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@adr1uno6382 жыл бұрын
Something I always wondered, like active noise cancelation on audio devices, is there an équivalent for for radar emissions ?
@direwolf74912 жыл бұрын
@@adr1uno638 I think Rafales SPECTRA jammer does something like that.
@trumanhw Жыл бұрын
The distance-dependant nature of stealth makes it obvious as to why the Chinese developed a powerful AA missile ... and makes it extremely confusing as to why others have not. A missile that can stay above mach-4 for 35-40-miles would make stealth even more powerful. As in, perhaps it's more valuable to have a couple of extremely high-performance missiles than to have 4-6 AMRAAM that are easily defeated at anything more than 12-14 miles. The option in DCS to adjust the burn-time, weight and hit-to-kill vs proximity fuse would be informative (not that I play anyway).
@kuri71542 жыл бұрын
As an artist this is also interesting seeing how technology shapes the distinct aesthetics of an era.
@lucdelhaize40292 жыл бұрын
One of the most outstanding videos ever produced from this amazing channel!
@51339372 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: In Ben Rich’s book _Skunkworks_, he recounts how the Lockheed engineer who figured out F-117 stealth tech originally got the idea from a Russian aerospace journal article on how to shape nosecones to make the radar emanating from them more effective. He reversed the concept to make it less effective. Great book, highly recommended.
@shaider19822 жыл бұрын
Yup, from Pytor Ustimev.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
Only problem with that is that Lockheed first experimented with Stealth on a P-80 after the war, using RF stealth RAM materials found on German U-Boats, then experimented with wire-based RCS reduction techniques on the U-2 that proved impractical, then began work on the A-12. The Titanium variable geometry inlet spikes were replaced with Lexan/polycarbonate spikes as part of the extensive RCS reduction measures implemented on the A-12, including its vertical stabs and all leading and trailing edge surfaces being made of composites. Pyotr Ufimtsev had not even been assigned to the Moscow Institute of Radio Engineering and Electronics when the post-War technical exploitation programs were in full-swing out of Wright Patterson. The Germans pioneered RF stealth in operational use on U-Boats during the War. Pyotr Ufimtsev didn't father anything and was more likely assigned to explain mathematically the information gained by Soviet agents and assets who passed this information from within the US. Everything most people think they know about stealth is a series of lies, left to fester in the vacuum of long-term NDAs that were honored to the grave.
@ViceCoin2 жыл бұрын
Radar Cross Section Lectures.
@51339372 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 If it's all in long-term NDA's that were honored to the grave, then how do you know any of it?
@marklowden50542 жыл бұрын
Read that one very interesting
@GoSlash272 жыл бұрын
This is a good synopsis of everything you covered in the live stream. The one thing I'd like to clarify is that radiated power is not the same thing as radiated energy and the 2 terms should not be used interchangeably. There were some viewers that were under the impression that detection range could be increased by increasing frequency (energy being proportional to frequency), which is incorrect.
@sean707292 жыл бұрын
Good catch bro.
@PlumSack792 жыл бұрын
Ok Doctor, whatever you say. When are you starting your you tube channel? Or are you way too painfully geeky and awkward?
@Albertkallal2 жыл бұрын
While energy of waves is increased by increasing frequency, it is vastly different to assume that if I increased the frequency of my radar that output energy will have increased. This is not the case at all. And without question increased Radar output does increase detection range. However increased frequency of a given radar system don't mean increased output. On such systems when you increase frequency you do so with smaller amplitude waves. So then the only real question that matters? Since the radar power is fixed then by changing or using a different frequency for the radar can you increase stealth detection range? And the answer is yes you can! But this is in general achieved by using lower frequencies - not higher ones. And if you both increased frequency and power you also increased stealth detection range. Increased frequency will not help stealth detection range, but increased both power and frequency will and can result in increased detection range - it's just not a great way to achieve this goal of increasing detection range.
@xenoaltrax4852 жыл бұрын
It seems that more people are aware of a photon's energy being proportional to frequency, but less people are aware of an EM wave's energy being proportional to the square of the field's amplitude. So since more people are aware of Plank's equation for a photon, they just assume it applies directly to an EM wave as well, forgetting that Planks' equation applies to a single photon. So they jump from a single photon's higher energy, to the EM wave having higher energy, to higher energy per unit time hence power, to fourth-root of that which leads them to higher detection range. But for an EM wave most people don't consider that it's not a single photon but rather the total number of photons whose energies together result in a wave energy value dependent on the amplitude of the field and not it's frequency, and that field amplitude itself being dependent on the amplitude of the voltage differential applied to the antenna which is radiating the field. So if the voltage amplitude remains the same, even if the variation in the voltage is at a higher frequency, that just results in a "lower number of higher energy" photons which result in the same field amplitude, hence same wave energy.
@Albertkallal2 жыл бұрын
@@xenoaltrax485 But that all fine and dandy. The simple matter is detection range is significant changed when the frequency of radar is changed, and the RCS formula shows this. So, even for the same given energy output of the radar system, a change in frequency can significant change the detection range - even when total energy remains the same. so, over all, in this discussion. I don't think there was or much confusing at all. We know for a given radar system - and given source power, we can change the detection range - and overall power in this setup will not have changed, but detection range does, and that for this discussion really all that matters. (because we OFTEN can't change the available power systems driving the radar system, but we can without question change the frequency of that system, and that can get us increased detection range. Now in a compact fighter jet, changing that frequency by significant amounts is not always practical (because the antenna system will not work correctly, or very well), but it is far more so possible for ground stations. The issue THEN becomes how can we for a given system optimize the power that we have. I mean, the power of such systems is not going to be increased without efforts. So, we have a given available power - the trick then becomes how to use that power available to increase detection range. We using all the power we can get - that's a given. But, by changing the frequency used for that same given power, yes, we can increase detection ranges.
@ekevanderzee95382 жыл бұрын
Like Ferrari once said: aerodynamics is for people who can't build engines.
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@karlbark2 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to hear about ..how the flight regime influences stealth. (F.ex. how you execute a turn in order to not angle the plane otwards the radar emitter. (And so on). -I watch your videos often -very interesting stuff ! -Cheers from 🇮🇸
@gbornitz2 жыл бұрын
I once read, that the better "speed to thrust" ratio of the SU-27 compared to the F-22 is mainly due to the more complex inlet of the SU-27. Because the F-22 favours stealth, it has a static inlet, which can't adjust for high Mach numbers. The SU-27 on the other hand can regulate the shock waves created by the inlet in front of the engine, so at the engine entry the air has the correct speed. Furthermore the SU-27 can adjust the air-mass flow to the engine to the speed, so there won't be too much or too less air flow to the engine. Source: mainly German version of the Wikipedie-article about the aerodynamics of the eurofighter
@SerbanOprescu2 жыл бұрын
I would say that this is an oversimplified explanation of the Su-27's aerodynamic superiority. While the detail may be true, the entire Sukhoi body is highly elaborated aerodynamically and all of it contributes to the aerodynamic performance, over a large range of flight situations. I know Germans to be quite methodic, so possibly the article you mentioned had more paragraphs to be read.
@gbornitz2 жыл бұрын
@@SerbanOprescu it basically boils down to a table, which stated, that if everything else is the same and only the inlets are different and you have at Mach 1 100% thrust, the SU-27 would loose 14% thrust at Mach 2.5, the eurofighter 20% and the F16 50%. The paragraph before that table described, how these differences occured. Because of stealth restrictions, the F-22 will likely perform equal or slightly worse than the eurofighter. On the other hand, even old planes like the F-4 Phantom could reach Mach 2.25 and the F-22 can, depending on the source, reaches Mach 1.8 at dry power, so there might be some restrictions, we are not aware of. It is probably more relevant, how good they accelerate at certain speeds and altitudes and how much fuel they burn to sustain certain speeds, because they determine, how much speed you will have at the beginning of an engagement/gain during the engagement. In some older manuals, like for the F-4, you can find such charts, but for modern fighters there is a reason, why they are classified. The top speed is useless, if you have to fly 200 km in a straight line and burn all your fuel to reach it.
@SerbanOprescu2 жыл бұрын
@@gbornitz There are some interesting facts, here, and a good explanation as it stands, but I will let these without a new answer. However! - as for the straight run burning up fuel, I have a true story that still makes me laugh and that refers to exactly this type of a situation: During a Red Flag exercise in Canada, the American air force came with F-18s, guided by an AWACS, to face a fleet (in that particular day) of RAF fighter pilots flying Tornados - the same as in the German Air Force, albeit with British electronics. As the two lines of fighter jets approached, suddenly one of the RAF pilots slammed the afterburner, and "pedal to the floor" bolted towards the American lines. He reached very fast 1,8 Mach, thrusted clean through the US lines and bore down straight on the AWACS. Now the AWACS was a good 200 km behind (as far as I remember), so it must have felt protected - but the supersonic Tornado was growing on their radar faster than a galloping buffalo (or the Spartan fly drawn on the shield, if you know the story), and the AWACS has no defense. Soon they saw they had no alternative but to turn tail. And turn the tail they did, and in a haste. They were biting their nails as they were trying to put some distance between the carnivorous British pilot and themselves, aiming for a saving grace and hoping. What saved then in the end was the Brit's fuel gauge, which was draining faster than a puddle in the desert, but the harm was done. By the time the Tornado had to return in order to come home in flight rather than walking, the American F-18s were left without an integrated command and control, and were demolished by the very well trained British pilots. It was 'carnage'. On the ground, the Brits tried to exchange pleasantries with their vanquished opponents, but the Americans didn't even show at dinner time in the mess. This is a true story. Achso, Georg, es ist möglich dass sometimes running in a straight line to the point of going empty might have a use, especially in the hands of a good pilot.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
There are several false assumptions about any max V0 for the Su-27 for starters: 1. The Su-27, or any 4th Gen fighter, doesn't fly to the max V0 and isn't capable of doing so. The adoption of turbofan motors pretty much put an end to achieving placard limits, even on Functional Check Flights, for most 4th Gen fighters. The F-16 is an outlier in this regard, able to achieve 2.035 Mach in a clean configuration, which has no relevance to a combat configuration. 2. The Su-27's main design advantage over US 4th Gen fighters is combat radius/range, due to its size, shaping, and fuel fraction. It doesn't need EFTs. 3. While 3rd Gen fighters were all about hitting and exceeding Mach 2, they needed to RTB immediately. The F-4 could break through Mach 2 easily even with External Tanks and 4 AIM-7s, but they had turbojet engines optimized for that segment of the flight regime. If only you could have fuel fraction like the Su-27 and speed like an F-4, but then sub and transonic regime is sacrificed without a major revolution in propulsion technology. 4. The placement of IRSTs on the nose of a fighter compromises the ogive shape, and has real aerodynamic penalties in the supersonic regime. The fastest F-14s were the initial prototypes without any ALR bulb or TCS. F-14D with dual IRST/TCS was the slowest, lucky to hit 1.8M on post-maint check flight and would still compressor stall at that speed, even though it had massive thrust advantage over TF30-equipped F-14s. One of the main causes of Su-27 losses is engines coming apart. It's not an air vehicle you want to push anywhere near its limits. Study the accident history of Flankers. It's embarrassing. Now load it up with AAMs, none of which are carried in recessed or conformal stations, and the thrust-to-drag ratio decreases. The F-22A can run it down like a dog even if the Su-27 tries to turn and run at supersonic speed. The F-22A can do that against supersonic F-15Cs and still achieve over Mach 1 in closure rate. This was demonstrated during its initial tactics development exercises. In reality, there are no advantages to the Su-27 other than range, which is a function of its huge fuel fraction.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@@gbornitz And yet the F-22A has demonstrably-superior supersonic performance over the Eurofighter, even with clean-nosed EF (no IRST). EF with IRST has noticeably-reduced max V0, not capable of reaching M2.0. RAF has it listed at 1.8M max with PIRATE IRST. F-22A is like a sled at altitude with very positive acceleration response even at 60k Flight Level, whereas Typhoon pilots say it wheezes up above 50k feet. So the inlet and serpentine ductwork plus next generation motors in the Raptor defy the assertions that it has inferior performance due to "stealth compromises". The Su-27 was the pace-setter for superior performance demanded by the ATF program, including forecast performance upgrades throughout the life of the Flanker series. They overmatched it in spades, with kinematics being the least-important aspect of that demonstrated unfair overmatch.
@badlandskid2 жыл бұрын
Mimicry is the highest form of flattery
@jannegrey5932 жыл бұрын
Hearing OTIS old voice made me nostalgic.
@amateurwizard2 жыл бұрын
AFAIK Indium Tin Oxide (ITO) is used for the F22s canopy.
@foshizzlfizzl2 жыл бұрын
That's why I love the YF-23 and the Su-57. Just because both are stealthy and look beautiful. But the Su-57 still is stealthy but kept its Aerodynamics because Russia hasn't go all in with stealth only.
@dsong20062 жыл бұрын
People keep saying J-20 is a copy of western fighters, in reality if you look at all the recent stealthy fighters(Boramae for ex.) they all look similar to F-22/F-35, the J-20 its actually only unique design out of all of them.
@minus213342 жыл бұрын
J20, the first jet featuring double vortex aero design with canard leveled with delta+ fairings, first jet to feature these combo aero config.
@Milvus_In_Excelsis2 жыл бұрын
Likely also the less stealthy of all of them.
@minus213342 жыл бұрын
@@Milvus_In_Excelsis for sinophobic
@dsong20062 жыл бұрын
Honestly with how powerful it's AESA radars is and operating under the sensor umbrella of K2000/K500s AWACs I doubt that is a big issue these days
@mignik012 жыл бұрын
@@minus21334 Yes physics is sinophobic.
@givemeabreak87842 жыл бұрын
Graphene is strong, conducting and transparent.
@Dubanx2 жыл бұрын
"Not % but dBs". That's one hell of a thing to skip over, considering dBS is a logarithmic scale.
@1moderntalking12 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanku- its so interesting. I realise that stealth and counter-stealth is a whole world of physics- amazing!
@Phos92 жыл бұрын
The YF-23 had remarkably good area ruling, I think the major limiting factor of the F-22's area ruling are the interior volume requirements, the larger and more useful weapons bay and the fairly long serpentine intake runners. Technically that's still stealth, but a different property of a stealthy design.
@jaimeduncan61672 жыл бұрын
Everybody and their uncle appears, suddenly, to be in love with the YF-23, I wonder if it has anything to do with the attempt to make it the base for Japan next generation fighter.
@Eduard_Kolesnikov2 жыл бұрын
мага интересное видео, спасибо тебе братан за разьяснение очень понравилось
@vMaxHeadroom2 жыл бұрын
The amount of FUD is legion. We, the general public will never know the true extent of this technology which has matured vastly from the days of the F-117 Nighthawk. Furthermore even SU-35's are going down in Ukraine and matching that against the F-35 or F-22 which would of course see it first and shoot first is a huge advantage. Both the F-35 and F-22 should never even be in a dog fight as the whole point of stealth is to get the first shot in as even a small advantage gives the edge. Now if the SU-35 was going against an F-15/Rafael/Typhoon/Gripen I would say there is a lot more parity. Finally these two stealth aircraft are just the tip as we have no idea what is hiding in the background.
@deantolley71182 жыл бұрын
I love this channel.It is near impossible to find anyone who is into aerodynamics, and aircraft like I am. It is very hard to find intelligent conversation.Your channel helps alot.lol
@cannonfodder43762 жыл бұрын
A nice compendium video on the topic of Stealth. A complex topic once one digs deeper but it puzzles me how people even who should know better get the beginners stuff wrong that you so nicely explain. It's not that hard....
@SamuHell7822 жыл бұрын
Disclaimer: This video is NOT sponsored by One Direction!
@dougsteel74142 жыл бұрын
Stealth is angular dependant. It's not just internal reflection, putting vertical stabilisers at non perpendicular angles serves as a marketing tool. Very rarely is a radar signal going to be at the same height as the target. RCS is measured in an idealistic fashion . Also, these mitigations become meaningless at lower frequencies. Any a2a weapon that switches frequency can move from approximation to IR , if lazy developers can be arsed
@kathrynck2 жыл бұрын
10:04 The max speed of the F-22 is dictated by coating temperature. It has a classified absolute top speed, if the need is urgent enough to ruin the coatings. So the difference in thrust:speed between F-22 and Su-35 is not readily comparable. That said, the F-22 does have more drag than the Su-35 (when both are clean of external ordinance). But this is largely due to stealth features of the interior of the air intake pathways. There's a lot of drag involved in this particular feature. The only other 'major' issue for stealth aircraft is the geometric volume of the internal weapons bay. To a large extent, stealth designs attempt to combine these drawbacks, and use the unusual geometry of the internal air pathways to double as part of the internal weapon's bay shape. Loaded with 8 AA missiles, the drag of the two planes becomes reasonably similar, though the Su-35 does still have a bit less drag. The external aerodynamics of the Have Blue & F-117 are pretty terrible. But it was quickly realized that curved surfaces are fine for stealth, so long as they curve in very particular ways. So the fuselage shape ends up looking curved front to back, but looking trapezoidal in cross section. More than anything, this adds weight rather than drag. But it can be used to leverage 'lifting body' shapes. Also, technically, thrust can't be applied linearly to speed generation, as engines are designed with certain speeds in mind. As a result, their peak thrust is not necessarily highly usable at maximum speed. For example, the big large bypass engines on a 777-300ER have 115,000 lbs of thrust each, but would be ill suited to making a supersonic aircraft, even if not attached to the huge 777 airframe. Generally there are trade-offs in max speed for the sake of fuel economy, and vice versa, even between designs which have the same amount of thrust force. Edit: oh, getting into the Keller Cone. Very thorough. Strays pretty close to some stuff which I think isn't public info.
@secularnevrosis2 жыл бұрын
The aerodynamic properties of the airframe will determine the amount of thrust you need to push from your engine to reach the speed you want. A very good airframe will let you go fast with a low % load on the engine (= fuel efficient and cooler) or simply use a smaller engine. The high bypass engines have problems with reheat and efficiency at high altitudes. And the size can be a problem. If you want a very efficient bypass engine you will need to have a large bypass ratio. The air intakes can have many forms. Simple straight ones, with variable ramps, are ofc very good. Many single engine aircrafts have curved or S shaped ones. That shape "hides" the fan blades (radar) and also serves as a diffuser that slows down the air, preventing supersonic air entering the compressor and fan. I think that the most aerodynamically detremental feature of the F-22 (or any other stealth ac) is that it can not be built with the area rule in mind. They are all a bit "stubby" because the requirements, for the physical stealth design features, makes them have this design.
@kathrynck2 жыл бұрын
@@secularnevrosis I think the "stubby" look is more the result of the internal weapons bays. All stealth aircraft look a little bit pregnant.
@rgloria402 жыл бұрын
@@kathrynck Can they build a better and faster F117 so that it can be a real fighter versus a bomber.
@kathrynck2 жыл бұрын
@@rgloria40 It's not particularly maneuverable. It also doesn't have a lot of power. The F-117 is surprisingly "cobbled together" from mostly off the shelf parts. It has some small commercial airliner engines, seat, instruments, etc, mostly pulled from parts piles of other aircraft. No radar at all. And the coatings aren't terribly exotic on the F-117 (though it is very toxic, so hazmat needed for applying coatings). They're actually really cheap to make. They really don't have much speed, or capability to handle G-loading though. But... if you start a clean slate design, from the ground up to be more of a fighter... but limit yourself to lower cost tech, I think you could make some kind of cheap stealth fighter. You'd end up with something like a grippen or F-20 tigershark, but stealth. The F-35 is kinda that idea, but on a larger scale, with a whole lot of feature-creep making it very technologically advanced. But it's built to be reasonably priced. There's something to be said for having a more minimalistic design though. Less eggs in one basket. I think there would be a market for a small stealth fighter, with a single engine in the 18-20,000 lbs thrust range. Probably use no radar at all (like the F-117), use something like the IR/EOTS from the F-35 as the whole sensor suite. You'd definitely want HOBS + HMDS, cuz even though it's kinda fancy for a minimalist design, it's way too potent to pass up. There's a type of missile which is "missing" from modern arsenals right now I think... just put the IR sensor head of something like an AIM-9X, into a larger missile, folding fins for compact internal storage, and inertial or networked guidance out to the target until the IR sensor is close enough to lock on. With no radar in it, it would be somewhat cheaper than the AIM-120. And it would also avoid giving any obvious sign of it's approach. Fighters have IR detectors to see when they're being fired upon by passive homing missiles, but on most planes, they're not completely reliable. If the missile had good glide properties, and went cold well before the final approach, it could just sneak up on a target if used outside the target's radar's scan area. I envision it as something like an "air to air" Stormbreaker bomb (250 lbs, but can glide at about a 5:1 descent), but with a rocket booster on the back, and an AIM-9X seeker on the nose. It wouldn't be able to chase a maneuvering target, but it could pretty easily sneak up on a target if used from the right approach vector. And it would be cheap(ish), and fairly compact. But at the end of the day, you'd be looking at a plane which costs at least $60m, likely closer to 80m. And the F-35 only costs $80m due to economy of scale in it's production. So... just get an F-35, it's far more capable. But for countries which don't have access to buying the F-35, there would be a market for such a plane definitely. Technically, an F-117 could pretend to be a fighter if it were upgraded to have HOBS targeting, and just acted as a non-maneuverable platform to sneak air to air missiles into range. It'd be pretty effective at night. But F-117's are defenseless in daylight if spotted. I think most countries are looking to unmanned stealthy drones as low cost/high risk unmaneuverable ordinance platforms to fill in the low budget range. Air to ground is already commonplace for such drones, and I'm sure multiple parties are looking at air to air options (like the loyal wingman project in the US).
@rgloria402 жыл бұрын
@@kathrynck Against the Russian in Ukraine, it might be good enough. For example, look at the World war 1 trenches....
@Phos92 жыл бұрын
17:33 I've typically seen this type of intake called a caret intake, named after the ^ character. Also something I've been thinking about for a while: Making the external stores themselves stealthy (seems like you would want to do this anyway to minimize the warning the enemy gets) and minimize their RCS penalty via means such as canted pylons and recessed pallets (as seen for AIM-54 drag reduction on the F-14) (edit:pffffff!)
@zchen272 жыл бұрын
Basically what the US is doing with stealthy pods for external ordnance.
@mike47692 жыл бұрын
Stealth could be the answer to breaking Russias air defense dome.
@Mr.aAdDies2 жыл бұрын
This is the best resource for in depth info on combat aircraft on YT
@philoso3772 жыл бұрын
Page 3:12. The term resonance implies a device has a comb spectral response to attenuate a single or odd harmonic waves and has a limited bandwidth. Good if the enemy only use a single frequency you know of.
@teashea12 жыл бұрын
This is so excellent. Well organized. Articulate. Very fine explanations.
@smalcolmbrown5 ай бұрын
Thank you. This is very interesting.
@b.griffin3172 жыл бұрын
Given that RAM causes radiation to bounce around inside itself to avoid reflecting it outward does RAM cause some heating of the aircraft's surface?
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
Yes but it is negligible
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
I respectfully disagree about the Su-35 being more aerodynamic. If this was true, then it should be able to supercruise equal to or faster than the F-22A. Even in a clean configuration, it can't. So you're forced to accept that stealth aircraft like the F-22A have some significant advantages that can't be explained away with thrust alone. Now throw in the combat stores, and the aerodynamic argument is thoroughly in favor of 5th Gen.
@glidingstar2 жыл бұрын
Supercruise is mainly engine dependent, which is one of the main technological/financial hurdle to overcome when trying to develop a 5th gen fighter. It improves stealth as using afterburner is all too flashy/hot/loud when your aim is to reduce the chances of detection. It also helps with not having to carry external fuel tanks or requiring more frequent in-flight refueling.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@@glidingstar In the 1980s, we were focused on supercruise in 4th Gen mutual detection fighter metrics where it would be great to have that kind of trsnsonic ability and separation kinematics without giving an AB-induced IR signature bloom that IRSTs and IR missiles could cue-in. With the levels of RF and IR stealth we have, it doesn't make a lot of sense to aero-heat the leading edges and increase IR detection range for the threat, so remaining undetected trumps kinematics as you compress the WEZ/NEZ. Better to find a NEZ window and exploit it unseen, vs launch from supersonic speeds in a mutual detection skirmish with initial sacrificial BVR missiles that posture the fight based on first-shoot.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@Vat RW I've been in the aerospace and defense sector since the 1970s, studied the NATO AeroE course materials for 3 years, and spend decades at the USAF Flight Test Center very close to several developmental programs. Again, you can take the most optimized fighter design with a balance between finess ratio and lifting surfaces with excellent T/W ratio, but the moment you attach pylons, rails, and weapons, the design is significantly compromised by parasitic drag. 5th Gen with internal bays don't suffer from that problem, and therefore maintain their slick configuration advantage. We dealt with this problem for decades, and it's one of the biggest complaints from the 4th Generation.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@Vat RW MiG-23 absolutely has superb supersonic acceleration, but is very unstable in the yaw axis the higher in Mach value that it goes. Raptor doesn't need AB to go Mach. It will supercruise into the Mach 1.5-1.6 region easily in mil power. Nothing else does that, including Su-57.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@Vat RW Su-57 was originally supposed to match or exceed the F-22's kinematics with a high supercruise value. It was downgraded a few years ago to Mach 1.2 cruise without AB since they can't get the required performance from the engines, and Izdeliye-30 motors still aren't ready. I've never seen a claim from Russian language sources for Mach 2 supercruise. There were 2 main phases of Su-57 prototypes, where the aircraft grew in length, wingspan, and weight in the 2nd phase due to weight increases from all the avionics, sensors, and combat systems. The production design needs more air mass flow and power to reach the planned KPPs, with accompanying boundary layer management to facilitate higher Mach values. There is also an inherent design flaw aerodynamically with yaw instability, where the aircraft will depart controlled flight and not recover, which is what happened to the 1st production serial Su-57 on its pre-delivery functional check flight by one of the best test pilots in Russia, who tried everything to recover it. The reason for this is how tiny the vertical stabs are and how flat the airframe and wings are, which blank out the vertical tails at certain yaw rates. The Su-57 is a critique of where Russian developmental and production capacity are currently. Izdeliye-30 was supposed to be in production already in 2014.
@jpierce2l33t2 жыл бұрын
Why don't you cover any of the Russian military failures in Ukraine? They've had magnitudes of them, across air, land, and sea. Equipment failures, and a clear display of what was boasted to be great...is in reality, 3rd rate Soviet garbage. You'd have enough content for a solid year or more. But for some reason you refuse, and continue to speak of them in a positive light? Hrmm...wonder why that is. 🤦♂️ You might have some of these people fooled, but not I.
@vMaxHeadroom2 жыл бұрын
True! And even if the Russian planes are more manoeuvrable, they will be seen first and shot at first by the F-35/F-22 long before they even know there was a stealth fighter in the air, that is if they have been maintained, which after watching what is going on in Ukraine does not seem to be the case. I wonder how much money got funnelled into the pockets of the Russian politicians instead of the manufactures and maintainers.
@jpierce2l33t2 жыл бұрын
@@vMaxHeadroom boat loads, apparently. I guess they didn't forsee them participating in any 'friendly military operations' anytime soon when they did it 🤣
@romanregman14692 жыл бұрын
Otis appears to have been raised in Hindyia, only there one could hear so many "sir" 's.
@sth2422 жыл бұрын
OTIS never sounded more impassionate.
@philoso3772 жыл бұрын
This is least discussed. Behind the nose cone of fighter jets is radar antenna that reflect radar signal? Can you make your antenna high in efficient and still be stealthy?
@Phos92 жыл бұрын
If you want a neat example of why planes behave like mirrors to radar, look at a piece of brushed stainless steel (such as you would find on an appliance) using a thermal camera. The brushed surface reflects like a mirror in that band. Same with the surface of water, it looks like mercury through a thermal camera.
@DrsharpRothstein2 жыл бұрын
You are wrong about Area Ruling. It is still valid for stealth aircraft but its use is much more sophisticated now.
@sholinwright66212 жыл бұрын
Stealth can also be active, not just due to geometry or materials. Also, the blockiness of stealth aircraft is due to the need to carry the weapons internally.
@cliffordnelson84542 жыл бұрын
Guess I was wrong, I was saying half the distance and cross section goes up by a factor of 4, but it is actually a factor of 16. Thank you.
@chickenychickens07 Жыл бұрын
Man, this guy is the goat
@militavia-air-defense-aircraft2 жыл бұрын
27:32 There is not such plasma thingy. It was a hyped UL in the late '90s...
@zackthebongripper72742 жыл бұрын
The F-22 does utilize the area rule. Your picture of a straight line along the side is not truly accurate. The F-22 lower fusalage is tapered. It's not just brute force.
@Redsson562 жыл бұрын
I think % is very different than dB of attenuation. -10dB is factor of 10. -15dB is about factor of about 30 I think. So equivalent to 90 to 97% attenuation.
@aerospacedoctor2 жыл бұрын
The comment about the aerodynamics of the F-22 and F-35 wings is not correct. This wing is similar to the F-104 Starfighter in terms of taper and aspect ratio. This is actually an aerodynamic combination which gives an induced drag factor about the same as a high aspect ratio elliptical wing. Check out Fig 6 in my paper DOI:10.3846/16487788.2016.1195076 (tried posting yesterday with the URL so thought that might be the reason my comment failed, hence just the DOI today). The caption is wrong, but it shows the induced drag factor for different taper and aspect ratios. Fig 7 shows that negative induce drag factors are possible, with things like box wings (what the paper is about).
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing out, I will check it out
@aerospacedoctor2 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech It might not be directly implied, but great content (hence the subscription); thanks for the interesting content to watch. While I knew a lot of the things mentioned, the engine ducts acting like waveguides was new, and given I did microwave waveguides, diffraction, interference etc in my undergrad physics labs, I should have thought about that before now. Sadly in my lectures I did Stealth last week, so a little late to talk about it this year, maybe next year.
@esven92632 жыл бұрын
29:00 I have to disagree with what you say about cockpits, though it's possible I'm wrong. To my knowledge the cockpits used in stealth craft use a multi-layer Salisbury screen to minimize their radar cross section. The Salisbury screen is formed using conductive layers at different depths. How much energy is reflected or transmitted by a given layer can be tuned in a number of ways. At the most basic etching different patterns and gratings in the layers will allow different amounts of energy through similar to how you can see more through a screen door than a collinder. The thickness of the conductive layers compared to the skin depth of the incoming signal, which is dependent on frequency, can be also used to reflect or transmit different amounts of energy at different frequencies. It is the spacing between the layers which determines how the different reflections interact when they meet. If there is exactly 1/4 a wavelength of distance between two layers for example they'll exactly cancel out, if there is exactly 1/2 wavelength between them they'll sum together. Using a large number of layers and very precisely controlling their properties makes it possible to engineer a Salisbury screen with multiple resonances and better performance over a range of frequencies. The conductive layers are typically formed from indium tin oxide which has a slight gold tint to it but the large number of layers and the thickness of some of the layers makes the effect more noticeable. Again, I'm open to being wrong, but this is how I understand it to work. Nothing about differently sized particles of rare metal oxides or atomically thin sheets of metallic gold. Just the same principles that anti-glare coatings work on.
@ascherlafayette85722 жыл бұрын
@@jpierce2l33t That's a little extreme. Just out of curiosity, what source are you using for this information?
@jpierce2l33t2 жыл бұрын
Some fighters have gold in the canopy, and while this is all classified, everything I've ever read about US stealth aircraft says the F35 and F22 use ITO. Google will provide you with several sources, including military magazines, research papers, etc.
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was what I explained. I show the geometric reflections if there was a reflective surface and then I explain exactly what you said. At least that was my intention. I didn't use the term Salisbury screen though...
@jpierce2l33t2 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech I think he basically meant some stealth jets don't use gold in the canopy...some use ITO, some use gold, some use ITO+gold. PS - I'll stop being an ass. I'm just quite upset over the conflict in Ukraine, and I've become very anti-Russian military...I used to love it, too 😞
@nuclearwarhead93382 жыл бұрын
@@jpierce2l33t so you let sentiment influence your judgment? Wow, how basic.
@Miata822 Жыл бұрын
"IRONY Starting" HA!
@oddy16372 жыл бұрын
Super informative as always!
@brucebaxter69232 жыл бұрын
I’m not smart enough to work out how multiple spaced phased array antenna vs monolithic antenna compares when looking at signal to noise ratio
@GoSlash272 жыл бұрын
If you have a used book store in your area, I recommend the ARRL antenna handbook. They provide a really good foundation for understanding this stuff. Basically, phased arrays and parabolic antennas are equivalent as far as directional gain. The advantage of phased arrays is that they're steered electronically rather than mechanically and are able to transition from looking in one direction to another instantaneously.
@brucebaxter69232 жыл бұрын
@@GoSlash27 I get that, but there is advantages in averaging out the noise by having large distances between multiple elements, In radio astronomy they prefer to use multiple spaced antenna than a single large one. In sonar, it’s a multi element towed array. Etc etc.
@SuperSetright2 жыл бұрын
The benefit of multiple spacing, on (ground radars) is that the signal arrives at these antennas at different times and therefore at different phases. (nanosecond/degrees of phase.). By combining these signals(phases) you can either strengthen the signal return or weaken the signal return.
@GoSlash272 жыл бұрын
@@brucebaxter6923 In the phased array or AESA installation on modern fighters, there's not a large distance between elements, it's all λ/2 So no, there's no noise cancelling going on as a direct result. Modern DSP algorithms will take multiple echoes from a single target and average them into a mean, which causes the noise to statistically cancel. What *is* interesting is that using a phased array perpendicular to the flight path allows you to fake a much "larger" array with the right algorithms, allowing you to build an extremely detailed picture of the target at much higher resolution than would otherwise be possible. This is the basis for synthetic aperture radar, which is useful for identifying targets beyond visual range. It also allows you to independently steer multiple beams. In comparison, the parabolic reflector or cassegrain is a big clumsy radio wave bucket.
@brucebaxter69232 жыл бұрын
@@GoSlash27 Yes, I do agree. I was thinking the inverse though, a dish has a solid area, but the phased array has more like a percentage of the same area, like more efficient for the same realestate? Synthetic aperture is the phrase I was trying to think of, does the smaller the aperture collect smaller noise as well as greater signal?
@1701Larry2 жыл бұрын
OK ---- The F-22 is made of hundreds of separate Pannels that have to be perfectly fitted and sealed with Radar Obsorbant... That water loves to whick threw destroying the pannels and surface when it freezes... The F-23 was made of huge single pannels... The whole upper surface of both wings and Center fuselage was made as one Compossit piece with no seams or holes is just one example... Why the F-23 had half the RC of the F-22... With the F-23 flight ships still having 99% of their Surface RC in tact after sitting for several Decades out in the open Weather before finally being sent to Museums... While the F-22 can not with stand a few weeks with out complicated Maintinance to maintain its RC... The Meters of Tape shown crisis Crossing the surfaces on F-22 are also evident in most photos...
@Kenneth_James2 жыл бұрын
When will the 57 actually be in production?
@mibo7472 жыл бұрын
Many thanks - PLENTY KNOWLEDGE!
@lancemurdoc67442 жыл бұрын
Otis is the kind of AI wie would like to have beside us.
@Annou7la Жыл бұрын
All 4th get look the same because the requirement was speed and maneuverability and the tech was was jet engines. All passengers planes look the same and essentially all cars are a box with 4 wheels. Form follows function. Shocking. .
@fruityoverlord99372 жыл бұрын
YF-23 was a beast!
@obliviouz2 жыл бұрын
This may be a dumb question, but is there a reason why designers cannot design the radar reflective structure of the airframe to minimise radar reflection, and then on top of that structure, use radar transparent materials to maximise aerodynamics?
@AmericanDiscord2 жыл бұрын
Why not just build the entire plane from transparent materials, then you got no return at all!
@obliviouz2 жыл бұрын
@@AmericanDiscord Hahaha I actually did consider that but you can't - I think modern fighters already use a lot of composite materials but they tend not to have the strength and rigidity required at high speeds and high-g maneuvers. I think.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
That is already a huge part of RF stealth. The Radome has to be RF transparent/permeable, so the structures behind the Radar have to have RCS reduction measures incorporated into their positioning and shaping. For the nose, that includes the antennae array and the bulkhead behind it. Carbon Fiber is transparent in RF spectrum, so its extensive use helps reduce the RCS considerably. The F-35A/B/C use extensive CF structures down to the bulkheads, runners, spars, and spanners in the tail booms and 4 tailplanes, which increases strength, reduces weight, and reduces RCS dramatically.
@thelovertunisia2 жыл бұрын
The F117 will always remind me of STARGATE Deathgliders hh
@pavelmateja48222 жыл бұрын
Who says there has to be 90 degrees angle between wing and pylons?
@geeussery88492 жыл бұрын
Fascinating as always, regards to Otis!
@pauljmeyer12 жыл бұрын
Goodness! no wonder these planes are so expensive.
@johnzach20572 жыл бұрын
Please please please a video on how to detect stealth planes.
@timcameron90232 жыл бұрын
stores should be triangular in cross section (flat on top, 'downward' angles on sides)
@Redsson562 жыл бұрын
I’m interested in reflection from radar antennas.
@getupspeed33932 жыл бұрын
What about horizontal radars?
@hellcat9165 Жыл бұрын
great work mate
@zmajew2 жыл бұрын
So, one aerodynamic engineer new days has to know maxwell equations by heart
@benwelch40762 жыл бұрын
How to become an expert in about half an hour, that's what I did by watching this video. Once again your content is just amazing and presented in an easy to understand and fun way. Cheers.
@mohamedmohamud96912 жыл бұрын
Well! First of all thank you for your infomative and indepth analysis about fighter Aircraft components, Radars and so forth. I have two questions though. 1: At one time I happened to come across a story in KZbin that the F. 16 is faster than the F. 35, So how come that the F. 35 has the same speed like the S.U. 35 which in the previous story was said is way much faster than the F.35? My second question is, is there any fighter Aircraft that can 100 percent avade detection? Thank you.
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
"At one time I happened to come across a story in KZbin that the F. 16 is faster than the F. 35, So how come that the F. 35 has the same speed as the S.U. 35 which in the previous story was said is way much faster than the F.35" You need to ask yourself how do you intend to use the fighters. Weaponless the F16 is faster than F35 Mach 2 vs. Mach 1.6+ With weapons the F35 is faster . This point is something these content makers on YT like to ignore in their videos. It's probably an inconvenient truth .
@soopersooper32912 жыл бұрын
There is no aircraft that can 100% evade detection, I don't care if it was made by aliens, it can be detected under certain circumstances.
@NationChosenByGod2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the F-22 being brute force rather than aerodynamic.
@secularnevrosis2 жыл бұрын
You mean it wouldn't go faster if the airframe were aerodynamically optimized?? Or that it doesn't need as powerful engines to get the speed? How does that even work...I mean logically?!
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
@@secularnevrosis "How does that even work...I mean logically?!" It(F22A) is the only in service Fighter on the planet than can do Mach 2+, pull 9-Gs, Super Cruise at Mach 1.8, all while carrying a full war load of 8 missiles and 9 tons of fuel. For a fighter as in ready to to do battle with actual weapons. Nothing is as fast or maneuverable, and it is not even close. We have seen supersonic F15s running away from F22s, and the F22 pilots ran down those same F15s with over Mach 1 of closure. Those are F15s!!. The F22 is as aerodynamically optimized as a fighter can get, given what it was designed for. So, I agree with Carl the F22 being about brute force misses the mark bye a mile. The effects of internal and how it reduces RCS is well known, but the positive effects on kinematics is usually ignored. Like in the video
@secularnevrosis2 жыл бұрын
@@bjjace1 There are more manuverable fighters. But that is not the point. Do the F-22 have better aerodynamics than many other *stealth fighters* ? I bet it has. Does it have better aerodynamics than a fighter jet that is aerodynamically optimized? It cant be. That would upset the stealth geometry, in the same way stealth design is not optimized for aerodynamics. The advantage of carrying the payload internally is also a must for having the best stealth configuration. If you put the same engines on another platform it would be faster. Not because the F-22 is "bad" but because you can make it more aerodynamical. Then you could get away with less fuel. The F-4 was really fast in the day (it's still a fast jet). It was as aerodynamical as a brick, but had two powerful engines that made up for that. But you said it best your self: "The F22 is as aerodynamically optimized as a fighter can get, given what it was designed for. "
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
@@secularnevrosis There are more maneuverable fighters." No, there is not. There are aircraft, that are not carrying any weapons that are more maneuverable than a F22, but it beyond disingenuous to claim those aircraft are "fighters". Weaponless Aircraft facing any modern fighter is nothing. It is utter Bull Shit. Almost every single video Gus had made references military aviation, and specifically fighters and weapons. Per the Channel: "in this channel we are going to cover military history and military technology in particular, with a heavy bias on aerospace, from slightly unusual point of views. Yea, I would say it is very unusual to discuss a Fighter's aerodynamic performance and the fighter's weapons, yet ignoring the aggregate effect the weapons have on that fighter's performance. No , aerodynamicist, engineer, or physicist would do that. Professional Air Forces don't judge aircraft performance or aerodynamics in a vacuum. "If you put the same engines on another platform it would be faster." Another nebulous phrase. Faster than what? If You replace the F15's engines with F119 engines. Sure, it will have more thrust, but swapping engines does nothing to mitigate the drag inherent on all 4th Generation aircraft. It won't be faster than the F22 if it is carrying weapons. The laws of physics are clear on this. Again, we have combat loaded F22 doing Mach 2 in a 20 degree nose high climb and accelerating. During its testing phase, but has inferior aerodynamics???? "But you said it best your self: "The F22 is as aerodynamically optimized as a fighter can get, given what it was designed for. " The F22 is designed to shoot down other fighters/aircraft. It was designed to have no equal in that regards. It was not designed to win a meaningless contrived race, or some ill-defined you-tube aerodynamics competition. Remember, I did not bring up the F22. Gus did in his video. I'm not out trying to bash other jets, I just think this video in particular falls very short with regards to the nuances of fighter performance. He set a pretty high bar for himself with his other videos. "Does it have better aerodynamics than a fighter jet that is aerodynamically optimized? "It cant be." It can't? Why Not? This has not been proven or shown in any meaningful way bye anyone here.
@secularnevrosis2 жыл бұрын
@@bjjace1 " There are aircraft, that are not carrying any weapons that are more maneuverable than a F22, but it beyond disingenuous to claim those aircraft are "fighters". " Almost all modern fighters are able to preform 9G turns with a full AA suite. With 6 Harpoons or GBU's? No. But there are still aircraft that have no problem with doing that. "Yea, I would say it is very unusual to discuss a Fighter's aerodynamic performance and the fighter's weapons, yet ignoring the aggregate effect the weapons have on that fighter's performance. " The aircraft needs to fulfill the tasks that its supposed to do. That is why carrier based aircraft have different specifications, STOL have simmilar but different specs and so on and so forth. "If You replace the F15's engines with F119 engines. Sure, it will have more thrust, but swapping engines does nothing to mitigate the drag inherent on all 4th Generation aircraft. It won't be faster than the F22 if it is carrying weapons. The laws of physics are clear on this." Yes it's the F-15. Mighty as it is, it's not even a "4:th generation" airframe. The electronics are up to standard for a 4+ gen aircraft. The F-119 has dry: 26,000 lbf and >35,000 lbf AB. X2 If we compare that with the F141G. Dry: 13,000 lbf and 22,000 lbf AB. X1. That engine happens to be used in a "4-5:th gen" airframe. The JAS39E. One engine is able to let that fighter "super cruise" at Mach 1.2 and reach Mach 2, with full AA suite and a droptank. The older and less powerful JAS39 A-D series could super cruise clean. Why is that? Because its more aerodynamic than the rest of the 4:th gens. So if we put the F-119 engines in an aerodynamically optimized airframe we should see the an even better result. As you said: "The laws of physics are clear on this." "The F22 is designed to shoot down other fighters/aircraft. It was designed to have no equal in that regards. It was not designed to win a meaningless contrived race, or some ill-defined you-tube aerodynamics competition." Like all other fighters? All fighters are designed after that premise. To do what they are designed to do with in the constrains of the design. And if you missed it, I talked about the compromises you need to make in order to have good stealth and all other things you want. If you want good stealth and speed = internal weapons = big engines = lots of fuel = large and heavy airframe. "Why Not? This has not been proven or shown in any meaningful way bye anyone here." Please see the video again and look at his other videos regarding aerodynamics. If you still don't understand what he is talking about just ask. Ok?
@alf30712 жыл бұрын
why don't they just put the ducts above the wings like the b2?
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
Loss of air mass flow into the ductwork at high AOA. Your leading edges on the wings blank out the airflow, which passes up and over top-mounted intakes. They work fine for straight and level flight with minimal AOA and tame maneuvering. For rapid changes in AOA, you suffer from compressor stalls and stagnation. It's a great question though.
@phunkracy2 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 aoa= angle of attack:) for the uninitiated
@fastmover452 жыл бұрын
Very Well Done!
@lucdelhaize40292 жыл бұрын
Su 35 is one of the most beautiful and efficient aircraft ever built and I am a very biased Westerner but that is the reality.
@51339372 жыл бұрын
As a fellow Westerner I concur, the Su-27 and its many subsequent variants is the most beautiful fighter aircraft ever built. It should have an exhibit in an an art museum.
@fokjohnpainkiller2 жыл бұрын
*Laughs in F-15
@Milvus_In_Excelsis2 жыл бұрын
Efficient in what way? It's just an upgraded SU27.
@petermcgarrymusicandflying2 жыл бұрын
Have to agree with you. Totally.
@petermcgarrymusicandflying2 жыл бұрын
F22 is a beast but the vertical twin fins looks ridiculous. Just from an aesthetic viewpoint. Fricking huge ....but stealthy and ugly from the side. Just an opinion on looks.
@JinKee2 жыл бұрын
5:00 if only we could get a flying saucer to fly, it would scatter radar hitting the edge up and down and be a total pain to get a skin paint on
@terrytartu2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@HerbstaMagus2 жыл бұрын
Resistance goes to 0? Superconducting surfaces? Yeah right... hahha
@SerbanOprescu2 жыл бұрын
I would have focused on the wavelength classes used in aircraft detection at 22:30, but Otis was exchanging 'pleasantries' with the system administrator. I object to the use of distracting language by that sneaky, hack-into-everything (and have-insiders-everywhere) aide of yours when serious things are of matter! (PS. Can you do something to make Otis behave, or he is just a lost cause altogether?) 😊
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
Lost cause, it can self alter the coefficients in the algorithm.
@SerbanOprescu2 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech
@SerbanOprescu2 жыл бұрын
I wrote to you about an old type of French radar.
@ViceCoin2 жыл бұрын
What about electronic stealth? Generating electronic masking or synthetic clutter?
@razor1uk6102 жыл бұрын
Electronically created, generated or altered 'stealth' is, would be part of Electronic Warefare & ELINT/SIGINT, and as such, will be highly misreported & misinformed, or be ignored, due to aspects covered under-such protocols, being viewed as extremely top secret by many nations, for any good channels & experts, (such as M7*,) who ascribe to factual information and providing informative 'gists' of technical subjects. I suppose any passively induced EW effect could be considered more stealthy than from an active EW effect.., ...but then the passive is still likely a function of the structural materials & structural RF design node focusing & dissipation and the actual crafts design.
@geekdaddy53512 жыл бұрын
When a plane is flying at mach 2, what about the temperature of the plane ? Do air friction increase temp of plane to "high" value? High enough to be detected with infra red detector? Good and very informative vid, as usual!
@gbornitz2 жыл бұрын
First to clarify: any plane can be detected by any sensor (radar, infra red), only the distance will be different. A plane at Mach 2 will certainly create enough heat, so that a modern IRST will track it at 50 to >100 km distance. But with clouds or fog, this number will drop significantly to maybye 20 km. At this range, also many radars can detect stealth planes.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
Yes. Aero-heating of all supersonic leading edges is a significant factor in IRST detection range and tracking ability. In many instances, it's better to hug the Mach at high subsonic speed with a fuel consumption optimized for that region, vs burning a lot of fuel only to rush to your early detection. F-35s have been defeating F-22s in Large Force Exercises since 2017 since they have major advantages in IR spectrum.
@johnmeleen90652 жыл бұрын
Would the US giving Ukraine. 10 F-22s be considered an act of war by US?
@loucyphers_nightmare2 жыл бұрын
Irelivent question because that will never happen, plus even if they did it would take probably a year to train them
@timpeterson27382 жыл бұрын
Excellent video buddy ! Thanks
@marklowden50542 жыл бұрын
Have a real fundamental thought. Please devunk it for me to put me out of my stupidity
@AboOmar2002 жыл бұрын
Good job.... a question where did you learn all of this? what are your resources??
@ArizonaAstraLLC Жыл бұрын
Watch the video, whenever he makes a point, at the very bottom of the video on a small black highlight, in white text, he lists his source
@AboOmar200 Жыл бұрын
@@ArizonaAstraLLC thanks
@jpierce2l33t2 жыл бұрын
I also wanted to note that the felon has the biggest radar cross section of the 5th gen planes, by an order of magnitude. It's a stretch even calling it stealthy, or 5th gen even, for that matter.
@direwolf74912 жыл бұрын
I always wondered that radar absorbant material wouldn't they absorb the radar waves the same/similar way as any other wave? So how do IR detectors can detect stealth aircrafts? Doesn't the IR too get scattered or absorbed the similar way?
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
Nope. RAMs effectiveness depends from the frequency. What works in radar domain doesn't work in IR.
@direwolf74912 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Yes, thank you for clarifying that it is only Radar frequency specific.🙏
@anahernez12 жыл бұрын
thank you. This video nicely summarized many previously covered topics. It was easy to follow if one had watched the previous videos. It was potentially overwhelming if one hadn't watched the previous videos.
@ranua93272 жыл бұрын
video stealth the aerodinamic star 🙃😂
2 жыл бұрын
In short: All geometric shapes are bad.
@richardbudd53342 жыл бұрын
Very informative as usual for your videos!
@Tattlebot2 жыл бұрын
Don't mid-wing stores limit the flexing of wings? Another stealth issue.
@dharmayudh23122 жыл бұрын
Su57?
@51339372 жыл бұрын
Still same general shaping, though the Su-57 prioritize stealth a little less than say the F-22. Rivets, protruding FLIR, and non-stealthy exhaust nozzles reduce its stealth compared to the F-22.
@Minh-Tran-042 жыл бұрын
@@5133937 Not really, Su-57 is pretty much the only one which chooses to have spaced engine (besides the YF-23) to use 3D thrust vector nozzles and have a completely different weapon bays layout. But that doesn’t mean it is better that the Raptor though.
@51339372 жыл бұрын
@@Minh-Tran-04 Yeah the spaced engines and weapons bays are different, but the general lifting-body delta-wing design with no forward canards, rear horizontal stabilizers compressed into the main wings, canted vertical tail fins, and the general shape of the nose and cockpit area all follow the same pattern as the F-22 and all the other stealth jets.
@Minh-Tran-042 жыл бұрын
@@5133937 Well yeah, you got the point. After all stealth designs still have to follow some choices after all, although not all of them have exact same features like each other.
@Milvus_In_Excelsis2 жыл бұрын
@@5133937 the SU57 is not stealth at all. Just stealthy at best. A clean F16 Viper has a lower RCS than the SU57.
@MrScientifictutor2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so good.
@JohnGaltAustria2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the design of the F-117 originated on computers using punchcards.
@sean707292 жыл бұрын
Being it was the 1970s and the DOD is notoriously slow at adopting new computer tech it's totally believable.
@shrek_2_on_dvd6992 жыл бұрын
otis isnt cringey
@djolds12 жыл бұрын
Exceptionally informative and thorough. Thank you.
@kalle55482 жыл бұрын
Great video, just one thing, you mentioned that the stealth pylons couldn't hide the fact that they were at a 90° angle, but wouldn't it be possible to make the entire pylon tilted outward, having to mirrored models, one for each wing
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
That's what they did with stations 1 & 11 on F-35s, plus the pylons, rails, and missiles themselves are made with LO features. In practice, the frontal RCS on F-35s is about the same and allows air planners to configure some F-35s primarily for A2A, and others more for getting into the threat MEZ for deep strike mission sets for phase 1 of the sortie, before they swing into other opportunistic sets. You can configure with 6 AAMs, while others carry only 2 AAMs and 8 SDBs, or 2 JDAMs, or 1 JDAM and 4 SDBs, etc. Lead OCA/DCA flights, lead D-SEAD flights, trail deep strike flights, trail OCA/DCA flights, trail follow-on strike flights, in waves.
@kalle55482 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52Wait, so they did make externally mounted weapon's for the F35 that don't drastically increase the RCS, but that's only used after the initial strike? Just making sure i understand you correctly
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@@kalle5548 You can launch all your initial sorties with varying configurations between totally clean and mostly clean with only AIM-9X Block II+ on stations 1 & 11. The Offensive Counter-Air focused F-35s might have 6 AAMs including -9Xs externally, while D-SEAD and strikers are clean with internal bombs and 2x -120s each. If you watch mass sortie launches at any of the Flag LFEs, you see this type of force mix. It presents as 3 basic configuration approaches for JSF: 1. VLO Clean 2. VLO w external AIM-9X 3. Dirty with external pylons under wings for bombs, cruise missiles (rarely seen) Everyone is either in a 1 or 2 configuration class. USMC does more dirty configurations sometimes.
@kalle55482 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 Yo, huge thanks for taking the time and typing that out
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 "2. VLO w external AIM-9X" any idea of the RCS penalty of this configuration? I suspect the RCS of Aim-9X to be pretty small, but was wondering what You thought..
@lordsqueak2 жыл бұрын
I am curious of the properties of the diamond shaped wing on the YF-23 Delta super sized or???
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
Lots of lifting area, lots of internal fuel, and space for dual actuators laid on their sides for each control surface.
@lordsqueak2 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 well, yes, that. But I was wondering more of the aerodynamics of it. The delta wing has some characteristics normal wings doesn't, so I wonder if this diamond shape might have an ace up its sleeve. ☺
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@@lordsqueak The thing about the diamond wings is that they have a pretty aggressive sweep angle without too much span, which helps keep drag down at low AOA for the high speed regime. For take-off, landing, and lower speed regime of flight, they have all kinds of lift. Paul Metz said it was a joy to fly. The YF-23s were a lot lighter than the YF-22s, with the same basic propulsion cores, so they had excellent acceleration. The YF-23 test pilots said the GE YF-120 equipped PAV2 was a different airplane compared to PAV1 with the Pratt motors.
@lordsqueak2 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 very interesting, Thank you.
@ADY-dl9jw2 жыл бұрын
Diamond wings are the best planform for stealth because they align the diffraction spikes of the right wing's leading edge with that of the left wing's trailing edge, and vice versa (leading edge of one is parallel to trailing edge of the other). They are one of the worst possible planforms from an aerodynamics standpoint, as they have an excessively low taper ratio coupled with zero sweep of the centerline. Using geometric and/or aerodynamic twist can mitigate some of this inherent deficiency to end up with a decent wing. For details on this, I refer you to "aircraft design a conceptual approach" by Raymer, section 8.4.
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
This is a very very well-made video, however "stealth kills aerodynamics" Isn't that a tad reductive, and over simplistic?? I watched the video until the end twice. It addresses internal weapons effect on RCS, but not the aerodynamic benefits. I hope you do that in the future to further separate your channel as superior from the others who do nothing, but brochure compare Let's Look at one of your examples the F22A Raptor which holds 18,000 lbs. of internal fuel and 8 missiles. F22 holding all that internally does Mach 2+, including super cruise at Mach 1.8, and can pull9+Gs. Is there another fighter out there stealth or not that can approach those kinematic numbers in full battle dress like an F22?? "Battle Dress"= fully fueled, armed and ready to fight. Not what they do at air shows. To be clear. I mean an apples to apples comparison. That means a fighter that is carrying 8 missiles and 9+ tons of fuel, that can super cruise at Mach 1.8., and hope to BFM the F22. Answer= None at the moment. Sure, a Flanker can hold more fuel and missiles according to the Sukhoi brochure. What is the kinematic cost of the Flanker hauling all those missiles and fuel? Why is this context always, and I do mean always flatly ignored? These is no evidence to suggest that a Flanker holding 10+ tons fuel, and 8+ missiles gets any where close to Mach 2. The Flanker's biggest and only advantage is its huge fuel tank. Fuel Fraction. F22 out classes it in every other meaningful way. The Eurofighter Typhoon is an aerodynamic monster, but with only 6 missiles of 4-BVR +2 WVR, is now a Mach 1.6 Fighter. (where have I seen the Mach # trashed before???) The Super Hornet with 2 Am Amraams + 2 Aim-9 has its Mach1.8 speed gutted to Mach 1.4 Armed F15C Tops out Mach 1.7-1.8. It absolutely can not and does not do Mach 2.5 armed. That's ridiculous. Even F15s with CFT can only do Mach 1.8, but that is with no weapons. A 3 bag F15E, can only do Mach 1.55. Tomcats with 4 Sparrows, Mach 1.7. That's it. F22s were running fown F15s flying away with Mach 1 of closure. All that is just kinematic performance when armed. Not mentioning stealth. All the F22 and F35 haters uniformly fail to address this in any meaningful way. It is very unfortunate.
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
The point of the title is that while aerodynamics was supposed to be the main factor defining the configuration and the mere shape of an aircraft, since the advent of stealth, this is no longer true.
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech are You saying they are mutually exclusive? You can’t have a stealthy and aerodynamically optimized fighter?
@Millennium7HistoryTech2 жыл бұрын
Not entirely, but the best aerodynamics, i.e. low drag/high lift/ maneuverable are Flanker/Gripen both not stealthy and with no hope of being.
@bjjace12 жыл бұрын
@@Millennium7HistoryTech I think I misunderstood the point of your video, because "best aerodynamics," is nebulous Do You mean "best aerodynamics" clean? "best aerodynamics," when loaded for battle? Even "loaded for battle" is a nebulous phrase, that could be broken down: " best aerodynamics" with an interceptor load out? "best aerodynamics," with air to ground? "best aerodynamics" for best fuel fraction. So, I guess the question is how You apply the "best aerodynamics" phrase???
@klytouch75152 жыл бұрын
Well I guess stealth technology is dead.. hmmm.
@chrisrosenkreuz232 жыл бұрын
I tried to talk as slow as you and failed
@peceed2 жыл бұрын
10% drag penalty for stealth is reasonable. But don't forget that YF-23 was much less draggy.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
I don't accept his premise about aerodynamics being compromised. The Su-35 should be able to at least match the F-22A in supercruise, but it can't. Why not? Now attach the stores for a combat configuration and all the arguments about aerodynamics favoring legacy designs disappear.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
YF-23 was most definitely area-ruled with the main compromises not related to stealth, but to the large engine cowlings originally designed to house thrust-reversers for the STOL capabilities that were dropped.
@peceed2 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 I have my doubts too. Mig-25/31 or Arrow doesn't look much different, "just a brick". And there is also the issue of inlet regulation. It is the drug and inefficiency of inlets above Mach2 that holds F-22 back.
@LRRPFco522 жыл бұрын
@@peceed The YF-22 had a higher leading edge sweep angle. F-22A saw a reduction in sweep angle, which I thought was interesting. They reduced the volume of the engine cowlings on the F-22A as well, since the STOL requirement was dropped with the space for thrust-reversers no longer necessary.
@peceed2 жыл бұрын
@@LRRPFco52 Lockeed used a lot of YF-23 ideas, I heard about low drag supersonic wing profile and much more curved surfaces.