Millennials Don't Want a Job: Asmongold Reacts to Anti-Work

[@thaksjtube]

the first mistake was calling it anti-work. literally the worst possible name you could have given it

[@momentofenlightenment6004]

Exactly

[@AJ_Ol]

“Fuck these billion dollar companies we want better wages and benefits” should’ve been the subreddit name. Although there are a lot of lazy dudes on that subreddit

[@GRat9717]

"workreform" might have been a better way to go...

[@chaselewis6534]

@@GRat9717 A lot of moved over to that. It originally was an 'antiwork' subreddit when this 'mod' joined. However, it changed. Just no one bothered to try to kick out the mods since there was no reason too. Now they go on a power trip and people are like 'who the hell are you?'

[@Wolfrich666]

i thought his first mistake was going to fox news.

[@kieranevans4884]

My experience on r/antiwork has been more of people sharing their stories of being abused by the system, working ridiculous hours for next to nothing. My impression of r/antiwork isn’t so much anti-work, it’s anti-abuse of power

[@ihaveacar]

That's what it's become. But when it started and was just people like Doreen it was literally people like them who just didn't want to work.

[@bobfromacounting7385]

@@ihaveacar I view it as the other way around. It started out as a subreddit of people posting texts about their boss being a dick, and them quitng. Then the sub blew up and people like Doreen started to flood In.

[@ihaveacar]

@@bobfromacounting7385 That's not what happened but okay. Doreen is the lead moderator there.

[@bobfromacounting7385]

@@ihaveacar just cause someone is lead mod does not mean that they founded it. And most of the old posts are what I described.

[@nemielolxd]

antiwork was coopted by libs after a few of those posts. its not anti abuse of power its anti power and anarchist. its about creating a society where work is no longer a thing.

[@alisonx2501]

Got one thing for you: Daycare. I was working 60 hour work weeks. One check each month was to pay entirely for daycare. Then: Covid, that caused a whole metric ton of problems with not only my personal life but my JOB. The final straw in this story was being FIRED because my kid got so sick (from all the people I had to pay for Someone to care for her so I could do my job) I had to take her to ER for an overnight stay on 2 IVs. Fired for that! They told me I should've left her alone in the hospital! Outrageous. If Employers stopped treating people like absolute disposable garbage and then firing them for absolute ridiculous reasons, might not have a problem now.

[@KK-sg5gl]

Wow, horrible! I wish you the best. I had a similar situation when my girlfriend was suddenly admitted to the hospital. Her life was on the line and because we weren’t married I was threatened with losing my job. I try to play nice and be upfront, but was told off. So I just played their silly game and called out sick. Fuck the corporate world and the state/federal systems. They’re all the same. We’re all just numbers to them.

[@minecraftrule101]

I'm sure you could go against them since you have a emergency reason

[@kwando472]

What shit hole of a country does this to people?

[@aidancook5851]

The

[@iiRaWDaWG]

I mean at the end of the day you chose to have a kid when you weren’t ready for one. Take account for your own situation

[@onorbit]

Not wanting to work is one thing, but expecting other people to work to supply you with things is quite another.

[@Alpejohn]

Yes! I dont mind people that dont want to work as long as they are able to pay for their own life somehow.. Im not paying for their life.

[@Mikael-jt1hk]

@@Alpejohn Correct. You are not. Not one person on welfare receives a penny of your money. Learn how to read.

[@timgibney5590]

That's the thing. The people mad at their bosses for being held accountable for coming in late and not finishing their work on time get furious that very night when their order is late at a restuarant and poor quality service. lol. Talk about hypoctrical.

[@feelthepony]

that's being a shareholder, it is the very foundation of the economy, you just have to be born into the right family for that.

[@Brianworldwide_7]

In my opinion is not about people not wanting a job, it's the shit they have to eat from their bosses/managers. Some of these people are so hellbent in making your life worse than it is.

[@AxxLAfriku]

Chill out, what ya yellin' for? Lay back, it's all been done before. And if you could only let it be, you will see that I am the funniest YouT*ber of all time. Admit it, my dear follow*r toc

[@thalanoth]

What do you do for a living? Just curious.

[@DreadnaughtZero]

I have the chillest boss ever. I work QA and as long as I get my shit done and done right boss doesn't care what I do. Compared to a few other places I've worked this job hardly even feels like one. I know how shit it is to be treated as a worthless, replacable peon. Shit is awful and shouldn't me the norm.

[@sebastiangaibur737]

If you work in retail the problem also lies in customers, specifically the entitled ones. Had to leave my job at Starbucks because ever since COVID seems like a good amount of people have forgotten manners/ common decency.

[@MrBakedBagel]

@@DreadnaughtZero QA is the secret man, mine is the same, as long as the work is done, why not have a good time. QA's seem to be the chill crowd 😂

[@YoshiTheWise]

"You're not forced to work"......Yes you are forced to work! There are cities where it's illegal to grow your own food and collect rain water and illegal to sleep anywhere but a house. And if you do own property you have to pay property taxes because the government has declared that it actually owns all the land and you're just renting. Homesteaders and Amish-types are harassed for tax evasion all the time even when they've owned their land for 100 years.

[@dirtbeard108]

enjoy living on a sidewalk then

[@dirtbeard108]

not my problem.

[@Sofiaode18]

Wow, some people are fucking cold blooded.

[@dirtbeard108]

@@Sofiaode18 how many homeless do you put up for the night?

[@Sofiaode18]

@@dirtbeard108 Honestly, not a lot of homeless people around where I live unlike shithole America. But I'm not apathetic to their struggle unlike some people here.

[@scuffedwizard]

When cost of living keeps rising but salaries don't, you're going to get a bunch of people who don't want to work.

[@mrgreen3002]

I'm sure not working will fix it lol

[@sCr33nSh0o71]

so the only thing you will do when the cost of living keeps rising is to not be able to aford living?

[@TriscoG]

@@mrgreen3002 let it fail who gives a shit. The system only works out of confidence, if everyone doesn't want to believe in this and just starts using crypto etc you change jt overnight.

[@tucket2000]

@@mrgreen3002 mass strike = companies don't have workers. Companies no workers = no products. No products = companies lose money. Companies lose money from no workers = companies raise wages. That's how they want it to work at least. They forget the last step which is "companies raise wages, then raise prices to compensate for lost profits, then cost of living increases".

[@Derpleton14]

Doesn't matter, we're flooding the country with low skill workers who will replace these people. But I'm probably a fascist for suggesting that.

[@RinoaL]

Wow, I really loved this. I happen to be a very active person who likes making things, and working for myself, but I hate working for others. Just because you don't want to work 8 hours a day doesn't mean you're bad, and definitely doesn't mean you're lazy.

[@XShadowAngel]

There's nothing wrong at all with being self employed if you're getting your bills paid.

[@Fenix.29]

pls become president

[@johnfisher8401]

@@XShadowAngel and saving money. You cant just pay bills the rest of your life

[@andrueanderson8637]

Just going to throw an alternative perspective in here to break up the echo: "lazy" is relative. Obviously there is no objective measure of laziness because it is directly dependent on the opinion of the observer. To even begin to discuss whether or not a person is being lazy, you will have to form a base of reference. Until you and the person you're talking to both have the same set of facts available, you're just wasting your breath trying to come to a conclusion about whether or not the person is being lazy. Regardless, keep in mind that it all boils down to measuring oneself against others. Many people simply don't care what others think or feel when it comes to a decision point about whether they need to change their behavior. At the end of the day people will jump through endless hoops and do crazy mental gymnastics to justify their decisions to themselves. If you think about it, they don't really have any other choice when the alternative is to permanently end their own irresponsible consumption of society's resources

[@XShadowAngel]

@@johnfisher8401 Correct. IMHO, people have more of a spending problem than anything. People want to work minimum wage jobs but have the lifestyle as though they were working 6 figure jobs.

[@Sioolol]

This dude looks EXACTLY how I imagined reddit mods

[@chanr9531]

If you told me fox had hired an actor to play THE most stereotypical reddit mod look, I’d have believed you with how he manages to knock nearly every redditor stereotype off the checklist.

[@greezyxl9862]

This dude looks like he got fired once and hasn't left his home since. He makes Asmon look like a hygiene God.

[@ZombieWolfe]

Dude Omg I thought the same exact thing.

[@pepeef]

Still dude on the left looks more punchable

[@hotrodhunk7389]

Yeah that guy is super cringe 😬

[@A3Fit]

"You can quit any time" Aren't people currently also complaining about people quitting these low wage shitty jobs so now they have trouble getting their fast food service?

[@GamersUnitedGaming]

Hence why the movement is stupid. If people did what they always preach about then things will change..but they always expect others to tell them what to do.

[@mup8661]

Bro legit, hospitals and first responders employers and have said "you can quit if you don't like it." for years; covid hits and they loose 50% of their workers and now people are dying because it takes 40minutes for an ambulance. Well, if the paramedic wasn't making $18-25 an hour they wouldn't have quit. If the hospital wasn't worried about increasing that quarters profit margins they would have had more nurses and doctors working at a given time and your mom wouldn't have sat in the lobby for 7 hours.

[@WeaselJCD]

nO oNe wAnTs tO wOrK anYmOrE

[@chanr9531]

Too bad these people get what they asked for 🙂 it’s their problem now

[@whydouwanttoknow1945]

@@MeldinX2 when u say u have it easy because u live in Sweden u have to add the context that it comes at a cost... U have by far the biggest tax rate in the whole of Europe. If u don't say that then a lot of people look at Sweden as a golden example of how economy should work. I live in the uk an I'd much rather have our unemployment system then yours because people who work shouldnt have to give up vast amounts of the money they work hard hours for to support those who don't but have the ability to.

[@BakedBones420]

My job was having me work 10 hour days and at any point they could force me to work 6 days a week, and if I don't show up for those extra days you then get a warning then termination. This was never mentioned before I got the job, there are plenty of companies that are underhanded and think they own you. Never suggest working at lockheed martin.

[@sagen06]

Same here. My schedule was Mon to Thurs. NOPE! Mon to Sat. Enjoy your money!...B-but I cant spend it if Im always working...

[@sadi5713]

sounds like you need to sub to r/antiwork and find a solution to your problem, they are quite knolwedgable about your rights there.

[@mup8661]

What's crazy, is that I've heard the same thing from people at grocery stores, game devs, bankers, doctors, and janitors. Who I haven't heard the from? People who are part time with hourly conditions and people with their own business/hussle.

[@JoshuaGraves113]

Last job I had before the one I got now would force me to work between 12-15 hours everyday, 6 days a week. We never got time off and when we took any we got berated and fired after the "2nd offense"

[@powerbeard5653]

@@mup8661 unfortunately these days so much of the world is owned or practically owned by megacorps that it's not practically possible for most people to start their own business. and the 0.1% who might turn into actual competition gets fucked around by said megacorps until they give up or sell out.

[@gengl671]

I'd say people do not not want jobs. they' d like to have a job. A job that provides meaning, a job that provides visual impact on the people around them. a meaningful and always refreshing set of tasks they and others put together to enjoy the day as well as help the people around them. it' s only human to want such things for each other and for ourselves.

[@rasmuserlandsson2204]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[@sencrew5293]

Nah, we want a job that pays enough to live comfortably. The majority are working 2 jobs and still living paycheck to paycheck.

[@masterblou2119]

Sorry to break it to you, losers want jobs, winners want a source of income.

[@stronghandhanson]

This I pack cases in a warehouse where for 10 hours straight I talk to a robot and don’t have even a single conversation with a person. Shits demoralizing and they love to say feel proud your making a difference… lmao no we’re not this isn’t fulfilling it’s shit

[@brendanmccarthy492]

True. But watters isn't wrong... this guy is Lazy. The very definition of asmongold. And targets the majority of his audience. I think asmongold got alittle offended by watters. Even tho His political views I say are more right leaning. Especially McConnell. And their best friends

[@HWFchamp]

"If people don't like the conditions and pay of their job, they can just quit." (People quit) "Why are people so lazy?!"

[@keithemerson7662]

You are missing one line. "Stays out of work for 6+ months" Just put it right above the last line.

[@Robert-ms2xs]

@Keith Emerson You are aware there are many facets to our labor shortage right? You don't have to take the smoothest brain approach possible. You have many people in the aging population that are retiring early/not working due to increased risks for them during this pandemic. Hell, there are many states that ended increased unemployment and saw little to no movement on people not working. This isnt to mention that our median age is increasing with people deciding to not have children in larger numbers likely due to uncertainty but there are a lot of factors to consider there too. I guess you could just blame laziness or some mythical generational difference that isn't backed by statistics to make yourself feel better. When you have something occurring across states in varying areas with much different cultures/demographics you definitely don't have a simple problem.

[@keithemerson7662]

@@Robert-ms2xs You are aware we are not really commenting on labor shortages or even really unemployment statistics. OP was commenting on a sociological juxtaposition in the workplace. I, on the other hand, am inferring that most people only take that view on people who remain out of work for a prolonged time; usually riding unemployment.

[@XirlioTLLXHR]

Absolutely fucking true. I live in a country where quitting your job and not sitting on it for 10+ years is viewed as being a bad employee. But the truth is, we're literally selling our body and mind for money to these companies and they still dare to not pay us a proper salary, in our country at least.

[@realdragon]

Oh yeah sure I will just quit and eat sunlight

[@knightofjustice5475]

I understand the grind, but I'm often never more happier than when I've freshly quit a job. The novelty wears off and you need to pay for things like the doctors and dentists and to eat healthy somehow. But mental health breaks are lovely.

[@bsx132]

The problem is they want to work a dog walking job like this thing wants to while also making $27/hr and doing it 10 hours per week, it just isn't and wont ever be feasible. If you want to work low hours and work a menial job then don't expect to have luxuries other people have who put in years of work in a trade or school make. $27/hr is average pay for a decently skilled welder or entry level RN in most states.

[@simplynini7566]

@@bsx132 the issue is, that a welder should definitely make more

[@TheSilentWalkerz]

@@bsx132 Too be fair there’s also a huge crisis of companies exploiting illegals. They pay them next to nothing and that’s why wages aren’t increasing when they can just hire illegals and pay them way less

[@bsx132]

@@simplynini7566 But then if we say that for everything, all prices increase and it doesn't matter either way... If every single person was paid more based off of their experience and skill level it would just make the cost of goods and living go up more.

[@VengFPV]

@@bsx132 To be fair, I know a dog walker who does full board, she makes about 45k a year (in the UK that's pretty damn good, it's like earning $100k+ in the US)

[@lumerarkenstone]

"I try to listen to what people are trying to say rather than what they're actually saying." If there's anything in this video I whole-heartedly agree with it's this statement.

[@MyaB1986]

You mean "I hear what I want to hear and not what's being said". Met plenty of people who perceive each sentence the opposite way of what was said or what the message was only cause they felt like it. At least you admit you're insufferable brat.

[@Gaunerchen]

In my experience, most disagreements come from a place of bad communication of true values and goals. People like to attribute malice to the opposite site, while most of the time, they want to achieve the same goals you do, but disagree about the way to get there.

[@Android8054]

@@MyaB1986 Everyone is like this, including me and you

[@Chernould_]

I don’t really agree with this, because it makes it so easy to demonize the “them” group that is trying to say anything to you that you don’t wanna hear.

[@chanr9531]

@@MyaB1986 i think this is meant more to engage in a conversation in good faith. You don’t need to take literally every word at face value but to examine what the point they’re trying to get at. I’m sure we all had conversation where someone may not be getting their point across and then someone else adds onto the conversation/ rephrases it so people understand it better.

[@ClearKnowingFeelingHearing]

I became disabled recently due to an invisible illness that pops up in your early 20’s if it was genetically passed down to you called hEDS. I had to stop working. I previously had put a LOT of worth on working; thought I was completely worthless without it... but the pain I got from working literally started to bring me to tears. It’s been a year of not working and I still have a shadow of that shame I felt so strongly when I had to bite the bullet, stop flipping between jobs that got easier and easier in terms of work load, and just stop trying to do it anyway, completely. Our society is pretty fucked, honestly. It’s like people are praised for leering on others not only for their type of job, position in said job, but how many hours they work; what else they’re able to accomplish in a day, how much they bust their fucking ass for a company that, most of the time, doesn’t give a single fuck about the labour we’re shamed into doing as much as possible of. Personally, I can’t wait for the inevitability of a universal currency being paid to all, either. And not because I don’t work now, but because humans shouldn’t be bought and bred like animals that have been taught to nip at one another for being the “slacker” in the herd. Frankly, it’s sick.

[@alexandrakatzenbach3902]

Hi, @Skye Lights. Have you ever thought about changing job type. Maybe IT or something similar. My mom's husband diagnosed with a brain disease, when the nerves in your mind start disconect, your libs stop working properly and even easy life functions became harder (sorry I forgot the name of the illnes, but I think it's a genetic one as well). So he was a manual worker, construction works and furniture building. His condition became worst (he kinda give up and became really grampy and his condition drastically changed) so he changed jobs as well. He worked at a parking garage as technical support. Easy job usually they answering questions and help customers pay or find their cars and then in the mean time you just watch a film or spend your time as you wish but in the office. You must to be there. That could work for you too. But I am not sure if you have this type of work where you live. So when his condition became worse again and he couldn't go in the office, he started to rebuild/ repair computers/laptops and resell them. It's not bring a lot money but still he tries. Sorry for my long post. I wish you will find your way. If nothing else find something you are good at and build on it. Like if your english is good go, youcan try to be a conversation partner for learners online. If I am correct it still has a market for that. There are a lot options out on the internet. :)

[@blueorb13]

Look at this asshole reply still trying to get you to work, missing your whole point. Lol

[@ElevatedLevetator]

Let me tell you. As someone who has had alot of trouble adapting to society their whole life, and also been terribly physically sick for the last year. I completely agree and understand you. Not having a job for a while makes you see things clearly. Its all status-seeking, self-validating, toxic, big dick contest oneupmanship. And people are so programmed they dont even know they are programmed. They ARE the program

[@PretentiousLatinName]

Came for the WoW content, stayed for the economic/philosophy content.

[@LiveLXStudios]

That’s unfortunate. Have my pity.

[@highfrequencymonkeyman]

The Asmongold experience

[@BertMagurt]

@@VAFranky You can have mine

[@Gohmal]

Yes dood EZ

[@pete1208]

I came for the analysis, stayed for the dog fucking jokes

[@olee6607]

My experience of r/antiwork is not so much of people who don't want to work, but rather stories of people who have been mistreated by corporatism.

[@OlTimeyChara]

That's what the sub is meant to be, but this mod is the worse person to interview

[@Adanu191]

Shill talking heads on lamestream media are the norm now.

[@biggestboss]

My experience with /r/antiwork is that 99% of the posts are fictional creative writing exercises designed to outrage people just like AmITheAsshole, JustNoMIL, etc

[@tarbosh917]

antiwork is to work reform as 'defund the police' is to police reform. Horrific messaging that takes the lead on the effort/movement that on the surface doesn't represent what's desired at all.

[@kmurphy0620]

Thumbs down this video. Asmon promoting right wing propaganda

[@WarChortle]

I work 48 hours on average per week. I'm much more happy now then when I was working in corporate accounting. Almost all my former co-workers have also left and are in a better place. For me it's not about anti-work, but finding a better work environment. I don't wake up every morning with severe dread. I don't feel like I've done something wrong for taking my lunch break. I don't get additional workloads dropped on me randomly then blamed when I need to work overtime or why a task is taking too long. Toxicity comes from believing employees are expendable and replaceable. If you can make yourself a valued asset it gives you more agency in life. I thought it was a bunch of B.S. when people say "do what you love.... don't have to work a day in your life" and yes, this statement is a bit /eyeroll I do feel like there is some truth to it. Also, the reason why people need a dog walker is because they're stuck at work answering pointless e-mails that end up being a fake way to create work for others. If these people had the time I'm sure they'd like to walk their own dog.

[@benboy9554]

What job do you have now?

[@WarChortle]

@@benboy9554 I went from banking and accounting to running a wine/sake store.

[@stormtrooper22]

@@WarChortle is your sake store in the US? I'm just curious because I know sake is from Japan

[@GhostStealth590]

This is why I don't regret getting into film, video, and content creation. I love what I do and it doesn't feel like work... But if I was forced to work at Walmart or Hardees the rest of my life, chances are I would've game ended myself. I think a lot people of agree retail, fast food, and factory work is the most mind-numbing, degrading, low-paying jobs you can ever acquire. Because I've been at all 3 and I never wanted to die more than then.

[@cherub0nyx]

damn all work is important, the reason those jobs are regarded as "mind-numbing, degrading, low-paying jobs" is because of people who look down on them. Those kind of people are disgusting, they don't understand the value of other people's work.

[@johnacres4977]

@@cherub0nyx did you even read the comment?? Those jobs are literally soul sucking... What else do you expect from low skill labour

[@cherub0nyx]

@@johnacres4977 what isn't soul sucking? you think being a content creator isn't? 😅

[@Blackcloud288]

I truly think that the main root cause of ALL of this is literally "The rent is TOO DAMN HIGH"

[@omarct]

Long term rent should be illegal. Either sell the house for cheap or keep it empty while paying taxes for it.

[@kreaturekie6753]

get out of the cites

[@ringozan]

tfw your landlord asks for rent but "Ill get you your rent if YOU FIX THE DAMN DOOR"

[@citizensnips3850]

@@omarct That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.

[@bannartis]

Alot of people pay rent because they don't have the know how or want to bother with maintenance costs with owning Thier own home

[@Tyrth_Thegamer]

What i think this should be about more is settling. Right now it hard to find a 40 hr work week job from like 9-5 that pays well and u dont have to worry about much then going to work going home. I hate working as much as the next guy but i know i have to to sustain a certain lifestyle. But i dont wanna feel like i am working my entire life away just to sustain a lifestyle i barely get to live cause im at work all the time. I think thats the message people are trying to get across.

[@jon_ovo3653]

9 to 5 in general it sucks your life away for what amounts to nothing most of the time for majority of people You’d be working everyday almost…get paid pay bills back to work with little down time or time to live till ur old and dying

[@Tyrth_Thegamer]

Yeah i get it trust me i hate to work as much as the next person but that wont change in my lifetime. This is the most somone like me can hope for

[@jon_ovo3653]

@@Tyrth_Thegamer ❤️ you’re pretty cool bro I hope everything gets better for you regardless if everything is good right now 👌🏾

[@nicelight7794]

@@harambe4267 I've seen a few companies in headlines switching to 4 day work weeks, claiming they tried it for a while and productivity stayed the same or even went up and employees were overall happier. I HOPE many more companies pick up on this soon but knowing how things are that's probably not going to happen.

[@1Plebeian]

Also, people have fetishized "hard work" mostly because it's gotten harder to believe and so you have to exaggerate the "meme" so that it can hold everything together.

[@rddeb9304]

I'm definitely not anti-work, but I do have a problem with a lot of these "lower-education-jobs". the thing is that not only are you being treated like shit, you're getting paid shit. The problem with the statement of ''Everyone has to work hard'' and ''if you truly want it, you can make it anywhere'' and these type of lame comments, is that not everyone is born equal in terms of physical opportunities/good parents/IQ etc. I think by creating better living standards for the ''lower-education-jobs'' we're solving a lot of problems.

[@Justaguywithglassesok]

the place i live want me to work lifting stuff when i have bone problems with pay that is complete shit and even less than what i earn now without working, i like working, but im not doing it for less or for free.

[@acewings221]

I think of all the companies I’ve worked at where i’ve worked harder than everyone else and gotten passed over for promotions

[@physetermacrocephalus2209]

The real problem is that in truth not everyone has to work hard. This is a lie. Additionally; working hard simply does not accomplish what it used too.

[@randalica92]

@@physetermacrocephalus2209 work smarter, not harder.

[@georgec8451]

You're not actually being paid shit. This is a falsity. People have never been paid more than now, and have never had easier jobs than now. What you don't know and don't realize, is the fact that people are paid so well directly reflects itself in the prices. So when you say "I want to be paid more at my work!" guess what. millions of other people say the same thing in their companies...they get wage rises...the company INCREASES THE PRICE to the products these people make, and then you complain that "but wait, i wanted to increase my wages, but i also see product prices increase!!"

[@marquiseMindfang]

Asmon can be so fucking based sometimes. Kinda guy I would love to stay up until 2am drinking beers and just talking abut random horseshit with and putting the world to rights.

[@Tecolote41]

He doesn't drink alcohol, but that would be interesting.

[@aquietplaceinthedark5458]

@@Tecolote41 .....

[@Tecolote41]

@@aquietplaceinthedark5458 I had to 😅

[@pieswimmer1]

He's not your friend lol

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

Feels less like "no more work" rather "work that's humane and worth a damn" People in the past could support a family of three on a single income earner, now both people work and can't even support a single home, let alone children. This needs to change.

[@TheCocomunges]

Yeah, especially with what that sub did with Kellogg. The workers were on strike, then Kellogg tried getting scabs. The subreddit flooded the job applications with false info and kelogg couldn’t get replacements so they had to listen to worker demands

[@sten260]

its because of all the inflation and bad monetary policy, we were on gold standard when you could support a family with just 1 wage. Now working isn't worth anything, it's all about assets to beat inflation, you can't beat inflation by just working. Rich people don't work ,they use debt to buy more assets which pay them more each year and inflation deletes their debts

[@joshuamoody7729]

Can you say it louder for the previous generation in the back?

[@27182818284590452354]

The last generation who supported families with single income sources did it at the expense of the next few generations. Reaganomics helped the West to outlast the Soviet block, but it cannibalized its own foundation. It's 30 years too late to turn it off, all what's left is to crush and rebuild from poverty. If you are a zoomer make babies and hope that they will develop the economy in time to support you in your twilight years.

[@Thecraftyblacksheep]

@@sten260 true

[@SoniasWay]

“I always try to listen to what people are trying to say rather than what they do say” Best thing I got from this video

[@zlkanglwrth2776]

Kinda, that kind of thinking promotes the woke proggresive "you are being micro aggresive" mentality when you inferr offensive messages where thete are none

[@winterfire567]

@@zlkanglwrth2776 That's not listening to what people are trying to say, that's hearing what you want to hear, and that's a huge difference.

[@kabrozkabroz]

I love that. People who try to understand where you're coming from instead of just jumping on the exact way you word it. Sometimes conveying your pov is hard. Some of my best friends are notable just for their ability to catch on to things I'm trying to say.

[@TheMrCarnification]

@@zlkanglwrth2776 the opposite is also true. Trying to listen to what the person really meant to say instead of sticking to a mildly offensive or impolite word they did say

[@zlkanglwrth2776]

@@TheMrCarnification then the speaker has the responsability to say what he means clearly, and the listener to allow the explanation, assuming things just leads to misunderstandings

[@GhostoftheTenthEye]

in texas the minimum wage has been 7.25 for 20 years even after 2 going on 3 "once in a lifetime recessions" and a 1 going on 2 housing crashes. inflation is going up at an exponential rate because of covid and people are fed up. theyre looking for new jobs that actually pay them or getting into a trade just like how everyone else not deal with those circumstances told them to do and now theyre mad that they are heeding that advise.

[@FreeMenDieFree]

Only 2% of companies in the US pay minimum wage. I'm always amazed at you folks who cry about minimum wage and businesses not paying higher wages when the government and the central bank are the cause of inflation and robbing people of their prosperity through taxation and Inflation. Always blaming the market and not the government.

[@MrSandvich03]

@@FreeMenDieFree Cause private companies are the good guys and will pay you enough right? Inflation can occur naturally in times of prosperity, do you know that?

[@disser3849]

Thats a literal meme, your parents or grand parents were able to deal with inflation rates that were double what they are now. Russians were able to deal with 3x the inflation in the US in 2014. People really need to stop whining about small blips and start looking at the bigger picture.

[@disser3849]

@@FreeMenDieFree Actually its not 2% of the companies, its 2% of hourly paid workers: "The percentage of hourly paid workers earning the prevailing federal minimum wage or less declined from 1.9 percent in 2019 to 1.5 percent in 2020. This remains well below the percentage of 13.4 recorded in 1979, when data were first collected on a regular basis." From BLS. They go into the characteristics and you guessed it, mostly young super young peopleentering the workforce.

[@GhostoftheTenthEye]

@@FreeMenDieFree really look into how many of those companies (those not on exact minimum wage) pay above. You'll really be shock to find out it usually only a 10 cent increase or even a dollar.

[@chelsalayton8969]

Yes. I had a customer come in and randomly ask me why gen z doesn’t like to work. I explained to them that I’m gen z and I can’t stand not working. Nothing is worse than working and being broke and then not working and being even more broke. I finally found a desk job that doesn’t require a college degree, pays well, 401k, health care, and I get commission. I’m so excited that I finally found a job that doesn’t require me to stand for 8+ hours a day, I’m finally going to be living on my own and not having to rely on roommates to get bills paid.

[@Tecolote41]

@@pepsiman4418 Go on the sub and ask.

[@ChaseMMD]

Call center work? I did that for 4 years i'm tired of that already.

[@ItsVes999]

@@pepsiman4418 Some get degrees but can't get starter roles because they don't have experience.

[@solarlight10]

I loved working 10hours/4day work weeks. That extra day off is great, more companies should lean this way imo. 2 extra hours a day isn't that bad

[@bedinor]

It's quite literally the same amount of time available.

[@SpaceUndies]

@@bedinor yes but the time distribution is the big difference

[@KalebSDay]

@@tannerrowland7537 No one in this entire thread mentioned working less than 40 hours per week, lol. You're just making yourself look crazy. OP, just supported working 40 hours in 4 days instead of 5...I sure hope you comprehended that and just went on a random tangent rant.

[@HienNguyen-vc7cr]

@@tannerrowland7537 it’s you who can’t do simple math (10x4=40) need to be expunged from the gene pool

[@tannerrowland7537]

@@HienNguyen-vc7cr referring to ronan comment. Please learn to read you primates. It doesn't matter the time distribution. Honestly you people are pathetic.

[@tequilashotfortnite2728]

I was anti work before I knew it was a thing, I watched my dad work his whole life away, missed events that only happened once, and he said his biggest regret was working his life away, I just want to comfortable.

[@taylemgames2652]

That is good, but don't make others pay for your comforts.

[@retiefgregorovich810]

As long as you are willing to starve, no problem. But I don't believe starving is comfortable.

[@TheCocomunges]

Just the Monday-fri 9-5 standard shouldn’t exist anymore. It’s been proven that a lot of workers often finish their work by Wednesday or Thursday. So either shorten the hours/day or total days per week

[@taylemgames2652]

@@TheCocomunges I am 100% for 4 -day work weeks with 3 days off in a row. Be MUCH better for people.

[@retro-oooooooo]

@@taylemgames2652 this comment could be taken in multiple ways. I see the perspective that people don’t want to pay for the healthcare of others (universal healthcare) because they pay enough tax as it is. The reality is you already benefit from “socialism” because your taxes go towards the police and fire department. You won’t be complaining about socialism when a team of fire fighters rushes to save you and your home and you’re not expected to pay anything. Why shouldn’t healthcare be the same way? I’m using healthcare as an example btw because people consider not being afraid to take an ambulance and being charged $1000+ to be a “comfort” in this country.

[@matyasselmek3673]

I used to work in automotive industry for 3 years, the pay is subpar, the shifts are crazy (night, morning, midday changing each week) and if you don't do overtime they fire you on the spot, they treat you like a slave and to them you are just a freaking number. Often times you just don't do your ussual 8 hour shifts but 12 or 16 hour shifts so good luck getting any sleep with shifts changing each fucking week. I remember that one month I had like 280/290 hours spent in work and they messed up my pay and said they would addres it in next month. It was this moment I realized that I don't wanna work my whole life away, I wanna spend time with my girlfriend and enjoy my hobbies. So I just quit on the spot and they were begging me if I could stay at least for a week, until they can find somebody else who is willing to put up with their shit. Hell nah

[@majormarketing6552]

Messing up pay after we wait weeks to get what we earned already. Unbelievable!

[@matyasselmek3673]

@@majormarketing6552 It was like 400usd so yeah... If it didn't happen I would be probably still working there, at least there is the bright side to it that I quit . I can understand that sometimes there can be few mistakes here and there when counting salaries but not a fucking 400usd. It is also common in my country that if your employer messes up your salary, they will simply add that amount to your next salary, which is fucking retarded if you ask me, but somehow we accepted this crap.

[@jek4837]

I live in South Carolina, and I know many people who have nothing more than a high school education and no other skills working at the BMW plant. They make great money and are better off than many people with college degrees. Where are you from???

[@Lurchstavo]

I worked At a Coca Cola factory for 3 years. 12 hrs 7 days. 70-84 hr weeks for the most part. If you’re late by 2 mins you’re disciplined and given half a point. Gotta clock out of lunch (bullshit.) treated like shit but hey starting wage was $17 after 3 years $24. Wasn’t worth it. It’s modern day slavery man. If you own a business you can legally own slaves. Business makes 100million you just pay your workers 800k between them all and demand harder work each passing year. Businesses do well and get a 10% increase to profits bc of the employees hard work. They get a 30 cent raise each year to account for inflation

[@devenshortxd4497]

i work at Honda, 40-60 hours a week, 5pm till 2am, sameee repetitive job allll day everyday, 21.50 an hour & I get to watch the ones on salary pay just be jerk offs all day and not to mention the company in charge of the clock in system has been messed up for 2 months, I haven’t been paid correctly since then.

[@ajmaynard92]

As someone who has worked on automation for protein production (specifically fermentation vessels), one of the biggest motivating factors for me personally to automate has been my extreme disagreeable introverted nature with a deep hatred for drama. I actually ferment many different things at home for different purposes like my salt water tank. Money has not been the primary motivation it has been my hatred for most people's apathy or hatred of work. A calm day with less money is worth more to me then a complicated day with other peoples lack of chill but more money. I will automate if it means not dealing with most people.

[@markwilloughby2343]

Just remember back in boomer times you could pump gas for a living and afford a house a car and pay all your bills on time. Things aren’t the same anymore and people are just tired. General labor jobs still need to be filled by someone and those people don’t deserve poverty just because they aren’t rocket scientists.

[@KineticSymphony]

You never could afford a house and car by pumping gas.

[@markwilloughby2343]

@@KineticSymphony average salary in 1922 was about 40$ a week. With inflation 100$ then is equivalent to over 1k$ today. Average house cost about $6900 in 1922.

[@markwilloughby2343]

@@KineticSymphony also average salary in 2021 was about 57k$ average house price is about 374k in the us in 2021. And house prices have increased an astonishing 416% since 1980 while wages have stagnated.

[@stinkydrain2095]

@@markwilloughby2343 The population has pretty much tripped sins 1920 and we have zoning and eps environmental laws now. building a house now is a lot more expensive and there is a lot more people.

[@markwilloughby2343]

@@stinkydrain2095 The fact is wages have 100% stagnated. Housing having a 400% increase since the 1980’s? I’m all for everyone having a job and capitalism but no one deserves poverty when they are working a 40 hour a week job. There’s enough wealth in this country to take care of our people. Because if something doesn’t change greed will be the downfall of this country.

[@mix3k818]

Good to see people pushing back a little against bad working conditions

[@mr.nobody2244]

Yeah, but not in this way lol

[@volume163]

Yeah, it’s great. Nobody should have to put up from the shit working conditions and awful management inside american capitalism. We need major changes, unions, better working conditions, an organized party to represent working people, etc.

[@XyphonXero]

@@volume163 I believe it is time to begin business profit regulation. In the past we had morals which helped regulate a free market enterprise, this is no longer the case. All workers should have a percentage of the entire profit earned. A 1% cut off of the top is NOT unreasonable to invest in your employees. No offsets other than perhaps a tax deduction. If a particular business does well, so will all of their employees. If it does not do so well that year then there simply will not be the additional paid monies. This not only would lift up those barely surviving but also give meaning to the employees, a sense of being directly involved in how well a business does. Seems very logical to me.

[@coreytravisbean]

Absolutely. Unfortunately a huge part of the population has been brainwashed into believing if you aren't working 80% of your waking life then you are lazy. We work our asses off so that major corporations can make billions while we barely afford our bills. America specifically has some of the worst working wages/conditions in first world countries. The only reason we are considered the richest country in the world is because of the people on top. If you took out the top class from every country and only looked at the middle and lower classes we would rank one of the poorest in the world. It's sad, and even more so when some people who are stuck in this never ending cycle actively fight to remain in this cycle instead of wanting better for themselves and their fellow Americans.

[@dgdfgfnh968]

@@volume163 lol mfw capitalism is a commie term it's a free market if you don't like it quit.unions exist.i work are why should I get in trouble for some lazy ass that dont want to do his job.

[@awerges2205]

The second he mentions laziness I'd just say he is mistaken and this is innovation. I'm a software dev. I'm now working from home instead of commuting to work every single day, so my work day has been reduced by about 2 hours. Those 10 hours a week in commute are effectively 10 unclocked work hours that I never get paid for, so why do them? We have solid internet connections in 2022. No reason for me to go to office except for the occasional meeting.

[@shanehunt3019]

Reduces traffic, opens up land from corporate ownership for more physical business that needs the space and logistics, reduces stress in the masses, not sure how it would affect the power grid, and allows people to just have better schedules in general.

[@TWP13]

Same. I work in underwriting full time for State Farm. We've been full time work from home since March 2020. I've saved so much in gas and time not commuting.

[@Pnaraasi94]

@@shanehunt3019 It's probably beneficial in terms of the power grid too, since people are likely using more or less the same device(s) for work at home and at the office, and not going to the office means less office space is needed, which means less electricity consumption in offices, and I doubt the increased consumption at home is more than the aforementioned decrease. Everybody wins, except companies who build and own offices

[@seanmcgrady8688]

I agree with you, although this is sector specific. I wouldn't want my carpenter to have the same attitude, otherwise I wouldn't get a new wall.

[@himboslice_]

i’m a software eng and excluding meetings I work 2 hours a day or less lol. i have co workers who do 2x my sprint point and I make more than them. a lot of naive fresh out of college grads who think more productivity is the way to promotion lol

[@Sweetluckk]

Working for 40 hours a week for 40 years straight is honestly depressing and that’s why my goal since a teenager is to work till I never have to work again. Im 28 and im getting closer and closer to my goal. I don’t think people realize how hard it is to devote to a craft or a skill outside of work when you spend 40 hours working , like 50-60 hours sleeping and 10 hours getting ready each week , I wanna be able to learn more guitar and go visit other places and learn new things .

[@distractedgaming4526]

The biggest argument that I never hear people use is this: "If a company and society deems a job needs to be done, should the one doing the job not be paid enough to live a modest lifestyle in the location whereupon the job must be done?" It's that fucking simple. If a job needs to be done to meet a need, then the one doing that job should be able to survive in the location where the job is located. I don't care if you flip fucking burgers, your job is there because people deem it necessary. People fucking freak out when they are inconvenienced by a drive through being closed or something like that, so clearly they believe the job needs to exist. As such, the one doing that job also needs to exist. Well, it's really fucking hard to exist when you're starving. This means that a wage needs to consider what is basically considered essential. If the business even thinks that they should be able to call a worker in on an unscheduled day, you need to account for their phone bill in the wage. They need to consider the average cost of rent in the area of about 5-25 miles around the business. They need to consider the cost of a week of nutritious food in the wage. They need to consider the average cost of essential amenities like electricity and water. They need to consider the cost of clothing, especially if "looking professional" is a part of the job. If they even dare expect a worker to be part of a work social media page, they should consider the internet bill in the wage. I could go on and on. Not to mention, for a capitalist society to exist at all, the general consumer base needs expendable income in order to purchase goods and services. Look, I'm not an ambitious guy. I just want enough to buy a tiny home, and keep it heated, stocked with enough food, and have an internet connection with just enough money left over to buy a game or two here and there. Should I be punished because I don't want to slave away 80 hours a week for 40+ years? Only to find out that once I've "made it" I have an empty home with no one who cares about me? Fuck that shit, companies have proven time and time again that they will screw over the general worker for pennies. It's about time the general work force fought back. Without the lower class workers, the middle and upper class can't exist.

[@Elementalism]

The company doesnt print money. The job is tied to revenue generated by that work. If the revenue for the job isnt there, the wage won't neither. How could a company pay somebody 25/hour to move boxes when it generares 20\hour in revenue? If they multiply that out over the entire workforce they won't be in business very long. Entry level jobs suck, they have always sucked, and I would say in the past they sucked more than they do now. Yet somehow people were able to get through it. I suggest the best course of action is to embrace the suck for awhile and plot a path out of it. If by age 30 you are still walking dogs or moving boxes. Your plan isnt very good.

[@distractedgaming4526]

@@Elementalism The only problem I have with your arguments is this: It seems you think everyone needs to move up the ladder in order to just survive. In my experience, there are maybe one manager to every ten to twenty employees. One Store director to every ten or so managers. One District manager to every Store Director. One Regional manager to every ten or so District Managers, and so on and so forth. There are only a handful of well paying jobs per corporation when compared to the massive amount of workers that business requires to function. Let's say you had a plan. Let's say you were the most dedicated and hard working person at a location. You're really aiming for that promotion. When time for the promotion comes, Billy fuck face from corporate get's the job because he was pulled from somewhere else in the corporation (due to legal scandals) and you're passed up because "It's just not right for the business" when in actuality, it's because the higher up's know you do a great job where you are, and don't want to spend the resources required to replace you. At this point, you are either stuck, or you can try to move somewhere else where you have to restart the whole process all over again. Maybe if your company can't generate the revenue required to pay your workers a living wage, you shouldn't exist? Your existence requires exploitation at that point. That worker will likely have to apply for government assistance, where guess what, the average joe is going to be paying for them anyway out of their taxes.

[@MrJacksparrago]

@@Elementalism Come to Spain and tell me that lmao. It's not only in the US that people are fed up with shitty jobs, in fact I'd say that it's way worse anywhere else. All countries have an immense debt, shittier working condition and on top of that growing unemployement. Something like 70% of the people under 35 are unable to move out of their parents house just because they couldn't even pay the fucking rent. So if my job is not even helping me pay my fucking rent (you don't even have money to buy food, pay taxes, etc.) why would I even put the effort on it? Fuck them. I always find it funny when people from past generations try to lecture us about life, and how we are not putting enough effort, well, 2 decades ago you could work on mostly everything without studying anything, nowadays is not like that, you are automatically discarded for everything you don't have a degree for, and that's not taking into account other kind of bullshit. We live in a world where you can't climb up the ladder because most of the times you cannot even get in the fucking ladder.

[@martintvrdik1655]

@@distractedgaming4526 Problem with your argument is that it is full of bullshit. People who work even lowest salaries in the worst jobs earn enough to survive in US. In fact even people who get half of that from unemployement benefits get enough to "just survive". Some jobs simply just do not deserve to have high salary which is why everyone should work on themselves and learn something so they can do better job instead. Instead of complaining how unfair the world is. Those jobs are called entry jobs for a reason, you do them during college or whatever and you are expected to do them only for couple years at most.

[@jegharetnavn8543]

Supply and demand

[@bryanh2898]

So I am not anti work, but at this point, the way my company treats me, and the way I see other companies treat others, has me wanting to throw in the towel.

[@RC-wz9vw]

I think part of it is people are also afraid of taking the leap to a different occupation due to many reasons. If possible, start diverting energy to finding a new position with a business or company they treats you well or that you enjoy the work.

[@bryanh2898]

@Urazz people who become successful think that they know all the answers to life man. This guy thinks his “engineering” job makes him superior to someone in a less technical field.

[@MyaB1986]

Well do it. But when you're suffering to pay rent or buy food you should be exempt from taking the government's assistance because that's being paid for by someone else who has to put up with bullshit and didn't quit.

[@MyaB1986]

@Urazz no what he literally said was if you want to be treated fairly at work and earn well get educated in well paid field. Don't go around crying when your only skill is flipping burgers and anybody can do that.

[@bryanh2898]

@@MyaB1986 so that’s why I’m not gonna do it lady. I have bills that, as an adult, I make sure to pay. I have also never collected unemployment or financial aid of any kind.

[@lilbeartv9039]

The big apparent issue here is a majority of us grew up during a time that being a working man looked livable/comfortable. Look at the prices of gas back in just the early 90s and imagine how much money you would have saved at this point if those prices were relatively still the same. Now apply that concept with simple groceries, homes, education, clothes, the cost of raising children, etc. Now with that in mind look at the common wage of most Americans back then compared to now. When you add it all up one begins to understand why so many people are dissatisfied or lack the drive to just work for a living. I am currently making right around 60k a year before Uncle Sam comes in along with the State and taxes a good chunk out of it. I work 40 hours a week and honestly just feel like although I’m okay, I basically feel like I’m barely getting by. I am blessed to have married a woman willing to help work to bring money to the table but then I think about well if I am barely able to do this what will it be like when I have a kid or two? Then take into account how much of your life will be spent working like this because we all know we have an expiration date. But it’s not just the expiration date that you have to account for because how long will it be until you’re too old to do the things you wish you could have done in your youth. I’m all for hard work and being a productive member of society but sheesh the amount of massive potholes along the road sure make you want to take a different route.

[@lokiofasgard312]

My wife and I work and still can’t afford hardly anything. She works 50-60 hours a week and I’m 40-50. 18/hr 20/hr and our utilities just doubled, everyone in town is pissed. We work our asses off for no reward. Not sure how much longer we can keep doing these jobs. Putting out so much for so little has just honestly fucked us so hard. Along with major events like my wife’s car accident, our one eyed cat had a few health problems just to name a few. I’ve honestly been waking up everyday ready to just give up but somehow I’m still trying, but I seriously need a W and to move to a better city that values our jobs more. They are out there and we have plans but god dang we just can’t get ahead to make a move. Working for scraps while your expected to be near perfect in the hospital. I know I’m not the only one too.

[@StarboyXL9]

If you want more kids, become a farmer. Skip the middle man. Grow your own food, harvest water from a spring, and learn to build things. They want us to be "prisoners with jobs" here in society. So leave the prison yard while you still can fren

[@koreazilla]

While I do agree for the most part. Gonna go ahead and say that 95% of people live above their means and complain that they aren't making enough or broke. The same people drinking Starbucks, eating fast food, and buying a bunch of shi they don't NEED.

[@itsanixela]

This. Tangentially, interest rates on GICs used to be amazing. My parents put our piggy bank money in GICs in the 80s/90s that we literally had no idea about (I guess you could say it was a pseudo college fund) until we turned 18 in the mid-2000s and "heyyyy I'm a couple thousand $$$ richer!" GICs are pretty shit money growers these days; the interest rate isn't really worth it and you're better off growing your money in less locked-down ways.

[@StarboyXL9]

@@koreazilla Yeah. I'm living above my means by barely eating three meals a day, sleeping on a floor mattress, and having zero furniture in my apartment. I'm just wasting all my money right?

[@timteray]

Why is working longer hour inherently better? Like there's this weird persumtion in America that if you're doing 50 hours a week than you're a good person. But most of the politicians aren't even doing they're fucking job yet they have the balls to call us lazy?

[@OwnedByTheState]

It's important to implant such an ethos in the populace to keep them working.

[@theintrovertedaspie9095]

Employee working 10 hours a week and makes 800$ America: 😠😤😒"LAZY!" Employee working 50 hours a week and makes 200$ America: 😃🤩😁"GOOD AMERICAN!"

[@OwnedByTheState]

@@theintrovertedaspie9095 and if they make 100k in a week, they're celebrated and held up as the pinnacle of success.

[@theintrovertedaspie9095]

@@OwnedByTheState I meant 800$ and 200$ a week not year.

[@barriath8841]

@@theintrovertedaspie9095 Looks like you made a wise comment stating the facts and instantly dipped hard in intelligence in answering that one comment, dude. The guy that responded to you only wanted to tell you that those that get a yearly wage of 100k and above (mostly CEO's and whatnot) rarely do jack shit productivity wise but get labeled as messiah of success. And whoever gets 800 bucks yearly is literally dead. Not even in the "cheapest" country can you survive on that a whole year. Unless you are a caveman that already lives of the wilderness - expert level.

[@Simiocrates]

One of the worst things ever taught to young people was that going to college was the only way to succeed in life. There is a huge demand for tradesmen in the US and it's a great choice for people that never enjoyed schooling and hate working in an office or being bossed around with strict hours. I wish I knew this when I was 18, I feel like I wasted 10 years looking for something that I actually enjoyed doing. The trades is the closest you can get to a true meritocracy, skilled workers are a dime a dozen and get payed a lot for those skills

[@kirarozu]

I didn't go to college and I make 35$ an hour and I do less than the dog walker. I just did enough in life and got enough experience to put myself in a position to get the job that lets me do nothing all day and get paid well for it.

[@88joshuajohnathan]

But that requires this lazy as fuck generation to actually get off their asses and work for it. These kids just want to sit around stealing oxygen and getting paid. They say they want “fair compensation” in reality they want a free ticket. They think being a janitor nets them stock options and paid vacation that someone who is in charge of 50 people does.

[@saezthetics7557]

Ya problem with trades is you blow your knees or back out at 30-40 and then cant work anymore

[@PretentiousLatinName]

Underrated comment

[@powerbeard5653]

@@88joshuajohnathan yeah bro fuck off back to TV and drinking your kool-aid. you're obviously mentally incapable of having your own opinions or thinking about anything logically, so there's no point in you even talking. just shut the fuck up and be a mindless worker drone like you were meant to.

[@brenthnatiuk8575]

I agree with most of this, but I disagree with the "he was randomly thrust into the limelight." The subreddit polled and didn't want to do the interview. And he accepted the interview so it wasn't random at all.

[@eduardocod8924]

Funny how the same companies calling people lazy are the ones paying 10 dollars an hours with inflation 😂😂

[@chanr9531]

“YoU HaVe A ChOiCe To WaLk AwAy” “Ok, I’ll quit my shitty minimum wage job to explore other options in life” “Wait you can’t do that, come back you lazy bum!”

[@Gigamokin]

Funny how the peoples demanding more pay and no work are the ones indoctrinated by soicliasm.

[@Shatamx]

And don't offer benefits or time off. They wonder why no one wants to work for them.

[@randalica92]

@@Gigamokin the term "working poor" ring a bell?

[@Syae22]

@@Gigamokin So everyone who doesn’t want to work on minimum wage is a socialist wow conservatives really love to say this buzzword

[@Sisphyus115]

I think that it's reasonable to say that most people do want to do something with their time outside of recreational activities. It may be wrong but I do willingly want to go and find somewhere to work so I can contribute to society as a whole while and to sustain myself.

[@saiunagringa8746]

Yes, I think the future will be like that. the companies offering more than a payment to their workers. We work for companies and we dont see the results of our efforts at all. And the company dont even reconize us as part of the main reason they reach success, diferent from the abuser managers who get the bigger paymet check and act like his subordinates are his family in front of the Director.

[@Spectre.Fishing]

I'm 26 with a very nice house a new truck and a boat. Never went to college. Worked 60 hours a week for 5 years almost 0 days off or you would be fired. Iv never called in sick. I started a new job search and my employer found out and instantly terminated me. I'm an anti work advocate.

[@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379]

Im almost positive thats illegal

[@00Lester]

@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 Not in "at will states" because fuck it they can fire you for whatever reason they pull out their ass.

[@WeaselJCD]

@@00Lester that's one of the reasons the subreddit was created, but unfortunately not discussed in the interview :(

[@mup8661]

@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 Nah, a lot places have termination clauses/anti competition that allow this. It's nearly bullet proof against any state discrimination and wrongful termination laws too.

[@TheAlex29494]

workaholism is not a flex unlike many seem to think. that just makes one a slave to the system and tricking you to be proud of it

[@Widestone001]

The main problem with the classical work thing is this: I work my ass off so that my bosses can reap the rewards. I am not jealous oft them, far from it - I just don't feel like gifting everything I am to them and be able to survive, live a little bit at best. Of course I can just leave, but I also need money to survive and live. So I am left with but 1 choice: Try to free myself. By writing books I am working on exactly that, but it is slow going. However, it is going and that's what matter to me. In my 43 years of life and 24 years of putting up with shitty bosses I've learned that I am not employee material. Though, in my current job, I've got a great boss for the first time in my life - so things are better than I thought 5 years ago. 🙂 Still, I am working on freeing myself.

[@ForOne814]

I just RMT in WoW. Living outside of the First world has its upsides.

[@scholaepalatinae4988]

Wish you the best, man

[@forecastjanna9229]

I am happy for you. Myself, I work as a dubbing translator for TV and I aim to be a book translator. My own schedule with longer deadlines is what I wish. Stress is what ruins most jobs...

[@XyphonXero]

I have a proposal for this: How can we realistically shave 1% of the profit generated to be distributed among the workers as a whole? Can we provide tax incentives to encourage this or will Greed truly rule this nation?

[@ACiDRiFT7]

Honestly this is the answer, IMO the issue is these companies have such a huge hierarchy and structure that is is predatory and the relationship between employees and management is often lost. If everyone started making their own businesses and it spread the economy over multiple businesses instead of one corp like wal-mart, people could pay employees better since they wouldn't solely be driven by stock estimations/prices. The stock market is just a casino with different rules, if there was more regulation or people opted out, I wonder if things would go back to when people made 50k a year, it cost 50k to build a nice house and you had a pension. I admit I am not an expert in the stock market or financial advisor, just wondering. It might be too late with inflation since the government would have to consume money and unprint it in a sense.

[@nebula8851]

Thing is, you NEED a healthy and happy workforce. The more you mistreat and grind your employees down (especially during a pandemic of a disease known to often cripple those afflicted by it), the sicker they'll get, which means the quality of labour they deliver also decreases. It's objectively in a company's best interests to keep their workforce happy to at least some extent. The question ultimately is, why are US companies so keen to ignore this in favour of burning through their workforce, regardless of the consequences? None of what goes on is sustainable, and yet it's done anyway in pursuit of one more dollar. At what point will companies realise that mistreating your workforce isn't sustainable?

[@BlazaBraka]

Once actual heads start rolling, then they will realise it.

[@olivergrayhoundII]

Because the new business leaders / government leaders / media personalities (most of them) for the most part inherited their positions, and inherited wealth and are clueless what goes on on the ground floor and only interested in short term profits. Look at Bezos, inherited 100K to get his company going, doesn't get his hands dirty. Look at Musk, inherited a diamond mine, bailed out by the government, a lot of wealth is transferred from family to family like the Waltons. Our leaders are completely clueless.

[@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269]

+ Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved." Amen 🙏!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The man in Luke 16:24 cries: ". . .I am tormented in this FLAME." In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ." Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE." And please repent of all of your sins and be baptized by the Holy Spirit before it is too late, you will never know when the time will come 🙏!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amen 🙏!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@temporamen]

I work in corporate. The truth is that they don't care. The people making the decisions aren't working with or doing the same work as the average 40hr work week employee and will never understand. Their goal, the very reason they are hired as execs, are to maximize profits. There are investors/shareholders that you need to make happy or they won't help you, so the company's goal is to make as much as possible for the next quarterly report. So they pay people as little as they legally (or sometimes, illegally) can. It will always be a tug o war. Employees want more of the pie while execs want to give out less. Optimistically, supply and demand will reach equilibrium and they will pay more, because if you don't pay enough, people won't want the job. But the cost of living is so high and people are getting desperate to pay bills so they may take a job that doesn't pay enough, or they are treated poorly, and accept being a corporate slave. And yet people are still out there defending billion dollar corporations and justifying their inhumane acts. The media is really good at idolizing these rich billionaires and companies, so no improvements are ever pushed. Even when we try to improve things, our own worker peers are against it because of this propaganda.

[@methos4866]

As is the case with humans in general, most don't care till it's too late. This goes for most things.

[@KainMalice]

I feel like this movement could be expressed in a very simple manner. “I am not against work.” “I am against working for corporate America.”

[@adamjoyce8764]

I'd express it as, "it's unfair that other people have more stuff than me and I'm lazy."

[@Multibjarne]

They really fucked themselves by calling the group antiwork and not talking about antiwork. It’s like making a group about dieting and call it antieat

[@KainMalice]

@@adamjoyce8764 …..did someone lose their dumbass boomer grandma in this comment section???

[@XShadowAngel]

@@KainMalice His comment hit a little close to home for you?

[@KainMalice]

@@XShadowAngel I am a truck driver. I work more hours than you probably ever will. I suggest you stfu.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376]

The problem isn't that people don't want to work, it's that people don't want to be the equivalent of modern slaves for giant corporations. Many, many people are giving up because with the massive increases in prices/inflation paired with decades of stagnating wages the effort simply isn't worth it anymore.

[@FreeMenDieFree]

The problem is that people blame the businesses. But they don't blame the government and the central bank whom are the real culprits to depriving them of the fruits of their labor through inflation and taxation.

[@aeow8859]

Whilst I agree with you, for a lot of people. There are 100% people on that subreddit who just don't want to work and expet to be paid to not work.

[@Willias]

@@FreeMenDieFree Taxes are one of two things that are certain in life. It ain't fucking taxes that are the problem. The problem is that over the past 30 years, the pay for the average worker has gone almost nowhere, whereas the pay for people at the top of corporations has gone up thousands of percent. If Bobby Kotick is fired tomorrow, he gets a paycheck between $250m and $300m. Blizzard employees live in some of the most expensive parts of the US and their wages aren't high enough to be able to afford an apartment. Taxes aren't the problem.

[@arasonyth3243]

@@Mochachocakon Millionaire bosses hate him!

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim5376]

@@FreeMenDieFree It's both corporations wanting to make higher profits every year until the end of time and are willing to just about anything to do so, and central banks like the federal reserve printing money into oblivion.

[@svcesportsleague]

The best question and answer I've ever heard. -why do you want this job? -bitch i want money

[@magnooh655]

"you are not being forced to work" *doesnt work* *starves*

[@MrCarlWax]

@Cthulhu Laughs in exploiting the working class in the global south.

[@MrThunderFx]

You get foodstamps stop lying

[@thelastone0001]

You say I'm not forced to hunt for tribe but if I don't hunt the tribe starves. Nature is a slave master.

[@0re0n]

Literally every single animal in the world is "forced to work" by that logic.

[@narius_jaden215]

@@0re0n I meaaaaannnnnnn, you ain't wrong though :P.

[@kazfirepsn614]

"You've applied to a job, you've agreed to the terms, and you can quit at anytime" I selected the best evil. I want to earn money- so yes I agreed to the terms. The company then turns out to be a nightmare, and I can't quit because I need money to sustain my life. That's coercion. Not choice.

[@cyronixed]

well any job is still better than no job, at the end of the day you have to earn your money ... in the end "you have to" agree

[@cheehee808_]

No it’s choice, stop dramticizing it. If you hated the job that much and really needed the money, guarantee you could quit and and walk into any fast food restaurant and get a job on the spot

[@sullenfps]

this was a huge misrepresentation on doreen’s end. the sentiment behind the sub was never not working at all and always that we should have be compensated fairly and have a decent schedule among other worker rights which we have lost over time. nobody should be legally paid less than a living wage. period.

[@InTaco7]

You got it the wrong way. The sub was created for people not wanting to work. The whole work reform movement is very recent, and has very little to do with the mods' lazy anarchism. 1.7 million users in the wrong sub!

[@dreg9124]

what is a living wage in your eyes?

[@sirgoldenpants773]

Yes they should.

[@albens5852]

@@dreg9124 16 an hour

[@stillnotchill2560]

This is an oversimplification, "living wage" is extremely subjective and changes over time, if the economy goes to shit, the cost of housing, food, water, electricity, etc, all these factors are pretty much out of the control of most small businesses, many of which are barely even staying in business especially during the pandemic and competing with Amazon, Walmart, etc. To just say that every company should simply pay living wage and it's the business fault if not, how about the government gets it's shit together to living expenses aren't so outrageously high and not put the entire burden on employers. I recognize Amazon and massive corporations can and should pay more to their entry level employees, I'm just saying it's not so simple.

[@bob513993]

“You can walk away from that job any time and quit.” People are doing exactly that, sir. Then y’all complain about the drive through times or your favorite restaurant closing at 7pm.

[@andrewxiaoping1852]

What do customer's complaints have to do with your ability to leave a job whenever you want? Do you feel a disturbance in the force when a customer is dissatisfied? edit: changed unsatisfied to dissatisfied.

[@xGaijin504]

Seems you're the one complaining about the drive-through times.

[@bob513993]

@@andrewxiaoping1852 The point is that they encourage people to quit to find better work, people do exactly that and leave the “beginner” jobs understaffed, and suddenly it’s a problem that people are quitting to find better work. They’re going to bitch about you no matter if you quit and find better work for your own benefit or if you stay and slave away for their benefit.

[@Guswal03]

Stop whining like a 15 year old, you probably don’t even work

[@SilentMusicNote]

@@bob513993 yeah keep dreaming buddy, most places want experience, they dont care about better work lol plus it looks bad if you keep quitting

[@Tacticool_Mutton_Chops]

We were promised with greater efficiency and automation, that we would have to work less for more, but instead in the never ending quest for profit, we have been forced to work more for less while the rich stack stacks. The system is fundamentally flawed and it's going to bend or break soon if the conditions don't change for working people. You see it on all sides of politics right now, democracy is dying, it was sold to wealthy interests and lobbyists, and now those interests are reaping the rewards by grinding working people into dust. It's unsustainable, eventually people will begin to resist.

[@MrKynaccrue]

People will resist, they will then topple the government. Many of them will die due to the lack of a replacement system. Then the ones left over will create a new one doing the exact same thing. Nothing has changed, you were had they second you believed someone else's promises.

[@seabreeze9296]

would have been nice if Doreen said some of that. Might have made the interview more interesting instead of making himself look like an absolute idiot

[@anatoli1234567890]

we would have to work less for more. what fairy tail are you live in. why will that ever be a working thing? yes there van be automated delivery trucks but why they need you at all to work for any thing. like are people now days that retarded to not get this >? thing is you dont want the conditions to change . you dont want to work at all and get millions for free. but then where all the things you use will come form? slaves?

[@asiamatron]

Yeah if I remember right Keynes used to talk about a future where people worked a fifteen hour work week. Using efficiency and technology to improve things in the workplace is obviously a smart idea. A fifteen hour work week was unrealistic but some realistic improvements can be made. Unfortunately some societies are not very sensible when it comes to this sort of thing. It's all about profit and working all the hours god sends.

[@ggkurtis7831]

truth is, the realists warned that automation wasn't going to make life easier or better but everyone would always rather trust the TV instead

[@jeffbouchey7267]

I’ve worked since I was 16…I’m 52 and was only off of work for three months…..and I completely agree with this!

[@GunzyHD]

Went through the subreddit. Seems like the “real” members are very reasonable. They don’t want to just “not work”, they want something fulfilling, that doesn’t require 5 days of work for 2 days off. They want more autonomy and work life balance. Remote Tech jobs would fit alot these qualifications depending on the employer and size of the team.

[@grenadier1044]

Anybody can go self employed, cleaning gutters, mowing lawns, maintenance, cleaning.. you don't need specialist skills, or a university degree. I speak as self employed mason. Seems it is easier complain that life is unfair than it is for these people to start making changes..

[@GunzyHD]

@@misao6397 Depends on the person. My work pays well, and is at least slightly fufilling, but I wish I didn't need to be on 40 hour weeks. I hate only having 2 real days a week to enjoy my hobbies and relax.

[@GunzyHD]

@@grenadier1044 I think it's more of a place to discuss these frustrations, and identify others with similar feelings. They also talk quite a bit about job alternatives.

[@grenadier1044]

​@@misao6397 This is nonsense - nobody is forcing anybody to work these jobs. These people choose to apply to this job, and they are choosing, every single morning, to get up and go to that job. I worked in fishing industry for 10 years until I felt the same grief. Though tired, on weekends I would put myself out building dry stone walls locally, advertising free facebook, etc. Jobs would trickle in until eventually I had enough work/portfolio built up I could leave my 7 - 4 job and proceed working for myself. It took application, fuelled by years of anguish in not-so-exotic jobs. Success is earned and not prescribed at birth.

[@luketfer]

@@grenadier1044 "success is earned and not perscribed at birth" *looks over to the people that are straight up just inheriting stupid amounts of wealth that has been kept in the family for generations* "really motherfucker?"

[@eviltim3786]

I mean I’m definitely all for fighting back against companies that are determined to pay their employees shit whilst leaving them to deal with the dregs of society (creating a shitty workplace) and all but how far can this go before shit just collapses?

[@cat6926]

As far as it needs too? Should we all just point our heads down and continue to work for mega corporations? Oh no, if we don't, they'll make less money. I see your point now.

[@Tolredan]

pretty far. finland is pushing for a 4 day work week and 6 hour work days. its not as outlandish as you'd think, i mean, how many hours a day at work do you spend fuckin around because you've got all your tasks done, or how often have you spent a friday not really getting anything useful done because you're fried from the past four days? the science says productivity goes WAY up with this model too.

[@lierox90lierox90]

until you decide to not agree with terms in contract you are willingly signing

[@hotrodhunk7389]

It's called forming a union.

[@Shatamx]

@@Tolredan I would of had a father if he worked 4 days a week. Sadly he was paying two mortgages (our house and his mothers) for seven years. Which required him to work Monday-Saturday. 10-12 hours a day. He would leave at 6 in the morning and come home at 8 at night. And this one of hundreds of millions of Americans over the last 150 years. Slaves to the almighty dollar.

[@sebastianprice1528]

This is why I love Asmon he speaks how he feels and watches both sides of the argument. This is how we all should be but no one wants to listen.

[@marc-etiennemercier6584]

Both sides? Dude is telling people not to work lol. He wants a crash basically.

[@bsx132]

He would basically be another Doreen if he didn't get EXTREMELY fucking lucky with streaming, he's literally one of hundreds of thousands of KZbinrs and Twitch streamers that was able to build a community so he can afford to say shit like that.

[@dominiccaciappo970]

I worked 44 hours or so a week, long ass shifts - I was a dispensary store manager (Loved it) had lots of cool people to work with, got lots of discounts, free product, swag ect. felt like no other corporate job I have ever had, I thought I was finally OK working my ass off in my life (ADHD, ASD1 and a blood cancer) slows me down a lot - but I worked extra hard because I had passion. One day we hired a new GM, within a week of him coming in, and only 2 days worked with him - I was laid off - given a bull shit excuse, the reason being he was bringing his own management in, and was threatened by knowledge, I was making really good money, tips - had a great set schedule - all of a sudden I am out my job, with no recourse because I live in California and was an at will employment. used and abused, spent my 8am to 8pm thur-sun selling weed, and just thrown out like trash despite constant affirmations from owners, and tons of customers who loved me. I will never be used like this against.

[@travismarshall4937]

Dam man I’m so sorry, I hope you beat cancer and I hope you get back on your feet better than ever ❤️ you got this I believe in you

[@dominiccaciappo970]

@@travismarshall4937 thanks homie, It’s been very difficult my experience is cannabis ostriches me from normal retail job experience resume wise, I live in a small town so I have to drive a to the next dispensary to continue my experience. I’ve taken some individual steps doing some sales for myself, but sadly I need my slave money

[@jasonschwenk6131]

I can't wait to see what happens in a consumer based economy when the consumer no longer has the means to consume. It's going to be a real eye opener.

[@Esserka]

It's already starting :D It will be fun for those who can grow their own food. less fun for others

[@DarkTider]

The word of the day is recession ^^

[@AiphosGaming]

sliding right back into 1930

[@TheSilentWalkerz]

Corporations in US also hire illegals and pay them even less than minimum wage

[@nelzelpher7158]

@@AiphosGaming I hope so/

[@TacoJim]

I've worked as a dish washer a few times. When you have a shit tier Job and you're at the bottom of the ladder, the rest of the Restaurant treats you like shit. I was paid like shit, and often I was stuck in the middle of everyone else's drama. I worked Retail as well, and it was very similar. A lot of these jobs feel like Adult High School more than anything, because no one wants to be there and they look for literally anything to distract themselves. Even if it means causing drama for each other. It is not a healthy way to live or make a living.

[@krto7663]

In places like mexico, colombia and the middle east the alternative to doing those jobs is to join an armed group that will pay you incredible amounts of dollars, like life changing amounts that not even average American earn, with the drawback of easily ended up dead, in pieces and your family murdered too. Imagine if this was a choice in the United States with all the guns that are already available.

[@kirarozu]

I mean that's why you're not supposed to have those jobs past teens/early 20s. Those aren't meant to be careers.

[@Aryasvitkona]

I've been a dishwasher before, and either your kitchens were scummy, or you were bad at you job (likely the former). In 2 small restaurants I worked I was respected and liked, I made the chefs job easier and he never had to stress over having cooking items or plates to dish them up. Sure it's not a glorious job, but if you were being treated like shit, thats a culture problem in that workplace, and in my experience isn't typical. Might be a country thing too idk

[@winterfire567]

@@Aryasvitkona it's definitely a culture problem, but also one that is rife in the food service industry as a whole. People can and will look down on you for having a job they perceive as beneath most people, and it doesn't get much worse than dishwashing. You may have had good experiences, but they are just your personal experience. I could get at least 10, probably more, hard workers from an industry I was a part of for almost 15 years to vouch for the shittier side of the coin. There are good employers out there for sure, but there are just as many, if not more, with a toxic work culture that puts you down and pays you like shit.

[@TacoJim]

@@Aryasvitkona I live in an area that's fueled by tourism, and a lot of jobs out here are family run businesses that operate out of buildings older than time. In one kitchen, the kitchen manager regularly threw raw eggs at me because he thought it was funny and wouldn't stop. I was also hit in the face with a bowl because they were too lazy to actually bring shit to me properly and thought I'd be able to catch shit from across the kitchen. Another restaurant I worked at had very poor plumbing, and the water pressure regularly froze. In the winter, the pipes would freeze and to do my job I would have to ask the cooks to boil water on the stove for me. One person's experience does not equate to the entire workforce of a job title. Working at McDonalds in the Ghetto is a lot different from working at McDonalds in the suburbs, for example.

[@Archphoenix1]

the perfect amalgamation of a reddit mod and stream mod was on fox news. Now we know how all of them look like

[@3N1StaticGaming]

For me it's been the constant mistreatment among the jobs I've had. I've started losing interest in working because little progress on my life is made. So where is the motivation? The Only real motivation I ever had was Joining the Army. Why? Because I was actually progressing and contributing to society in a healthy way.

[@steveroberts92]

I used to work in call centers and ask when I'd get a real job. I started questioning what the fuck a real job was. To me, a real job is something you just get paid for. Whether its enough or not is up to you, whether its legal or illegal. Its a job. People think a job is something where you're productive to society, society is always changing. If you're a call center agent, you're providing a service and you talk to customers so the management & CEO don't have to. You're a McDonalds worker and if people go there, the purpose and reason exists and you're contributing to society because people go there. Even if you're an illegal drug dealer, maybe that xanax or marijuana is getting Joey through his days at work and without it he may not be able to provide a presentation for a fortune 500 company. If a person can get paid 500k throwing, catching or running an inflated ball and thats a job, then a twitch streamer making the same money or more (or less) is a job. If you make money, it doesn't matter what it is, legal or illegal, its a job. Don't let anyone tell you what you do for a living isn't a job. Its up to you to decide if that line of work is for you or not.

[@sluka32]

@@Vulgarth1 i mean, is he wrong? Sure it's an illegal activity, and a pretty odd example, but it's still a job. Illegal or not, a job is a job

[@slandshark]

@@sluka32 Honestly if the job involves selling services or products to someone (which covers every job type), and there's no theft involved...then yeah, sounds like a job. Just because it's considered illegal, doesn't mean it's not a job.

[@IAmebAdger]

@@slandshark Why leave theft out of the equation? Why not also call stealing a job, as long as someone is professional about it? A job is anything you do with some regularity to acquire resources essential to your life style.

[@sauldownbadman876]

Real job = qualified, have skills that's what they mean

[@goodsoul7833]

Yeah, this is why I'm making my own OnlyFans 😩 a job is a job! And i honestly don't care what others think. I have a sexy ass body and my dick is decent looking so 😩

[@ChickenSoupMusic]

It’s a shame so many work environments have gotten so imbalanced and toxic. I’m lucky to be in an environment that’s the opposite.

[@Mighty2C]

They didn’t became, they always have been and have been even worse. That’s the reality

[@Lurchstavo]

@gillysuit2 people realize it’s modern day slavery. Rich people doing nothing but buying land and having people work

[@vergillives9890]

@gillysuit2 or the environments have

[@marinefighter]

It seriously gotten worse because of these pandemic lockdowns. At the company I work for, I literally have to hire someone overseas to do a simple job, that I wish I could of just given to some young kid nearby. I also heard from my wife, that some states were allowed to hire nurses from other countries to work here in america because of the lack of staff. Let's be honest, they are just taking advantage of the lockdowns and the government have no choice but to go through with this.

[@vergillives9890]

@gillysuit2 I mean governor lockdowns that created the scarcity forced the Increased burden creating these new environments worker protection does nothing if you have to shorten hours shorten open hours because more taxes and less product created by artificial scarcity

[@Ferniva93]

Asmon claims they brought Doreen on for being an idiot, in actuality they brought Doreen on for being the head mod of the subreddit instead of a random user. They likely had no idea it would go this well for them.

[@wabbithare9653]

A head mod for a subreddit is never gonna be a person who represents the sub. More than likely it's a person who just wants a power position however insignificant.

[@scuffedwizard]

Unpaid internet jannies don't really represent the communities they moderate

[@scuffedwizard]

@@Francorocco Amen

[@MikeMessiah]

If Asmongold didnt hit the jackpot on Twitch, he would definitely be like Doreen, seeing his perspective of life.

[@sugarmask]

Naa, asmond is really smart he chose this path and he success, i think if he had the motivation he could have chosen another profesión and doit right. sorry for mi bad English speak spanish.

[@bhe8336]

He would most definitely not be like Doreen. Im sure if the Twitch thing didn't work out, Asmond has the capability and wherewithall to pursue accounting or marketing. Banking too.

[@user-lk1qx7gb5o]

You mean his humanistic, common sense perspective? Yeah, it's not popular caring about humanity is it.

[@mitchellbecker610]

The subreddits heart is in the right place but this person was not ready for this interview.

[@mitchellbecker610]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz fuckin true

[@mitchellbecker610]

That being said, not much you can do in a 2 ish minute interview with a dickhead interviewer who won’t let you speak.

[@Dooger414]

The guy interviewed was antiwork, that includes prepping for the interview.

[@clayskii]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz Apparently the subreddit took a poll and were against doing the interview.... but the subreddit mods decided to anyways and they choose this person as the best option

[@Vanitas369]

Working your whole life to get absolutely nowhere except further in debt and pass it on to the next generation is the true American dream.

[@Lthebbe]

The fact that you can inherit debt in some countries is insane

[@Zure467]

I have worked for 11 years after dropping out at 17 and got everywhere I wanted to be. Married, homeowner, raising a my child. I started at $6.60 an hour and moved jobs a lot till now I'm at $21 my wife was in the same boat. I'd make more if I didnt need weekends off. Does my job suck? Sure but what you do outside of work is what matters.

[@Lthebbe]

@@Zure467 nah working a miserable job means suffering for 5/7 days just so you can afford to enjoy the remaining 2/7. That’s the reality for the majority of people, but not something I would ever try to promote.

[@anthonyfaiell3263]

Absolutely. That said, "debt" is a kind of ambiguous term in some cases. Are you in debt because you are working 40 hours a week and your boss is skimping on your paychecks? And your landlord raised the rent? . Or are you in debt because you bought a house you couldn't afford to impress your significant other, then bought a car you couldn't afford. Then proceeded to shop online for a buncha stuff and buy some jet skis while you are at it. And then go and complain that you are in debt and you don't make enough. . The second one is the American dream they want you to follow. Because the second one makes sure everything you make goes right back into the pot.

[@Lthebbe]

@@anthonyfaiell3263 That's not ambiguous at all. Both are in debt, regardless of how they got it.

[@praeliator]

Anti Work was a legit sub for airing concerns regarding management being tools / assholes. It's sad that it then devolved to people posting fake screenshots of manager to employee conversations in order to karma farm.

[@stephenjackson8479]

Bollocks, it's just full of people feeling sorry for themselves with unverified anecdotes to get sympathy from losers who look at an anti-work reddit which is likely just full of lazy people mixed with socialists and commies, If you really believe what you can read on there, who's the real idiot, the one who got fired for being inadequate or the one who believes the fake stories? Hint: It's all of you retard reddit users

[@alanamarie8375]

You’re absolutely hysterical 😭 “the dogs are pulling them” 😂

[@aprilmayflower]

At this point in America nobody can say shit about anything without being destroyed by one side or the other this is a ridiculous world that we live in right now and I hope everybody wakes up .

[@krugerofcause9048]

HUZZAH!!! A commenter of QUALITY!

[@battlebuddy4517]

Been like this since beginning of humanity 😂

[@_Malvar]

@@battlebuddy4517 *beginning of life

[@FreedomAndPeaceOnly]

That interview was really resembling the Joker Movie interview in my eyes. *_" How about another joke, Murray? "_*

[@ren37]

I hope everyone goes to sleep, forever

[@boobrancher9941]

No one is sympathetic to Doreen, antiwork just imploded because of this guy.

[@ThoraxetheImp]

Its not that we dont want to work! We want better working conditions, better pay. Theres so many people wokring 40+ hrs a week and are homeless or living in their cars. Thats what the movement is REALLY about. The subreddit completely rejected the mods position and now everyone move to r/workreform and r/antiwork went private after all the harsh criticism.

[@purrpocalypse]

Not going to lie, it was always about universal basic income and making work optional. A lot of us don't want to work. Reform will just lead us back to where we are now, that's how capitalism is designed.

[@ye9945]

who??? tf

[@DrDipsh1t]

There was a person who held a management position for years at a local corporate business that had to live in their car and shower/do laundry at friend's places or at the gym. Yet this corporate business prides themselves on treating their employees well and that every body matters. And all of their coworkers and higher ups knew this person's situation. Terrible business.

[@Deathstrider]

My short experience on Anti-Work is just that its a lot of either complaining about the system or being mistreated by the workplace. Which both are very much warranted in this unfair world. I'm currently going to a new job that basically has the same hours 40 hours a week 5 days days in. I got a little annoyed that he works 25 hours a week and still has this poor work attitude. There aren't a lot of people which genuinely want to work but you have to provide for yourself and others.

[@notme1255]

Exactly. If this guy had some story of, "I worked my way up in a company all the way to corporate America and didn't get what I wanted out of it" type of story that caused him to seek this 25 hr/week dog walking job, then I'd have more respect for him but I doubt that's the case here. LOL 😂

[@BusJustice]

There's no lack of workers, just lack of wages and human decency.

[@MrWasian]

Yes, Congress acts like they give a shit about low and middle class families/people. Policies haven't been updated for workers' rights in the modern era. Biden hasn't even increased the minimum wage like he promised on his campaign trail. They damn near never pass any bills or update policies to help out those actually struggling. Even with the student loan forgiveness the people that benefitted the most were from rich "elite" families. Democrat or Republican, both parties actually don't give a shit about people unless they gain some type of profit from it. Occasionally when unrest gets bad, they'll give some speeches and talk about change that needs to happen, but then hardly ever actually enact anything meaningful.

[@fatherdoctor]

"you apply for a job, you accept the terms of conditions, if you don't like the job just quit" - This is where the interviewer lost his credibility about understanding the issue and the core subject... Many many many people don't have the luxury to just quit... don't have the luxury not to accept menial jobs with shitty conditions...

[@xod851]

Just quit 4Head

[@jskyler5422]

Here soon the only fucking place that will hire is going to be Amazon. That place is designed to the point where the PERSON is a robot and the ROBOT is the person. It’s very wild.

[@ye9945]

we really value your word, youtube commenter

[@uxsenebeli]

Who gives a shit

[@sargonofakkad9676]

As a blue collar worker, it is hard to find good help today. I was taught discipline on my own late in the life game. I don't consider this a job. It's a way of life. (Plumber)

[@Gymnasiar]

Plumber is a fine job, at least you get to fight giant lizards and safe frail princesses

[@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard]

Same here I'm in the machining trade and most young guys that apply think they are gonna make $40 an hour while the older guys get the job because they have more experiance and ask for a reasonable starting pay

[@Gymnasiar]

@@Jst.a.Normal.Bottle.of.Mustard So whats the Job security like at your job ? Im german so im used to having mandatory Vacation days, paid sick leave and there are laws in place so your employer cannot fire you in specific situations.

[@Gymnasiar]

@@Special_Agent_NSB that certainly is a point, if you feel like you are not compensated enough for your work that can be very frustrating. When i watched a bit on the subreddit there were a lot of posts complaining about bad work environments, horrible bosses or underpaid but expected overtime. So i think there is a bit more behind this than just "not paying enough"

[@majormarketing6552]

Nobody deals with as much shit as a plumber

[@Dominicanadaa]

A lot of copium in these comments. Work isn't bad, and people gotta stop being so lazy these days. Embrace responsibility.

[@MikeLikesChannel]

You think the average adult will have a job to do in 20 years? I really don’t think so. UBI is going to be necessary.

[@bohenian]

Well, you think that, but not everyone does. As much as I love work, you have to admit that there will be people like this, they don't want to work. They aren't complaining about not earning money, they aren't begging for services that will benefit them so... What's wrong here? And responsibility. Responsibilities are a choice. Getting married is a choice. Having children is a choice. Getting a house, loaning it, and maintaining it is a choice. You're talking down to people who chose not to have those things just because you did and feel superior because "you have it harder". Instead of forcing them to be "responsible" try asking why they are the way they are. I assumed a lot of things about you and if I am wrong, I am sorry.

[@niksterfer6sir]

The real problem is how important the school system is in determining the rest of your life. Some people just have bad rng and get a horrendous Spawn location. And the rest of your game suffers because of it because you can't overcome it.

[@forecastjanna9229]

This. And some people never have the chance of education and are stuck with low income jobs where ppl are treated and paid badly. And no, "you can be anything if you want to" is just some bs someone made up and lots of ppl bought in. In my opinion luck, connections and timing play a part in work opportunities too. But pricks just call it laziness.

[@niksterfer6sir]

@@asdergold1 absolutely that goes into the bad Spawn location

[@1.21gigawatts2]

Was this interview a fucking inside job? did Fox pay for an actor to perform terribly in this interview because that's certainly what it seems like. This is a mod for the subreddit for Christ sake, and he/she/they? completely missed the point of what r/antiwork was about. My understanding is that it isn't about working as little as possible, it's about getting a living working wage no matter the job. Either this is the WORST case of self sabotage imaginable or this person claiming to be a moderator was actually hired by Fox. I have never seen a movement rise so fast and yet fall so quickly like the antiwork subreddit has after this interview. God damn it, I work full time caring for disabled people and can barely make ends meet and this fool won't commit twenty five hours walking dogs around his neighborhood. So cringe worthy, so counter productive to the cause, so embarrassing. Now big companies have this interview to use as a scapegoat for the great resignation. "People don't want a living wage, they simply are lazy and don't want to work!".

[@devilous90]

Nope, that moron is the average anti-worker

[@NoConsequenc3]

​@@daroaminggnome "do anything not to work" so you're saying they'll work for it? oh right you don't have any actual points, just wild assumptions and rhetoric. Fucking dipshit

[@klavier285]

Is being a mod for a subreddit supposed to mean anything? I just assumed they're all socially awkward neckbeards.

[@Dooger414]

@@NoConsequenc3 No, he does have a point. The current excuse is living wage, but many don't get their lush apartments with good internet and 8 hours to game with their jobs so they chalk it up to "isn't a living wage".

[@ThisIsntAYoutuber]

@@klavier285 It means that they would be more likely to be exploited, especially since they are expected to be more representative of the community as they have more privileges(Said mods of course did not represent the subreddit at all). The rest of the subreddit told them NOT to go with the interview. But the mods ignored them and voted to send her in anyways.

[@dononejeme1528]

I'm glad Zack is able to give really good insight on the videos he reacts to while also adding a comedic flare to it. It may look easy but this is extremely difficult to pull off. There's a reason he still one of the best streamers and content creators out there right now. PS. His editors are literally insane, we'll put together vid.

[@ColorAgent]

He did a really bad job commenting on this one, imo. From the life he's lived you can't really expect good insight into a lot of subjects just because he has so little life experience in many things except video games, streaming, and eating shitty. Usually he does a better job than this though. Again, imo.

[@vergillives9890]

I agree I don't think the kid was dumb but he was representing the reddit which I don't know anymore about whether they are lazy or venting in a time when job scarcity Is being artificially crippled by people for a year and half used to unemployment benefits other government aid who just want to continue permanently while the economy is a massive political saying its distasteful maybe but shows a bigger amount of people liked it and want that as a normal

[@evilseedsgrownaturally1588]

@@vergillives9890 what the fuck are you even writing? Holy shit

[@vergillives9890]

@@evilseedsgrownaturally1588 that why would work at a restaurant and make $500 every 2 weeks when taxpayers can pay you $2100 +$500 a month every month unemployment/welfare benefits for a year and half to stay home why would you want to work I had neighbors who got unemployment and were bragging about it

[@vergillives9890]

@@evilseedsgrownaturally1588 and more people moved around me because of how much they got why work

[@hawkart4137]

I'm really kinda on the fence about it. Does anyone really want to be working 44 hours a week, 12 hour shifts, in a challenging job title, not necessarily but people would be more inclined to do so if they weren't forced to take up a random job title that doesn't really peak their interest, just because they need to make a certain amount of income to survive. It's become a societal norm that we work until we're 60 from the time that we're 14, not really leaving time in our lives to actually enjoy things.

[@misterroberts344]

I played video games all day for most of my twenties. It's very lonely and disappointing. Not everyone has discord friends or is a streamer or is honestly even good at the games they like to play. You have to join their(coporate) version of society whether or not you want to. Now truly "this is america" nothing like the song.

[@generallygay2831]

Did you manage to overcome that “Loneliness” I see myself in your shoes and don’t really know which direction I’m going in life. Any sorta advice would help

[@airhead3333]

@@generallygay2831 stop wasting your life playing video games.

[@chanr9531]

Man there are ideas that I can agree with but the mod fucked things up so badly both representing their ideas and pushing back against some infuriating questions posed by the interviewer in the beginning. No you can’t just choose to walk away from jobs because your health insurance is tied to your employment for the vast majority of Americans on top of your income. Especially when a lot of this “just walk away” argument is used to defend shitty minimum wage paying jobs when these are the only readily available jobs one can reasonably find to get hired so they can pay the bills. The job market is fiercely competitive right now you really don’t have much choice there.

[@downtownhbrown4965]

The questions were incredibly soft, I have no idea what you're talking about. As for the "just walk away", it's a pretty fair one. If you are actively relying on your healthcare that is provided through your current job, you can actively look for a different job while still employed and upon getting that other job, you can just walk away and you will have overlapping coverage so you won't have any issues. Additionally the job market is incredibly hot at the moment, people are in desperate need for people so again, no idea what you're talking about.

[@edwardroh89]

you have to understand a lot of those interviews are done deliberately to make a specific side bad and make it seem "questionable" instead of actually being neutral. They never directly try and be like "antiwork" evil, so that the media can appear like they are not taking sides. The media is more cunning, and they try to "subtly hint" at their agenda. Ie. interview an extreme case of a worker who's lazy, instead of a worker who's been abused by the system, so you'll assume all workers are lazy. This is how media brainwashes people, most people are not smart enough to understand that they use these things to convince you.

[@SuperChaoticus]

I often hear people ask why more companies don't get behind single payer. "Just think of all the headaches they wouldn't have to deal with anymore" Yeah, and they would also lose the biggest chains they have to keep people trapped in terrible jobs out of fear.

[@leonardceres9061]

I work with my hands fixing and painting things for a living. I’ve done it for 20 years. But even the top guys in my field only make around 35 an hour. Or they take a small % of the job labor cost which doesn’t make you a lot of money unless you put in 45-50 hours a week. Now I can get a lot done in an hour and if you called me to your home to do these things and told me you would pay me 35 for the hour I would look at you like you had 6 heads. Employers want you to work your ass off for as little as they can legally afford to pay you. That’s what the whole “market rate”, thing is. What they can get away with. So other people make you money.

[@k9ikki330]

Typical for them to stop the actual "interview" to take jabs at the person they supposed to be "interviewing".

[@kyosokutai]

We worked during day and slept during night to farm crops and make shelter. With industrialization, we worked from dawn to dusk, 14-16 hours a day. With automatization we were promised fewer work hours. They fired half of us and gave the rest twice as much work to do. We're evolved to take a nap during noon. They gave us free coffee instead. Everywhere you look, thankless labour is a virtue and leisure is a sin. You only deserve healthcare if you work. You only deserve education if it's for work. You only exist to work. We are so tired.

[@ThePsyborg1]

So live on welfare on the backs of those that do.

[@yazzyyazyaz]

Everybody has to work. That's the way of the world. Learn to do something you enjoy extremely well. Profit.

[@cablefeed3738]

@@ThePsyborg1 That's what you got from his comment he says people work 14 to 16 hours A day get treated like shit, barely get paid anything and are tired for it and you're saying he wants to be a lazy butt and sit on the couch rather than just work 6 hours A-day and be able to live a life instead of liveing to work.

[@disser3849]

Oh god I would never waste my time on a fucking nap instead of taking a sip of coffee.

[@disser3849]

@@thanatos2980 The average working week in 2021 was 35 hours, so 7 hours a day. Get over your victim complex.

[@thomasdaniels6247]

As somebody who works 60-70 hours of work mostly without complaints, , ill say this 40hours is too much If your at work constantly you can't even enjoy the "American dream " Again this is an opinion from a worker who makes multiple times the national household average(as a single man) and works overtime regularly (disclaimer b4 ppl call me a bum )

[@deadlymixx]

I agree with this take. I enjoy my job but Given the choice of shorter work weeks I would take them to spend more time actually living.

[@StarboyXL9]

I just found the career I think is my passion. I'm working 45-50 hour weeks 5 days. I know people who work 60-80 hour weeks doing what they love. I think anything higher than 30 hours a week to earn a living for two adults is slavery. Period.

[@thomasdaniels6247]

@Deadlymixx same . I don't wake up and dread my job but .. I'd work less for similar money in a heart beat

[@nicelight7794]

Agreed. It's crazy to think there are places where on average people work way more than 40, too. In China as I understand they have a 996 culture, working 9am-9pm 6 days a week. In Japan it's even worse, a lot of salarymen work 80+ hours a week. People gotta wake up and realize they're being worked way too much in a lot of jobs. Like people in the software space don't really NEED to be in the office 40+ hours a week a lot of the time, yet their jobs require it of them.

[@alastairbelmont7632]

"It's called the American dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it" -George Carlin.

[@alphaomega938]

“Deprived of meaningful work, men and women lose their reason for existence; they go stark, raving mad.” - Dostoevsky

[@tropik5724]

They did not have the Internet back in those days.

[@jojosplace3681]

Well guess you have no purpose as a human except to serve someone else. Really is pathetic that the main purpose you think of humanitys' existence is to serve capitalists.

[@tropik5724]

@@jojosplace3681 true

[@depressedcheems9961]

@@jojosplace3681 You're just matter, you don't matter. You're life and every action were determined when the universe formed. So why do you think you should be important to the other primates? Would you not be just as vile as them if you were merely born in a similar situation?

[@jojosplace3681]

@@depressedcheems9961 Lol you're just matter. So you saying that a rock made of matter and a human made of matter have the same capacity for thought and creation. You people are extremly stupid.

[@ryzae6202]

I'm a farmer. I work short intense days 7 days a week usually 4-7labor hours throughout the day, not all at one time. It's intense but the work is rewarding and I don't feel like I'm wasting my energy/effort. Make your focus count put effort into things you believe in.

[@Maskedmous]

The scale of work / spare time is off the scale. In this society you're working more than you have free time. Not all jobs are offered part time. It's not necessarily being lazy but rather the need for more free time in your life. We're being slaves to work just to get the amount of money you require to survive. You can enjoy your job but still want to have more spare time available to do other things in your life. Because let's be honest, the first large part of your life you're going to school in order to work the rest of your life. Until you're too old to do anything else that you might've wanted to do. I worked 40 hours a week and I scaled back to 32 hours a week and it is a huge relief. I don't hate my job, but I want to do more in my life than just work. 2 days a week isn't enough free time. With that extra 1 day off I can do so many other things that I'd normally wouldn't do because I simply don't have the spare time. I get more rest and relaxation before going into the next work week.

[@instinct94]

no life form ever had to work as few hours to survive as human beings today. we are rapidly becoming more efficient as a society, yet you are dissatisfied. as you even said yourself, you legit just scaled back the work hours, when you wanted to, you were free to do it. what more do you want? somebody gotta put in work to put your food on your table. having to only work 32 hours in a profession you can freely choose out of millions of possibilities for the luxury greater than what kings used to have not even a few hundred years ago is a fucking miracle. yeah, we should strive for more optimization, but complaining about the current state of society is fucking spoiled and rotten, given how far we got in just a few generations. Imagine having the most free time any lifeform ever had in billions of years to jerk off and still cry like a fucking baby.

[@Combobreaker100]

@@instinct94 Taxes/insurance/real estate/rent The last 2 generations are trapped between their socioeconomic levels at a larger rift than it was since Gen Xx Media complains that there are less marriages/families starting in gen Z yet the rate of inflation to pay doesn’t support the means of traditional cost to raise one. Rent in most states are too high to sustain off of traditional jobs/work yet are more sensible to afford than to buy a house so now real estate is fucked and more people in their 30s are renting than owning property. Inflation is fucking over real estate and cost of living while poor work environments cancel out the average individual’s incentive to work traditional labor. Past 4 work generations were stepped on to uphold their predecessors’ investments and old monetary views without a scale of inflation, this is not a good system to have especially in a nation with terrible health care.

[@jon_ovo3653]

@@instinct94 stfu lol, “what more can you want” more I guess everyone should want more even if it’s a little more I don’t care 🤷🏾‍♂️ Also your type always bring up “no creatures has had to work less than human kind” bullshit and? So what we ain’t talking about other fucking creatures we talking about (Us) as a whole and anybody has a right to complain no matter what especially when it comes to things like this I don’t agree with how you think and I never will

[@mandyboo574]

@@instinct94 there’s other countries doing way less working hours and surviving

[@vanmi8245]

Wow people slowly starting to realize they live in a modern slavery since decades!!!!! And the situation is way worser on poor countries with their 4$/hour

[@razatiger22]

I respect this topic A LOT, because its one of the only topics in which Liberals and Conservatives firmly agree on. When we are both getting fucked in the ass by corporate, it makes it so much easier to put our differences aside to look at the bigger picture here. The fact that Fox news hand picked Doreen, a trans women dog walker as the representative in this movement shows us exactly what their intentions were from the beginning when discussing this topic. To embarrass the shit out of us hard working Liberals/Conservatives.

[@temporamen]

Well said.

[@masterofastra]

Not saying this to defend Fox but from what I've heard around the internet today: the moderation team of r/antiwork actually selected Doreen themselves, much to the chagrin of the members of the subreddit who had voted against taking the interview at all.

[@temporamen]

@@masterofastra The problem was the mods' and the community's principles were unaligned. From what I learned recently, AntiWork started from Anarchists who truly didn't want work. But as the worker rights/liberation movement happened these last few years, those people came to Antiwork. So you had moderates as well as extremes. The problem is that the mods paint the whole community as this extreme. I suspect a mass migration, as r/WorkReform is gaining traction.

[@TacticalDimples]

@@temporamen workreform sounds significantly better

[@TacticalDimples]

@@henrythegreatamerican8136 I mean they have to get the perception of liberals from somewhere. I don’t agree with it, but I’ve noticed that many liberals would prefer government handouts while conservatives wouldn’t so while their views are a bit extreme, they’re not wrong. Also, there is no left and right. Those things were created to keep us divided. The right talks about the 1% while the left doesn’t? You really think think the left is innocent in all this. Nope. They’re just doing the opposite of the right but in reality they’re getting paid by the 1% like the right is because that’s the game of politics and we’re the chess pieces.

[@scholaepalatinae4988]

I have been working for a shitty place that treats it's employee like shit with no compensation along with having to deal with shitty people. All the tips went to so-called ''charity'' without being said where. Whenever the boss arrive at the place he will imidiately ask us to cook something for his family with no payment whatsoever to us. If i fail to deliver on time because we have to make food for customer too? well i'm just too slow and need to work faster. Customer having a fight throwing foods at each other? Guess, who's cleaning. I've lost count how many times i had to pull extra hours with no extra payment even in the weekend. This thread is mostly about people sharing their shitty job experience, and i enjoy reading them. I firmly believe that nobody deserve to work for narcissist boss in a shitty place, and nobody should be shunned for leaving such a place. The guy on interview is probably socially akward especially when being put on tv and i genuinely feel bad for him for being mocked like that. He doesnt deserve te be made fun of based on how he looks. Fox News chosen possibly the worst representative from r/Antiwork. Moreover, i do envy Asmon for earning money doing what he likes without having to deal with shitty boss and customer.

[@null2470]

There's nothing wrong with being a dog walker, given you take pride in and put your good name on a job well done. Being a twaddling child about having to be employed, without considering that we currently live in competition with a global economy composed of the likes of communist China who basically have a state owned (slave) workforce, but then blaming the resultant atmosphere on your cadres and native elders which have risen to the challenge is downright shameful. Seems everyone likes to think until they get to the question of why they have such impressions on any subject anymore.

[@Scott-vq5xu]

The fact that the FOX pundit was so quiet and allowed Doreen to talk shows just how bad Doreen was. If Doreen was spitting fire antiwork talking points, FOX would have interjected and cut him off or been confrontational - instead they just let Doreen hang him/herself by flapping him/her lips. Same thing attorneys do when a defendant is incriminating themselves lol.

[@Zure467]

Doreen is a sex offender also.

[@Jason-gq8fo]

Even though the sub is called anti work it’s more about getting paid and treated fairly rather than not working at all. And this mod has ruined it quite a bit

[@jessefay4984]

Because that's what anti work means. 🤡

[@GrayNotGrey_]

the sub they're a mod of literally exiled them because the community was so pissed at how badly they represented their movement, shit is sad and hilarious at the same time

[@gordo6908]

@@jessefay4984 think of it like the american two party system. neither represent what their names indicate, but population still tend to pick whichever is perceived as closest

[@easymukbang3835]

I work 60 hours work shift a week. I spend my time on weekends eating food as a reward. worklife gives me a structure for a fit body. I am trying to improve on off day so that I can work less and produce more. Working more doesn't always mean more productive..A dog walker is still an honest living. I respect that.

[@Rajalae]

Asmongold had to retire from the IRS after Yoshi defeated him with his expert Tax evasion abilities!