Mindscape 229 | Nita Farahany on Ethics, Law, and Neurotechnology

[@justanothernick3984]

Good luck trying to figure out what's going on in a head where the one already occupying that space can't figure it out. Check-mate!! Sean Carroll is one of the few in this pop-science space worth following. He doesn't make heavy contributions to the contemporary culture disputes and that is a feather in his cap. Many thanks, Sean!

[@PilsnerGrip]

What an amazing episode, I learned so much!

[@trevorcrowley5748]

"just because you can predict the position of the pig's leg when it's walking on a treadmill, that doesn't then automatically mean you'll be able to read thoughts"

[@Life_42]

Great conversation!

[@socksumi]

This reminds me of the Telosians on Star Trek who are able to read minds and force illusions. "Wrong thinking is punishable, right thinking will be as quickly rewarded... you will find it an effective combination".

[@marquac]

Excellent episode.

[@gsilcoful]

Thank you very much.

[@origins7298]

This is like saying blood pressure measurement tells you when someone will have a heart attack! Measuring blood pressure is a good tool, but it doesn't tell us how long someone has before their heart gets out. Measuring someone's brain state might give you some insight but it doesn't tell you what they're thinking or what they will be thinking or anything like that. Our brains are way too complicated and The way moments play out is way too complicated to predict!!!!

[@bendavis2234]

Exactly, I think that it’s easy to get paranoid about new tech, especially when you’re not sure exactly what it’s going to look like.

[@charliesteiner2334]

There's no amendment that says a dog can't play basketball.

[@bjpafa2293]

So funny. Are you refering to a rabid dog?

[@genghisgalahad8465]

Social media has short-circuited or worked around the right to remain silent.

[@life42theuniverse]

I think, until we have much discussion on this issue, our brain should remain read only!

[@HarryNicNicholas]

don't you mean write only?

[@life42theuniverse]

@@HarryNicNicholas Write only would be the permission to modify the brain. Read only would be permission to listen to the brain. Further I don’t think thought should be indictable. Think about murdering me all day. Judge a person on their actions not their thoughts.

[@chrisayad0]

@@life42theuniverse is speaking an action or a thought

[@HarryNicNicholas]

the idea that i could dictate to my phone instead of typing and taking notes occurred to me years ago - but i still haven't used it yet. i have a variety of hand written short stories i want to digitise and dictation would be perfect. but i keep forgetting i can do it!

[@helicalactual]

This is great work. Thank you! the "ounce of prevention vs a pound of cure" is brilliant! i enjoyed the ideas very much. much like competing! also what do you suppose would be the outcomes of "competitive Buddhism" would be?! lol i love it. how do you feel that "understanding" would be impacted? like what new games and cultural advances may manifest?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

25:00 in my head i'm a terrible person, i really dislike people in general and as i spend most of my time on my own, coupled with being cynical, i think if my mind could be read people would be fainting, i spend my day in a kind of silent turettes in fact, swearing at everyone and everything. but when i get into conversation and actual interaction, i really like people, enjoy company, like to help in any way i can and for some people i give up a lot of my time and energy to them.

[@hokiturmix]

Ghost In the Shell. That is all about complete cyber brains inside our skull. The application can be viewed as similar. A scene where the Boss Aramaki can fact check what a person claims before his eyes. In India the famous case where a brain activity reader can not differentiate between your imagination and an actual situation which happened. The battle of wills is an every day ever lasting war within me. I believe that we can do mistakes but sinful things does not exist.

[@socksumi]

I'm trying to figure out what's going on in her brain. On one hand she claims to be an advocate of cognitive liberty, on the other she's very excited about this technology in action and has even raised the possibility of using it in coercive methods in the legal system.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

48:00 the question "what happens when we all have AI at our disposal" popped into my mind, will we all become super rich? AI can still make mistakes, can still be misinformed....

[@sarveshpadav2881]

This episodei reminded me of the anime psychopass lol

[@HarryNicNicholas]

45:00 could that be used in defence "eating healthy foods and getting plenty of sleep is cheating?" "he drank too much coffee!!" ?? are there "enhancing drugs" though, while i was watching "limitless" it occurred to me we don't have any drugs that make us genius' - they tend to make us dim or hallucinate, but not 'increase' brain power?

[@bendavis2234]

You’re right, there is no drug that can make you pass a test that you haven’t study for. You still have to put in the work to learn the material, whether you’re on stims, coffee, etc.

[@HarryNicNicholas]

art. that's the comment.

[@raminsafizadeh]

Couldn’t this have another scenario on its horizon? Namely, forced radical honesty (lol) which forcefully liberates us (here is an oxymoronic paradox for you-lol) from our fears. Fears, which makes us lie to ourselves and make for miserable choices! In terms of secrets, what was once a dark deep secret is now a recipe for making money and called self biographies (ghost written)! Lol In legal context, is this that far different from the use of lie detectors?

[@bjpafa2293]

The jinn is out there in a cyberpunk form... Genies are outdated✨🙏 Congrats. It's lost fight, but weren't all, before getting anywhere? A path could involve anonymous internet collectives...

[@HarryNicNicholas]

smart tattoos. that's the comment.

[@bjpafa2293]

Now, you have a smartphone, smarwatch, there are satellite on orbit, street cameras, Bluetooth, cellular towers, and a Cloud service with humans, prepared, educated humans on the end of that, teams, multidisciplinary approach etc. Do you do what you want or just live rolling dices? Is it intentional behavior already lost, are you living randomly, knowing that is a joke to statistical analysis? Or are you contradicting yourself?