Milsim West: Spearhead Saratov | Too High Speed? Spirit of the Game Broken (E&L AK-105) Part 1

Today I'm in West Virginia for Milsim West Spearhead Saratov. I am on the Militia or Regional Forces (REGFOR) side with everyone's favorite airsoft team (sarcasm) Green Mountain Rangers or GMR.
In this video I discuss the spirit of the game and how it effects the over all game.
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[@OrbitalRose_01]

I really like the water bottle medic as a way to make sure players are staying hydrated, cool mechanic.

[@richpurslow3283]

and you know who keeps getting hit cos they piss a lot

[@Sodaairsoft]

It's super smart for sure.

[@gruntscrewdriver3261]

Its just every medic´s priority number 1.

[@innocentsmoothi6999]

Waste of plastic though!

[@JM-tp8if]

Innocentsmoothi it does certainly create a bit of waste but if I remember correctly the TACSOP requires that you do not leave your empty bottles on the field. So at least they are mostly being recycled.

[@unculturedswine7993]

I think since it is a milsim game, everyone should try their best to stay as true to the 'spirit of the game' as possible. Immersion should be second to top priority(the first priority being safety) and should be encouraged by everyone. All it takes is a few people breaking immersion to make a milsim not as enjoyable.

[@DominusRexDK]

can only agree, if you don't stride to achieve/provide some level of immersion, then why are you even at a milsim event?

[@Swoggify]

Uncultured Swine True, rec games and casual games are for doing whatever you want.. MILSIM is a Simulation.

[@ecl1psed417]

In the words of CrazyRussianHacker, “Safety is number one priority!”

[@talonfire1640]

John Nelson don’t know if you still care, but it’s basically if you feel like a part of whatever world you are talking about. Easiest way to provide immersion is just stay in character

[@Stephen0696]

You talk about immersion using a ak with a American red dot sight 😂 and u worry about clothing

[@benjaminkeepfer8968]

Oof. 4 of my smokes in that courtyard & nobody even went around the corner. Press F for airsofter indecisiveness

[@C00T47]

F

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

That was a good throw too.

[@miller_de]

F

[@KermitAirsoft]

??? Did you not see them getting nailed when they peek the corner?

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

@@KermitAirsoft The whole point of smoke is that you can't see...

[@StickmanAirsoftPH]

When you're a Russian force and suddenly have a MARSOC looking dude on your team. Yeah, I feel ya.

[@KrokLP]

Rocking a Chikom, generic Woodland clothes and an AKM and suddenly a SOCOM guy with fully kitted Mk18, active hearing protection and a rhino mount on his Opscore is appearing next to you...

[@ChaosBW]

When you're a Russian team and everybody is wearing Adidas tracksuits 👌

[@KrokLP]

@@ChaosBW Just as shit :/

[@yeoldcrusader2184]

I would find that pretty fun but i get what your going at.

[@timothygimongala2951]

Hinihintay ko video mo

[@jorgelavadotonelada1413]

In the TACSOP it does say that militia forces are not allowed to use high speed load-outs (such as plate carriers, bump helmets, NVGs, etc.) and that attachments are strongly discouraged but these rules are basically never enforced. They are 100% allowed to use NATO weapons though like M4s. Personally, I think it is ok as long as they use Russian styled high speed gear and optics, but the over Americanization of the militia forces is a bit...odd. Admittedly sometimes interesting and comical, but it does take some away from the immersion.

[@adrianfrift7571]

and there would be me in just plce webbing with an l85 and a susat

[@mikewickensjr6953]

Facts

[@deego2729]

mexican drug cartels: nervous sweating

[@bruhbruh13968]

Lol have you ever seen a real russian sobr team

[@Cabbagepatch66]

I think if the militia guy in "high speed" gear can and DOES rp his possession of it the whole game, that'd be ok. Like he always talks about "when the Americans came to train him to fight against [insert government here]". Then laugh about how now it's being used against Americans. That would help to keep the spirit of the game, and give a chuckle to people around him.

[@Antivist_]

7:46 is a perfect example of why I never trust 95% of my team to clear anything. Unless I'm with a squad of guys I personally know and have played with many times, proving they know what they're doing. If you don't know the guys who "cleared" a building, do another sweep through yourself checking every square inch. You'd be surprised at where some people manage to hide.

[@kevinschmidt5403]

First off I want to say it’s so cool seeing the Russian perspective of this. I was a part of nato and my squad and I were the ones in that complex. I think personally Immersion wise it’s not a big deal because it’s a game, that being said, since I was in the building as well as outside before the Russian offensive, it was really hard to distinguish if they were nato or Russian. I don’t think they should run that style of kit unless they are nato. Not because of the immersion, but due to team identification and confusion

[@DesertFoxAirsoft]

There were some moments of the game where I also became confused as to who was who cause their weapons and kit. I actually don't mind the helmets and PC's but their MK18's being the exact same attachment setup as NATO gets confusing. If they changed the attached format slightly I think that would help a little bit.

[@kevinschmidt5403]

Either way I’m not going to let someone’s load out ruin my time there. It’s a great time at these events and I really enjoy being a part of them.

[@TheLPRnetwork]

I think it would have been best for players of the Militia to group together with people of similar gear. That way it's more impressive to think a group of militia just stole US supplies or something. Better than just one guy with non-Russian gear. EDIT: or even better, have them act as prisoners, and when you free then, they put on the 'stolen' gear.

[@ChaosBW]

Hell yeah If I was in a war and saw some dead guy from the enemy team with a better gun I'd take it no doubt

[@fallennate]

if you were by yourself, sure maybe. in a squad, probably not. no one's got mags you can use and vice versa, your gun goes down in a fire fight? no one can repair your gun if you're rocking the 7 year old Galil you picked up from the dead guy two towns away.

[@wraithdino1217]

@@fallennate i mean its militia in a warzone they tend to net get equipped that well in the first place as all the good stuff has to go to the actual military so i could see them trying to scavenge as theyre always going to be working with outdated and half functional gear anyway

[@theultimatehangover7576]

I would have framed it as such: -east bloc kitbashers: russian mercs. -civillian-heavy loadouts [hunting gear, adidas, etc.]: loose-affiliated militants; unprofessional insurgents and other volunteer fighting elements. -western heavy loadouts: western mercenaries and other turncoats, occasional looters.

[@cuttlefish8184]

In a war, a weapon is a weapon so who cares what side you are on, if you killed some US forces, sure. Take their guns and gear. Its probably better than what you have. (But yes I agree. Try to group them as a squad so it seems like they collected it together and it helps for sharing mags. )

[@hypeairsoftandgaming]

it bugs me because your battery seemed to have been low in your ak your ruining my immersion reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@Fernando-ry5qt]

Nah, its just a shitty 9v battery probably, thats why you hear the motor whining and the trigger response and rof was so slow

[@louis7855]

would of thought some one like him would atlest have a nice upgraded ak and use 11.1 not shitty bats

[@hypeairsoftandgaming]

maybe he did have one and it died so he had to barrow one that is always a possibility

[@ChaosBW]

It bothers me that they're allowed to use AEG at all Gbb or go home!

[@DesertFoxAirsoft]

I had switched to what I thought was a fully charged battery, guess not. I'm working on upgrading an LCT AK104 for when I play RUSFOR so I don't have these horrible sounding gun issues.

[@booniebros2790]

Awesome video! Milsim West definitely has some of the most intense firefights. I was the one in that connex box shooting down at all of the rusfor, I wish I saved that grenade haha.

[@booniebros2790]

Andrew Fancher BB Wars you know what I meant

[@rachelpurity1]

6:08 My man busted out the star wars blaster by the sound of it.

[@AQ.Gimpalong]

Not sure why GMR was allowed to run the kit they had given the REGFOR restrictions in the TACSOP. The TACSOP clearly states that "only non-NATO styled body armor/carriers are acceptable" and GMR was running JPCs. Still, it was a fun event and I'd love to go back.

[@kevinschmidt5403]

Agree but still was a great event. I’ll definetly he back

[@dylanloomis6197]

Because Crye is an international supplier and Russian special forces use Crye gear time - to - time. And you can literally just look up "russian special forces" and find pictures of them in JPC's, airframes, and multicam.

[@DesertFoxAirsoft]

Totally true. It just sucks when literally everyone else at the game is trying to make the game look authentic, to a point.

[@cblman]

Actually, what really sucks is it looks like you were having a good time with GMR at the game and now you're shitting on them for profit on KZbin instead of voicing your complaint with Milsim West like an industry celebrity/ "professional" should lol.

[@benjaminkeepfer8968]

@@cblman Lots of complaints were raised right after the game, lol. This is just Jet's most efficient way to spread the word.

[@meansartin]

Why did MSW not enforce the standards? I thought they were big on that stuff.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

Sponsor possibly.

[@bucwolf]

At some point perheps you are too big to refuse people? Unless it’s a blatant violation

[@bruhbruh13968]

Lol what happend is the dudes ak74 was broke so the cadre spotted him the ar insted of just turning him away after he payed 175 dollars and flying hundreds of miles to do the event

[@irish-actual1278]

@@bruhbruh13968 then he probably shouldn’t have paid $175 and fly out hundreds of miles with only one broke ass airsoft rifle then haha like how does that make any sense at all…. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@bruhbruh13968]

@@irish-actual1278 broke on the spot but aight man make up the story

[@pacemakerdj]

Dude, charge your batteries lol

[@Swoggify]

Eric Wunder I’d probably cry if I had to run that gun at any event

[@rokinz3270]

Might be a combo of weak motor and underpowered battery. Hard to listen to a gun that slow

[@hectorallen7765]

E&L have amazing externals, but not the best internals.

[@bondeb42]

E&L heavily upgraded their internals with their Gen.2

[@az6816]

If you don't understand impressions , go play American Mislim or some other green / tan event , in my country we have the same problem , i personaly do an impression of FSB , and every impression based milsim i go to , russians play alongside militia , i love seeing a good militia loadout , but most of those people don't bother to do an impression , and the worst argument i hear them saying is "oh ye impressions are expensive we don't all have money for it " , says a guy running a gun that in upgrades costs more then a full impression loadout . I think MSW should be a litle more strict with the militia , because i would hate to see it turn to something as awfull as this looks to be , i watch every mislim west video and i've never seen worst militia impressions in my life .

[@smesaric]

agree there is already tons of milsims that don't involve impressions of any sorts, if you don't want one why go to milsim west?

[@aninjaguardian]

6:59 sounds absolutely intense.

[@aft3342]

What breaks my immersion is when 1. People group up in clusters (unless there like a militia faction) in normal combat, 2. When the wrong gear for a faction is worn and 3. When people in milsims just say hit and sit down in the middle of a open field instead of acting like a dead man

[@UserNameMandatory]

I was the one in militia that mentioned during AAR the problem of militia members that made zero effort to look Russian. And got to see myself in your video for a brief second. Besides breaking the precious emersions, it messes up the quick FoFID. I did shoot the guys that ended up climbing up that roof because they ended up on line with enemy while in the same kit as the enemy.

[@jarl_ulfson5017]

I can see were it would break the emersion. But I try to think of it as the fighting has bein going on for years, and the milita has over time aquired the gear from fallen soldiers

[@TheGeneral308]

Would make sense. The Russian army would keep the Russian stuff for themselves and give the captured Nato stuff to the milita.

[@Mitchkit]

I almost attended this event. I love airsoft and milsims just give off amazing almost video game levels of immersion but in real life. Before I could purchase my spot my grandmother got sick so I had to stay behind and help take care of her. In the end I'm glad I didn't attend Saratov because I had heard how poorly this one was done in comparison to other MSW events. What with russians with M4 models and what not.

[@ROMANOWSKIAIRSOFT]

Personally I think it depends on the event. Milsim West specifically. Their requirements should be upheld imo. And I play speed soft haha. If I were to play an event like this one which I intend on it eventually, I would prefer the most immersive experience possible, otherwise its gonna feel like any other airsoft game.

[@StickmanAirsoftPH]

Finally a milsim video from Jet! It's been so long!

[@jwolf4261]

With milsim I think trying to stay with what the factionbis supposed to wear is the best option and adds a lot to the game, I also feel it probably helps with figuring out who is enemy and who is friend. Great video Jet.

[@southpawairsofter]

That at-4 in the beginning was shooting at me! Super intimidating

[@Hive-Mind-BBX]

If you're in a malitia, you take any gun you can field, any equipment can be reworked/recolored to fit your faction, in airsoft you do all that before you go, and make adjustments as needed on arrival and team assignment. That said, unless you pretend that you "scavenged" your gear on the day in prep for the battle or "defected" for RP reasons, looking like an enemy faction does in fact ruin immersion to a certain degree, and can impact the game with increased chance of friendly fire. P.S. I love the water bottle medical system! I hope it spreads everywhere :D

[@BloodyTheProto]

Jet i wasn't able to watch it when it came out because of school but i am still glad i can watch you play play hard and have fun every game

[@HollowProductions111]

So I take that coming dress in a ODST suit is against the rules

[@hokage64th]

JPCs and Airframes are used by Russia’s FSB Alfa units but yes, seeing M81s and MK18 carbine does kinda break RusFor feeling but in the end it doesnt matter. You know who’s on your team and who isnt

[@gamba3685]

In my opinion, the only thing that is crucial for airsoft is a clear distinction between teams. As long as the kits look different for each team, then the game is at least playable. Of course everyone would be happier with the same style of kit for each team, but that isnt usually possible in practice due to a number of reasons.

[@drummerboii2878]

In the end it's just a game.

[@andrewzernovak56]

Drummer boii yes, and I understand that. I truly do. But the whole point of milsim is MUH IMMERSION

[@drummerboii2878]

You want real immersion then enlist

[@andrewzernovak56]

Drummer boii That's like 10 steps too far. People play milsim because they DON'T or can't enlist.

[@robertnooney8877]

msw isnt even milsim tho its just a war game

[@buckplug2423]

+Drummer boii Milsim is all that's awesome about combat minus all the shitty stuff, like being ultra-tired, scared, exposed to being crippled by 1 stray bullet or getting casualties. Kinda like a video-game milsim but in real life (+ all the logistical/preparatory stuff). And you don't have to spend 99% of your time on a milsim doing training, police calls, gettin smoked or just plain out nothing to get to the good stuff.

[@CaptainLegend]

What gets me is apparently Josh Warren approved GMRs kits, despite their kits clearly breaking the regs stated in the tacsop... Also, militia with NVGs?! I don't think so.

[@anfpat]

Curious why you would run along side them if a helmet and ptw that were approved bothered your “immersion” so much.

[@jakestull5391]

Patrick S big facts

[@TerrytheTrex97]

Fighting towards the common objective.

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

No one is bitchy enough to make a big deal during the game. These are issues that should have been avoided before anyone stepped onto the field.

[@levvy3006]

NATO NPC

[@ohiomilsimgroup6651]

Josh knew about it and approved it. It wasn’t a big deal at the game and isn’t that big of a deal afterwards.

[@acequat]

bro you simply do the fucking best airsoft gameplay vids. i LOVE your milsim series, intense action! also like how you play rusfor+ak47 for once, really nice loadout

[@teamhyenabc574]

interesting looking complex to fight in, i could see a lot of friendly fire incidents happen due to gun/camo or even gear recognition though. Bummer this is a thing but hopefully things will work out in the future.

[@dustinwyatt775]

Cool to see jet and GMR/ronin working together.. despite the negative stuff said about them they’re good players for sure.

[@Pbpro9988]

Do you think at this point the Tacsop needs to be updated a bit to reflect what the intended purpose of the militia faction is supposed to be? I personally think an updated wording is needed to correct the issue. No nods, no plate carriers, and no high speed M4 platforms. It's just too confusing and hurts the immersion of the game. And whoever approved the 2"x2" hi vis patches as enough for militia to tell friend from foe made a terrible decision.

[@trimeric1947]

Many militias, especially in the Middle East, that include Ukrainian or Kurdish groups do wear JPCs and plate carriers. Several militias do use m4 based platforms, not just AKs. The reason for this is the fact of it being a Militia, meaning whatever you can best equip yourself with or afford as if in a realistic situation. Militias today are more heavily armed and equipped than people normally think. The YPG (a Kurdish militia group) usually wear fatigues and use m4 platforms and AKs; several also have plate carriers.

[@RubleInnawoods]

I, and some of my friends, always work as PMCs (Ruble Defense Core), so we look more casual, JPCs, Oakley pilots, t shirts or combat shirts, Blackhawk/5.11 tactical pants, Oakley pilots. I use my JPC for actual work too, I have lvl3 plates in them. Multi purpose I could say. But it’s fun for us 5-7 friends to be a single group of people hired by either NATO or RUSFOR

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

Well, to be fair as far as emersion is considered. In the story the militia has been fighting NATO for like what, 5 to 6 years or so now right? It stand to reason that with the back and forth in the story line (not to mention how many times NATO has gotten their butts kicked in recent events) that lots of gear superior to what an eastern European militia would be able to grab would be left behind. Think later stages of Vietnam when our guys were stealing as for jungle fighting and the VC were using stolen M16 for urban. Or hell ISIS has M16 A4s bought on the black market and garage built m4s. Not to mention a few stg 44s some MG 42/43s and at one point they had drones and 3 migs. Ditch the camo for militia but let people keep the crye gear and mk18s it makes since for the story at this point imo or officially restrict NATO camo to NATO and gur to russfor and let the guys playing militia where whatever they want that's not in that category. Hell even then I've seen ISIS dudes with better gear than I had in 2007 thanks to Amazon international shipping. Multicam and dashiki is apparently a fairly common combo over there from what I've heard actually Another side note though, the militia option was dreamed up as a way for people who could afford to play but not buy the kits or just couldn't justify having a milsim kit lying around for the once, maybe twice a year event they might actually get to use it. So I don't even get why people bother. Is it being used as overflow or something now? Personally I'd rather rock a flannel shirt and comfy blue jeans under my kit like I did for real steel back in the day. Way more comfortable than civilian made camo in my opinion. Tldr: some NATO kit makes sense, given that the militia is picking shit up off of the dead from NATO after 6 years of fighting them, but the camo needs to be the restricted. Or a requirement that it looks ratty and shitty and mixed with civilian gear

[@bruhbruh13968]

This comment is underrated

[@alexmarangoni8641]

Yeah it does suck when the immersion and the spirit of the game is broken, but not everybody is able to afford another gun or gear that's kit-correct for the side that they're playing on. I do love the water bottle reviving. It's really smart.

[@JdrekAirsoft]

Love watching you Jet

[@KermitAirsoft]

For a game like milsim west that's actually supposed to be immersive and milsim, I see your point, and I can see how it would negatively affect peoples' experiences as far as immersion into the game. But really we all know we're playing airsoft and it's really not a big deal at all to me personally. It's still a 48 hour game on a big AO with a pretty good amount of people and blankfire and whatnot. It wouldn't really ruin anything for me personally.

[@bumholekid1383]

I mean if you bug an air frame you probably gonna get the most out of it just saying, but besides that Russian helmets with covers or Mich 2000's are also pretty damn sweet and non ballistic helms of these versions are usually pretty nice to your wallet

[@brettgould8900]

Although it's more of a nato look, modern fsb and other Russian special forces do wear airframe and plate carriers. They're trying to catch up with the modernized nato loadout

[@BisforBlyat]

GMR went running as the militia which in the TACSOP isn’t allowed to have NATO like gear. Rusfor can use their modern gear but can’t wear multicam. Generally Rusfor uses black or atacs fg for modern kits.

[@BisforBlyat]

Brett Gould But yeah basically any modern military is copying the basic NATO kit.

[@Radio48388]

To be fair, modern Russian military are often seen using westernized gear, including multicam chest rigs and helmets. But still distinguishable from NATO outside.

[@liamfippinger8962]

I’ve never gone to MilSim west before but I’d like to I really like the teamwork and the realism so I hate it that people are messing it up for the game

[@emtee.2755]

at 6:20 those guys own my local field, Zulu 24, and they are extremely nice guys and they’re what got me and my friends into airsoft 🤟 what a bunch of dudes, too bad they didn’t rock aks 😔 I respect them obviously but i do hate when people ruin the spirit of the game, airsoft is just a game at the end of the day and when people get butt mad and think they are real soldiers it bothers me, but stuff like Milsim West is great and people pay to have this experience and when others don’t try to fit the part it grinds my gears 🙃 idk I gotta lot to say imma go write a book or something, keep up the fantastic vids as always Jet 🤟🤟

[@indianscammer9425]

10:30 this dude really wearin shoes with toes? wtf

[@OGDocHoliday]

toe shoes bro ya dig i got a pair too.

[@calebnieves4744]

Doc Holiday Airsoft they fire 😂

[@Corgblam]

Your non-blowback AK is breaking my immersion.

[@Booltubes]

You can’t break the rule if you were approved and checked 😥

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

I mean, you technically can, that is what the whole deal with joule creep is about. Guns approved shooting X energy but is really Y energy over the limits. GMR isn't breaking any rules here, but they aren't playing by the spirit of the game, which I don't think anyone can deny. If everyone did what GMR did MSW wouldn't be what it is.

[@larspossum9201]

I think for a MilSim, realness is the most important factor

[@spartanhd_]

At some of the themed events or "Film-sims: that i go to, the event staff usually check what people are running before the event and turn anyone away on the door who doesn't look the part, this then keeps the immersion.

[@Dash62g]

I don't mind. I understand not everyone can afford three different kits. That said, there should be helmet regulation so you can tell for sure whether you're shooting at an enemy or a friendly.

[@johna1186]

Why is there like 80 crown vics

[@buckplug2423]

cheap props

[@Radio48388]

Attachments are "highly discouraged" for miitia weapons per the MSW TacsOps. Most the people at Stavropol took that seriously, although I was in a squad with a guy with an $8,000 thermal REAP-IR scope on his HK 416. It was helpful but didn't help the immersion. I don't think many NATO players had that setup.

[@ragingraven6738]

I had a blast at this event. I was one of the NATO guys holding down the fort in Building 11. My only frustration was GMR showing up and playing in NATO kits. I don’t care if they put the reflective tape on, in the heat of battle and at night that tape was invisible. If I had known you could show up in what ever kit and just slap on reflective tape I would’ve showed up in my CQB black gear and not spent almost $1000 making a new load out from the ground up.

[@LukePRTR]

Dude how is anyone suppose to know who is who when everyone is wearing helmets with nighvision? and all you see is green and black? your crying over a problem then never exsisted

[@ragingraven6738]

LukePRTR I’m upset with MilSim West not backing what they repeatedly said in the TACSOP. The TACSOP clearly laid out the uniform requirements and if you didn’t show up in the proper gear you were going home. Me and my squad spent a lot of money making sure we met the requirements just to find out that we could’ve just slapped on some reflective tape. If they claim they’re going to send you home in the wrong gear then they should honor it. Other than that I had no problem with this event.

[@windypoo6047]

Did anyone else get the Google ad? Looked like a better youtube rewind 2018 than the actual one

[@samkill5]

Wouldnt be a jet the desert fox video without the hopup being super off all jokes aside grest video

[@christianl1082]

The salt overload

[@nyblackpanthersairsoft9861]

*host event with GMR....*goes to another event and complains about GMR... makes sense to me

[@dylanl2928]

NY Black Panthers Airsoft he was acting nice in person then turns around and talks shit behind their back

[@DerekSVNLD]

Do you agree with 100% of your friends' actions in 100% of scenarios? Jet is making a completely relevant point - their weird high speed NATO kit looks hella out of place in what's supposed to be a ragtag group of militia. This doesn't mean he hates them as people, or never wants to play with them again. I'm sure he'd just prefer it if they'd keep to the spirit of what MSW is trying to do here.

[@FR4NCH3K]

Makes perfect sense? His events aren't MSW, nor do they encourage impressionism. MSW is an impression-based event, so non-impressionists should go militia and should follow militia rules, which state non-NATO body armor (which includes helmets), non-tactical ARs/AKs, and more regular-style surplus uniforms.

[@Stinger913]

The 4:00 charge should’ve had a clip of “URRRAAHHHHH!”

[@JonnyhofGA]

ahhhh, my favorite airsoft teams DAG & RCG doing what they do best lmfao

[@tacticalministries3508]

I know what you mean about gear. Blood diamond 2017 I was one of the guys 4unning green team and this kid showed up in head to toe black not even a single green pouch. He tried to say he was on our team and I got frustrated because the organizers had said that the uniform code would be strictly enforced at the register

[@tankninja1]

It is militia, I don't see the problem with them using whatever they want so long as it still falls within the dress rules for milita. If anything having all the random gear makes them look more militia like. If anything just take away the vertical grips and other weapon attachments since that would be an easy rule to change and enforce.

[@axtel3468]

I mean if you want to keep with emersion Green Berets or a unit such as could be their training the militias and running missions with them. Not that I agree with what they were doing but just an idea.

[@axtel3468]

That being said watching more of the gameplay, GMR just doesn't play well with others. They seem to want to tell everyone else what to do and not listen to someone else, thought GMR was banned from MSW.

[@nomore1371]

This is intense! BB's all over the place! Chaos!

[@cyclonesfan7205]

I was there with the Green Beans. GMR went hard in the paint, I'll give them that, but imo they didn't play by the spirit of the game and I kept confusing them (and other militia forces in multicam PCs) for NATO.

[@nicholasgiampetro782]

I feel like it's not that big a deal, the fun for me in airsoft is the same fun I get in shooters, and since it is in real life there are no restrictions on what "game-modes" I can play. One day me and my friends will play TTT another at my local field engaged in a desperate defense. It's all just fun and games. I would love to participate in a milsim event someday, and I think the light restrictions on militia units has two benefits to the game an only one downside. Benefit one is for team balance, most people in the US will have NATO kits just because we live in the US so there has to be some way of making sure the teams are balanced. Second is to allow someone with a lower budget a way to participate in mil-sim introduce new people to the game. The downside is by far and away target ID though some of the guys on your team looked NATO which could be confusing for all sides so I feel color rules should be enforced more strictly(green=rusfor / tan = NATO). As for immersion I feel maybe a reenactment event could be ruined by it but these fictional NATO v Russia situations are more just for large scale airsoft battles.

[@tank4024]

GMR still slayed

[@andrew3810]

Are we uh..... Are we not gonna talk about the launcher that guy used? The shoulder mounted bazooka?

[@garrywhite13371337]

god i wanna play sooooooo badly. Hurry up April i want my sailent arms international DS 2011 5.1!!!!!

[@muhammadbinbilal7179]

the chaos is arousing

[@tori_yuki]

Im not as experienced as everyone else and have never been to mil-sim but i think it sucks the immersion is broken yes but not everyone can afford to buy completely new gear for an event so you cant really be mad at them

[@GB58389]

I'm pretty sure gmr can afford at least the simplest Russian kit

[@DesertFoxAirsoft]

They totally can, just choose not to.

[@anfpat]

He's right you know.

[@zigmundfreiheit7222]

@@DesertFoxAirsoft Maybe the GMR should be punched each for the same amount of times they have punched other players? Just a thought

[@NathanHErickson]

Ummm, so they shouldn't be punched?

[@DaveSmith-cp5kj]

It doesn't even cost much money to convert a NATO kit to a Russian look alike either. It won't be accurate under scrutiny, but accurate enough that is good enough for ID purposes. Then again we are talking about milita too so I mean it is even simpler.

[@brendanmatelan2129]

I think when it comes to following the rules, they technically didn’t break them, but certainly ruined the game’s spirit. Now I’m not saying all Militia should/can run M4s, Air Frames, and JPCs (you might see that in real world Militia units), but to be coordinated like that with almost everyone running it, definitely takes away from the Spirit of the impression.

[@deathsgentleembrace6926]

Personally the spirit of the game, overall, is to have fun. In some cases, few people have AR type weapons and NATO style gear already. So they use what they have rather than spending more money. However that's in some small cases. If a group got a pass from Cadre when the TACSOP clearly states that high speed gear is not allowed for militia and other equipment is frowned upon, at what point is the TACSOP even viable? Especially since Cadre make it seem that the TACSOP needs to be followed verbatim. Some people have to follow the rules and some others get a pass? Either enforce the rules or throw that rule out the window.

[@ghostlikecow4282]

the JPCs i dont mind as much but the MK18s and heavily externally modified rifles i dont like as much, even as just a viewer looking in at militia besides maybe an optic or grip, overall the 'high speed' builds people use alot in Militia annoys me. so I get the issue.

[@waynedobson1292]

Its a difficult one as some people are playing on a lower budget and cant afford to have various kits load out guns etc . Does add to it and also help to show who is who but should people who want to play milsim be restricted due to not owning the correct kit or weapon for the forces they are representing

[@MagusDarkness]

My biggest issue is team identification, if there is a chance for both teams to be confused, then don't accept it, it's a slippery slope. During a few airsoft events, I used to have problems with a few peoples, those were technically good in papers (full camo), however, they were wearing t-shirt, and their chest were unicolor, leading to not being able to id them (other team were unicolor). In a other event, my teamhad to assault a place, we've got the support of another teams in MC from an other side of the place. When we attack, we were against people with black shirt, and then we encounter enemy player in full MC gear. At the hand, i was shooting everything except my teammates. I can understand for the cost of a full kit, however, there is a few kits that is fairly low price, and might be used as militia or PMC for example. Used clothes, black t-shirt, old unicolor vest.... And if you can't make another kit, then explained to the orga before the event that you feel like your current kit might be better suited for another team, and you wish to switch in order to make sure no problem arise.

[@LukePRTR]

Yo lets play how many MK18s you can spot. Has to have the dd 9.5 noticable quadrail at the least.

[@Grim29]

Those dudes with the MARSOC kits had to be in a RUSFOR plt. I was Militia and didn’t see them in our plt.

[@LukePRTR]

we had 50 or so guys, we were an entire platoon of militia that ask months in advance for approval

[@Blubenz1985]

What rocket launcher is that?

[@afterparadise7425]

Blubenz AT-4 if I’m not mistaken.

[@jedidr4918]

How do I feel about players breaking the emersion? I’m on the fence, and a good reason why 1. Yes it sucks that they do this but what if it’s their only kit and don’t have the money to buy said uniform? 2. Do I wish someone would at least try to help them look better yes but will that happen probably not.

[@walterbryan1798]

I do understandJjet's point, but for people who want to attend the Op and have one loadout, you can't expect people to drop ~$1,000 on a loadout just so they can play one particular Op. Will they use the gear and gun other times? Probably, but still. For example, there's an upcoming Op south 2 hours south of us. We are going as civilians, but will be rocking M4s and Multicam kit. The TACSOP doesn't care what gear color, only uniform color. I was going to spend a couple hundred dollars to get a different rig, then I saw the TACSOP said gear color doesn't matter.

[@BisforBlyat]

You don’t need to drop 1k for a decent militia kit at MSW. Some surplus M81 and any cheapo chest rig can suffice. If you want to go that extra mile find some surplus russian uniforms, and Russian vests, but even then they wouldn’t be anywhere near 1k. My militia kit consists of a sumrak suit, black molle vest or partizan harness (very expensive option), and a ratty pasgt that I got from my friend for 50 bucks.

[@JacobN-hg8tv]

maybe they were playing as private military contractors? that would explain the really good gear.

[@FlankerJackChannel]

Is it just because people are playing on the Russian Force using M4 Etc? If it's supposed to be a militia which is a ragtag army definition to begin with, they going to use whatever weapons they have and if they have pilfered or stolen opposition weapons they will most likely use them.

[@tommymccoy5694]

Is that an 11.1? I need more snap

[@Harshhaze]

I think standardizing the kits (or having some restrictions) would help a bit. If you're a militimen, you're basically a civilian with a gun. Advanced militimen should have minimal tactical gear and minimalistic weapon kits, but eh, just my opinion for milsim

[@DesertFoxAirsoft]

This is covered in the MSW TACSOP

[@holdenmitchell7696]

“Milita”

[@TheR00k]

It's Opolcheniye, товарищ.

[@danafreeman8235]

Long live the Crown Vic!! Good video

[@cadesmith3496]

I see what you mean but still, not everyone has the money or the sponsorships to have all the gear to play each and every part.

[@totallylegit4092]

Next ask them how they acquired the gear as militia...as maybe they have a backstory for it. That should help the immersion if they did.

[@Makkgia]

If the guys of MSW work so hard to organize this kind of events, its correct as a player to respect o try to give back and play the role you choose.

[@hosschaos676]

For milsim I believe the main two forces should have accurate kit, the third party or militia forces should be able to wear anything else

[@curtisrodgers9004]

Ill say this playing russian, I run my team wendy LTP w/ a russian fast style helmet cover (playing as rusfor forces). Normally when Questioned on its "authenticity" i can reference images of russian forces in syria using this equipment( or very similar russian clones of). But using a mk18 no. That i cant get, RUSFOR should basically be AK pattern weapons or other russian firearms. Basic M4s though do make sense for Militia Forces though. And both Western, Russian and China supplied insurgencies are sometimes better supplied than you may believe. For those who think that wearing a Team Wendy is still too western, with the cover youd be hard pressed to tell the difference outside of the rails. And tbh ill take that slight bit of immersion as a trade off for safety. Concussions suck!

[@harveybritland3112]

7:03 What gun is making that sound, sounds awesome!

[@benzohar6639]

The only real problem I had with GMR that event was that the militia had better NODs than me... Gen3 14s shouldn't be chump change compared to the local goat herders. Their 3AM raid on our compound was mildly annoying to say the least. Waking up to all of our security groaning outside and there's a dude in NODs, a JPC and a MK18 in my team's room... who then shoots me after I stare at him for like 30 seconds because he looks like he's NATO and speaking English to us without an accent... Not really fun. Flashbacks to Grozny Insurgency: MSW's first PVE event... lol

[@jace4272]

That guns gear box sounds so good

[@danafrost5710]

How about JPC with Kalashnikov and Adidas track suit? :D Nice on that guy with ushanka - мой товарищь)))

[@Tallala]

As a militia player if many milsim gamez (+5), i do feel that MSW should bring alittle striter rules or make a game front where players with m4s can play with NATO

[@Codename_Horizon]

I do question the civilian stuff tho, since some MSW events have a civie team.