MILLWALL 3 0 SHEFFIELD WEDNESDAY

[@morepork281]

Around twenty minutes in. "yitten" and "nesh" I've not heard those words in yonks.....spot on about Pato. Games like away at Millwall are exactly why I'd have him in my squad.

[@chriswhite1417]

Millwall fan here. To be fair that was an out of the blue result for us. Just seemed to click on the day. Long may it continue. Good luck with the rest of the season.

[@thatslottonuts]

Thought you guys did a number on us. We didn't match you physically and just got outplayed. I think it was a naive team selection from our manager and he got a lesson from your manager. Good luck with your season.

[@Gumbo1970]

Milllllllll🦁

[@craigrw]

Agree with everything you’ve said. We need to find, and have for a while now, our next Carlton Palmer.

[@paulandrews9350]

Millwall fan here from old 4th division days 1959/1960! This was our best performance in a long long while and we had a target man at long last to hold the ball up which we haven't had since Matt Smith left! We just clicked on the day and perhaps 3-0 did not reflect the overall game! Think Weds will be ok good luck for rest of season.

[@troggmeister]

I looked at the stats at about 70 minutes and Millwall had 13 shots to our 1 and that was a blocked shot at that !

[@Isleofskye]

Thanks for this and you know your stuff and you looked as I used to after a defeat 40 or 50 years ago, literally:) I have been attending Millwall since 1962. We are MUCH better than you realize as some top players are back and we have made good signings like debutant Coburn, who got Man Of The Match. We now have our Club record signing, Ivanovic to soon lead the attack and a srong squad that will climb the table. This is a better squad than finished 7th,two seasons ago apart from the loss of Zian Fleming. Good Luck to Wednesday though.A proper football club.

[@davehyatt8710]

Your best signing was Neil Harris last year, he is Millwall, but fair enough, got a real beating this time, see you later on in the season

[@Isleofskye]

@@davehyatt8710 Thanks,My Friend.

[@morepork281]

I'm writing this as I'm watching.....Felt Rohl looked liked the penny had dropped in the post match interview. I'd be tempted to revert back to what was working so well for us last season and hope it still does...then build from that. Personally I had hoped to see Pol and Marv feature, felt they've show enough and if you as asking players to fight for their places you have to reward them if they perform. We're not as bad as we are making ourselves look.......

[@sheffcam4960]

That's the frustrating thing -there's the odd flash of what we're capable of. But so many of the basics seem off. Inability to find a man. Delivery into dangerous areas.

[@richardlapper2530]

Jim, Someone has already said it but your report's are so cathartic after a game like that and an important part of getting over it. So thanks. Much appreciated. Agree with the general consensus that we were a) way too open b) really needed another battler in midfield c) And should maybe have had three at the back. Honestly thought Danny should have brought in Ingersson or Palmer for one of the wingers. Starting both Musaba and Gassama away from home always leaves us short and having the option of bringing on one or the other is always useful when we are chasing a game (eg Stoke, QPR last season). Two good things from the window. Charles seems a great addition. And we didn't get rid of Pato, Johnson or Smith on the deadline. Chances are we are going to need all three of them.

[@gordonlingard2453]

Spot on review…as always, viewed by Pitsmoor expat in Australia. Very cathartic! Thank you. Hard to watch that last game, very lethargic defense. We need strong Vaulks like characters/leaders to rise up and Marvin starting. Comforting to know that Danny is as upset as all of us and is more capable than previous managers to change things.

[@sheffcam4960]

Attitude and character are as important as nifty footwork. All teams need em. It's the one thing that's hard to measure mind. This is where old fashioned scouting comes in for me. You can measure owt these days, but I always like to see a player with my own eyes. See how body language at 2-0 down. See his body language when it's p*ssing it down. So important

[@xavierp1372]

When you were talking about how the first goal going in feels like there's going to be more, you're right, of course, but my thoughts are that (regardless of how many more we will conceded, which is inevitably going to be more than 1) the game is always over when we concede first. There's near zero chance of us ever coming back when conceding first. This is a major issue. The mentality is so bad that it's literally game over at 1-0 down. There's no spirit for fighting back. They just give up.

[@sheffcam4960]

Yeah, you just don't get that feeling in your gut that we're gonna get back into the game. Mine you, I'm sure I saw a stat other day that said it's very rare for Champ teams to come back to win full stop. Just shows how vital it is really that we start nicking that first goal. Well, actually, at minute...any goal would be nice!

[@Thelegochronicles3798]

His face at beginning says it all 😕

[@mrj8856]

I was thinking a lot of what you've said. We miss Vaulks. We need an extra body in the middle, so I'd have Pato in front of the two centre half's. I'd have Valentine starting and definitely Johnson starting! We really needed a centre back, Mcguiness! but we're skint, we never have that sort of money! Until we have the best we can hope for is mid table! I hope Röhl changes it. But he's already suggested he has a way of playing he's going to stick to. So I think he'll just change players and stick to plan A!

[@sheffcam4960]

@mrj8856 He's got this fortnight to have a look at things, hopefully we come out of the other side with some more verve and different solutions.

[@flachi32]

Millwall fan here, it looked like you were playing for a draw. Once we scored (Coburn, watch this lad) it was game over. I think Jamal Lowe who we nearly signed looked disinterested. QPR will be a tough but I hope you beat them. I agree you need Vaulks like we have George Savile doing the ugly stuff.

[@alexforrest4551]

I agree we still needed will Vaulks he loved the club and we lost alot of heart players all in one go . We at Hillsborough have to be patient now as Danny really is helping our club forward in lots of ways and different areas . It maybe be a few seasons b4 it all comes together. Thanks

[@deancronin2471]

Things will turn around Jim I believe in this team and Danny...Let's Keep the faith brother 💪🏻

[@darrensmith1189]

Very well put Jim. We seem to have gone backwards, lost our fight. The manager has been backed with staff, players, and training facilities now time to deliver. QPR feels like a must win. Pressure is on already. Might be what they need.

[@philcarpenter4815]

Hi Jim, The voice of reason is back, totally agree with your assessment and I am just as frustrated with the situation as you sound. The euphoria of last season and the hope for this season has been washed away with 3 poor performances and results. Basically losing 9-0 over 3 league matches and not creating hardly any chances, is pushing us in the wrong direction, down to 20th. Hopefully the international break has come at the right time and Danny can get this squad back out on the training ground and sort out the problems we are creating for ourselves. As you said, we want some character out on the pitch, not just players who have high runnings stats. Quick thought of mind and creativity can out way stats, so lets get creative and sort out this situation. I know it early days and 42 matches to go + cup matches, so let's trust in Danny and get behind the club. Enjoy the 2 week break. Stay Safe & Well Phil

[@grahamtravis7234]

Spot on as always Jim ,I cant understand P atto not being in team,scores 2 goals against Grimsby,and ALWAYS give 110% and is perfect for ratting in the midfield,I know its early days but were still awful at playing out from the back,and I know im a dinosaur but we need results its no having loads of possession if we cannot do anything with it .Teams have already sussed our 1 tactic and just press and pounce when we cock up which is regularly,PLAN B anyone seen it cos I haven't

[@stuartvaughan]

Said before the game, teams like Millwall, qpr, stoke etc….. that’s our league this season, got to be picking up points from these teams 🦉💙

[@eddiespitfire]

Definitely Pol, and Pato'...every team has a pain in the arse player who gets stuck in and doesn't know when he's beat, winds up the opposition fans and disrupts the flow of the game....thats Pato...he did it at Grimsby, wound them up and scored two....we will be alright this season, Danny will learn and shuffle the pack in our favour.

[@sheffcam4960]

Yeah, odd one with Pol int it. Looked like little boy lost other week on right wing, comes on in week and head a catalyst for that surging second half performance.

[@ajtame]

So much for a glorious full season under our new messiah :( bubble not only burst someone filled it with shite.

[@bertcrispy9097]

Nice review Jim, I agree with putting Marv and Patto on to mix it up. We don't seem to have anyone bossing the defence they seem to be winging it most of the time. Where's Hutch when you need him.

[@maxwellgrimes3704]

Ever since you shaved. We have gome downhill

[@sheffcam4960]

😅

[@Rich5890]

Go to Millwall and you know it’s gonna be a fight. We had Charles as the only player who looked up for that and the rest were completely outfought. It’s easy to say, but it’s 100% true in this case. Every header, every 50/50, every second ball. You earn the right to play and we never did that. We’re trying to play this possession based game now and the players look so uncomfortable with it and then when we end up losing it, we look wide open. We cannot continue with a midfield 2 away from home if we’re playing a back 4 behind them. Last season our success came from a solid base (3 Centre halves), width and supply from two attacking wing backs and getting the ball forward/into the box quickly. I get Danny has these ideas of how to play, and it’s probably the ‘right way’ to play in modern day football… but I’m not sure we have the players currently to do it. Our massive problem right now is how easy we are to play against and how easy we collapse once we encounter any adversity in games. We need to have a real look at how we’re setting up and getting back to basics.. especially away from home. Either a back 3.. or a back 4 with 3 in front, 1 sitting (Charles).

[@sheffcam4960]

Your 4th paragraph is the key one for me. There seems to be a brittleness to our mentality when we're under pressure. I think that needs addressing as much as owt tactucal

[@Rich5890]

@@sheffcam4960 100%. Happened so many times where we’ve given 2/3 goals away in a short space of time after conceding, at home too, but especially away. It comes down to a desire and leadership. Take the sting out of things when things are on top away from home and keep the ball!!!

[@sheffcam4960]

I'm starting to think fondly of Stockdale running the clock down with his antics! That bit of on field game management!

[@Rich5890]

@@sheffcam4960 yep. Sh*****sery 101. Vaulks was good at it too.

[@andrewroberts299]

@Rich5890 as a Millwall supporter that line in your 2nd paragraph where you said, “we’re trying to play this possession based game now and the players look so uncomfortable with it…”really stood out for me, because that’s how our fans thought when Joe Edwards came in last season to replace Gary Rowett. We’d gone from playing defensive boring football, trying to nick a 1 goal lead and hold onto it, to playing this more expansive football with our players, many of whom had limited footballing ability and just couldn’t do what was asked of them. Funnily enough, Edwards first game as Millwall manager was an away trip to play Wednesday and we beat you 4-0. The players just clicked on the day and we pretty much tore you lads a new one. Our fans were amazed to see cloggers like Jake Cooper (CB) playing like Paolo Maldini and we thought, even then, that we’d hit the jackpot with Edwards, and with more performances like that, getting a play off place was more than possible. Alas, it wasn’t to be and your result was mainly a flash in the pan. We kept losing, sometimes through poor marking mistakes, other times due to sheer bad luck. The team rallied a bit over the Christmas period getting two consecutive home victories against Queens Park Rangers and Norwich City, but the team faltered again during January and February 2024, culminating in a 2-0 home defeat by the Owls. It was somewhat ironic that Edwards managerial career started with an away victory over the Owls, and it was ended a few months later with a home defeat by the same opposition. Our chairman was faced with a difficult decision. Edwards was taken on because the chairman wanted his team to play better football that would hopefully earn us a promotion to the Premier League. Unfortunately Edwards didn’t have the players who could play the football he wanted, and faced with the growing prospect of relegation to league 1 an almost certainty, Edwards was sacrificed and our saviour, the revered God like former player (and former manager), Neil Harris answered our chairman’s call. Harris came in and got the players playing no nonsense football, with the added ingredients of grit and determination, and we ended the season winning our last 5 games and finishing comfortably mid table. As you can no doubt tell by now, the comparison to how the Owls are faring under Rohl now, compared to how we faired under Edwards then, are strikingly similar. The one advantage your chairman has which our chairman didn’t was time. As much as many Owls fans love Rohl and appreciate what he’s trying to do, at some point, if it’s not working and not changing, your chairman will have to make a decision about your manager’s future. The question is, will the chairman stick or twist? Does he give Rohl time or does he push the panic button and bring in another manager who everyone is happy with, and who gets you the results that you need?

[@GeorgeH77]

Disappointing result. I was really expecting the team to put in a display after the Leeds game. Last season we seemed to have little bounce backs after a bad result. (after Xisco had gone) I really thought we'd get something at the Den and was looking forward to it. Hugely disappointed.

[@MickCann-j8o]

Great review pal. Nonetheless worrying what’s going on at S6.

[@sheffcam4960]

He'll swing us round I'm sure, but in the medium term we really need to get some points on the board.

[@MickCann-j8o]

I hope so pal, we need to get a result against QPR who look like a reyt side!

[@alexforrest4551]

It was an awful team display. But want to see some of the last season players with heart . ie Johnson palmer and pato more involved to bring the grit back in . But we owls have to be patient. Lets keep reminding each other of that . We have a manager who cares . Good review pal

[@andyd7213]

Fair comment on the game. One of your points about the grappling/wrestling from corners and free kicks. As a supporter I find this the most boring, time wasting thing to watch. Why do the powers that be let this continue in football? Good luck for the rest of the season.

[@superowlsforlife]

International break coming up

[@sheffcam4960]

Time for him to have a look at thing. Review the games. See what can be done.

[@danielswfc81]

Grate one mate y us y all ways us we can’t win for life in us got a feel of last year we are shit slow no fight no Harte make me sick

[@kevinholdaway7919]

Watched your video and could see your frustration, how come a great club like Wednesday gave up so easily? However, it was the same with us. Rowett kept us safe but sucked the life out of the club, it was boring, safe, football. So we took on one of these young managers in Edwards. He would have been a good manager but did not understand the crowd, players and history. We don’t have the money for players and this tappy, tappy, play from the back, sort of football - it’s boring. We want passion, have a go football. With Millwall, we demand football with passion. A few good hard tackles, watching players really try, witnessing pride in wearing that shirt, that’s all we expect. If we lose 3-0 4-0 5-0 6-0 it’s not a problem if we gave it our all and tried, we even applaud players off the pitch if they give it their all and lose heavily, that’s the Millwall way. Our manager Harris is a legend. He knows Millwall, he knows what the supporters want, he knows the players to bring in for that. There are no prima donnas here. So does a club like Wednesday need a manager who really understands the club and its history? Someone that rallies the side, someone that is not pretentious? I wish you well, oh and I like Mary Berry’s cakes as well.

[@sheffcam4960]

We have to stick with Danny, I really do belive he's a manager destined for the very top of the game. What he achieved last season was nothing short of a miracle, we were dead and buried. It was the foot all equivalence of Fury getting up from that Wilder right hander. The bookies had started paying out on us being down. But... to achieve those results he had to mix things up at the back end, bring in a few of the old grafters like Paterson, Vaults etc to complete the recovery. Add a bit of steel. I'm confident in what he's trying to do, but he's doing it on a pound land budget, so may have to go back to tried and tested ways if results don't pick up. Mind you... for all that, it doesn't help whatever you're doing if players are simpley switching off when the opposition have the ball. As for Mary Berry...sadly not baked owt out of that for a while, Doctors given me the Scarborough warning about me sugar intake! 😅

[@kevinholdaway7919]

@@sheffcam4960 These young, new breed managers do not convince me. They like to play out from the back, lots of square balls, lots of possession, lot of tippy, tappy stuff but where does it get you? That’s fine if you’re the Man City, United or Arsenal sides with more money than sense and can buy those sort of players, but for the rest it don’t work, especially in the Championship - proof: look at Leeds and the yo-yo teams. Edwards was the same with us, wanted to change our old way of playing but our team could not do it or could not adapt. We don’t have the money for those sort of players, and does it really guarantee you success? So out he went before it was too late and in comes Harris. Old school, old Millwall, mix it up a bit, few crunching tackles, no prima donnas, it gets the crowd on your side - it works. So where do you expect Wednesday to be? If you want them up in the ‘Plastic’ Premier then you have to break the bank and possibly suffer many years of financial misery if it don’t work. Managers and chairmans come and go but it’s us supporters that stay for life and pay the wages. Is it better to have exciting cup runs and good wins against high championship clubs, then down to the pub after, good drink and a happy weekend or watch your team loose heavily to the Arsenals of this world and the club broke trying to achieve the impossible? Shame about the cakes, also the beers look good on the window ledge but bet they are weak on the inside!!!!

[@kevinholdaway7919]

@@sheffcam4960 These young, new breed managers do not convince me. They like to play out from the back, lots of square balls, lots of possession, lot of tippy, tappy stuff but where does it get you? That’s fine if you’re the Man City, United or Arsenal sides with more money than sense and can buy those sort of players, but for the rest it don’t work especially Championship teams. The proof: Where are Leeds and why so many yo-yo sides? Edwards was the same with us, wanted to change our old way of playing but our team could not do it and could not adapt. We don’t have the money for those sort of players and does it really guarantee you success? So out he went before it was too late and in comes Harris. Old school, old Millwall, mix it up a bit, few crunching tackles, no prima donnas, get it into that box - it gets the crowd on your side - it works. So where do you expect Wednesday to be? If you want them up in the ‘Plastic’ Premier league then you have to break the bank and possibly suffer many years of financial misery if it don’t work. Managers and chairmans come and go but it’s us supporters that stay for life and pay the wages. Is it better to have exciting cup runs and good wins against high championship clubs, then down to the pub after, good drink and a happy weekend or watch your team lose heavily to the Arsenals of this world and the club broke trying to achieve the impossible? It’s not for a lack of ambition, it’s simply being realistic. Millwall a glamour club - never, but a hard bastard to beat. Shame about the cakes, also the beers look good on the window ledge but bet they are weak on the inside!!!!

[@geraldmorson4522]

Hope things improve jim we look lost

[@PatMurphy-vz2ok]

ffs mate u need a pick me up tablet or 2 lol. came across u on you tube and ur funny to watch and I think you drive a cab down Conation Steet yep Steves mate. I was at the game and when our new striker smacked into ur goal keeper in the 1st couple of minutes we knew it was going to be a good day so MILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. UR A GOOD TONIC TO PUSH A MAN TO SUICIDAL THINKING.

[@Hesgoneandwrittenitdown]

Im concerned that our players our only at league one standard and now bannans getting on a bit too. Lets hope im wrong

[@johnbobby1092]

Average full backs blah blah blah the end

[@inspectorpadgett9695]

its a shame footballs not played on paper, coz that team should ne beating millwall comfortably. we need grit, disire, will to win, these new players dont realise what weve done over last 2 seasons. 3 words spring to mind of our starting 11 as i watched that millwall game. SOFT AS SHIT! i honestley beleive johnson brings more than lowe and valentin brings more than valery, palmers knockin on, but he brings more than them players who started today. give me a battling performance any day over tapping around at the back for 90 minutes. things need to change and quick

[@Isleofskye]

You're completely wrong as a Millwall fan in his 8th decade who has been attending for over 60 years,. Our line up for our only other Home game was so weak that for the first time ever,I chose not to go though I had paid for a ticket.We had one small,aging striker against 3 giant defenders and were 0/2 down before he brought other attackers on.At Bristol City after winning at Portsmouth in The Carabao,we were 3/2 up near the end ,only to lose 4/3 and we drew at Hull.NOW,FINALLY,we have signed 2 Centre Forwards.Coburn who played anf was given MOTMatch and our Club record signing is injured.We had Tanganya and others back and watch us climb.We were solid all through with a strong squad now. Good Luck to Wednesday ,who I have liked since that 1966 F A Cup Final when 2/0 up v Everton.

[@Ratchmfc]

You ain't got a clue mate, should be beating millwall ffs, this is the millwall that done you 4 zip at home

[@inspectorpadgett9695]

@@Ratchmfc millwall are a bang average championship side that wont finnish in the top 10 or get relegated, so if any team has any aspirations of acheiving anything in this league, millwall is a team they should be beating. simple

[@Stannington]

Same old Same old

[@markbrewin2728]

Pato really Jim he was pants in the week i know he scored 2 but that's all he did. i agree about Marv and id have started Poll thought he changed the game midweek .

[@justinshore5566]

"that's all he did".... Score 2 ?¿

[@sheffcam4960]

Well I'd agree he's certainly no right winger, but he's done a valuable job for us down the middle several times. I'd not be against him being third man in the middle bashing folks about. Or even up top away from home, we won nowt against Cooper and Tanganga in the air at the weekend. 3 league games without a goal, I'll gladly take someone who'll put his head in where it hurts to get on the score sheet.

[@markbrewin2728]

@@justinshore5566 yes unless you saw something i didn't .