Minding Our Language - Uster-Scots (part 2)

[@del5582]

As an American with an interest in linguistics, I found this documentary very interesting. I wouldn't want to live in a world of linguistic conformity, in which we all spoke one language exactly the same, and in which all accents, dialects and regional variations died out, but it's still ideal to be able to be educated and "switch" to Standard English when need be, and have a solid grasp of it, for education's and global communication's sake. They speak great English in Scandinavia on account of their education system teaching it from a young age, and undoubtedly the Nordic economies are strong partly on account of that.

[@KeiPyn24]

As a Southern American, much of our struggle and language which has been eschewed as ignorant in use is quite familiar in structure to Ulster Scottish. This same assertion that Southerners are ignorant with our colloquial sayings is akin to British English being forced upon the Irish and the Scots, as Northern US English forced upon Southern English.

[@johngough2958]

A remarkable and informative program. I'm from Drogheda originally, but many of these words and phrases we're in common circulation when I was growing up. "Not as green as you're cabbage looking" was one I heard a lot. Totally agree with keeping bureaucracy out of it - getting letters from the Irish Tax office starting with A Chara (Dear Friend) didn't do much to promote the Irish language I can tell you.

[@xangpee8271]

It would be pretty cool to see a similar documentary on the Yola language, a sister language of Scots and modern English which all three languages descend from either old English or middle English

[@Ammo08]

My great-great grandmother was from Ayrshire..she came to the United States in the 1860s and settled in Mississippi. My Mom told me that she had a beautiful, lilting voice when she talked.

[@marystilwell9312]

It may be interesting to see how the Ulster Scots language became the basis for the Appalachian people’s language of the United States where many many Ulster Scots and Irish people migrated to after immigrating to the United States in the 1600 and 1700’s. I am a descendent of those Ulster Scots and of Scots Irish of Antrim and also of Scots from Argyllshire, Scotland being a descendent of the Clan Lamont who fled to Antrim during the Dunoon Massacre in Scotland. The Appalachian people to this day speak with specific dialect separate of other areas of the United States and it seems to have followed them as they themselves migrated west and into Kentucky, Missouri and Arkansas, often known as the Hill people. They also were most likely to inter-marry with the Native American peoples. I believe this was because they themselves were often a mixture of many cultures and had acceptance for blending in with other cultures. Enjoyed the video’s. Filled with lots of knowledge and humor!

[@brucecollins4729]

the ulster scots language is basicly scots.i believe the actuall scots have been in the the carolinas since the late 1500s. lowland scots.

[@larryreese6146]

@@brucecollins4729 ah, that may be true but I believe that, if you check, those early arrivals settled along the Atlantic Seaboard which to the people of the Piedmont was almost a separate country east of the mountains. It was the Ulster Scots or Scots Irish who settled the Piedmont and points west, beginning in the 1700s when those lands became available. They came by way of Pennsylvania. There were a few Scots, mainly Campbells, who came into the Piedmont area by way of Cape Fear. Those Scots were loyalists and became some of the first casualties during the Revolutionary War when they tried to cross a bridge and clash with Ulster Scots on the opposite side.

[@brucecollins4729]

@@larryreese6146 first of all, you have to remember most of these ulster-scots would have still been full blown scots having lived in ireland a few years or even months then leaving for the americas. the earlier scots would have assimilated with the english/welsh/dutch and germans then just becoming american over time. there would have been scots/english/welsh/german and dutch on both sides of the war. you might not know it but there is a scottish influence in america. fiddle music and sangs. some words. clog dance would be from england or wales. jamestown(named after a scottish king) where the first substantial amount of settlers arrived, mainly from england. gospel singing may have it,s roots in scotland. www.dalhousielodge.org/thesis/scotstonc.htm

[@larryreese6146]

@@brucecollins4729 yes Bruce. All that is true. Along the Atlantic Coast and east of the Appalachians there were people from everywhere already settled, everywhere from Sweden, Netherlands, France, the low countrys, all over the British Isles. The same was true later with settlement beyond the mountains, Welsh, Germans. But the main thrust for settlement beyond the mountains came from the Ulster Scots. They arrived late in lands already taken up by earlier settlers and went further west. My paternal family was said to be Welsh, arriving in the 1700s. They first moved to Western Maryland but because of unsettled land disputes between the colonies They removed from there to Pennsylvania and from there they moved down the funnel between mountain ranges into the Carolinas and then to points west, picking up a good amount of Native American bloodlines along the way. But everything known about my early American family points to their living among, intermarrying with, and immigrating with the Scots Irish. I believe those old Scots Irish were the major influence, spreading out from those Appalachians, for the settlement of most of what is now the United States. Just my opinion.

[@brucecollins4729]

@@larryreese6146 scots-irish is an american title. in ireland they are known as the ulster -scots(that,s scots who were forced over during the highland clearances). there are scottish indian chiefs with scots ancestry i.e ross/ macintosh and more.there,s more scots influence in amerikay than you know. these earlier scots would have assimilated with other groups to just become american over time since the late 1500s/early 1600s. in these periods as i say these scots would have eventually lost their own identity.

[@jwilly40]

What is English but a amalgamation of German, French, Latin,and Norse. Of course Ulster-Scots is a language.

[@jetwaffle1116]

Alba gu bràth it was a Celtic language in the beginning after all

[@RosemaryStudy]

I was born in Antrim, live in the US, and wrote my Masters Thesis on the Ulster-Scots and Rhyming Weavers. Rural poets wrote in Ulster-Scots prior to Robert Burns.

[@xangpee8271]

I found it really interesting as well the way in Scotland the Scots language, although spoken by the majority of the population whatever their political views is actually more affiliated with the Scottish nationalist cause in Scotland and almost represents the seperatness of Scots from English, almost a Scottish language for a Scottish people whereas in Northern Ireland the Ulster Scots language almost definitely represents the Union between Great Britain and Ireland and is almost (although a complete descendent of Scots) the opposite of what some people may the think Scots language represents. Very interesting...

[@CinCee-]

The loyalists are a confused bunch

[@heathbraxton584]

I am surprised that the Scots Parliament is housed in such an ugly, hideous building.

[@emscott2705]

Yes, it's a truly hideous, cringeable Parliament building. Whoever commissioned it should be shot.

[@taofanarchy96-renzomaracas14]

The most surprising (and infuriating) fact is that, when Devolution for Scotland nearly happened in the late 1970’s, the proposed Scottish Assembly was meant to be housed in the building at 17:36. Much better.

[@whutteretbrock2181]

Minding our language means "remembering our language" in Ulster Scots

[@perendinatorian]

and in english lol, like ''mind your manners''

[@paulrimmer2853]

Thank God that was in plain English.

[@Rakonax]

ulster scots id cool, but i i had to choose which language revival should be focused on it would clearly be irish

[@autumnphillips151]

You don’t need to choose, and Irish gets a hell of a lot more attention and resources focused on it than Scots, so it’s Scots that needs more support, not Irish. The revival programs out there for the Celtic languages are well-done, but the Anglic languages other than English are struggling.

[@autumnphillips151]

Irish and Scottish Gaelic are both on Duolingo, even, but there isn’t even a standardized version of Scots, and people don’t even really know what it is.

[@joegill3612]

The problem with programmes like this is their refusal to accept that English as described is the Queen's English or BBC English. Something the majority of English people don't speak. Study Yorkshire dialect or any dialect from the south west of England and we could make similar points. But then the Bruce and Stewarts were French and the Tudors were Welsh. Real English has always been looked down on, even in England.

[@mrsrjlupin3650]

The Tudors were a bit Welsh; Henry VII's father was from the Plantagenet branch that were awarded lands in Pembrokeshire and his mother was from another branch, both descending through the Plantagenets from the Normans, as did the ruling elite in Scotland,

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[@puma1304]

as a South American with Basque-Irish roots who neither speaks Euskera nor Irish, but Spanish and English, this was an interesting video...