New KF51 Panther Tank vs. Abrams X Tanks

At the Eurosatory 2022 event held on 13 June in Paris, Rheinmetall presented a main battle tank that is destined to be a game changer for battlefields in the future: the KF51 Panther. On the other hand, taking place on 10-12 October 2022 during the AUSA exhibition in Washington D.C., General Dynamics Land Systems or GLDS also revealed its new generation of main battle tank with greater firepower, protection, and mobility to confront all new threats in the modern combat zone: the AbramsX. Both MBTs are the latest members in their own tracked vehicle family. And in this video, will discuss the comparison between KF51 Panther and AbramsX.
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[@hermesliteratus882]

The Panther is such a stunning looking piece of machinery.

[@Extreamspeed]

Designed by the God of war ;)

[@MaxCroat]

The Panther was possibly the best looking tank ever made. The new KF51 Panther is also pretty decent looking.

[@avatarontheloose5462]

Meh... panther looks similar to Leopard.. AbramsX is much more modern. "While the Abrams X already has an unmanned turret, the panther is planning one for a future upgrade". Abrams has better 360 optics, better side protection and better top protection, better crew protection. Better hunter killer capabilities with its silent operation and reduced thermals. Higher main gun ammunition capacity ( 60 rounds vs 30 rounds for the panther ). switchblade drones and a 30mm chain gun .... Just sayin 😜

[@yousaidthusly461]

It got a big hed.

[@tonyman905]

@@avatarontheloose5462 looks like you are a patriot who doesnt know shit about tanks and is just quoting youtubers

[@tonyman905]

You forgot to mention that the abrams x isnt a actual mbt concept but rather a tech demonstrator meanwhile thew kf51 is an actual mbt prototype

[@molstad182]

abramsx would be a beast if it were an actual tank put into service i bet tho

[@xenomorph9114]

@@molstad182 AbramsX was already a beast for a concept, it would be a league higher if an actual prototype were to be made

[@warelite5368]

@@xenomorph9114 its the same old sucky 120mm the 130mm on the kf is way better

[@brain_tonic]

@@warelite5368 Since when is a 120mm "sucky"? What armor is the 120mm having trouble penetrating that the 130 can do a better job of?

[@oliverm.3250]

@@brain_tonic I wouldn't describe it as "sucky", but according to Rheinmetal the 130mm gun has a 50% higher range compared to a 120mm gun and that could be a game changer in battle.

[@pusheenthecat9264]

"How expensive do you want this to be?" "Yes."

[@Faezine]

Welcome to the future.

[@simonwoess5679]

Actually not quite as expensive compared to their predecessor when they where new when you count in inflation

[@pj828]

Saying this in spite of myself... the Abrams X is extremely impressive! But this Panther looks like the new king of the MBTs. Comparing it to other 4th gen tanks (Armata) or even those still in development (Challenger 3) this Panther seems to outclass them all. Truly impressive!

[@jameschannel1208]

Germans going the way of the Reich in tech. Small numbers of highly advanced weaponry. While Abrams can be mass produced

[@h4per_txt565]

in my opinion the AbramsX would probably be superior due to its superiority in its mobility, armour, and firepower but its multirole function is definitely lacking when compared to the Panther, so the AbramsX would be best suited to be supported by recon and battle stations while the panther would be able to act alone when in combat but it would be more vulnerable and deal less damage than the abramsX

[@djneverblock7300]

@@h4per_txt565 "superiority in mobility" is a really relative thing to tanks. if you would compare the kf51 to the abrams x it wouldnt be much of a difference since we are talking single degrees when turning and some km/h when driving ON ROADS. the kf51 has higher effective range and NEARLY the same level of protection. at the end it doesnt matter but in a theoretic 1v1 situation the panther would win just by having the bigger caliber.

[@geekmechanic1473]

​​@@djneverblock7300 that may not be entirely true. The size of the gun isn't exactly indicative of its performance, for example the abrams x has the xm360 which uses electrothermal chemical technology. Note the xm360 is based off the previous xm291 which was able to achieve similar performance to that of a 140mm.

[@Stalkergames916]

@@djneverblock7300 gotta remember the abrams x is a prototype it ain’t final so things can change I see the gun being 130mm eventually either way the tanks use the same stuff for the most part

[@svorog6195]

Rheinmetal is just 2lvls up always

[@MK-xc9to]

The Panther can be eqipped with an unmanned 5.56mm Machine Gun Turret " Natter" which can be used to shoot down Drohnes or to defend against infantry . The Panther will be equipped with reconnisance Drohnes which enables the Tank to detect/shoot at Targets out of direct sight . I am sure that the 4 th Seat will become usefull in Future , may it be for an Drohne operator or for an Platoon Commander .

[@davidhuber6821]

He is totaly right

[@honkytonk4465]

drones

[@avarion9538]

The drone can intercept anti tank missles aswell

[@agentjohnson3973]

@@avarion9538 thats what the trophy system is for, the drones will be loitering munition type drones and reconaissance drones.

[@janschneider9764]

The natter is a 7,62 mm gun on the kf51

[@xerxes02amstart47]

Nice! The US just did it! They brought the Abrams to the Level of the Leopard 2A7V. The KF51 also has a fully working ADS. Besides an System to detect Threats like Infra-red guided missile launchers. It is fully digital, has the most significant armor worldwide. The Abrams just got an update on its Canon thats still less precise than the Leopards Maincanon. Its so sad to see, that this is the newest Tank from the US. Germany did it better, they allways do, maybe the US should just ask for some help again, like they to if they need something in the mikrotech sector.

[@johanlassen6448]

M1A2SEPv3 is already better than Leo2A7V so calm down little one.

[@dangilbert895]

Rheinmetall and GDLS should collaborate on the next generation NATO Tank. The Panther and AbramsX are both beasts but a hybrid of the two would be better than the sum of its parts. Not to mention the overall price would probably be drastically lower if all the major NATO powers were producing the same Tank.

[@Sakura.Skrunkly]

Last time they tried that it didn't work that's how the leopard and M1 happened...

[@thecurlew7403]

Thats what I said choose one build it in every nato country providing jobs with 300 each nation you end up with over 3000 mbts train together parts are available in each country and are the same but these political nuts cant think that way.

[@TGTexan]

Its because NATO countries have different weather and terrain. They build tanks based on their roads, terrain, and logistics

[@thecurlew7403]

@@TGTexan A road is the same world wide its made from Tar tanks like rifles are made to operate in cold and warm or sandy weather so I dont see your point its political control which is money thats what it boils too.

[@tonyman905]

@@thecurlew7403 roads are actually very different from country to country also different bridges and different ways of transport

[@ronaldotrumph8960]

The KF51 will likly also come with something like a trophy system (module to be added) which can protect the system from incoming ATGM (top and side attack).

[@wolflarsen1900]

no it wont. trophy is an isreal system. rheinmetall invented its own active protection system called strike shield

[@charger6634]

@@wolflarsen1900 I dont think that strike shield can be installed on the tank(never saw), and it is deadly for the infantry moving nearby

[@eQui253]

so the tank has achievments ? nice

[@BraunBuxe]

@@charger6634 Rheinmetall said the KF51 will have strike shield after it finished development and its not deadly for infantry moving nearby. All APS work after the same function of shooting a counter projectile to destroy the incomming attack.

[@gecgoodpasi1654]

the "trophy" system u ment is the taps i think and it also has strike shield

[@NotThatBob]

Both tanks are amazing. Usually winning boils down to training. Better training and support = 1st shot, 1st kill.

[@dublindutch6346]

Both amazing pieces of tech. I like the Pather's styling, so sleek. Happy to see that the Abrams X still very much looks like an Abrams. I grew up with Abrams and Leo 2's in Germany 😊. Now all we need is 80's camo, both these tanks have fugly paintjobs.

[@vynicle2284]

panther is literally leopard 2 hull + new turret and gun

[@brianvanveghel7815]

I think both tanks are awesome

[@EXMX28]

​@@vynicle2284 Abrams too.

[@syrez156]

@@vynicle2284 panther's hull looks a lot different, but the armor composition is probably the same.

[@KennyT187]

@@syrez156 Panther has an addon NERA module on the front hull, other than that it seems to be Leopard 2 hull with next-gen ERA tiles one the sides.

[@MrCheeseBoi_1986]

Well both are indeed great tanks, but the Panther takes the cake for being one of the most technologically advanced MBTs out there. And also the fact that the Abrams X isn't still a full on MBT

[@gregparrott]

Other than the Abrams X only being presented at a concept level at this time, WHY don't you consider it a 'full-on MBT?

[@RickySpanish12344]

I absolutely hate hearing them mention that the Abrams are being built to meet "climate and electrification initiatives". It's more global warming bullshit. These tanks should be entirely designed to protect it's crew, and destroy the enemy. Climate change should have absolutely nothing to do with it's design. To do so means sacrifices must be made, making it an inferior tank.

[@joeblowe3180]

@@gregparrott anti-American bias

[@kilianhufgard1035]

both are tech demonstrators your point makes nonsense

[@nofwild6325]

Plus if i know German mbt’s it going to be a quarter of the price of the abrams x ( which is not even a prototype it’s just to show off what they COULD do but I doubt they would it’s too expensive on the other hand it it’s the us military budget so )

[@whitebeauty759]

I like both tanks. Amazing.

[@scrubvision5652]

concept copied from t 14 armata which is deployed already while these ones are just prototype

[@whitebeauty759]

@@scrubvision5652 Oh no. You mean that Russian catwalk-tank? The tank mr. Putin only shows on parades and not at the real battlefield in Ukraine?

[@Kerbalizer]

​@@scrubvision5652 xD how is this copied from the T14? They're totally different. The Russians have an entirely different MBT strategy. Just stop with your praisal of stupid russian paper tanks

[@classicgalactica5879]

​@@scrubvision5652 Wrong. The T-14 Armata is nothing more than a rip off of old, rejected U.S. technology from the 1980's called the M1 Abrams TTB.

[@Yuki_Ika7]

@@scrubvision5652 the unmanned turret idea is good in concept, but as we know all know to well, Ruzzia just makes bad tanks and the components are just not as good as the west and the west's allies, hell most of the actually decent to good components of modern Ruzzian tanks are not from Ruzzia at all

[@HrMattila]

They are both great MBT's but it all comes down to the crew, the ammo, the use of the tank and training, training and training of the tank crew.

[@phoenixsui]

And i think also who has the right info about the Battlefield. Situational awareness.

[@honkytonk4465]

and ........training!

[@bullet0657]

no shit

[@theimmortal4718]

These upgrades make it a much better tool

[@warelite5368]

@@honkytonk4465 ya that's why he said the crew smart ass

[@Sinn0100]

Can I just say...that I love them both?! Man it's freaking awesome that we're allies in this because I would hate to watch these two beautiful machines hammer each other into oblivion. Addendum- While I am an American and have to go for my Abrams X, I have nothing but respect for the KF51 Panther. I haven't watched the video yet but even if the Panther wins I'm okay with that. I can't wait to see the many revisions these two mean machines go through.

[@Curry_Communist]

I’m an American and a history nerd and I am very interested in these types of things. But when I look at something like the f-35 or the abrams X I think to myself- we are never getting free healthcare are we?

[@Sinn0100]

@@Curry_Communist Well given that we are not a Socialist country one shouldn't expect socialized health care here. Personally I would rather have the ability to go into a hospital and be seen immediately for any problems I may face than be forced to wait in a que than can take years to get help. Further, I enjoy being in a country where even if you're too poor to afford medical coverage you will be taken care of, every time. Thankfully, most medical coverage one would need is free here in the states despite what others tell you. For reference- I'm am living proof of that. Despite growing up poor with a severe medical disability I was able to claw my way out in the most equitable, most free, and just society the world has ever known. In most countries I would never have made it past adolescence (8 neurological procedures so far, 5 surgeries on my stomach, blind in my right eye, and extensive nerve damage). Thanks to our access to incredible life altering medical techniques and technology I live a full active life. Lastly and finally on topic, when Communist nations like China decide to threaten you and your allies it helps to be ready with the best military hardware money can provide. When China decides to square off with the US (it's coming) the new tanks, jets, and carrier group will pay dividends. Hopefully, the people in China will be ready to remove their Communist shackles when the US/Chinese War kicks off.

[@gabrigmr5808]

​@@Curry_Communisthehe, german generalized health insurance(basically free healthcare)

[@Flash224]

@@Curry_Communist Probably not given that you blew your final chance with Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primaries. But hey, for someone that doesn't live in the US I'm very thankful for your exorbitant spending in the military sector. If the US wasn't playing world police, east Europe and South East Asia would look a biiiiiiit different now.

[@Elenrai]

Eww

[@vengefulgrape7512]

German and American engineering never ceases to amaze

[@petarm6495]

LoL famous american enineering...

[@Cormano980]

What american engineering, they don't lead in quality in any technical domain

[@andrewtarini5711]

@@Cormano980 24 trillion gdp would say otherwise

[@Cormano980]

@@andrewtarini5711 I was talking about quality, like being the top product in a line, best car, best gun, best tv set etc.

[@vengefulgrape7512]

@deepdriller6030 they do. They have arguably the best planes, tanks, and ships. America has been said to have the best sea fleet and air force in the world. Whether that's true or not remains to be seen. But as the US spends more money on its military than every other country put together I'd say it's a well-deserved claim.

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

Situational and tactical awareness is key; as they both can drive and shoot while having good protection; imo. Enjoyed the vid 👍 Greets from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, T.

[@harrison00xXx]

Wenn die Menschen nur wüssten an welche "Kunden" Caterpillar gepanzerte Baumaschinen verkauft und was diese anrichten RIP Rachel Corrie, 23, 1979-2003, am 16 März 2003 Mohammad Ali Hasan an-Na’em, 27, im Februar 2023 in Gaza

[@tonnywildweasel8138]

@@harrison00xXx : yes. war is absolute horror. when in it to long, you will become horror. I'm so sorry for your loss.

[@harrison00xXx]

@@tonnywildweasel8138 You think thats only a war? What in israel happens is a GENOCIDE, and all western countries support this genocide!

[@johannesdolch]

Except the KF51 isn't actually the designated successor to the Leopard 2. There is a separate development program called the Main Ground Combat System that several nations participate in (or are observer to).

[@classicgalactica5879]

The Abrams X is not a future replacement for the Abrams. It's a technology demonstrator.

[@-Lazy]

​@@classicgalactica5879 nobody wrote that

[@Scapestoat]

@@-Lazy It is mentioned in the video, you doof. :P

[@Micha-qv5uf]

I don't think that will ever happen though. And even if it happens it will most likely incorparate the Panther rather than using another MBT. Why wasting developement costs.

[@johannesdolch]

@@Micha-qv5uf "Why waste X?" is a question no politician or bureaucrat has ever asked.

[@natf6747]

With the upgrades in drone tech. I expect to start seeing carrier vehicles with 10s to 100s of drones. I mean even if it’s just for recon, that would be crazy. Imagine having one vehicle stop in a safe location and launch a large amount of drones to provide attacking support or highly valuable reconnaissance info.

[@RonsoLp]

If im not mistaken those drones are also armed with a small warhead. Not enough to kill a mbt but enough to blow up a Car

[@StruggleGun]

There’s some video out there of a F-16 dropping a payload full of hundreds of drones

[@natf6747]

@@RonsoLp no. Drones are destroying tanks man.

[@thuggeegaming659]

I thought about this too, and it already is happening to some degree. You can even just attach drone launchers to existing vehicles like Humvees, although a dedicated drone carrier can potentially carry a lot more, especially if the carrier itself is also unmanned. And yes, drones can destroy tanks if they attack its top and it uses a HEAT charge. Drone defense using large autocanons firing shells with proximity fuses would be necessary to defend against drones.

[@natf6747]

@@thuggeegaming659 yeah. I am thinking about the things like the sky shows they do with drones but instead have them programed for surveillance. So have 1 truck that had maybe 100 smaller drones and they just have a preprogrammed flight path with multiple drones flying over the same spot in order to provide a back up. And maybe attached to the truck would be immediate response attack drones that would use the collected information to go hit the target.

[@musicanderson]

Pather is ahead of everyone in my opinion, especially design just wooow

[@the5gen]

Slick designs on both the Panther and the AX

[@holgere.]

I'm wondering whether the advantages of a hybrid drive in a MBT balances against the additional maintenance, repair and logistics challenges.

[@MarcoWandel]

A combination of both Tanks in an attack seems to be the best way to use them. Panther with it's more powerful Gun especially on long range in combination with uav capabilities find and destroy enemy vehicles. Abrams with it's good protection and this autocannon would be nice for middle range Tank fights and close up fights against soldiers. Together with Himars and Rch155 for support... At least, both Tanks will have their own areas in which they perform best.

[@proislam1447]

Yes, X to the frontline, while KF51 blasts away all from behind, so nothing left to do for X

[@thepuppetmaster2116]

All weapons designed by Germans are superior. In fact the Abrams has a Rheinmetal canon.

[@arturasstatkus8613]

Thank You,I trust in German enginering♦️♦️♦️♦️♦️

[@philchristmas4071]

Looking at both of these tanks it would be awesome if we could actually collaborate and build a tank together. So we could redeem ourselves from the last joint venture. 🇺🇸🤝🇩🇪

[@Till_Eulenspiegel]

Leopard and Abrahms are exactly that, but Germany and the USA couldn't get together.

[@Razor-fv2tv]

I think both countries tried that in the 1960s and 1970s. Since both sides wanted to implement their ideas, the result was a much too expensive and useless tank. However, the Abrams and the Leopard evolved from this collaboration.

[@PeakyBlinder]

panther looks sick

[@augustusrex8150]

Panther looks great.

[@PeakyBlinder]

@@augustusrex8150 great is sick. Sick is great

[@carador9286]

It doesn't really matter which of these two is better. If anything, they will fight side by side, not against each other.

[@user-ko1hi1fy9z]

Weak.

[@Kuzey__]

i honestly liked the kf-51 it looks so great can't imagine the what future brings to these combat vehicles

[@helenodetroyo7035]

future,what future? more debt for the oppressed working-class people? Yes, because what they do not tell you is that the taxpayers are the ones that will going to pay for these.

[@rodrigoquiroga8590]

Both looks to be spectacular Hi tech MBTs, and interestingly both share a common origin....

[@PrefoX]

yeah abrams is using the rheinmetall gun

[@Razor-fv2tv]

In my opinion, this is very far-fetched because the KF51 is a completely new development as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong). But maybe we can agree that the origin of modern mbts in both countries goes back to the MBT 70/KPz 70.

[@mvn3949]

Can see through smoke and see thermal without engine on? Gaijin is not prepared to include these 2 in war thunder.

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

The KF51 Panther is prepared to be fully remote-controllable ie the crew does not actually have to be in the tank.

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

Almost any modern tank can be controlled remotely and not only modern, such stuff has been tested by majority of tank producing countries in late 60th, anyway, this only creates questions for reasonability of having huge combat compartment trading protection for volume.

[@Lius525]

@@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov One thing is being able to remotely control a vehicle, another is being able to do so while the enemy is trying to actively jam the signal or worse yet hijack it. There is a reason why all tanks are still manned.

[@Geezus_bred]

Here’s me just patiently waiting for it to be added to WT sometime

[@masterprobro3358]

that will take a long time they both needed to be nerfed badly unless they would be way to OP

[@qwetzq9757]

And then they will put the russian Armata in and make them absolutely overpowered because of russian bias, wich they MUST do, because russian government can and will punish them for bad propaganda about their vehicles. It’s the same reason why world of tanks has a huge russian bias. 🎉

[@8020erwin]

I think they would work well together

[@sarcof3459]

These are beasts.

[@reeceoconnorryan6281]

I used to work building and setting up exhibitions and not long ago we did Rheinmetall's job in Brisbane in Australia. very cool stuff I must say. we had to get inducted and had security checks every time you entre the exhibition centre, had to have your lanyard with your i.d around your neck at all times... soldiers walking around armed, mini tanks, drones, atv's, ammunition and much more on display. There where protestors that stormed the centre and chained and locked themselves to the tanks and things. There where sooooo many props sitting on wooden blocks in the car park underneath the centre so the tanks and things would not fall through the floor above the carpark , absolutely crazy stuff when your standing next to them I must say. The government just comes along on the days and the company's that are apart of the show like Rheinmetall try to sell their shit to them. I was in heaven tbh. If I was left alone in there for a day you would of came back to destruction 😏.... but a guy can only dream cant he.

[@aj-2savage896]

Hard to be as thoroughly respected a legend as the Leopard 2. But there it is.

[@GeneralGayJay]

I think electric engines might be a thing in the future. The acceleration is just awesome

[@evilfingers4302]

During WW2, Ferdinand Porsche was the first to pioneer the use of an Electric Engine in the early stages of the development of the infamous Tiger I.

[@gjna5143]

Not with 60 tons it ain't 🤣

[@tonyman905]

dont think so they have less efficiency and energy density

[@GeneralGayJay]

@@tonyman905 Maybe a hybrid then with the acceleration of electric- and range of diesel engines.

[@tonyman905]

@@GeneralGayJay i think maybe if hydrogen engines get developed to be better they might get used since they have incredible efficiency but ithink they right now they have less power

[@renumihai5263]

the Abrams is an "sneaky" MBT, where Panther is an "Bad ass I'M HERE !" mbt, both are next gen MBT, both are very good improvment, also wher is the EMBT from Nexter Group (France) that is also an state of art MBT ....

[@tonyman905]

nah the abrams x isnt a next gen mbt its a tech demonstrator so its not actually a mbt

[@kousand9917]

@@tonyman905 holy fuck, WE GET IT, and it IS and MBT. Its a tech demonstrator OF AN MBT. And it is next gen, it has everything which GDLS has which is next gen and is showing of what the next gen tank will be able to do.

[@tonyman905]

@@kousand9917 A tech demonstrator only is for showing off tech so it cannot be used in duty since in a tech demonstrator the synergy between the systems dont matter

[@lenoxD]

The EMBT is also an German Project.. france Just joined the Project a few years ago

[@muroxy352]

EMBT: RHEINMETALL, THYSSENKRUPP and then Nexter. You see? Again a german MBT. That project will surely fail, that’s why RM released KF51 Panther as their own MBT.

[@peterfox6159]

Since every military has different goals and the tanks have to perform under a great variety of conditions aswell as in different roals in different military ecosystems ... Honestly ... They are both superb 😉😊

[@Milson44]

That might be very basic question, but how the super advanced camera will behave when hit by a large caliber ammunition? Edit: when I say a large caliber, I want to say a gun usually carried by a soldier, not a direct hit by a different tank. Edit 2:is there additional armor after the camera?

[@Scapestoat]

I suspect that the whole module is designed to rip away if hit by something significant, and otherwise designed to allow high calibre AP rounds to pass through it. With a spare stored somewhere, most likely?

[@Milson44]

@@Scapestoat yeah, that would make sense thank you! :)

[@KashtanGreg]

No, not protected, if it gets hit (either by other tank round or by artillery) its gone...

[@basshunterdota625]

KF51 🔥

[@datpudding5338]

The abrams may have more features but also looks like much of that was an afterthought. While maybe being overall more capable the KF-51 seems like the more rounded/balanced option

[@joeblowe3180]

Source: German arms manufacturers

[@d.f.9140]

Kf 51 Panther has 3 Man in the hull, with complete automatic turret and the option of a 4 th crew member. Where did you got the info from for it having 4 members distributed with 2 in hull and 2 in the turret? The official data video from 2022 states otherwise. And even informed why there is the option for a fourth crew member.

[@amigatommy7]

Both amazing.

[@hzzn]

The panther literally looks like a future tank. The abrams x looks like the current abrams.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

What future looking is this panther as tall a 4 story building? Abrams look more slim and low profile which is very effective for combat and panther is good for catwalk.

[@Darkbribe09]

@@totoitekelcha7628 they are litteraly the same dimensions. Panther: Hull length ~ 7.8 m Width~ 3.7 m Height~ 2.5 m Abrams X: Length: ~7.9m Width: ~3.7m Height: ~2.5m And thats without the machine gun on top. I love how you say "looks more slim" and assume facts by just the looks of it. Also the Panther is an actual MBT and the Abrams is just a TTD. One is real one is not.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

@@Darkbribe09 you seems to have not seen Abrams and Leapard tank in real life huh? Leapard 2 tank is much higher in profile than Abrams tank and also much louder sound. Now, the panther also seems to little taller than leapard 2 tank so either way panther tank will be much higher and louder than Abrams X if they both got into production. Tht turbine engine of Abrams is quiter than that of leapard diesel engine. Go and and see and feel in real world without garbage paper base theory.

[@Darkbribe09]

@@totoitekelcha7628 Nono I do agree. The Leopard is taller than the Abrams. But the panther is not a redesign. It is a completly new model and has not a lot to do with the leopard. Also I do trust paper more than my eyes. Since both tanks are not really available yet and you can only tell by that. Also why would the paper have false information if the tank in real life would be much bigger? Makes no sense at all. But you compare last gen tanks with new tanks you have no info about? There is not even a common ground to discuss but the preview info we received from both manufacturers. I also dont see the point in comparing these two tanks - not even the last gen tanks. Abrams is a good tank but maintenance is a bitch. Leopard is a slightly worse tank but it just runs and can be repaired in every workshop. It is like back in the days: "The mighty Tiger tank - best tank ever. So much armor so big gun" Yes, it's true just from raw stats it shredded every Sherman tank but it was broken half of the times and could not be produced in numbers. Thats why for example in ukraine they prefer Challengers and Leopards because they dont have the logistics for the Abrams tanks. If you have the logistics it is a perfectly fine tank.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

@@Darkbribe09 Panther will be more taller than Leapard tank. Germany does not make low profile tank. If you dont believe me go and see it personally. Their is no way panther will be low profile than that of abram X tank. I cannot tell you how software and tank guns will differ between Abrams tank and panther but definitely Abrams X will have a lower profile.

[@in9836]

love the many abrams x tech improvements that are very exciting, especially the ability to turn off the main engine and heat signature by using only auxiliary battery power that could will be stealth at a certain degree especially while waiting to ambush it's prey, that's pretty neat!

[@aldocarulli3054]

With modern thermals this is not happening, but they auxiliary battery is surely a welcome step forward that can be useful in a lot of situations

[@Scapestoat]

The Abrams Turbine engine is very powerful, but guzzles fuel like nothing else, and makes a ton of heat. Partially moving away from it is not going far enough, if you ask me. Logistics wins wars, and those engines put a lot of strain on any logistics system.

[@seventeenfive4635]

@@aldocarulli3054 You'd be surprised at how much of a difference 1 hours time stationary with the engines off makes when it comes to thermal signature. Running tanks glow bright as day under thermals but they quickly dissipate heat and become hard to notice after 2+ hours. Thermal sights make it extremely easy to see heated targets but much more difficult to see unheated targets vs optical sights. I spent a lot of time with opfor calling for fire using a puma drone but a stationary tank that's cooled down will frequently go unnoticed if it's part of a large battlespace. Sitting in a spot and waiting is a very common military tactic and the hybrid battery will definitely make that approach more effective imho.

[@helenodetroyo7035]

YEAH, above all will be very "exiting" in the raise of the public debt that you will have to pay.

[@AaronKnight-fe1vm]

They are two beautiful and mighty tanks

[@enrico2838]

Is it right that the abrams x is a completly new development and the Panthers base is the old Leopard 2?

[@markcerwin4733]

i need to try it for myself before i buy one

[@dac33nr58]

Abrams X looks cool.

[@andrewgault8106]

Both are phenomenal😊 machines. The US is going lighter and more mobile considering our greatest Near Peer enemy is in Asia and transportation and logistics will be more of a factor in a potential conflict. Both systems compliment each other. Additionally, South Koreas Black Panther doesn’t get enough love.. it is game changing as well.

[@JoeGameVideos]

is it me or are those modern tanks look more like those space tanks from the future? damn they look smooth like galactic smooth

[@evo3s75]

iirc, the KF51 panther has 2 crew in the turret and 2 in the hull Not 3 in the turret (also since that seating position for the driver and specialist would be in the turret's "nose cone")

[@kousand9917]

yeah I noticed that, annoyed me so much.

[@muroxy352]

Turret will be unmanned like T-14 Armata.

[@user-pr9er1vu6g]

Монстры🔥🔥🔥🏅

[@Neorott]

The modern battlefield is all about combined arms. Air, sea, land, and space. No matter how pretty the tank or how many gadgets you can shove on to a chassis, it still won't survive without combined arms domination.

[@karlturner8460]

Wow. Both of these systems pay homage to the MBT 70. Its all nice until somebody knocks out all the cameras and sensors.

[@markusbosch2112]

Wäre ich Verteidigungsminister, von Deutschland. Hätte ich sofort veranlasst das 100 Panther gebaut werden. Zur Truppe kommen, und trainiert wird. Zusätzlich hätte ich bestimmt das co2 neutraler Kraftstoff erzeugt wird um unabhängig zu sein. Und dann hätte man eine schlagkräftige Verteidigung aufbauen können. Und zusätzlich mehrere 100 lynx 120 bauen können.

[@ralfmeyer9086]

Tja, nur da gibt es das Bundeswehr Beschaffungsamt. Die haben Jahre nicht mal Unterwäsche hinbekommen. Und jetzt 100 Panther? Das zu machen, die gehen eher in Pension

[@philippdinkhauser5639]

Eher 1000, wie Polen. Die Russengefahr ist ja gegeben.

[@_-_sinexus_-_]

Glaube du hast nicht ganz so die Ahnung davon wie schwierig umsetztbar, teuer und unnotwendig das alles wäre

[@movsar93mn]

A tank is just as good as the crew that operates it

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

so get a t-62 a great crew and set it against one of these beasts. crew and techonoly are both important or we would still be fighting with stone edge spears.

[@CrusaderMKIII]

They plan to make the KF 51 completely unmanned in the far future that would be a game changer in my opinion but we dont have enough tests to see if the tanks hold up to their high expectancies

[@intetx]

Doesn't the Panther also have a non coaxial machine gun? It's seen on some pictures in the video as well.

[@Hellenkeller777]

Love the Abram tank. Both are great additions to NATO.

[@Nonnofred]

Maintaining an electric engine must be fun on the battlefield

[@rickjames18]

If we are going based on looks I have to say I prefer the Panther but I think the Abrams X has a few systems that could make it stand out. I am just not sure about the armor, seems like it is meant to be more lightweight so a trade off was made with armor.

[@gerrybonono6672]

How about comparing the Main Guns Range?

[@tonikvesic3130]

The German tank KF51 Panther is definitely better, i.e. the better attacking version, so just talking about the 130mm gun that will dominate other tanks, and other things that will be added on the day we're talking about.

[@Adierit]

The caliber does allow it to have more penetration sure, but 120mm APFSDU would still beat a standard 130 round in terms of penetration. Depleted uranium tends to only be used by the US and UK.

[@jonny2954]

@@Adierit No.

[@michaelcraig58]

@@Adierit the new interest in larger caliber guns has nothing to do with needing more penetration but for longer range..

[@Adierit]

​@@michaelcraig58 Except that was the entire qoute for needing the bigger guns in the first place? The entire reasoning they had for the 130mm was wanting more penetration to defeat more modern tanks.

[@mxtt30]

@@Adierit “the larger caliber increases penetration and effective shooting range up to 50%” ~Rheinmetall

[@jacospies7418]

I think aventually, the kf51 panther will, because you forgot about its aim assist and remote controlled 12.7mm machinegun, it also has room for improvement to make the whole tank be controller by 2 crew aventually.

[@vanhorne7]

Panther is absolutely amazing, fire power and completely new desine

[@raymondwilliams2609]

This is like being back in my childhood when your Mum was going to buy you something, she would ask "which one do you want ?" To which I would reply, "can I have both of them ?"

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

The Abrams X looks badass

[@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr]

I like more the panther, but I believe the abram is better

[@tonyman905]

@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr why is that

[@jayb4667]

​@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr Germany always made super good tanks and guns. I think the Panther might be better because of its engine and the drone launcher

[@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr]

@@jayb4667 Abrams also has drone launchcer and now diesel-electric engine

[@lenoxD]

​@@qwertyqwerty-zi6dr ​the Abrams x got only 1 Drone.. the kf51 got 4 drones that can fly all at the same Time.. the Launcher can be also Used for Spike/hunter Killer missile.. Just saying xD

[@rimuru2497]

Bro forgot to mention the automatic machiene gun on the Panther.

[@mrow7598]

Do they have washer's available for the cameras? Nothing like going through the mud and all the camera's are blocked.

[@Ganhedd]

If big brother dismisses things and forgoes a comparison, then he knows exactly how the comparison would turn out

[@aaronknight1430]

I think the two are the best ☺ tanks made

[@marshallmonroe8803]

In another video they mention that the KF-51 Panther also has a separate missile launcher

[@ronaldotrumph8960]

The drone pot can be also used as a missile launcher (e.g. spikes?).

[@BraunBuxe]

@@ronaldotrumph8960 It can carry 2 types of drones. Either 4 scout drones or 2 larger hunter killer drones.

[@richardkim3652]

@@BraunBuxe I'm pretty sure the modern Abraham tanks have drone launchers already though. I saw a military channel about history of tanks and tank crews and they put it on some of the Abraham.

[@BraunBuxe]

@@richardkim3652 I think the new tech demonstrator Abrams X or whatever its called has them but the M1A2 Sep doesnt have that.

[@rschris]

I that new Abrams’s is going to be a true Beast, the best part is this video didn’t speak about the special things it can also do.

[@clausbohm9807]

These tanks look like something out of The Terminator movie.

[@YorktownUSA]

It's easy to see which one is European, vs American based on looks alone. They build them different.

[@thevortex6754]

One the Ambrams X becomes an actual MBT, I think the KF51 and new Abrams would be Yin and Yang, complimentary to each other while also being a threat all their own

[@dumbsharkyboii6485]

Wdym the Abrams X becomes a actual MBT? It's just a demonstration, while the KF51 Panther is an actual prototype

[@A_Steam_User]

i heard that lockheed tested a sort of microwave shield, i wonder if we could get a tank with that on it once we get more powerful batteries? i really want to see it on the next fighter jet.

[@saifulislam-mt7pp]

In what ways have tanks adapted to different terrains and environmental conditions, and how does this versatility contribute to their effectiveness in warfare?

[@h4per_txt565]

don't forget that the Abramx X's cannom is a ETC cannon (ETC standing for Electro, Thermal, Chemical) which uses plasma ignition to ignite ETC ammunition which gives far superior penetrator velocity over traditional casings, this means that a heavier and denser penetrator could be used while still maintaining a higher velocity over the 130mm cannon in thus more penetration over the 130mm.

[@h4per_txt565]

3:54 this isn't TAPS, and just saying the APS on the abrams covers for TAPS.

[@h4per_txt565]

the abrams X also has lesser visibility on thermal sights due to the hybrid electric powerpack,

[@bigoy-bigoilapoienarulbigo1493]

cant wait to see this guys in war thunder

[@robertpatrick5861]

What i wonder is... if the 130mm together with drones and the high range... might enable indirect fire. That is why they want the Larger shells.. auto loader and drones. When you can shoot targets that cant even see you. Would also make the huge range actually useful. Would also remove the need for unmanned crew. As other tanks wont even be able to fire at you when the terrain is in the way.

[@4DModding]

"Panther" - Need I say More

[@SanTenChan]

Greatest tanks.

[@meintveldman4769]

They both look great, but the Panther is lacking a more modern engine/ drivetrain, while the Abrams still uses the powerfull, but aparently finicky, hard to live with gasturbine. A smaller, but similarly powerful diesel ( hybrid) than the Leopard 2 engine used for the Panther is available and would be better than either option.

[@gjna5143]

There's nothing modern about a noisy gasguzzling turbine engine. Abrams will likely have more torque to, which is more important than horse power in a tank.

[@aaronknight1430]

I think that KF51 panther is going to have a better Hull the leopard is just to show their new turret protype system model not Hull just yet

[@classicgalactica5879]

The Abrams X uses a hybrid diesel/electric engine.

[@aaronknight1430]

Yes abramx does have a engine like this but the company behind the panther it must have planned for one after all how anyone can move it around without one I think the panther has a engine you a little sily on this no tank maker would created one if they had no engine to drive any battle tanks on to a warfare

[@kousand9917]

@@gjna5143 Gasguzzling? eh, all tanks are gaz guzzlers, noisy? Not at all, close in yes, far away, no.

[@tony18662]

several things speak to Abraham x advantage . 1. All crew situated low in the Tank 2 . Gun. 3. Hybrid engine 4. network systems extremally important in the future battlefield.

[@bombomos]

Well holy shit. I never thought I see the day tanks becoming 1950 futuristic designs

[@onewayroad3765]

Reinmetal should make a modern tiger tank

[@jayb4667]

Well the Panther in 2. world war was a Medium Tank and the tiger a heavy tank. So what would a modern tiger now look like?! It would be insane i guess

[@vast634]

@@jayb4667 100 ton tank with a battleship gun

[@jayb4667]

@@vast634 you talking about the schwerer gustav? XD

[@d.f.9140]

The modern Tiger will be no tank.. The modern Tiger stays a helicopter and I'll be damned if they don't modernize it to royal Tiger/Tiger 2 as it basically is a successful platform.

[@sunrae3971]

Seems any new Tank will need some Drone Defense. Not only to protect the Tank but also surrounding infantry. I am looking forward of what the Gun Turret " Natter" is actually capable.

[@Aeon_Electronics]

The Panther looks incredible! What a beast!

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

Just keep in mind these aren't competitors unless it's competing with who gets the most kills against the same enemies. These are tanks of NATO nations and they'll be working together so no matter which is the best they'll complement each other on future battlefields. Oh the future looks like it's going to be an interesting one. Can you imagine driving into battle from either of these and seeing the other one working with you and shooting the bad guy you missed? Go get them fellas!

[@BlackBoxEnte]

Tell that the french submarine producers

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

@@BlackBoxEnte but we're not talking about French submarines.

[@BlackBoxEnte]

​@@darrenskjoelsvold you didnt knew you were talking about them. Its a conter argument to show the validity of your claim that there is no competition between nato. Of course there is competition hence the french submarine example. Google "french submarine australia" to get on the loop. It is very naive to assume we are a bunch of friends in nato. "We" in nation states, are a bunch of geopolitical actors with alligning interest. friends in politics. a good one

[@darrenskjoelsvold]

@@BlackBoxEnte I never said that countries have friends. I merely said that they are both tanks from NATO nations and they are likely to be working together. NATO interests align which is why they are allies. In the future NATO nations might be against each other but that's not the case today and if we don't screw something up then it won't be the case. Honestly peace and stability is best for everyone. Wars are really poor means of getting what you want. Often you end up expending more resources than you gain. If you have to spend more than an acquisition is worth then it's a net loss. War is a net loss in today's world because the cost of equipment is so high. Think about it these machines and weapons are the pinnacle of our human achievement in killing each other. The caveat is that because the weapons and even the ammunition for these weapons are so advanced that means they are also very expensive and that increases the cost of war. We may be in a position where the weapons are so expensive that war is cost prohibitive. Truly the only people who would go to war are lunatics who don't care about the cost. So having alliances like NATO bring stability and stability is best. The nations of NATO are run by rational leaders and their interests are presenting a strong enough front to make even the ultra crazy take pause and reconsider aggression. Having the most advanced technology like tanks is more a deterrent than anything else right now and that's a more stable condition than we have had in the past. It's a lot like Cris Rock's suggestion concerning guns. Make the bullet exorbitantly expensive and that should stay the hand of a would be aggressor. So if war is too expensive for what you would win then that itself is a deterrent. And when you have alliances to contend with that increases the cost. So maintaining said alliances become a priority.

[@TheChill001]

they are competitors...maybe not in the field, but whenever you make something the US also makes, even if you're in an alliance, even if you're supposed to work together, the US will turn it into a competition xD

[@pduderocker]

If the idea of super modern weapons systems such as these two superior designs is to detour bad actors from going forward with sinister plans, then I think they are both on the right track (pun intended:). We certainly need these advancements as it’s clear the current variations are not achieving this idea or objective. I hope that we never have to witness, on a real battlefield it’s true effectiveness.

[@Bennet2391]

This is part of the driving force behind these innovations: Make war as expensive and difficult as possible for a potential opponent. Force them towards diplomacy, by projection of military power. "If you want peace, prepare for war"

[@cringeboi8896]

this makes me miss old tanks

[@brianpeterson5559]

How many of each tank will be produced?

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

American made and German made two great engineering

[@tonyman905]

But geman engineering on top as always

[@classicgalactica5879]

​@@tonyman905 Keep dreaming.

[@tonyman905]

@@classicgalactica5879 Leo 2a7v is the best tank in the world

[@derratze445]

The current Abrams is already half German.

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

@der Ratze I can say the exact same. Half of the leopard is already American. Guess what that is? Microchips, semiconductors, and microchips are American invention, and the leopard is half American.

[@lyn-jhonosia8981]

Man, so undermined the Russian tanks nowadays, Abrams X was pitted against the KF51 Panther. Can't blame it though

[@spongegobler3449]

Bro modern Russian mbt’s are literally just t80’s/t-72’s with more ERA. Russia will always have inferior tanks if they don’t change.

[@gregparrott]

This is an interesting comparison. Thumbs up for posting. The narrator's presentation favors the KF51 and misses identifying some of the features that the Abrams has in common with the KF51. Both are heavily networked, carry drones, have many new sensors, including ones for addressing top-down attacks. This presentation has an error. It says the Abrams X will still use a turbine. This is incorrect. It will use a hybrid Diesel electric system. That is a major enhancement - reduce fuel use by 50% and enable the tank to move slowly for short distances on batteries with the engine off (stealth).

[@ColonelStanley]

There is one big difference between the two designs. The Americans have money, hundreds of billions, to develop their projects... Germany currently does not have such funds. Last year, Scholz promised 100 billion euros to modernize the german army. Does anyone still remember that??? 😂 The Germans clearly bet on the development of Leopard in the A8 version. Perhaps someday, in 15 or 20 years, another country will decide to cooperate with Rheinmetall and then they will build something more than just a prototype. As for now, only the Americans, the French and the British are producing their own tanks and working on new designs. Japan and Korea also have new machines... and still working. Do you know any other countries that will be able to afford such a very expensive tank, so that the costs of introducing these new technologies will pay off??? Maybe the Persian Gulf states, I don't see any other takers. Kind regards - S

[@gregparrott]

@@ColonelStanley Thanks for the reply. Yes I remember the 100 billion Euro promise. I think that was a pledge to be spread over a ten year span. Are you' saying Germany really ISN'T committing to development of a new tank? That would be news to me. I understand we have deep pockets for weapon expenditures, but I was disappointed to see that as relates to Ukraine, we've spent over $46.5 billion, which is more than three times the COMBINED weaponry of the rest of NATO. I want us to provide ATACMs, more Abrams, Javelins, Stingers, etc. But the European NATO members REALLY NEED to step up their 'game'.

[@ColonelStanley]

@@gregparrott Yes, they need to step up... The Germans created a joint program to skin the tank of the future together with the French.... but a year or a year and a half ago they split up and now everyone works separately. However, Germany and France are currently unable to provide adequate funds to finance such a project. Perhaps it will be possible in 15 - 20 years. They're not even worth it now. Look at this - Germany has about 300 active tanks, so is France. The project of a new tank is currently unprofitable for them. So they will develop further versions of Leopard and Leclerc. I'm a Pole and my government will spend for the army 4% of GDP in the next year... and 5% in 2025. Poland will spend almost $500 billion on armaments by 2038, but i think it will be more. We have a border with the most dangerous (next to China) country in the world, and we do not intend to fight them for several years, as Ukraine does, we do not want our cities to be demolished... we must scare them away. Our greatest allies are USA and GB. Germans and French dream of returning to "business as usual"... with russia. They want Poland to be weak, to be dependent on the help of their small armies and to buy weapons only from them. Both countries are constantly blackmailing us and trying to influence the results of parliamentary elections in our country. This is the truth, that's why we cooperate with other countries... and not with them, even though we belong to the EU. We manufacture our own weapons and buy mainly from the USA and South Korea. We gave Ukraine circa about 70% of all post-soviet (and not only post-soviet) equipment of our army, now we are disarmed and slowly waiting for deliveries... from the USA and Korea. Kind regards - S.

[@gregparrott]

@@ColonelStanley Thanks for a new reply, one which does not now appear here. (could be a KZbin bug). Yes, I know that at 4% GDP, Poland has committed the highest percentage of GDP of any NATO member, even more so if Poland then jumps to 5%. Kudos to Poland for addressing the threat. Poland led the way back when Lech Wałęsa led protest movements and later became Poland's president. I saw another KZbin forecasting that Poland (along with Turkey) will be the next superpowers among European NATO members. Weapon deliveries have been slow. I know Poland is awaiting quite a lot of 'items' from the U.S. I also hope the U.S. will belated provide Ukraine with more than 31 Abrams, even outdated Abrams, while Poland would get the latest variants with more sensors and advance armament. The ATACM missiles should have been provided, starting a long time ago. They would likely have a greater effect than F-16s because the logistical, maintenance, and hardened bunker/airport infrastructural issues for fighter jets are likely too complex to be introduced and addressed in the middle of a war.

[@stefanb6539]

I think in future the main guns will be found on tracked drones, while the crew will be in a separate vehicle maxxed on mobility, survivability and network capabilities.

[@Blackout5871]

I can't wait till they make a MBT and name it the Schwarzkopf.