Milwaukee Drill Vs Makita Drill on the GRCS

[@jimbrady3538]

I'm researching a Right Angle Drill for hoisting a crew member up a sailboat mast - so this was a very timely test - Thanks! It was nice to see that both tools lifted a person - and for me speed isn't that important. I'm wondering if 1) with a pulley at the top - does that change the measured rating by half? (i.e. instead of the Mikita pulling 1840 lbs it pulled 920 lbs? ) and 2) were the tests done with the drills in low speed reverse - which would leverage the GRCS 10:1 ratio? Thanks again !

[@jimbrady3538]

I did a bit of research and have concluded that the single/fixed pulley did not change the pounds being pulled. That only occurs with pulleys that move with the objected being lifted (wish paid more attention in high school).

[@zaccheus]

Those are great questions! Just to add a little bit to your research on question #1- the pulley and sling that mounted the pulley uo in the tree would have seen double the force read on the load cell. (As much as 4,160lb on the crank test) Also, I have heard of pulleys reducing forces but up to 10% due to friction. So theoretically, if we loaded the load cell with 2000 lb, there is a chance the capstan was loaded with closer to 2,200 lb. We just set the apparatus up like we did because it most closely resembled an arborist rigging scenario. 2) Yes. We used the low speed on the drills and the low speed on the winch. The makita will actually lift a couple hundred pounds when turning the winch in the forward direction, I just didn't want to get that in depth this time around. Thanks for your comment!

[@liamgamble7986]

Its funny I was just wondering about this the other day. Thank you for taking the time to make this!

[@zaccheus]

You bet! I'd like to compare some other drills too. Just gotta find some folks that have them.

[@sizemoretreeworks]

That is not what I expected. I want an enforcer. I would like to see how the DeWalt 60volt does. My assumption is somewhere in the middle. Probably closer to the Milwaukee. They were still pretty close in lifting speed. This is the stuff we need! Love the video.

[@zaccheus]

I'd love to try the Dewalt. I think the low speed on the dewalt drill is spec'd at 400 rpm. I think it has a chance at giving the Makita a run for its money 🤷‍♂️

[@loucifer4205]

Dewalt would crush both no comparison

[@syrnik11]

Thanks for sharing your hard-to-find knowledge👍

[@zaccheus]

No problem!

[@JohnKrakatoa]

there is now the 40V from Makita that is basically the same thing but people say it is a bit better than the 2x18V and you can get an 8Ah battery for that now.

[@zaccheus]

I know! They came out with that right after I got the 36v drill 🤦‍♂️ I'd like to compare it. I just need to meet someone who owns one

[@schwartztekllc]

Higher voltage is always better when you want higher power density. More voltage means less amps and so less heat (wasted energy). That's why power lines run such high voltage, to reduce losses. Well that and to reduce cable diameter needed.

[@zaccheus]

Ohhh, that makes sense why Makita chose to wire the batteries in series

[@tholi1052]

Great video! Good to see the actual measurements when using the drills and the hand crank. I don't have a GRCS yet but hope to add one to the arsenal within the year.

[@zaccheus]

It can be a game changer! I hear occasionally about tree services they buy them only to let them sit in a corner, which is a shame. Once you start using it, it seems to become really handy on a lot of trees.

[@bioniclife]

Pretty cool test! Neat for a non tree guy to see how much capability can be packed in to a site in a bag.

[@zaccheus]

Haha thanks! It's an interesting industry where we either use stuff we can carry or we use a 60,000lb crane. There isn't much in between 😅

[@small-town-southern-man3573]

Thanks for this video. I have a Hole Hawg, but have been seriously considering getting a cordless drill to eliminate having to drag a cord through the job site.

[@zaccheus]

Glad it was helpful! I've never tried a corded drill so I can't really compare to that, but the makita has definitely been sufficient for everything I've wanted to do.

[@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648]

Really nice information on what you can expect if you use drills for lifting

[@zaccheus]

Thanks Michael!

[@spiercevaughn]

This was an awesome video idea! Super cool test and results 👌👍👊

[@zaccheus]

Thanks Pierce!

[@ronb4493]

Where can I get separate drillbits to operate in the Makita and or the Milwaukee please and thank you

[@zaccheus]

Just search for "harken drill adapter" they're available from a number of different places

[@joepaden7724]

In general do you think the GRCS is worth having over just a port a wrap? The price tag for it is pretty steep. We have an articulating loader so I've thought about using that to lift things if needed but obviously confined space sometimes makes that not possible.

[@zaccheus]

Yes, absolutely, 100%. It does take the right climber to make it worth the money. I use it all the time on trees that could have been done with a porta wrap. I can typically take bigger pieces with a lot less dy amic loading

[@4.0gpa44]

I use it on probably 1/4 of jobs and it's very useful. Just be wary of branch kickback. I make the cut nearly to the breaking point then get out of the tree to finish breaking it off with the GRCS. I got my leg bruised badly when it kicked back when I was in the tree.

[@zaccheus]

@4.0 GPA That's an excellent point about branch and frankly something I've been lazy about mentioning in my videos. I think the next opportunity I have, I'm going to make a video about how to make GRCS picks safer. As always, I'll hope that people will add tips and tricks in the comments to fill in the gaps in my own knowledge.

[@rorymcvay4641]

​@@zaccheus please do this. as a rookie who only recently bought his GRCS this would be huge for me.

[@zaccheus]

@Rory McVay Haha thanks for the vote.

[@schwartztekllc]

Years ago I had a couple DeWalt 18V tools but I quickly changed to Makita due to selection. Now I have a few Milwaukee 12V tools as their 12V selection seems better than Makita. I finally bought a couple Milwaukee 18V tools for their nailers. My cordless Makita top handle saw might out-cut my Echo 2511t, both with the same chains. I didn't like the idea of Milwaukee's huge 18V batteries - very expensive. Overall, I will continue with Makita as my main cordless tool.

[@zaccheus]

This drill is my only makita tool and it's treated me well this far 🤷‍♂️ some of their stuff is a little pricey, but I've really only ever heard good things

[@ThriftyToolShed]

Makita is impressive, but also about twice the price. And obviously twice the Voltage. I would like to see the DeWalt in the mix, but I have heard the E-clutch is not great under a strain.

[@zaccheus]

The makita 36v drill kit can be bought for $479 on Amazon and the milwaukee drill kit is $429 there. Maybe there is a place to get it cheaper, though 🤷‍♂️ I have a friend who has the 60v dewalt and we keep talking about giving that thing a try. Maybe I'll get a video made about it this winter.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

@@zaccheus I would like to see how the DeWalt does. I have seen some reviews that show it getting in a bind and not moving Fwd or Rev due to E-clutch, but I would guess on a slow steady pull like this test it will probably work better? I do see the price as you reflect above. The first Makita I pulled up on Amazon had the bracket with it for the Earth Auger to hold it with. Man, have you ever noticed they want around $870 for that kit with that bracket? ($710 tool only). That does not even come with any earth auger.

[@ianallsopp7582]

How many pounds is the grcs rated for? Obviously they come with a hand crank usually rather than a drill? How many pounds could you do by hand would you say?

[@zaccheus]

SWL on the GRCS is 2,000lb. I was able to generate 2,080 lb with the crank. I'm 150lb so I imagine someone bigg could put a little more on it, but it comes with specific instructions to not put more than one person on the crank.

[@arborup6527]

Hi! Thaaaaanks for this vidéo I was doubting about the makita and the dewalt but I think de dewalt is much more expensive so I will probably go for the makita knowing also that this work good! Wich kind of grcs it is harken 46.2?

[@zaccheus]

I'm working to set up a video with a Dewalt to test it too! It will be nice to compare the results of that drill too. The Milwaukee is the most expensive I think. I couldn't find it for less than $600

[@ItreboR63I]

MInd blown how much better the Makita is!

[@Sethhaun78]

Wow makita .surprisingly..at least on right angle drill.interesting

[@buckinbrewer9354]

You guys should try this test again with the pully in the canopy at different heights. It would be interesting to see what the difference in power would be taking consideration of the distance and stretch of the rope. I would guess a shorter distance is less stretch and more pulling forces.

[@zaccheus]

That's an intriguing thought! I pretty sure it wouldn't actually make a difference. Rope stretch absorbs and stores energy, but it does not limit the amount of force that can be applied.

[@buckinbrewer9354]

@@zaccheus makes sense.

[@zaccheus]

@@buckinbrewer9354 where that would make a big difference would be in shock loading. I have another video where we dropped a weight on different ropes. The stretchy ropes developed less force than the more static ones.

[@WoodCutr1]

corded hole hawg next? the old aluminum one, not this new plastic junk with the overload shutoff🤣

[@zaccheus]

Lolol, I'm not particularly interested in breaking my arm, but if someone had one, I'd be interested in giving it a try 😅

[@WoodCutr1]

@@zaccheus when you end up down this way, I will go buy one just to test it lol, I want one just for the laughs anyhow perhaps use a sling or twelve tied to my skidsteer to hold it, ive got a dinky little corded ryobi hammer drill (2 speed) and itll spin me around, cant imagine the holehawg

[@sizemoretreeworks]

Corded😂

[@zaccheus]

@Zinan Watts the makita will definitely pull itself out of your hands if youe not ready for it. The drill being so long is a key part of being able to hold on I think.

[@mattwood9981]

Good stuff.. I'd really like to add a GRCS to the arsenal..

[@zaccheus]

It is an absolute unit. I've never regretted buying one.

[@justinrutan1795]

Great informational video!

[@zaccheus]

Thanks Justin!

[@gregbrown9271]

Cool test man 👌

[@zaccheus]

Thanks Greg!

[@jakubhostinsky4482]

Thank you, my wishes was fulfilled. :-)

[@zaccheus]

Haha, I hadn't forgotten about you. Thanks for the idea!

[@brandonswan9247]

Since you seem to love playing with that load cell I have a requested video. Do some pulling tests like you would on a tree top. So straight pull with a man power. A little 5 to 1 setup a come along and then some soer of mechanical winch like your chainsaw winch.

[@jeffcoon7160]

This is a great idea.

[@zaccheus]

This is a great idea! Makes me bummed I sold my chainsaw winch. We could still do it with a 5:, rope wrench, one man, two men, etc. Maybe I could get my hands on a maasdam.

[@RiverCityTreeBroz]

“I like specs” skips to 5:30 anyways…. Thanks for the video!

[@zaccheus]

Lol, I just realized it was a little boring and wanted to give folks a short cut if they weren't interested in that aspect 😂

[@hosocat1410]

Wow. I did not think there would be that big a difference!

[@zaccheus]

Haha, me neither 😂

[@jamesmitter2186]

Milwaukee always for the win

[@zaccheus]

Lol, I used to think the same thing, now I'm not so sure 😅

[@stephencentola]

Interesting, not going to lie I thought the milwaukee would dominate

[@zaccheus]

Hehe, it was the popular contestant for sure.

[@brandonswan9247]

I think Milwaukee will do better. Let's see

[@brandonswan9247]

Wow. Makita smoked it. Impressive

[@zaccheus]

I know, it was a suprise!

[@HaroldRidgeway74]

Now lets ask the real questions, what about one of them 30$ Chinese ones off Amazon?

[@zaccheus]

Lol, should I compare that to a screwdriver?

[@HaroldRidgeway74]

@Zaccheus i mean, I would watch it😂

[@HaroldRidgeway74]

And just wanted to add on one thing. There is a huge difference just alone in the cells the batteries use. In theory amp hours shouldnt matter in this application. It should be all about voltage for power, (saying this before watching makita) But even using 18650 cells in the batteries vs 2100 cells can make as much as a 10% difference

[@HowardWaggoner]

Milwaukee should win.

[@zaccheus]

Haha! A common expectation for sure!

[@groundpounder24365]

Nice information

[@zaccheus]

Thanks!

[@geoffreygreen297]

Dewalt

[@zaccheus]

Haha, I'd like to try one of those too! I just got to find someone who has one to let me try

[@austinsmith3749]

Milwaukee

[@austinsmith3749]

Welp I was wrong. Thanks for sharing Zach & Zach. Side note…If you guys had a tree company together it would have to be “ZZ Tops” or “ZZ Tree Toppers” 😂

[@zaccheus]

Haha, that's a fantastic idea 😂

[@dutchdog804]

Had me cringing just watching waiting for something to pop!

[@zaccheus]

Tell me about it! I was a little scared standing right next to things there 😅 I don't believe we exceeded SWL on any of the gear though 👌

[@Gor1ockBlah]

Milwaukee 6.0 ah high output is the strongest battery. Edited I forgot to add "For the M18 Milwaukee line up"

[@zaccheus]

It's a shame it doesn't fit on the strongest drill 😅

[@Gor1ockBlah]

@@zaccheus I believe there is an adapters that can change that. But you would have to get two of them.

[@zaccheus]

@gorlock2282 Oh, I gotcha. It might be worth the adapters. Are they the strongest because they can discharge the fastest?

[@Gor1ockBlah]

@zaccheus yeah. It's battery cell are different. The 12 ah battery is for holding a steady load. The 6ah and 8ah just dump the power into the tool. The 6ah is the best at this. But I don't know about the new Milwaukee batteries. Plus the the super hawg is an old tool now. I believe mikita has a more powerful tool out now a 40v. As yours is a 36v with two batteries. Milwaukee 36v lineup is called MX but I don't believe they will even make a angle drill in MX. It would be a fat tool.

[@zaccheus]

@gorlock2282 I did see that makita does have a 40v drill now. I was originally hoping to use the 18v and 36v nakita chainsaws, but they're not very good.