It's not about targeting helicopters, it's about not getting killed by them.

[@mchrome3366]

Your videos help to fill in the blanks of so many of my questions. Thank you.

[@user-propositionjoe]

Is that penetration through the mantle a fatal shot for the tank? I guess it could only of been an APDS from the 6 pounder at less than 500m to be able to go through. What is the history behind that shot? Did it knock the tank out?

[@JohnCampbell-rn8rz]

It's no wonder the Jagdpanther needed a strengthened drive. It must have had to work much harder than the drive in a turreted Panzer. And the driver too. He must have been a lot busier and had much more responsibility than a Panzer driver.

[@Riceball01]

You mean turreted Panther and Panther Driver. Panther and Panzer are two different things and are not interchangeable. Panzer is short for Panzerkampwagen, which is the German word for tank. So, all Panthers were Panzers, but not all Panzers were Panthers.

[@JohnCampbell-rn8rz]

@@Riceball01 I don't know much about tanks but I believe I said exactly what I meant. Using the adjective "turreted" with Panzer was merely to emphasize that feature and differentiate it from the Jagpanther. Now, as impressive as your knowledge so obviously is, perhaps you'd like to go pick your nits somewhere else.

[@Riceball01]

@@JohnCampbell-rn8rz It's not nitpicking, Panzer and Panther are not synonymous. The former is short for tank in German and the latter is the name of a type of German tank, as well as a large feline. Something that I was merely pointing out, quite politely I might add, since it didn't appear that you were aware of that. If you were aware of that, then all you had to do was to say that you know the difference and leave it at that.

[@JohnCampbell-rn8rz]

@@Riceball01 If you had actually read what I said and as I explained, I am well aware of what I meant and the words were chosen deliberately. Nowhere did I mention the Panther, in either of its forms, and I don't see how you can have read what I wrote and not see that. As for being polite and all that, get over it. You felt the need to satisfy your ego and correct a perceived error on my part. This is social media. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

[@johnneill990]

Point!

[@dmcarpenter2470]

Bernhard, good video, I enjoyed it. Thanks

[@brentritchie6199]

really interesting video thank you a super machine I can't believe how much better at armor penetration it was than the feared Tiger. Amazing !

[@srelma]

Thanks for the tips when going to the local Jagdpanther dealership. Now I know the right questions to ask.

[@Gaz1980-x2l]

The Kwk43/L71 was a monster. With a muzzle velocity of 1 Kilometre per second! I've heard an account from the Tank Musuem of it blowing the engine block of a T34 clean out the bank of the tank at 500 meters!

[@Brahmdagh]

7:07 Arty counters camping in RL confirmed

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

WOOO! My favourite as kid, got three models of Jagdpanther. Combines sexiness of Panther and Stug, in a way at least.

[@piggyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

I love your humor bro... “Next time you go to the Used Jadgpanther Dealership” 🤣😂😆🤣😂😆😂😆

[@MGB-learning]

Outstanding video and presentation.

[@SafetyProMalta]

I wonder how long the L71 gun could have theoretically stayed in-service post 45? What an awesome weapon.

[@hyperian_one]

Thank you for this incredibly well done video.

[@demonwizard1]

This tank is the supreme machine. I appreciate this.

[@jimplaysric]

8:28 Not great, not terrible. #Chernobyl

[@JohnSmith-hd2tl]

Lol

[@okaro6595]

Interesting how they called it Sturmgeschütz in the beginning. Shows how the concepts overlap.

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

Yeah

[@vladdrakul7851]

This is the Jagd Panther. The only Panther worth building (as a heavy medium the Panther's weak side armor was lethal to its crew vs the Tiger I that was worth building keeping its precious crews alive twice as often) while the Jagdpanthers had better armor; no turret ring, less weak spots and as it fought at longer range it could fight without exposing it's weaker side armor but was also the best tank destroyer of WW II due to its gun and speed. Indeed my WW II armored vehicule of choice and my favorite EVER.

[@slartybartfarst55]

I Love the concept of a "Used Jagdpanther dealership" 😊👍🏻 A great Video, thank you!

[@joemiller1930]

The Lamborghini under the Tanks. Sporty design with lots of edges. Very impressive, but at least a killing machine

[@joeperez3520]

I had one of the Tamiya 1/25 scale remote-control models of this one back in 1973. Doesn't have the original engine? I STILL want it!! 😂

[@m9078jk3]

I did too about the same year as you as well.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you .

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[@eviloverlordsean]

Agreed, well played Bernhard

[@perfectcell1157]

Holy cow the thing is huge

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

Being a guest in Munster, I have actually seen this monster a year ago! ;-)

[@oslier3633]

Half way through the video I realized the panther had been shot multiple times. Lol.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

He also got one in the engine room from the side, they dug the shell out of the engine when they restaurated the vehicle. The description plate in the museum says it. The hit on the collar was actually the fatal one, a clean penetration by an 17 punder (IIRC) APDS round.

[@jackd1582]

@@thomaskositzki9424 doesn't look like a penetration 🤔

[@thomaskositzki9424]

@@jackd1582 Because it is an APDS round. It is not a full calibre round of 76mm but a slim penetrator of around 30mm. The hole is very small.

[@voiceofraisin3778]

@@thomaskositzki9424 Same thing happened to the one at the IWM in London, three clean hits from a 6pdr from the side into the rear of the crew compartment.

[@thomaskositzki9424]

@@voiceofraisin3778 I know, I have visited IWM. ^^ Well, it was the most sensible thing to try and flank these monsters, I guess.

[@tigerone2353]

Beautiful destroyer

[@External2737]

I wish instead of talking a longer gun, they would talk about it being a higher pressure gun. Sources had 6.8kg of powder propelling the L71 88mm while its short L56 brother... I couldn't find the propellant. It isn't just a longer barrel it was the 88x822mm round vs. the 88x571mm round and obviously 571mm has less room for propellant than 822mm, but I don't know how much was stuffed into the shorter round. While the Pak 40 (7.5 cm gun) had 2.89 kg of propellant. So the longer barrel was used to convert that pressure to muzzle velocity. The rounds had to be build stronger. I've seen 69g of explosives for the burst charge in anti-tank rounds for the L56(I also saw 59g, I'm not sure if one is a typo or different rounds). The L71 only had 50g of explosives in the burst charge. While still a substantial charge, less boom on impact as the casing walls had to be thicker (stronger) to survive the more traumatic launch. Take that 7.92x57mm vs. 7.92x33mm debate! But honestly, that is the difference we are discussing. A long round with a gun suited for it versus a short round. If anything, i think for the amount of powder pushing the round, the barrel is a bit short, but as long as practical to move it around.

[@joespeciale5875]

Outstanding presentation. Thank you!

[@arsenal-slr9552]

Some serious kitty power here

[@tomparatube6506]

Great, very informative presentation. Danke!

[@jc_user]

6:45 What a beautiful machine!

[@endo9384]

I don't know why, but I always imagined you with long black hair hahaha. Love your videos and this one as well!

[@tomservo5347]

That's some insane gun performance. However in the big scope of things it was like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[@roblink4781]

Outstanding video very informative ,thanks.

[@inadequis6132]

Used Jagdpanther dealerships HATE this guy using this ONE SIMPLE TRICK

[@yayksurahi4366]

Another masterpiece. Your videos are great.

[@aliman3229]

Thank you so much for this video.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

Ah yes the murder wedge. Those hits marks on the museum Jagdpanther are interesting. All but one on the intersection of the upper and lower front plates. Almost as if the shooter tried to hit the lower front, but just couldn't get to it. And the last hit being really small on the recess cover, yet appears to have at least partially penetrated (17 pounder sabot? Or perhaps more likely a composite rigid core given the splatter on the cover plate). Was this how this Jagdpanther was captured? The odd hit having disabled something important and the crew abandoning it?

[@bradyelich2745]

Would have been a weaker gun making the lower marks. Took me a bit to see the puncture you see. Unless the 6 pounder was very close, it would have to be what you say. 17 pounder with APDS ammo could penetrate 256 mm of armour at 500 m and 233 mm at 1000 m. The spalling, from the puncture, inside the tank would have killed/wounded crew and broke inside components. I think I will spend some time and see if there is any info out there on the capture.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

@@bradyelich2745 I'm beginning to think it's the US 76mm gun. With the first hits being regular ammunition, which wouldn't be able to penetrate the upper plate at most reasonable ranges. After hitting multiple times, the gunner switches to one of his few HVAP rounds, which could potentially do it, but doesn't achieve a full penetration. However the German crew is by then breaking and abandon their vehicle. [EDIT] Having dug around, it's a bit of a weird story. It is indeed 17 Pounder shells on the frontal plate, but the mantlet hit, which is indeed a penetration, is from a 6 pounder. So a reverse of any expected scenario. The Chieftain has a high speed tour of the museum where he talks about this.

[@demonprinces17]

Was it a target tank

[@XanderTuron]

If I recall correctly, the penetrating hit on this particular Jagdpanther was caused by a 6pdr sabot round.

[@bradyelich2745]

@@XanderTuron No sabot rounds for 6 pounder. AP, APC, APCBC were used for AT roles. Must have been the 17 pounder.

[@jfobel2204]

I always figured one of the leading problems in final drive failures was the loss of resources relating to powerful metals to survive the powerful impacts of hill and terrain while torque was expressed on it heavily, especially for front heavy vehicles. Issues like tungsten missing, hence also an equal lack of APC rounds, now resorting to APHE.. Final drives breaking constantly because the tougher and more rugged pure metals they needed for them are all but evaporating for things like rounds or parts~~ it's not all that hard to tell really the designs are never really the physical problem as much as the resources needing consumed to produce them to their fullest potential seems to magically be missing for them to be mistaken as idiotic hiccups in designer history. It's actually fairly similar to the same arguments used to defend the T-34 as a good tank. If you make excuses saying "If this, now it isn't bad," then this same logic could be applied to here.

[@rrl4245]

Where is that 'Used Jagdpanther Dealer' you refer to? I'd like to check out their inventory. This video is excellent. Please do a follow-up video on the damage to this vehicle. Did the hit on the mantlet-surround, actually penetrate? Any idea on what gun did that, and the other damage to the front of the vehicle? Thanks

[@MrJoeGarner]

Finally learning what L71 means, Priceless!

[@Mr_Fu_Manchu]

Very good presentation , thank you .

[@VivyX2]

in warthunder jaggpanther is one of the most universal tank destroyer ingame for its br due to its mobility,armor and penetration

[@mcm95403]

SO COOL to see these survivors!

[@jeroenverzijl8596]

Whow, im very interrested in the ww2 history and a Wot player for a very long time, exellent info

[@jd55niels34]

Jagdpather Dealership I'd be there tomorrow !!!

[@tryhardor]

Used Jag panther dealership! That's my favourite part.😂

[@jagdpanther2224]

"Me" being the no.222 of the production!

[@billrich9722]

You need to make a “Hunting Panda” shirt. Just a panda with some german inspired hunting outfit cradling a scoped rifle with a distant, determined stare.

[@looinrims]

Nah, we need a shirt of a cat with an iron cross tattoo stalking a Russian bear, American Eagle, or British Bulldog

[@billrich9722]

@@looinrims Might miss out on the tattoo for the fur.

[@frederickthegreatpodcast382]

I’m debating whether this audience would like the “Unbiased History of Rome”

[@antonyborlase3965]

Where is this ‘Jag-panzer dealership” of which you mention?

[@kenduncan3221]

Well in my city it is right next to the KV-2 dealership down on Riverside Dr.

[@williamrthompsonjr556]

From "Panzer Aces II by Frank Kurowoski Page 415: "On the morning of 8 April (1945) Nicolussi-Leck learned from an employee of the Hanomag firm that there were several serviceable tanks on the factory grounds. Haupsturmfuhrer Nicolussi-Leck immediately put together several tank crews and sent them there. When they arrived at the factory the men could scarcely believe their eyes, for sitting there were seven brand-new Jagdpanther tank-destroyers, a pre-production batch with an 88-mm gun in a fixed superstructure on a Panther chassis. There was also a recovery tank." "One of the men remembered: We took charge pf the vehicles, fueled them and made them ready to go, signed the acceptance slips and immediately drove away in these potent tank destroyers."" The very interesting story continues to page 419. In the end, the Jadgpanthers caused so much damage to American units, that they thought they were facing an entire Panzer Division! Nicolussi-Leck and his men, were from the 5th SS Panzer Division, the Viking Division. Eventually "Nico" as he was known to his men, was captured, and survived to return to a productive civilian life. I highly recommend getting the book.

[@williamrthompsonjr556]

Sorry, it should be Franz Kurowski.

[@kden9772]

I think the penetration numbers at 60 degrees for the long 88 are a little high, that would be 270mm at 90 degrees (100m). You could definely be right but from what I've seen the penetration is around 240mm at 90 degrees (100m). The video was great, but I would like to know the source from this figure

[@TheSenate_]

2:30 The Jagdpanther uses the Pak 43/3, not the KwK 43.

[@MilitaryHistoryVisualized]

some make that distinction some not, it seems they were pretty much the same.

[@peterlewerin4213]

@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized The recoil system is supposed to be a bit different, but the one on at least the PaK 43/3 seems to be exactly the same as the one on the KwK 43. It's dangerous ground, though. I wrote a short piece on the Jagdpanther and thought I could get away with "same gun as Tiger II". That turned out to be... unwise ;)

[@ThePRCommander]

In War Thunder I suck playing the Jagdpanther, however, I still love this relatively slow and big tank hunter. Mann, in real life it is big. Even today it could do some damage.

[@PanzerdivisionWiking]

One of the best looking TD’s