Why It's Almost Impossible to Gain Body Fat From Eating Protein

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[@keywestfan2503]

The shittiest, poorest quality meat still blows plant based meat out of the water in terms of nutrient density

[@extratropicalcyclone8567]

So a rotting piece of meat that gives u diarrhea is better than pant protein?

[@ThrallFrostwolf7]

@@extratropicalcyclone8567 yeah but it will give you diarrhea

[@gaythugsmatter7029]

@@extratropicalcyclone8567 good for cleaning out your bowels

[@MrTraveller.]

Healthy clean eating ( no processed or sugar) High protein Healthy fats Low carbs ( early in the day ) Daily Exercise Intermittent Fasting 16/8 Fasted cardio ( black coffee) Full body workouts 9hr sleep & supplements Work for me. Love this channels content. Thank you

[@MultiStar84]

The Fasted Cardio is a myth, low carbs is a myth, 9hr sleep not necessary. Fasting not necessary.

[@winstonsmith11]

You're not fasting if you drink coffee. Literally anything that isn't water breaks the fast. Js.

[@MultiStar84]

@@winstonsmith11 NOT TRUE AT ALL.

[@Thezuule1]

You'd burn more calories doing cardio if you weren't fasted because you'd have more energy to go harder during your workout. If you're ultimately going to eat the calories eventually anyway why not just use them to fuel your cardio?

[@MrTraveller.]

@@Thezuule1 thx 4 the feedback

[@lsporter88]

Very important info. Thanks Fellas.

[@Itallmakessense556]

I love this podcast man this shit is brilliant I’ve learned so much in two days

[@sarahe7avcampos934]

Video look great! 💖😗

[@bethany_irl]

“Cause I remember these things” (Adam mocking sal) I’m still cracking up 😂😂😂

[@bigbill4317]

Outstanding

[@AshPaddyM]

I remember I did Atkins. Dropped 20lbs in about 4 weeks. Ate a lot of meat and not much else. I remember never being hungry, but got to the point where I didn't enjoy eating.

[@westhoodqualzini7884]

As long your in a caloric deficit your going to lose weight. It’s not rocket science.

[@RamseyLEL]

That was exactly my issue. I dropped 43lbs in a little less than 2 months on carnivore. I was satiated, felt good, and able to fast for 3 days easily. But I've loved to cook and try different foods ever since I was a kid. I got to a point where I was just so bummed out with meals every day bc of how boring it is. Smoking, sous vide, air fry, etc all felt repetitive and boring.

[@DaveE99]

I’d like to see them have a discussion with david Sinclair on the mtor thing. He runs a longevity lab. I will admit he isn’t trying to bulk up clearly but it be still an interesting discussion

[@levansegnaro4637]

To increase lifespan it's best to limit motor activation. So if you're gonna do a high protein diet make sure to do plenty of fasting. Fasting increases ampk and lowers mtor

[@AbfittIFBBpro]

30 years of practical hands on experience down in the trenches training clients of all walks of life, all fitness levels with a wide range of goals. From the postpartum mom to the IFBB pro physique competitor and everyone in between. It always comes down to balance (protein, fat, carbs and the supporting micro nutrients) The basics (training protocols) and diversity (nutritionally dense whole foods) consistently over time. No monk like living required. There will always be some variables but it comes down to simply mastering the basics. I get it, its not sexy. You cant package that philosophy and sell it. However it doesn't change the fact that this approach works for long term sustainability and optimization of one's personal health and fitness goals.

[@jasmines9228]

Whats the perfect breakdown? 35%carbs 45%protein 20 %fat???

[@C_Harper]

@@jasmines9228 I’d say the perfect breakdown would be bulking for me is 50% carb, 30% protein, and 20% fat. But for cutting, maybe lower the carbs 10% and the fat by 5 or 10 percent and up the protein

[@jasmines9228]

@@C_Harper thank you!!!!:)

[@jasmines9228]

@@C_Harper sorry last question. I am 5'7 if I want to lose fat and gain muscles (losing fat primary goal), what is the best calorie amount. I don't have access to the gym, so I do insanity/p90x and a lot of walking. I have about 20 pounds to my ideal weight.. I read a lot of different suggestions? You have a lot of experience so I just want your take !:) Thanks !

[@C_Harper]

@@jasmines9228 I would do a thing that Greg ducette( forget how to spell his last name) does it’s called “maingaining.” Basically your 100-300 calories below your maintenance and lose fat slowly while still keeping the muscle you have. That might not be ideal cause we all want to lose fat fast. But if you go without 700-800 calories your gonna lose fat but a lot of muscle. I would watch Greg ducetts videos on losing fat because he can help a lot

[@SloansAbroad]

20 weeks postpartum with baby #4. Still recovering, but on high protein diet at the moment. Great milk supply and dumping weight like crazy.

[@b.newsome8696]

Mom's rock.

[@Dollapfin]

Stay wary of bioaccumulated toxins in animal products. Eat leaner and cleaner meats and focus on eating plants that aren’t sprayed that often and don’t accumulate heavy metals. (like rice and mushrooms grown on chicken manure). That shit can mess your baby up for life.

[@SloansAbroad]

@@Dollapfin Eating all the red meat. Mostly carnivore, been eating this way for years as a powerlifter. Thanks though. ;)

[@SavAJ23]

@@SloansAbroad are you getting in organ meats, eggs, dairy, etc?

[@SloansAbroad]

@@SavAJ23 Yep!

[@Pbuilder]

As a lifelong vegetarian, I hate beyond burgers. You can cook your own burgers at home with good protein sources and it will taste amazing

[@shawnpilgrim2355]

Been doing keto for a few years. My muscle mass has not only gone up but also if I overeat in calories but still stay in ketosis, I can lower my calories over the next few days and because I’m using body fat, I’m not as hungry as I would be eating a moderate-high carb diet. Also, think about humanity that lived in cold climates, all they had to eat was animals aka only protein and fat… which is ketogenic.

[@Jerry_TheFitnessMessiah]

If you want extremely pumped up muscles. CARB UP

[@afrodude4782]

I'm eating a bowl of scrambled eggs, ground turkey and shredded cheese with 3 hash browns while watching this. By the time I ate over half my protein and 1 hashbrown, I was already forcing myself to finish my food from getting full.

[@GordonLF]

So true.

[@jacintatate]

Should carbs and fats always be lower than protein intake? I find it hard to eat enough protein without the carbs along with it.

[@DominicanOps]

This is one of the greatest nutrition videos on KZbin. I consistently share this to folks who are looking for that first video that will guide them on the right path to proper nutrition. Mind Pump is the true gold standard on fitness knowledge.

[@kylejj8317]

What do you guys think about the supplement DIM FOR MUSCLE GROWTH IN MEN.

[@johncalla2151]

I don't think it helps with muscle growth.

[@AboutThisMuch]

Curious to find the study he mentioned where protein increases loss body fat and gained muscle regardless of caloric intake. Anyone have it or what I can search for?

[@k1mura92]

It doesn't exist. It is physically impossible to lose bodyfat while in a caloric surplus. The surplus of energy must be stored as fat. It is by definition not used.

[@AboutThisMuch]

​@@k1mura92 Not true, if you are in a caloric surplus + resistance training, that energy can go to muscle growth vs fat storage, no?

[@k1mura92]

@@AboutThisMuch Well if you are resistance training, you are inducing a metabolic process which requires energy. Lets say that your weightlifting takes your TDEE from 2500 to 2700 kcal. You're not in a surplus in the same way you're in a surplus when you are gaining fat - the energy is being put towards a bodily need - to increase muscle size, induced by your resistance training. You could think of it another way - a teenager that is growing has a bunch of metabolic processes that will require him to eat 3000 kcal to maintain his body fat percentage, but he will gain 20kg of lean body mass from age 13-18. Is he in a caloric surplus or eating at maintenance? The way I see it, and which makes sense to me, is to say he is eating at maintenance because he is eating the amount of calories his body and metabolic processes needs. If he were to eat 3500kcal, he would be gaining fat - he would be in a surplus. The key thing here though, is that you cannot "increase fat loss regardless of caloric intake", because fat loss is a consequence of being in a caloric deficit, and nothing else.

[@shawnturner7064]

If you eat more than you burn off it does not matter if it is protein. If you over eat you will put on fat.

[@shantavetyan4053]

A pound of chicken breast is like 700 cals. If you just ate chicken breast, which isn’t great nutrition-wise, you’d have to eat 3 lbs of it just to maintain (for most ppl).

[@jeredpecoraro1668]

Come at me with a brisket. See how “it’s hard to overeat protein” goes right out the window.

[@bryceherring946]

You guys make a good point about protein but going a step further, this is mainly from animal based protein. Protein from snickers bars is not the same or as filling as real, whole food from animal based proteins. You should further emphasis animal products and or animal proteins, otherwise ppl will point to any food that contains protein. Humus contains protein but is not nearly as filling as complete animal based protein.

[@winstonsmith11]

Yep. Pretty much any way you shake it, animal protein is superior to plant protein. Full amino acid profile, greater bioavailability, satiety, etc. Vegans really are making things very difficult for themselves, mostly in the name of satisfying their misplaced empathy. If they truly understood how nature operates, the moral dilemma becomes quite clear. I do understand not wanting to support factory farming, but there are ethical alternatives.

[@dhruvmeena96]

Its possible via gluconeogenesis

[@keywestfan2503]

There has been some recent expert debate as to whether protein actually has caloric value. Fats and carbs are energy substrates but protein is more of a building block. Since protein is not “burned” for energy, does it have fuel value that would equate to a calorie?

[@brookstringer7384]

4 calories per gram of protons, excess protein gets converted to glucose and used as 'fuel'

[@keywestfan2503]

@@brookstringer7384 Not true. Has been shown in several studies that gluconeogenesis is demand driven, not supply driven. Excess protein is mostly excreted as nitrogenous waste.

[@brookstringer7384]

@@keywestfan2503 interesting , i suppose the only way to experiment would be to place someone in a caloric suplus with no exercise on a strictly protein only diet ( would be gross ) and see if fat is accumulated which i think would still be the case.

[@Brando69420]

1 gram of protein has 4 calories, so yes it has caloric value

[@brostefff8272]

@@keywestfan2503 but wouldnt that still mean you wont lose weight? at the very best, you might maintain weight but not lose fat. but there is still holes in the argument becasue who is to say that the setpoint for the demand is not getting driven higher and the body isn't simultaneously putting on fat for future survival. I think there is a lot more variables and interactions in play that we dont understand, and it is not so unilateral as only protein = no fat gain.

[@Dono.N]

Body tries to burn Carbs or Fat of fuel. It will always use Carbs first so if you want to burn fat you must restrict or eliminate available carbs. Body usually take about 3 days of super low carbohydrates and high fat diet to switch into fat burning mode (aka Ketosis). Once in Ketosis restrict your portions to the proper amount and frequency for your goals. You can do this by paying attention to your stats like, glucose and ketones and weight fluctuations on the scale and if you are body building track those and adjust your portions and dietary fat levels accordingly. Proteins = No weight gains Fats = Can Gain Weight Carbohydrates = Can Gain Weight

[@rockon8174]

0:37 i used to do that all the time. Just got fat. Potatoes are still calorie dense.

[@MrWingiii]

Uh there is a protein intake threshold and anything over that is converted into sugar

[@richcollinsyt]

It’s also impossible to derive satiety from only protein

[@mosesstrange9753]

“Mamillion” 😩😩😩😂😂😂😂

[@cuzakuru]

Carbs is the killer its processed into sugar once you eat it

[@edschobs5204]

Liver king is all about that liver!

[@jonrawls]

My son just introduced me to Liver King's channel yesterday.

[@chansermish2406]

Isn’t too much protein bad for your liver and Kidney?? Like in your 60s you might get renal failure

[@stonedscared8461]

Unless you got a vitamin b6 deficiency.

[@johncalla2151]

I think for people who are doing a traditional "bulk" with a high-protein diet, it can be a source of fat gain that most don't really consider.

[@king-qi2ks]

Nah, usually people eat more protein on a cut. Because when your on a bulk your already eating so much calories so you won’t need as more protein

[@C_Harper]

@@king-qi2ks it also way easier to get protein on a bulk

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

No. You store the excess fat as fat..... Far is effortlessly stored as fat, protein isn't, carbs aren't either. The myth must die!

[@johncalla2151]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Right, but the excess protein is oxidized for energy and while that's happening, fat is being stored as fat rather than being used for energy itself. Just like with carbs.

[@awesomesauce3110]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 😂😂 no. NOT the same thing!

[@aroundandround]

Misleading title.

[@Nico.Rabeee]

There is the rabbit starvation experiment

[@piecesofme8531]

So that means protein calories don't count, right? It works for me. Eating 2500 calories a day, but 1200 are from protein. Technically in a calorie surplus but still losing fat...

[@drc4688]

If you eat 1200 calories/day, does that mean you’re eating 300 grams of protein/day?

[@piecesofme8531]

@@drc4688 Close to it. 270-280g

[@sami-uj1oj]

Because you are on deficit.

[@ChocolateMilkCultLeader]

When I do lots of meat, I gain weight. Turns out I have infinite appetite for that

[@brucefly3612]

2:42 It's not that, proteins transform to fat less than carbohydrates, sugar and fats, and they are also the most saciating compound out of the 4, which makes getting weight very hard (fat weight), the one that transforms more to fat lipids is, you guessed it, fat, then sugar, then carbohydrates and last proteins, ketogenic diet is really good too lose weight for this reason, you have a high protein diet with some fat (less than proteins obviously) with only a bit of carbohydrates and little suga, it's almost impossible to gain weight in this die, carnivore is also good to loose weight, but it's slightly less healthy, but it's still a really good option to loose weight, much better than most diets we have nowadays.

[@mountainlife2411]

Stuff I heard on JRE.

[@DaveE99]

I just want to be a jacked old guy one day, by then all the ladies will want you lol.

[@ninkasa8692]

Get your cholesterol checked also don't get polyps.

[@Joseph1NJ]

Everyone agrees we eat way too many omega 6 oils.

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

Now do carbs. We must bury the myth of calories-in-calories out!

[@darkoale3299]

What myth? Understanding CICO is essential if you want to lose weight. Simple fact.

[@TheRealRealOK]

Man, I did strict high protein carnivore (just beef, salt, and water) for 5-6 months (after doing regular carnivore) and I gained fat. I was also always hungry. No idea why it didn’t work well for me. I did better lowering my protein and increasing my fat.

[@sternits]

Just shows that there’s not just one way to eat for everybody. We’re all unique. The more protein I eat the less I want to eat. The more carbs I eat the hungrier I am.

[@bigmanrockin7327]

If you're eating anything, i repeat anything above your caloric needs it ends up at lipogenesis. They've to include terms and conditions too!😅

[@AB-yp7sz]

You were eating in a caloric surplus. I don’t necessarily recommend the Carnivore diet but if you were to do so again, make sure you are eating below or at maintenance, and focus on getting strong asf in the gym, I guarantee you will improve your body comp

[@TheRealRealOK]

@@AB-yp7sz Sure, I am in the gym and doing well. I was just saying that for me high protein wasn’t satiating at all. It was very easy to overeat beef.

[@TheRealRealOK]

@@bigmanrockin7327 Yes. I needed more fat to avoid overeating protein.

[@SBillings]

POTASSIUM CHLORIDE

[@carloslabanda5402]

Chocolate protein powder made me fatter, but not pure protein :D

[@MultiStar84]

I can eat a shit ton of protein and still be hungry as hell, idk who thinks its so satiating.

[@Nuclayer]

its only satiating up to a point, then it has really big diminishing returns. after about 1 g per lb of LMB, its drops off significantly.

[@eriksucioboy686]

I think it depends on what kind of protein because I can eat a bunch of protein bars and snack on whey all day without getting full but compared to eating something somethings like chicken, that shit fills me up

[@MultiStar84]

@@eriksucioboy686 yeah man I think that was my problem I was addicted to protein powder and still am

[@jpizz88]

@@MultiStar84 As in whey? If you haven’t, try casein, works wonders for my hunger.

[@sackofpeas2470]

@@MultiStar84 You answered your problem. It is easy to eat a bunch of calories with Whey protein powder, as you're generally just drinking it down. Eating actual meat will fill you up far more than protein bars or protein shakes.

[@prisonmike3856]

Not true at all. Look up gluconeogenesis.

[@archie12345]

What's not true at all?

[@sairathealchemist]

Beyond Meat is the go to Vegan meat, but Impossible burger overshadows it because it taste closer to meat and it’s everywhere. Look at Impossible Burger, it’s not sold at local health stores that focus on non gmo and organic foods for a reason while Beyond Meat is sold in those stores.

[@awesomesauce3110]

Both are 💩

[@stefansly1990]

I'm not vegan or even vegetarian. I eat fish and some chicken but I do enjoy the vegan meats. It's impressive how far that came and from a guy that used to eat all meat decades ago those veggie meats are 95% accurate and I eat it to contribute to killing less animals even though I still eat fish but Kurt Cobain told me it was okay because they don't have any feelings 🙃 🤣

[@Davidson640]

Your logic is fucking astounding

[@keekeejenkins6162]

vegan meats?

[@MartoDriftz]

What I've Learned - Are Cows really Bad for the Planet? Why did we start blaming them? (Watch this video please mate, in full and then come back, or even watch 'The Sacred Cow' or read it from Robb Wolf and Diana Rodgers. They're both hugely informative on the idea of living away from meat and only from vegetables.

[@michaeltamares7974]

Umm. I eat for health.....not animal ethics

[@seanmiller292]

All vegans go crazy eventually...

[@chadd980]

These guys underestimating how filling fiber and plant based protein is. I dare anyone to try and eat 2500 calories of beans and broccoli on a day and tell me their still hungry. Plant based protein isn't just beyond meat, lol

[@RavenHillReadiness]

Plant protein is not the same as animal protein. Fiber isnt filling, it makes you bloat and gassy which makes you feel uncomfortable not full. Animal protein will make you feel satiated, not blowing out of your pants full.

[@chadd980]

@@RavenHillReadiness lol. OK whatever you say

[@sackofpeas2470]

Plant protein isn't equivalent to animal protein. Animal protein is more nutrient dense, more bioavailable, and contains more of the amino acids we need to survive. You generally need to eat around 1.5 - 2x the amount of plant protein to equal the same amount in animal proteins. Eating too much fiber is also bad for you, as Darren points out. It easily leads to bloating and can cause you to get severe constipation or diarrhea. Not to mention the higher production of gas.

[@chadd980]

@@sackofpeas2470 explain how any of that has to do with satiety and fullness? Which is what my post is about. Lol

[@RavenHillReadiness]

@@chadd980 animal protein is a complete protein. Your body can absorb over 90% of it. Plant protein is only 60-80%. Animal protein provides satiety without bloat, unnecessary gas production, or bowel irritation. Pound for pound. Animal protein wins in every category every time. Fiber “fills you” but not because your bodies nutrient needs are satisfied. You are simply full of shit. Which is why people on a high fiber diet shit 12 times a day.

[@aroundandround]

Too much bro juice oozage vibe this show with three above average heavy dude dudes.

[@heronfields5923]

God put certain animals on earth for us to eat because if all the nutrients. Everything in moderation!

[@remcorutten4270]

I like my real meat dont want magic meat

[@Davidson640]

Says a weak argument after saying it's a weak argument

[@sleepy5315]

Thermodynamics says otherwise

[@seanmiller292]

Impossible burger is garbage food lmao.

[@davidhall390]

Calories in vs. Calories out. Don't over-complicate it. If your maintenance calories are 2500, and you eat 3000 calories worth of protein, without sufficient exercise you will gain fat.

[@edwardhuang3751]

This is not true, the only thing that matters is your caloric intake. A person who eats 2000 calories of ice cream is going to weigh less than someone eating 3000 calories worth of beef.

[@floridaman6982]

This was the disclaimer. They specifically said your exact post, the catch is one fills you up the other make you feel like eat more and more.

[@mightydook]

Hot tip * You Can be vegan and NOT consume meat substitutes..

[@bmp713]

Calories are calories no matter which macro-nutrient. Yes protein is much more satiating but I guarantee you will gain fat easily from eating excess calories from protein. 100% guaranteed.

[@archie12345]

That's a tall claim 😂

[@Brando69420]

@@archie12345 and a true claim

[@twowheelsquirrel]

The opening statement... I'm no scientist (obviously). That said, there's in my opinion 1 easy way to think of this. Stupid. Protein contains calories. An increase in calories = an increase in fat.