Millionaire Dale Vince calls out rich fleeing the UK to avoid tax rises

Labour donor Dale Vince speaks to Ava Santina about Keir Starmer's donations, the winter fuel payment, farming, and millionaires fleeing the UK.
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[@MartinCarty]

The super rich should remember that it's hard to take assets such as houses abroad.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Elon musk will struggle to get one of his houses onto his getaway spaceship.someone should tell him,and maybe he'll put more effort into saving the planet.

[@allykhan8594]

Lol you sell them!!! And devalue more your devalued Sterling.

[@BadgerUKvideo]

@@allykhan8594 We can only hope. Trying to compete with the rest of the world with such a highly valued currency is horrific.

[@allykhan8594]

@@BadgerUKvideo in 2007 the £ was worth $1.95

[@justinstephenson9360]

The super rich rarely own much property, as a percentage of their total wealth, most of the wealth is in shares in companies they or their family set up. There will be exceptions, mostly those from old family money, they rarely leave

[@susieb1211]

I agree with Vince totally re the need to end factory farming.

[@DougRutter]

Vote looney labour if your clueless, heartless or just a mess

[@partyringsparty]

@@DougRutter 'You're', not 'your'

[@barryc1968]

Yes so only the rich can afford it

[@Barnacl3_Boi]

The point about factory farming causing river pollution was very interesting

[@gordonstrong5232]

It's true, one example is the damage chicken farms have done to the river Wye, it's awful.

[@labor4]

swiss view. we destroyed some of our lakes with fertilizer to the point we had to revive them with oxygen. it took years.

[@bendaniel2271]

Brave going up against Big Farmer. Glad someone is pointing out the damage they do.

[@johnwilliams7653]

So you want even higher food prices?

[@51gan788]

This shouldnt matter if we tax their assets in the country

[@PJH13]

We already do, it's corporation tax. This issue has more to do with the effect of moving decision makers elsewhere and the work that they produce for our various service industries (lawyers, finance, leisure etc.)

[@51gan788]

@@PJH13 I didn't say we didn't?

[@PJH13]

@@51gan788 You said it shouldn't matter, I was pointing out why it still did

[@EarlHare]

and tax even more-so if their own country residence is not the UK. The UK public has been gas-lit for so long by politicians who try to make out that this is more complicated than it it really is when the truth is that it is only complicated because of the special interests that they are trying to protect at the expense of the British public.

[@51gan788]

@@PJH13 okay sorry, explain to me why it matters that decision makers are elsewhere?

[@chome4]

In the States, excess waste from pig farms is sprayed as a fine mist in the direction of poor neighbourhoods.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

Not quite correct. Excess pig waste is s prayed into the air to dispose of it. So not true to say specific communities are "targeted"

[@danielcrafter9349]

​@@Simonsimon-fy3hq- nobody said "targeted", smartypants

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

@@danielcrafter9349 What part of "in the direction of" don't you understand?

[@aleph8888]

Some people will believe almost anything about the US. But what is asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[@darrylsugg7230]

​@@Simonsimon-fy3hq"in the direction of" means, towards, not "targeted". The wind blows in a direction, wouldn't call that targeted. Perhaps it's you that should use a dictionary?

[@MadnessQuotient]

EXIT TAX NOW

[@allykhan8594]

Lol you must have stable household. Exut tax, then they won't invest here. The country is basta## case and 1 thing to point out £1,000,000,000 /day welfare.

[@blazzz13]

@@allykhan8594 claptrap. Strange how in high tax countries like Spain and France, these 'investors' are still tere. Empty threats

[@islandsedition]

Bit of a weak statement about those leaving to avoid tax. Should go further and say if you want to own property or a business in the UK, irrespective of whether you live there, you need to pay some sort of income tax if you are the beneficial owner.

[@godot-whatyouvebeenwaitingfor]

I would LOVE to earn of make a million pounds a year and be taxed at fifty percent. I would have ten grand a week (thar I couldn't spend, it's so much) and I would shout from the rooftops how i gave half a million pounds to NHS, schools, care homes, child poverty, etc. And how proud to be doing it again next year and the year after..

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

You will never be a multi millionaire you are not greedy enough.greed is the biggest problem that the world has because almost all of its problem stem from that.lm not having ago at all millionaires because I'm sure that that a decent proportion are decent people.

[@SimplySketchyGT]

That’s 50% after the first 125k

[@EarlHare]

@@SimplySketchyGT i dont think you understand how a million pounds A YEAR works.

[@PJH13]

Cool, and if you win the lottery that makes perfect sense. If you've built your whole career around making money though, and you've spent decades missing the good life in order to get rich, you'll be less pumped. You might decide to retire and enjoy a more chilled life somewhere sunny

[@JamesT65]

50% is just the start, vat, council tax, road excise, toll tax, property tax, company tax, payroll tax, profits tax, wealth earnings tax. You may get to keep 85% if your lucky.

[@barryc1968]

So he is not against freebies because he donates to the Labour Party including my MP who voted to end WFA. How my MP will defend constituents from this man who owns Ecotricity who don’t always respect their customers according to the reviews is beyond reason. The owner of an electricity company with many pensioners who are customers is strangely in favour of the cutting of the WFA. You have to ask what he is getting for his donations? This man supported the stop oil disruption which affected many of us in our every day business. Telling people to leave our country with money is just stupid isn’t it?

[@robertmccann9631]

Dale is the clearest communicator I have seen.

[@barryc1968]

Total nonsense he is just not honest

[@steverichmond7142]

I am an admirer of Dale Vince. He makes sense on everything.

[@Pobotrol]

He's a good spokesman for Labour.

[@steverichmond7142]

@@Pobotrol He's an even better advocate for the green transition and the end of oil.

[@Gwalion]

"we've had"? Bollacks.

[@justinstephenson9360]

On his comments about the proposal that all rented property by EPC C grade or better, it is a great policy but with a couple of huge flaws: 1. EPC methodology is hopeless, everyone who studies it agrees with that so it needs to be replaced otherwise we will end up with "upgrades" to rental properties that really do not achieve much 2. A maximum spend of £10k - in my experience of dealing with properties built in the 1950s or earlier, that is usually not enough even in the north of England. But the bigger problem, is that in many properties based on Government's own analysis the work might save tenant £200 per year in heating costs but the landlord would probably need to increase the rent by £75-90 per month (depends on what rate of return landlord is looking at and how much of the rent is taken in agent fees), so the economics simply do not work unless there is some government scheme to reduce the cost

[@poplarboydavid]

😂😂😂 course it’s a story of gross hypocrisy and opportunism!!!

[@jamespires3383]

Kid's with rotten teeth in their mouths half starved 🥊

[@aleph8888]

Too much sugar

[@nigelwalsh804]

Obliging rented property to be insulated seems to me about the only positive practical policy I have heard so far.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Will make a change from the tories being insulated from paying taxes.

[@ZakBanbury]

Bit weird to tell Ava that Dale's giving a talk later called "The cow in the room" given that Ava is also in that talk xD. On that though, is JOE uploading that talk? I can't find it online anywhere.

[@davy2365]

oh £400 a year that's £8 a week so at current pricing pensioners can get a packet of crisps and a bottle of beer thanks rich man.

[@partyringsparty]

Or four months heating for winter

[@kevinduffin4665]

A millionaire who speaks well with an honest view and a fair one as well good on yourself Vince Dale

[@anthonydebski5814]

VINCE!!....GO GUY!! Always worth listening....STAY TRUE!!!

[@jamespires3383]

All the houses look shit because they were designed by bronski, its an empty vessel this place.

[@amandahunter4034]

Wealthy people should be allowed to leave the UK, if they want to, but should only be allowed to take a restricted amount of money out of the UK eg £50,000. Other countries to this.

[@esm7708]

I feel for farmers. They've been shafted over Brexit and terrible deals. They get vilified for using fertiliser but when they use animal waste they get criticised for causing run off.

[@johnwilliams7653]

No farmers, no food: simples. Relying on imports is folly. Vlad-the-sadly-mad has only got to use a few submarines & we starve (along with the children & the pensioners). Blue birds over the White Cliffs of Dover? Cloud cuckoo more like.

[@l33jcm]

He's a good guy!

[@Polite_Indifference]

Seems like a sensible, decent chap.

[@TheLukob]

This is the same guy going on TV last year defending just stop oils methods. Now they've been crippled by harsh jail sentences and anti protest laws he has jumped ship to the more moderate (Tory leaning) Labour

[@wildfiresoup]

@@TheLukob Yes, and that is what intelligent people do, they look at their values and their opinions and they change them as the facts change.

[@JokeShinet]

Why do you think that???

[@TheLukob]

@@wildfiresoup nope, this guy saw it was a bad investment and moved his money. Rich people will just jump to the next investment

[@wildfiresoup]

@@TheLukob Rich and smart are not mutually exclusive though are they?

[@jamespires3383]

wak -E up england ffs

[@wonderman1918]

Bring back allotments, why can’t we from tomato and chickens in out commons

[@darrylsugg7230]

Starmer got elected saying he wanted to clean up politics the image created so far is not a good start.

[@partyringsparty]

Someone bought him clothes and he didn't declare it correctly. Not exactly Tory levels.

[@Stuboy]

After paying the right amount of tax they'd still be millionaires or evrn multi millionaires and even billionaires how much money or greed can you get

[@MalavitaOfBB]

The expression fair share drives me crazy...what does that mean...how about we all pay the same amount...is that fair? How's about we all pay the same percentage...is that fair? How about if you're a single parent, should you pay the same?....the tax system in the UK is broken, too complicated, too many loopholes, make it simple with clear percentages for everyone to pay and no loopholes.

[@partyringsparty]

Pay based on how much you get out of the country - if you're rich and have a business chances are you've probably made a lot of money out of poor people.

[@susieb1211]

We need a balance of those in poverty?! I think Vince is misunderstanding the effect of means testing the WFA. And any pittance saved won’t go to kids in poverty 🤷‍♀️

[@jimmeltonbradley1497]

My wife and I have lost our winter fuel payment. Am I angry? No. Our combined pensions, though not fantastic, are sufficient for us to survive without it. I would rather the money goes to those who really need it. As for those rich people who are complaining about paying their fair share of tax, I'm happy to help them make arrangements to move abroad.

[@BENTWOONEZERO]

In 1980 the richest 1% payed 8% of all income tax in the UK, now they pay 28% . Thoughts ?

[@TomRipley7350]

“Those who really need it”? Like migrants turning up on the beach and being given luxury flats, heating, healthcare, money to spend. Those people? People who have worked hard to achieve what they have in life do not deserve to have their money redistributed to people who have not contributed. Socialism is a race to the bottom. Good luck to those people protecting their hard earned assets.

[@mrwidestrides4802]

In 1980, the richest 1% of UK earners paid around 11% of the total income tax. This is significantly lower than the approximately 28% they contribute today. Over the decades, the tax burden on the top 1% has increased as income inequality grew and tax policies were adjusted. During that time, the tax system was less progressive compared to recent years, and the share of income tax paid by the wealthiest was a smaller proportion of the total.

[@mrwidestrides4802]

In 1980, the overall tax system was less progressive than today. While the richest 1% contributed significantly to income tax (about 11%), their share of other taxes like National Insurance, VAT, and Capital Gains Tax was lower, particularly because of favorable tax rates and loopholes.

[@lat1419]

​@@BENTWOONEZERO tax has increased on everyone. There are far more rich now, too.

[@tonybrett5209]

The triple lock has moved pensioners into the tax bracket due to the freeze on taxable earnings.

[@phil2544]

Freeze on taxable earnings affects everyone. I wish my pay had a triple lock.

[@faves2064]

That's how the taxman works, give with one hand and take with the other. Fingers crossed that's sorted in the budget 🤞

[@faves2064]

@@phil2544 beautifully put 👏

[@drunkengamer1977]

Chin up they'll get a £400 raise this year for doing sweet FA wish I had a triple lock on my wages

[@jonbob2]

@@drunkengamer1977In fairness to pensioners they can’t go on strike or move to a better paying job the way working age people can.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Farming Argument might be valid with the big companies but not small farmers. Importing meat is the biggest issue. We have cows who naturally mow the field instead of using petrol mowers. Those cows can then produce meat. There are sections of some fields where you need cows to eat the field contents because a mower isn't viable or doesn't do the job well.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

He said industrial farming

[@andrewdixon2730]

You never need cows to mow the fields! The best thing about reducing meat consumption is that it frees up land to be rewilded: absorbing carbon, improving biodiversity, and increasing soil health to name but a few of the myriad of benefits!

[@linoleumbonypart385]

Go ….!!

[@kevingrant7098]

Dale Vince is great no nonsense down to Earth full respect didn’t realise farming polluted the rivers more than water companies I learnt something here thanks Dale

[@tommoric376]

He's a grifter..

[@sockwithaticket]

I wasn't sure it was worse than sewage discharges by water companies, but effluence from intensive farming has been ruinous for river health in Ireland, so it's definitely a known problem.

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

​@@tommoric376I think he's a goodun' but he does make the odd tactical statement in order to ingratiate himself with the Starmer Party. I assume that's to do with his interest in being involved with GB Energy. I'm a happy Ecotricity customer but I still acknowledge that Mr. Vince is a capitalist and a business person. As such he says and does what is in his business interests. But I still like him because I think he puts environmental concerns first.

[@b62boom1]

There's the waste from over 20 million chickens currently being released into the river Wye. Water is taken from the river further downstream to water crops. We are literally eating sh*t.

[@NoelKearns-ln7tj]

Last time I checked farmers were not making billions from pollution? At the cost of the tax payer?

[@headgirlblues]

O lordy! Yes - some Pensioners are very well off and some children are very poor. However, some children are very well off and some pensioners are very poor. No child should go hungry and no pensioner cold. Similarly, factory farming pollution does not take away the impact of water companies' pollution. Please stop using simplistic arguments to pit one group against another. Governments are supposed to address all issues and donors - if they are truly for the country - shouldn't be cherry-picking, either.

[@johnwilliams7653]

No farmers = no food. No politicians = no problems... when did you ever see any politician actually make any problem less?

[@shinydarknight01]

He's wrong about pensioners being well looked after. We still have one of the worst state pensions in the developed world. Many poorer countries than ours have much better pensions than we do

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Perhaps they haven't had a tory type goverment for 14 years.

[@DJTheTrainmanWalker]

Which speaks to international agreements needed, to manage the richest hoarding the wealth they accumulate, from the infrastructure built from the taxes everyone else pays.

[@m.bowyer5045]

Dale Vince.....cult leader

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

I ate a cheese salad for my lunch

[@terryloftus8626]

Great guy Dale.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

The same Vince who's company (of which he is the sole shareholder) receives some £9m per annum in Government subsidies? Should be careful about biting the hand that feeds...

[@samreilly1333]

Ecotricity is not for profit. So those subsidies are just being invested in green projects.

[@Simonsimon-fy3hq]

@@samreilly1333 I suggest you look into how the business is run You may be in for a surprise - assuming you can understand basic finances.

[@samreilly1333]

@@Simonsimon-fy3hq do you have a link to this information?

[@partyringsparty]

So you can't criticise the government if they're giving you something?

[@JohnsonMelcon]

Glory!!! After so much struggles I now own a new house with an influx of $330,000.00 every month God has kept to his words, my family is happy again everything is finally falling into place. God bless America 🇺🇲🇺🇲

[@HelenEverest]

Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.

[@MrJohnson-y5n]

I'm inspired. Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned

[@JohnsonMelcon]

I raised 75k and Kate Elizabeth Becherer is to be thanked. I got myself my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her.Kate Elizabeth Becherer is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!

[@ClintDavies-k5p]

This is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. 🙏 I received this for my household

[@StanfordMcDonalds]

Wow 😱 I know her too Miss Kate Elizabeth Becherer is a remarkable individual who has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life.

[@allykhan8594]

Loads eaving even non millionaires. You got fools with certificates with no experience running a £2T economy.

[@JonatanRaven]

While I commend him for saying some of the things he's saying, he also comes across as quite out of touch with how normal people live, which is understandable seeing as he IS a millionaire. Simply removing the winter fuel allowance across the board isn't "fair" as he says, fair would be to have it be based on the income of the household. That said, there is no exact formula to perfect equality or fairness.

[@johnwilliams7653]

Taxing the rich properly would recover the WFP while allowing 10M + pensioners who need every penny they get to keep their 2 or 300 pounds. London politicians & the rich in general are shockingly cruel & out of touch. Shame & infamy be upon them.

[@partyringsparty]

It's means tested: You already got your wish.

[@davidlawton7845]

Starmer , Reeves and Raynor are professional grifters.

[@partyringsparty]

Who did you vote for?

[@lyracian]

Your title is very misleading since he does not say that at all.

[@markd1516]

err, yes he does. At the end he says that if they are not willing to pay 'their fair share' then 'they should leave'. I think that qualifies as calling people out.

[@danh9922]

A lot of the sustainable/ thought to be eco friendly farming such as free range and organic animal farming. Cause more run off into the river due to longer time need to raise and the economy of scale needed to make it profitable. George Monbiot has previously talked about this and mentioned that these are more welfare issue than environmental ones.

[@northleedspoppa]

Ava really doesn't like any non right wing view, does she

[@GregoryKodolanyiRitter]

Rich? Yes. Intelligent? I don't think so.

[@johnpullen3729]

If you can't aford your bills, sign up to ecotricity. My neighbor didn't pay for nearly 2 years, in the end they let him off around 80% of the bill. Dale don't mind..

[@TheVRSofa]

true titles would be nice try "world ignoring millions of people die, turns into war?" would be accurate. how many views did you get from just the war videos where you have an expert explain how people keep dying ona screen every day for updates. hows thos views and ad revenue doing ya? and thes rest of the world media? more imporant than facts and lives still i see

[@steves7013]

Vincent seems a sound guy 🙏✊️✊️

[@deanyozzer]

🕶

[@garyb455]

The poor will pay higher taxes to fill the gap

[@williamfence566]

If you're wealthy enough to afford a good accountant you won't pay the correct tax anyway. As a vegan with businesses in that area is Vince just hoping to gain from factory farming disappearing?

[@andrewdixon2730]

No.

[@matty7758]

I like this guy even though I'm not too fond of labour

[@redbeard3923]

To ss e

[@jillhornby5604]

He can have that opinion on winter fuel allowance being a millionaire, why interview him.

[@detritiv0re144]

He's right about many things.

[@jillhornby5604]

@@detritiv0re144 Just stop oil, dont need to say any more.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

​@@jillhornby5604you right, you shouldn't say anything if you don't have a clue.

[@partyringsparty]

It's means tested now

[@markd1516]

@@jillhornby5604 I think you do need to say a bit more, if you want to make an argument!

[@iridemountainbikes]

A millionaire that I actually like and agree with? I hope that there are more like him than I realise.

[@jamespires3383]

They don't tell you when they delete your comments as of October 7thm...

[@VendomeK-iw9uy]

This is abhorrent. Of course he donated to Just Stop Oil…. What a clown

[@veganbarnsley15]

Is killing the planet a good idea then? The climate change deniers are the real clowns. Don’t let science and facts get in your way though. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@partyringsparty]

and he stopped donating when he realised the protests were annoying more people than they were inspiring

[@VendomeK-iw9uy]

Exactly… and now he’s telling us that pensioners are taken care of in An Alexander McQueen scarf, which doubt will end on the PM’s wife in a week

[@benbutcher9672]

What an utterly regarded take.

[@partyringsparty]

Indeed

[@jessicaforrister]

So end factory farming but admit that sustainable farming isnt economicly viable, so what end all meat production and import all meat? Is that more sustainable? Most people would rather die than go vegan myself among them😅

[@nikoboco]

My take away was to reduce the consumption of meat, like he said the consumption of meat has increased through the roof since the second World War. It's not realistic to expect people to follow a vegan diet, but certainly many people could reduce the amount of meat they eat.

[@abstractdrumz]

If governments didn't subsidise the meat industry, you wouldn't even be able to afford to eat meat. It's only because meat products are so damn cheap that they are produced and consumed on such a large scale.

[@enigmaemmy]

Cultured meat is the answer! Will solve so many of the world's problems but big farming are lobbying against it.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

I'm not a vegan but I've reduced my meat intake and many of the alternatives are more than acceptable.this hopefully contribute to a better planet and does not mean that people will have to give it up

[@rustycrags]

Patriotic millionaires ..

[@andygardner5810]

Happy to see OAPs loose the winter fuel allowance, goes on to say people get ill and die in cold, damp houses.

[@MattHealey.]

With him on most things there but not giving up my bacon sarnie

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Don't think he's asking you too.although the vegan alternatives are getting better year by year.

[@joe-vl3nd]

I like Dale but Labour are you kidding 😅😅😅

[@partyringsparty]

I think, similar to him ceasing to finance Just Stop Oil, he actually wants to make a difference rather than just protesting. Backing the party which won was smart, now he has influence. He could've backed Green, but it would be futile.

[@Ellz66]

My kinda millionaire.

[@elizabethdavis9119]

Can’t beat a millionaire socialist….. 😊

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

The tories would like to beat that socialist millionaire can't have a decent person getting away with being a millionaire.

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

Donations are the root of all evil.

[@Shcroft2]

Tithes?

[@Pobotrol]

Sounds quite kneejerkey.

[@JohnPark-xf2gq]

Not so much if they are donations to genuine charity's made with good intentions.

[@juliandarch9278]

How can you use child poverty as an argument when you keep the 2 child cap? Hipocrasy, moan about immigrants yet fail the home people.

[@johnsalvage5740]

The richest 10% of the population pays around 60% of the tax. They pay for the public services, the fat cat salaries and pensions of those shirking in public sector jobs. Just look at local council officials taking home £250,000 a year and people like Sue Grey with a salary above that of Starmer. Private sector job creators should be encouraged not threatened !

[@TheMikeymcg]

It’s not about the total amount of money but the percentage of earnings. Particularly profits on assets which are taxed at a lesser rate than PAYE.

[@drunkengamer1977]

​@@TheMikeymcgtax wealth not income

[@markd1516]

Confusion and bias throughout your comment. Especially laughable is your attempt to divide the private sector - who are 'job creators' - and the public sector - who are 'shirking'. Apparently the former provide jobs for the latter because they pay high rates of tax. It doesn't seem to occur to you that plenty of public sector workers ('people like Sue Gray') are also in the top 10%, and that by the logic of your own comment the division simply collapses.

[@drunkengamer1977]

@TheMikeymcg Yup Sunak was paying far less as a percentage than Joe public his wife was still claiming non dom status despite her children going to school here and her husband being PM. This guys clueless

[@samuelstevens248]

People need to look into this winter fuel rubbish as well. 25% of pensioners are sat on £1million at least of assets. Now imagine that percentage fingure every time you drop £100k down to a still very nice £400k of assets. 50%/60%, maybe more?

[@skyward711]

Wat a argent millionaire to a pensher the munney sunak got free for presenters is corupshon

[@majordelays4909]

😂

[@enigmaemmy]

The hell is up with the level of English on this site these days

[@grobknoblin5402]

Dale Vance is worth 107 million. why trust anything he says?

[@partyringsparty]

Where as you, GrobKnoblin, are a pillar of society

[@grobknoblin5402]

@@partyringsparty I’m gay