Millionaire Dale Vince calls out rich fleeing the UK to avoid tax rises

[@Loneman_OG]

_"It's not a huge sum of money"_ - I guess he's not talking about the 4 million quid from that hedge fund with assets in the arms industry and private healthcare. You know, the one that they delayed taking payment of until the very last minute so that when they declared it, the public wouldn't see it until way after the election. 🤨 That "donation"? I dunno, maybe he was talking about the ones that most Labour Cabinet Members have received from various supporters of 1sr43li state, including the government itself, with David Lammy accepting over £170k already. Oh, and don't forget the all-expenses-paid trips to those sunny climes the MPs are almost duty-bound to accept. There are plenty more -bungs- donations made from more "private donors" now, as the funding from the grass-roots, the membership and the unions have plummeted since Corbyn was ousted. It almost makes you wonder who the Labour Party are there to represent because it sure seems to be a world away from who the party was set up to benefit. Yeah, a _"drama in a teacup (sic)"_ for sure. Hmm. 🤔

[@noramartin96]

100%

[@GG-hu9dn]

Do shut up!

[@Loneman_OG]

@@GG-hu9dn Why, don't you like me stating facts, you Starmeroid?

[@Loneman_OG]

@@GG-hu9dn Why, don't you like me stating facts, are you a Starmeroid or simply blind?

[@MartinCarty]

The super rich should remember that it's hard to take assets such as houses abroad.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Elon musk will struggle to get one of his houses onto his getaway spaceship.someone should tell him,and maybe he'll put more effort into saving the planet.

[@allykhan8594]

Lol you sell them!!! And devalue more your devalued Sterling.

[@BadgerUKvideo]

@@allykhan8594 We can only hope. Trying to compete with the rest of the world with such a highly valued currency is horrific.

[@allykhan8594]

@@BadgerUKvideo in 2007 the £ was worth $1.95

[@justinstephenson9360]

The super rich rarely own much property, as a percentage of their total wealth, most of the wealth is in shares in companies they or their family set up. There will be exceptions, mostly those from old family money, they rarely leave

[@petersimms4982]

Dale is real! He understands money isn’t everything! He’s got it and gets pleasure from using it for anything in the interest of others 😊😊😊WE NEED THESE HEROES 🦸‍♀️ ❤❤

[@51gan788]

This shouldnt matter if we tax their assets in the country

[@PJH13]

We already do, it's corporation tax. This issue has more to do with the effect of moving decision makers elsewhere and the work that they produce for our various service industries (lawyers, finance, leisure etc.)

[@51gan788]

@@PJH13 I didn't say we didn't?

[@PJH13]

@@51gan788 You said it shouldn't matter, I was pointing out why it still did

[@EarlHare]

and tax even more-so if their own country residence is not the UK. The UK public has been gas-lit for so long by politicians who try to make out that this is more complicated than it it really is when the truth is that it is only complicated because of the special interests that they are trying to protect at the expense of the British public.

[@51gan788]

@@PJH13 okay sorry, explain to me why it matters that decision makers are elsewhere?

[@godot-whatyouvebeenwaitingfor]

I would LOVE to earn of make a million pounds a year and be taxed at fifty percent. I would have ten grand a week (thar I couldn't spend, it's so much) and I would shout from the rooftops how i gave half a million pounds to NHS, schools, care homes, child poverty, etc. And how proud to be doing it again next year and the year after..

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

You will never be a multi millionaire you are not greedy enough.greed is the biggest problem that the world has because almost all of its problem stem from that.lm not having ago at all millionaires because I'm sure that that a decent proportion are decent people.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

That’s 50% after the first 125k

[@EarlHare]

@@SimplySketchyGT i dont think you understand how a million pounds A YEAR works.

[@PJH13]

Cool, and if you win the lottery that makes perfect sense. If you've built your whole career around making money though, and you've spent decades missing the good life in order to get rich, you'll be less pumped. You might decide to retire and enjoy a more chilled life somewhere sunny

[@JamesT65]

50% is just the start, vat, council tax, road excise, toll tax, property tax, company tax, payroll tax, profits tax, wealth earnings tax. You may get to keep 85% if your lucky.

[@kokunaijin]

As a fellow Dale, I fully support Dale's comments and feel there should be more Dales out there leading the charge. We've been silent too long.

[@lonevoice]

Quite agree. If people are so selfish that they see themselves in isolation from the community and want to turn their back on the UK then they should go and take any political rhetoric that they may have with them.

[@ronniemac2636]

That the Yorkshire Dale's you speak of? This Dale is a piece of work who sponsored JSO. Si, feck him.

[@DeWo-m6q]

@@ronniemac2636 why?

[@bendaniel2271]

Brave going up against Big Farmer. Glad someone is pointing out the damage they do.

[@johnwilliams7653]

So you want even higher food prices?

[@bendaniel2271]

@@johnwilliams7653 the farmers won't end up paying. There will be a stewardship grant, from the government, to cover the costs for farmers to buy equipment to handle waste. That money will be ploughed back into British manufacturing and retail sectors and this is what happens. That money would have come from Europe if we were still part of it. But because Brexit means Brexit our government has to keep the farmers happy. The farmers won't suffer so don't worry.

[@PorthLlwyd]

​@@johnwilliams7653 plants don't generate harmful sewage, so my food bills won't go up.

[@thomasmanning477]

​@johnwilliams7653 No, we want people to start taking accountability for their food choices.. eat less animals so we don't need factory farming. Better still; stop eating animals and their secretions all together, and we won't need any animal farms!

[@tonywright497]

Just stop eating animals, it's that simple

[@jduthie5074]

It is a matter of principle. Being a Green energy man he will no doubt be receiving tax layer funded subsidised rates for his energy.

[@jimmeltonbradley1497]

My wife and I have lost our winter fuel payment. Am I angry? No. Our combined pensions, though not fantastic, are sufficient for us to survive without it. I would rather the money goes to those who really need it. As for those rich people who are complaining about paying their fair share of tax, I'm happy to help them make arrangements to move abroad.

[@BENTWOONEZERO]

In 1980 the richest 1% payed 8% of all income tax in the UK, now they pay 28% . Thoughts ?

[@TomRipley7350]

“Those who really need it”? Like migrants turning up on the beach and being given luxury flats, heating, healthcare, money to spend. Those people? People who have worked hard to achieve what they have in life do not deserve to have their money redistributed to people who have not contributed. Socialism is a race to the bottom. Good luck to those people protecting their hard earned assets.

[@mrwidestrides4802]

In 1980, the richest 1% of UK earners paid around 11% of the total income tax. This is significantly lower than the approximately 28% they contribute today. Over the decades, the tax burden on the top 1% has increased as income inequality grew and tax policies were adjusted. During that time, the tax system was less progressive compared to recent years, and the share of income tax paid by the wealthiest was a smaller proportion of the total.

[@mrwidestrides4802]

In 1980, the overall tax system was less progressive than today. While the richest 1% contributed significantly to income tax (about 11%), their share of other taxes like National Insurance, VAT, and Capital Gains Tax was lower, particularly because of favorable tax rates and loopholes.

[@lat1419]

​@@BENTWOONEZERO tax has increased on everyone. There are far more rich now, too.

[@susieb1211]

I agree with Vince totally re the need to end factory farming.

[@DougRutter]

Vote looney labour if your clueless, heartless or just a mess

[@partyringsparty]

@@DougRutter 'You're', not 'your'

[@barryc1968]

Yes so only the rich can afford it

[@96BxelA]

@@partyringsparty I’m sure he really cares about your petty grammar correction. So that was the sum total of YOUR contribution to the thread..? What a ****

[@krob2327]

Well I hope teachers lie food banks as the price will sky rocket

[@l33jcm]

He's a good guy!

[@keithhooper6123]

He's a grifter

[@GlynnHughes-xi4po]

Listening to this fella’s comments was an eye opener and refreshing. Thank you .

[@randomdaveUK]

I've been saying this since I was young. Call their bluff, say fine leave then.. I bet less than 10% leave and those that do will be replaced by new businesses

[@AmberJays]

Most had already left. We had the second highest exodus of millionaires, only trailing behind China, in absolute terms. Considering that our population is 70 million while China is well over 1 billion, when you recount it according to population proportion, that's when it really shows how bad the exodus has been in the UK compared to every other country in the world. Have fun with austerity. lol

[@randomdaveUK]

@@AmberJays that might be because a large number had links to the financial sector which brexit ruined in a large part by separating it from the EU. Business people still fill the void if a millionaire leaves because he doesn't want to pay tax. They're not contributing in the first place so leaving does nothing but open up a gap in the market to be filled by someone willing to pay the taxes

[@islandsedition]

Bit of a weak statement about those leaving to avoid tax. Should go further and say if you want to own property or a business in the UK, irrespective of whether you live there, you need to pay some sort of income tax if you are the beneficial owner.

[@kmrk4055]

It's not the principal of tax it's the rate of tax that is the issue. One persons idea of 'fair' is another persons idea of high. Anyway what a surprise to see the wealthy owner of green energy generating company talking about green energy.

[@MRW515]

You pay tax on profit, if the property is not making profit they won't pay tax

[@islandsedition]

@@kmrk4055 I get what you mean, and without getting into the weeds as I don't have sufficient data with me now, the reason I say "some sort of tax" is because if you live abroad and are I entitled to certain benefits as a non dom, such as healthcare, then that principle should also prevent a property owner from negatively impacting the UK economy either through sitting on a property as an asset, or as a landlord or as a business owner. Basically, you should not be able to extract any wealth without tax because that wealth extraction impacts the country. Yes, there's is a discussion to be had about the rate, and that should be against the benefit they derived and any impact they have. Currently, those people he's saying can leave, will retain those assets in the UK from which they can extract wealth, only now they won't be subject to UK tax and likely will pay less tax in a haven. Some will even just move their tax liability abroad and remain in the UK, paying a foreign tax and enjoying most of the benefits of wing in the UK, including using the NHS because they never ask your residential status if they hear a UK accent, see a UK NI number or perhaps ask to see a UK passport.

[@stephenjon3502]

Could do what the Spanish do if you move in the same tax year and charge CGT on ANY property sold to move here. Obviously if someone is rich enough they will not need to sell but it may stop some people moving money about to get out of paying anything.

[@islandsedition]

@@stephenjon3502 tbh I think a better solution would be a cap on annual income and a separate cap on overall wealth. Probably around the 1m and 2m respectively (at current rates). This would be applied to anyone property held in the UK and probably best to apply to all income irrespective of where earned.

[@jazmo6662]

USA Citizens have to pay tax no matter where they live. Perhaps the UK should adopt this approach?

[@paulwilson7234]

That'll be the day.

[@Barnacl3_Boi]

The point about factory farming causing river pollution was very interesting

[@gordonstrong5232]

It's true, one example is the damage chicken farms have done to the river Wye, it's awful.

[@labor4]

swiss view. we destroyed some of our lakes with fertilizer to the point we had to revive them with oxygen. it took years.

[@stephenpilling79]

Well said Dale! Jog on if you don’t want to be here!

[@gazzaman28]

We all need to eat less meat. I couldn't become a vegan, or even just a vegetarian, but if we only ate meat for 2 days each week then that would make a huge difference. Quite how you can make this happen without bumping up the cost of meat (like how sugar tax & minimum alcohol pricing in Scotland works) I don't know, but something is needed.

[@nigelwalsh804]

Obliging rented property to be insulated seems to me about the only positive practical policy I have heard so far.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Will make a change from the tories being insulated from paying taxes.

[@chome4]

In the States, excess waste from pig farms is sprayed as a fine mist in the direction of poor neighbourhoods.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

Not quite correct. Excess pig waste is s prayed into the air to dispose of it. So not true to say specific communities are "targeted"

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Simonsimon-fy3hq- nobody said "targeted", smartypants

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

@@danielcrafter9349 What part of "in the direction of" don't you understand?

[@aleph8888]

Some people will believe almost anything about the US. But what is asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[@darrylsugg7230]

​@@Simonsimon-fy3hq"in the direction of" means, towards, not "targeted". The wind blows in a direction, wouldn't call that targeted. Perhaps it's you that should use a dictionary?

[@steverichmond7142]

I am an admirer of Dale Vince. He makes sense on everything.

[@Pobotrol]

He's a good spokesman for Labour.

[@steverichmond7142]

@@Pobotrol He's an even better advocate for the green transition and the end of oil.

[@96BxelA]

@@steverichmond7142 That makes two of you then, You and that tw*t Dale.

[@Pobotrol]

@@steverichmond7142 yes. Good to have someone like that in government.

[@JohnsonMelcon]

Glory!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $330,000.00 every month God has kept to his words, my family is happy again everything is finally falling into place. God bless America 🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@HelenEverest]

Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.

[@MrJohnson-y5n]

I'm inspired. Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned

[@JohnsonMelcon]

I raised 75k and Kate Elizabeth Becherer is to be thanked. I got myself my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her.Kate Elizabeth Becherer is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!

[@ClintDavies-k5p]

This is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. 🙏 I received this for my household

[@StanfordMcDonalds]

Wow 😱 I know her too Miss Kate Elizabeth Becherer is a remarkable individual who has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.

[@Polite_Indifference]

Seems like a sensible, decent chap.

[@TheLukob]

This is the same guy going on TV last year defending just stop oils methods. Now they've been crippled by harsh jail sentences and anti protest laws he has jumped ship to the more moderate (Tory leaning) Labour

[@wildfiresoup]

@@TheLukob Yes, and that is what intelligent people do, they look at their values and their opinions and they change them as the facts change.

[@JokeShinet]

Why do you think that???

[@TheLukob]

@@wildfiresoup nope, this guy saw it was a bad investment and moved his money. Rich people will just jump to the next investment

[@wildfiresoup]

@@TheLukob Rich and smart are not mutually exclusive though are they?

[@GWJUK]

Vince - follow his money trail…he’s as rotten as the rest of them

[@nicksimmons7234]

Corbyn fan club speaks.

[@GWJUK]

@@nicksimmons7234what the fook are you talking about??

[@Jason-gd4qr]

Be very careful he will have you all locked down and controlled in a digital prison for his own profit and ego. He is high sparrow

[@barbararichards7202]

I lived with Dale for a year. He helped me leave an abusive situation. I am shocked to see how greedy he has become, money has changed him. He has lost his moral compass.

[@muminekkasia]

I remember paying 65% of the income tax in the Netherlands on incomes above 50,000 Euros, and my income was between 100,000 and 120.000 Euros a year. I thought it was normal. We have to support each other and share our wealth. You must do it if you want equality, peace and contentment in your society. You have to accept that there will always be people with drugs-, alcohol, and mental problems, and to avoid crimes, you have to support them. Nobody needs an excessive amount of money. It is sick. Most of the time, a good job, an excellent salary, and a good education have nothing to do with hard work, just luck and being born into a well-off family.

[@andrewf4797]

totally agree with him

[@ZakBanbury]

Bit weird to tell Ava that Dale's giving a talk later called "The cow in the room" given that Ava is also in that talk xD. On that though, is JOE uploading that talk? I can't find it online anywhere.

[@amandahunter4034]

Wealthy people should be allowed to leave the UK, if they want to, but should only be allowed to take a restricted amount of money out of the UK eg £50,000. Other countries to this.

[@Heinz3493]

Go on then, name those countries. I'll wait.

[@user-pp9yk3tu4z]

No one would invest in the uk if this was the case

[@chantellelowe2168]

Dictatorship or what... its their money you communist

[@kuukeli]

thank you for posting

[@StuartMiles74]

End factory farming exactly.

[@kevingrant7098]

Dale Vince is great no nonsense down to Earth full respect didn’t realise farming polluted the rivers more than water companies I learnt something here thanks Dale

[@tommoric376]

He's a grifter..

[@sockwithaticket]

I wasn't sure it was worse than sewage discharges by water companies, but effluence from intensive farming has been ruinous for river health in Ireland, so it's definitely a known problem.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

​@@tommoric376I think he's a goodun' but he does make the odd tactical statement in order to ingratiate himself with the Starmer Party. I assume that's to do with his interest in being involved with GB Energy. I'm a happy Ecotricity customer but I still acknowledge that Mr. Vince is a capitalist and a business person. As such he says and does what is in his business interests. But I still like him because I think he puts environmental concerns first.

[@b62boom1]

There's the waste from over 20 million chickens currently being released into the river Wye. Water is taken from the river further downstream to water crops. We are literally eating sh*t.

[@NoelKearns-ln7tj]

Last time I checked farmers were not making billions from pollution? At the cost of the tax payer?

[@urmaisgay6495]

important distinction to make; farmers and factory farms are two completely different entities. its like grouping grouping market stall holders in with supermarkets.

[@kevinduffin4665]

A millionaire who speaks well with an honest view and a fair one as well good on yourself Vince Dale

[@grantevans3389]

He's a cool dude who makes sense and speaks without bs

[@robertmccann9631]

Dale is the clearest communicator I have seen.

[@barryc1968]

Total nonsense he is just not honest

[@robertmccann9631]

@@barryc1968 how so?

[@robinroberts2568]

​@@barryc1968go on, give us one thing he said that he's being dishonest about.

[@shoelessjoe428]

He's spot on. We should stop worrying about the minority of rich tax dodgers who want to leave the UK. Who cares. If the boss of Tescos leaves, Sainsbury's will expand. If the boss of Sainsbury's leaves, Aldi will expand. Growth is driven by demand. Not a hand full of tax dodgers who are experts at extracting wealth from the economy. Most will never leave.

[@MalavitaOfBB]

The expression fair share drives me crazy...what does that mean...how about we all pay the same amount...is that fair? How's about we all pay the same percentage...is that fair? How about if you're a single parent, should you pay the same?....the tax system in the UK is broken, too complicated, too many loopholes, make it simple with clear percentages for everyone to pay and no loopholes.

[@partyringsparty]

Pay based on how much you get out of the country - if you're rich and have a business chances are you've probably made a lot of money out of poor people.

[@MalavitaOfBB]

@@partyringsparty why should you pay more if you earn more? how about we pay tax on lifetime earnings so older people pay more and younger people pay less...I feel that's fair...you had one good year of working overtime and the government takes 50% of your pay.

[@robinroberts2568]

​@@MalavitaOfBByou're right to be pissed off for giving up so much of your wage to taxes, but you're directing your anger in the wrong place. The real crooks are the people who don't earn a wage, whose wealth is based on owned land and property, inheritance and stock. If they pay any tax, it's a pittance by comparison to top PAYE earners as a percentage of income. The tax system in the UK is rigged in favour of wealthy land owners and the already rich.

[@partyringsparty]

@@MalavitaOfBB That's how tax works already, you pay income tax every month you're alive and working.

[@MadnessQuotient]

EXIT TAX NOW

[@allykhan8594]

Lol you must have stable household. Exut tax, then they won't invest here. The country is basta## case and 1 thing to point out £1,000,000,000 /day welfare.

[@blazzz13]

@@allykhan8594 claptrap. Strange how in high tax countries like Spain and France, these 'investors' are still there. Empty threats

[@Heinz3493]

A punishment tax for leaving? You'd have fitted in well in 1930's Germany who had precisely such a tax - Reichsfluchtsteuer. Is that your closet National Socialist coming out?

[@davideyres955]

@@blazzz13that’s why the high end shops in London are closing. Thats why the consultancies are booming. Shure they arnt leaving?

[@thomasmanning477]

I hope they do leave.. all they do is hoover what little stuff us regular folk have left, and rent it back to us. This isn't investing, it's racketeering.

[@Stuboy]

After paying the right amount of tax they'd still be millionaires or evrn multi millionaires and even billionaires how much money or greed can you get

[@johnwilliams7653]

Human capacity for depravity is infinite while life persists. The poor are always with us - the rich insist on their availability for continued exploitation.

[@Crypto-Jas]

The thought of leaving this country through much higher taxation is just part of the equation, along with run down high streets, illegal boats, culture changes, astonishing high prices whether property or groceries and definitely energy , the weather and just really a rubbish quality of life. Let’s face it if you are a high earner then you could say that you have had a contribution to society in some way. The decision has been made for you, go and enjoy another country, and improve the quality of life you have now ……. This country don’t care about you but just your money and take take take that of which you have earned over many years of hard work.

[@jjsmallpiece9234]

If the rich don't want to pay then we don't need them in the country.

[@anthonydebski5814]

VINCE!!....GO GUY!! Always worth listening....STAY TRUE!!!

[@DougRutter]

@@anthonydebski5814 pratt

[@everglades_n_co.]

no one refute there should be tax as income comes. the real question is what gov't uses that tax for.

[@damranga7799]

Only on my radar since he ran against greens in their strongest seats in last election. Seems like a snake in the grass to me after looking into him

[@krob2327]

He’s a weird weird guy

[@johnwilliams7653]

All snakes are carnivores.

[@justinstephenson9360]

On his comments about the proposal that all rented property by EPC C grade or better, it is a great policy but with a couple of huge flaws: 1. EPC methodology is hopeless, everyone who studies it agrees with that so it needs to be replaced otherwise we will end up with "upgrades" to rental properties that really do not achieve much 2. A maximum spend of £10k - in my experience of dealing with properties built in the 1950s or earlier, that is usually not enough even in the north of England. But the bigger problem, is that in many properties based on Government's own analysis the work might save tenant £200 per year in heating costs but the landlord would probably need to increase the rent by £75-90 per month (depends on what rate of return landlord is looking at and how much of the rent is taken in agent fees), so the economics simply do not work unless there is some government scheme to reduce the cost

[@petersimms4982]

😊😊his WINDTURBINES are splendid 😊😊😊

[@GillJobe]

Well said .

[@jonhenson1991]

What magical place will they move to? ... It's tory media project fear.

[@chrisbacon84]

Dubai, Singapore, USA, a number of places offer a better standard of living.

[@emilydavison2053]

There are plans for advanced countries to band together with a standard high rate of tax on the rich. Strangely, wealthy people want to live in a stable country with freedoms. That means countries with decent public services.

[@emilydavison2053]

@@chrisbacon84 you reckon? Dubai looks like a s**thole to me. A shopping centre in a desert. No nature and trees, too damn hot, ugly buildings, watch out if you're gay or take drugs.

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@chrisbacon84 You go live in trump-land & enjoy it then.

[@richardbleasdale2113]

I like Dale Vince - but how can he say it makes sense to remove winter fuel payments from pensioners but that 'people who live in damp cold homes get ill, in the extreme cases they die'.

[@AmberJays]

Because it serves a benefit for him to do so. His business is in the green energy market, and there's nothing better than chaos to push the public into convincing a government to spend rabid amounts of money on projects it cannot afford just to win some votes. In the end, that money will be going towards his company, and by extension his back pocket.

[@danielhaines7366]

I’ve got a Simple idea,why don’t we just let Dale run the country?

[@barbararichards7202]

Having lived with the guy for a year I don't think that would be a great idea. He actually wrecked the farmhouse we shared in the 80s, ripped up the stairs to burn the wood because he ran out of money for fuel...He had no sense of housekeeping or priorities, everything was decided on the hoof. We need someone straight and steady as PM...Corbyn had a wonderful manifesto. Pity Dale is backing the people who backstabbed the best PM we were never allowed to have

[@sleepingbear1889]

Don’t agree all the time with Dale but does talk sense.

[@advocate1563]

Why shouldn't they leave? If they have better options, then they shpuld take them and move their assets as well. Rational choices are good ones generally.

[@lucypeace6132]

People and companies shouldn't be allowed to profit from our country if they're not paying taxes in our country. You are privilaged to access the british public in whatever you are manufacturing, selling, service you're providing. Now you get to pay taxes to help the country you are privilaged to access.

[@headgirlblues]

O lordy! Yes - some Pensioners are very well off and some children are very poor. However, some children are very well off and some pensioners are very poor. No child should go hungry and no pensioner cold. Similarly, factory farming pollution does not take away the impact of water companies' pollution. Please stop using simplistic arguments to pit one group against another. Governments are supposed to address all issues and donors - if they are truly for the country - shouldn't be cherry-picking, either.

[@johnwilliams7653]

No farmers = no food. No politicians = no problems... when did you ever see any politician actually make any problem less?

[@janetmalcolm6191]

I agree. One problem is that people on low incomes can't afford anywhere or anything now. A fulltime job doesn't cover bills like before yet people still need people doing those jobs. Something needs to happen. Certainly low cost basic housing for people. People need to think out of the box 100%.

[@user-pp9yk3tu4z]

Yes but a far larger proportion of the pension population are better off than the portion of well of younger people. Why don’t all people get a winter fuel allowance?

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@user-pp9yk3tu4z Because politicians regard people as livestock to be exploited then discarded if no longer able to contribute money & power (money & power being interchangeable rather like Mass & Energy in the physical world). Culling pensioners who may not support the grift makes sound sense to any politician devoid of humanity, as does aborting the unborn if they are likely to be unable to contribute in the short term or might make the mother less economically exploitable. Only those likely to support the grift should be allowed to be carried to term, then schooled (not educated) to perpetuate the capitalist 'machine'. The answer to your question summarises to BECAUSE POLITICIANS CARE ABOUT ACQUIRING & KEEPING POWER, NEVER ABOUT PEOPLE.

[@headgirlblues]

@@user-pp9yk3tu4z We should all be well off enough not to even need a Winter Fuel Allowance. Why do we look at another group and feel that "they have it good" (when many of them don't)? We keep falling for this game, one group looking sideways at another, whilst politicians have theirs paid all year round, by us?

[@M_Bamboozled]

I thought they all claimed to live abroad already.

[@jamespires3383]

Kid's with rotten teeth in their mouths half starved 🥊

[@aleph8888]

Too much sugar

[@paulwilson7234]

​@aleph8888 or maybe a NHS dentist is on the endangered list.

[@user-pp9yk3tu4z]

@@paulwilson7234perhaps but also too much sugar and bad parenting

[@huyhritter1724]

I'm overjoyed and grateful to see God's blessings manifest in my family's life. We're happy once again, and I can now provide for my loved ones even in retirement, thanks to a remarkable weekly income of $67,000. It's a game-changer after facing many challenges.

[@KuramaUchiha-id1ow]

Massive! Been trying to trade on my own for a while now, but it isn't going well. few months ago I lost about $8,500 in the trade. Can you please at least advise me on what to do?

[@huyhritter1724]

@@KuramaUchiha-id1owMaria Angelina Alexander I really appreciate her efforts and transparency.

[@huyhritter1724]

Giving her my initial savings of $12,000 to invest in a brokerage account was a turning point in my life. It's been an incredibly rewarding experience and the best decision I ever made!

[@amalmberg13]

This is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. I receive this for my household.🙏

[@Divocklindsay]

YES!!! That's exactly her name (Maria Angelina Alexander) so many people have recommended highly about her and am just starting with her from Brisbane Australia.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Farming Argument might be valid with the big companies but not small farmers. Importing meat is the biggest issue. We have cows who naturally mow the field instead of using petrol mowers. Those cows can then produce meat. There are sections of some fields where you need cows to eat the field contents because a mower isn't viable or doesn't do the job well.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

He said industrial farming

[@andrewdixon2730]

You never need cows to mow the fields! The best thing about reducing meat consumption is that it frees up land to be rewilded: absorbing carbon, improving biodiversity, and increasing soil health to name but a few of the myriad of benefits!

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@andrewdixon2730 Going back to being hunter-gatherers in a rewilded land is cloud-cuckoo. The majority would starve, not just Starmer’s target groups, children of the poor & all the elderly. Civilisation depends on agriculture & pastoralism. Britain could support no more than a few hundred thousand people if that many. Importing food is exporting our greed, our problem. You starve if you want to… I’m going to get breakfast.

[@shayed9930]

Why should people pay tax and have a shit nhs and shit infrastructure. Uk has no hope.

[@poplarboydavid]

😂😂😂 course it’s a story of gross hypocrisy and opportunism!!!

[@Gazdavies48]

Majority of uk agriculture is not factory farming, poorly informed there

[@intothemultiverse1033]

Was waiting for Dale to get the veganism cult into the conversation. Just surprised it took more than 3 minutes.

[@jenniferbarry5887]

This man will spend more on after shave that most of us can spend on food.

[@JMD-er5jq]

how many have actually left?

[@bernieklfc1]

Why do these people play old against young, it should be about protecting all in need.

[@TimComley]

Drama in a tea cup, dream on they are at it!

[@George57]

What an honourable man. He is the kind of wealthy man that no one could criticise. The rest of the greedy rich can leave we really won’t miss them

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

Which speaks to international agreements needed, to manage the richest hoarding the wealth they accumulate, from the infrastructure built from the taxes everyone else pays.

[@abhi739]

maybe if all the donations to palestine and ukraine gets taxed, further taxes dont have to increase

[@nolslifegren]

Is richman Dale going to pay his taxes ?

[@alexgarland2747]

Brilliant idea let's get them to leave so the middle class can make up the numbers 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@cianog]

U.K is such a dump. People who want to better themselves are leaving and I don’t blame them.

[@davidlawton7845]

Starmer , Reeves and Raynor are professional grifters.

[@partyringsparty]

Who did you vote for?

[@PorthLlwyd]

Dale Vince can always be trusted to talk sense

[@DougRutter]

@@PorthLlwyd pratt

[@wonderman1918]

Bring back allotments, why can’t we from tomato and chickens in out commons

[@Gwalion]

"we've had"? Bollacks.

[@terryloftus8626]

Great guy Dale.

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Pay your Taxes Vince you hypocrite.

[@matty7758]

I like this guy even though I'm not too fond of labour

[@MRW515]

Dale should leave his company sucks up £millions of taxpayers money in subsidies

[@jamespires3383]

All the houses look shit because they were designed by bronski, its an empty vessel this place.

[@nolslifegren]

Dale the grifter hobnobbing with Labour in the hope of his energy company being given even more taxpayers money .

[@Ellz66]

My kinda millionaire.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

The same Vince who's company (of which he is the sole shareholder) receives some £9m per annum in Government subsidies? Should be careful about biting the hand that feeds...

[@samreilly1333]

Ecotricity is not for profit. So those subsidies are just being invested in green projects.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

@@samreilly1333 I suggest you look into how the business is run You may be in for a surprise - assuming you can understand basic finances.

[@samreilly1333]

@@Simonsimon-fy3hq do you have a link to this information?

[@partyringsparty]

So you can't criticise the government if they're giving you something?

[@TheVRSofa]

true titles would be nice try "world ignoring millions of people die, turns into war?" would be accurate. how many views did you get from just the war videos where you have an expert explain how people keep dying ona screen every day for updates. hows thos views and ad revenue doing ya? and thes rest of the world media? more imporant than facts and lives still i see

[@northleedspoppa]

Ava really doesn't like any non right wing view, does she

[@steves7013]

Vincent seems a sound guy 🙏✊️✊️

[@PatrickEdwardsEdwards-p6j]

SHUT UP DALE ( RICH LEFTY)

[@Alanturner-c5x]

You're the loudmouth resorting to capitals 😂😂😂 ( little hitler )

[@allykhan8594]

Loads leaving even non millionaires. You got fools with certificates with no experience running a £2T economy.

[@garyb455]

The poor will pay higher taxes to fill the gap

[@tonybrett5209]

The triple lock has moved pensioners into the tax bracket due to the freeze on taxable earnings.

[@phil2544]

Freeze on taxable earnings affects everyone. I wish my pay had a triple lock.

[@faves2064]

That's how the taxman works, give with one hand and take with the other. Fingers crossed that's sorted in the budget 🤞

[@faves2064]

@@phil2544 beautifully put 👏

[@drunkengamer1977]

Chin up they'll get a £400 raise this year for doing sweet FA wish I had a triple lock on my wages

[@jonbob2]

@@drunkengamer1977In fairness to pensioners they can’t go on strike or move to a better paying job the way working age people can.

[@susieb1211]

We need a balance of those in poverty?! I think Vince is misunderstanding the effect of means testing the WFA. And any pittance saved won’t go to kids in poverty 🤷‍♀️

[@khiburgess5848]

He's such a prat

[@esm7708]

I feel for farmers. They've been shafted over Brexit and terrible deals. They get vilified for using fertiliser but when they use animal waste they get criticised for causing run off.

[@johnwilliams7653]

No farmers, no food: simples. Relying on imports is folly. Vlad-the-sadly-mad has only got to use a few submarines & we starve (along with the children & the pensioners). Blue birds over the White Cliffs of Dover? Cloud cuckoo more like.

[@AA-ht8pn]

They can always get a different job

[@esm7708]

@@AA-ht8pn and then you can complain that food is expensive. Thanks for contribution.

[@AA-ht8pn]

@@esm7708 plant based food will be cheaper if we move the subsidies from animal products to plant based products, and if we stop feeding so many crops to farm animals when people move to plant based. I’ve gone vegan after dale told me about the horrific pollution animal farming is responsible for.

[@esm7708]

@@AA-ht8pn how will that help if they've got a different job? Dale should stick to cocking up EV charging networks and then selling his crap infrastructure for millions.

[@Grim_enigma]

in the grand scheme of bribery, this example of bribery is ok because its normal bribery

[@shayed9930]

Farmers are the backbone of a country. Stop the bs.

[@davy2365]

oh £400 a year that's £8 a week so at current pricing pensioners can get a packet of crisps and a bottle of beer thanks rich man.

[@partyringsparty]

Or four months heating for winter

[@mustrumridcully3853]

Except we dont have anywhere near as many pensioners now, and even fewer who are poor - that's just numbers. So why should ALL pensioners get the money? Why shouldnt it be means tested?

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@mustrumridcully3853 Because 'means tested' means many of the nearly destitute are left to become the next cohort of victims to be exploited by the wealthy. To pay all, then tax back from the rich would be fairer. As it is the rich have not only the most money but also the most ability to avoid carrying any share of taxation. We need Robin Hood, not robbing hoods in government.

[@danh9922]

A lot of the sustainable/ thought to be eco friendly farming such as free range and organic animal farming. Cause more run off into the river due to longer time need to raise and the economy of scale needed to make it profitable. George Monbiot has previously talked about this and mentioned that these are more welfare issue than environmental ones.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

I ate a cheese salad for my lunch

[@davidvestey6014]

Hear hear