Minecraft 1.21 might kill servers...

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The new update 1.21 and snapshot 23w42a is announced and im honestly very excited! However i think there will be some server performance issues stemming from the crafter, especially sindce it combines redstone and entities in a single thing, it worries me a little bit.
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[@Nord_Act]

As of autocrafting, gnembon, the author of Carpet mod, recently (about year ago afaik) became a dev at Mojang. As of todays snapshot, also feature of manipulating game's tick speed was added. Both of those features were already in Carpet in some way. So I wouldn't say it was inspired by content mods manually, but just gnembon seems to be busy at least partially integrating Carpet features into vanilla in some way or another

[@Cygnus_MC]

Fair enough!

[@ssupermarlo]

let's hope we see movable block entities next

[@_shadow_1]

​@ssupermarlo I hope there will be an option to turn that off for servers because that's likely going to cause major server lag and a whole bunch of little exploits as well.

[@EKPB]

Tick rate were in bedrock edition a long time ago though

[@emilydavidson8844]

@@EKPBno?

[@widdershins-dv2wn]

"A mob that can turn into a block is a cool idea" Shulkers:

[@Cygnus_MC]

I meant more when they feel threatened

[@rukeyburg1084]

Shulkers are by concept a block. An armadillo _becoming_ a block is something different.

[@fox2code]

The crafter issues is not about dropping items (droppers exists already), it's that it's known that crafting table code is a bit slow. And the spawner checking for player is not any type of new load, as mob pathing code already check for players around them. I would see lag machines that constantly switch the active recipe of crafter be potentially viable, but the good old piston lag machines will always work.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Fair enough

[@deltahl]

Can't a plugin check which chunks are lagging the server the most and disable redstone within them for like, 5 minutes, and not enable it back while the server doesn't reach an acceptable TPS?

[@bacalhau_seco]

​@@deltahli dont think chunks lag individually, but i do think a plugin that limitating the number of crafters per chunk, could be doable. But still, i personally dont think this will lag servers, as players wont be activly trying to lag the server they play on. As the owner of an anarchy server, bots and ddos are more likelly to happen than lag machines

[@deltahl]

@@bacalhau_seco Pior que em anarchy ficam tentando, sempre que tem muitos jogadores novos entrando alguém faz lag machine para ficar ruim de jogar, não gostarem do servidor e não voltarem mais. No Constantiam o James volta e meia bane alguém.

[@bacalhau_seco]

@@deltahl meu, ainda hoje um puto estupido crashou o server com aranhas levou tempban de 3 dias e ficou a chorar que não era anarquia a serio

[@leochangesnames]

Since it's the crafting that's the laggy part of autocrafters, I honestly suspect that regular crafting tables are easier to use since you can swap what they are crafting much faster. Spawners heavily depend on implementation, so I can't say anything about them right now.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Im waiting on more data for a follow up

[@Samstercraft77]

if you've played something like tekkit you'll know how essential and useful autocrafting is. set it up once, benefit forever.

[@wiss_yt]

-i probably think the mob spawner will have a cap limit, and also it has cooldowns, we don't know how long they will last tho. but one thing you havent mentioned are the rewards you get when defeating the trial spawner: will they vary depending on the number of players? and also it was shown they drop diamonds, i hope its only a temporary item tho, I don't want diamonds to be farmable(not server-breaking but still wanted to mention that -the breeze may or may not cause lag idk and also offtopic but i really want a tool overhaul, mending is way too op, they said one day they'll change it tho.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Honestly i just want to put a breeze in a room with buttons and tnt, see what happens

[@justkittensbeingkittens5892]

Breh why do you want mending to be nerfed. Just bc it’s op doesn’t mean it’s bad and needs to be balanced.

[@toast1410]

1:25 "a mob that can turn in to a block" **vine boom** **shows a pic of the shulker**

[@tehbeard]

3:35 Honestly, the Trial Chambers feels more like a riff on Decked Out or Vault Hunters. Maybe more so decked out with the "trial keys"

[@midnightMorpha]

honestly create is such an awesome mod so i sincerely hope you cover it!!

[@RngGm]

Why would the trial spawner be a lag problem? It only has to check for players when the spawner is active Minecraft can already tell if players are close to each other without any lag problems, why would the trial spawner be different?

[@Cygnus_MC]

Interesting, i think how i see it is that it could be an issue if more then 1 person stands next to it, will it spawn more then the other spawners

[@enrikes9877]

Your point with the crafter dropping items is a valid point but already exists with droppers and dispensers. So servers already have plugins that clear all items on the floor every so often. Also your spawner concerns, I don't think it will be much of an issue because you can already technically do that with the current spawners. And even then, mob cramming is a thing which will limit how many mobs can fit in a space. Also with the long cool down, your better off using a regular spawner to lag the server with mobs.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Yes but its still waiting for it to trigger. If the tick takes too long then it doesnt happen

[@QueenLizby]

as a redstoner, I tend to avoid servers in general since they tend to see even a small build as a threat to server Stability (tho they are right to fear my unchecked potential), I HATE the crafter conceptually. I don't hate auto-crafting entirely as it's own concept but I REALLY hate any block that spits out entities other than droppers and sometimes dispensers, and I don't like the crafter being a SINGLE block item with such a low cost.

[@noelka8134]

I don't think that the performance issues will be very big, and the update itself is pretty cool... but it isn't doing anything that mods can not (and mods already do this for a very long time), so i personaly still do not have a reason for returning to minecraft. The last update that i think is really cool is 1.18, because it was mostly about polishing things that are already in the game (worldgen, mining, etc.) instead of trying to create new but unnecessary things.

[@justkittensbeingkittens5892]

Bedrock players don’t get the benefit of mods, also free server hosts like minehut don’t allow free mods afaik. Us java players don’t reeeeeally need it bc of mods but having it integrated would be better for slow pcs and bedrock

[@noelka8134]

@@justkittensbeingkittens5892 i feel sorry for bedrock players tbh

[@malicedragony6931]

​@@justkittensbeingkittens5892Addons exist

[@noobishgamer995]

the biggest lag is the redstone clocks . or the fast one tick clocks like 2 observers looking at eachother. feels like the redstone clocks that run , and the giant use of hopper pipes etc .. being used will be the issue. giant auto sorter rooms can already be laggy. . cant imagine that on with autocrafting behind it . will be interesting

[@noobishgamer995]

what the game needs is a optimization update after this one

[@owiedepowie]

In minecraft live they said that they have a team that's working on inproving the code so that they have more possibilities when it comes to updates from what I understood E: meant the moment on 31:50 in the livestream, but they said they're working on tools that makes development faster, maybe a bit of improvement to the code but not the intend

[@Cygnus_MC]

Oh shit thats awesome!

[@Wiloxe]

If memory serves right was it not BuildCraft that added the AutoCrafter and not IndustrialCraft?

[@Letseatsomepizza]

This is a nice sized update, I remember a video that said the real issue with 1.20 was too much content stacking on the overwhelming ones before it, and, luckily, thanks to 1.20 being smaller, we got a lighting update to help Mojang catch up on their tech debt. Hopefully, like 1.15 Buzzy Bees, 1.21 can also be a performance fixing update, I already see some players asking for leftover and patch updates. In case your wondering what video I'm talking about, this is the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnXZgatjd9p8h9k

[@justadude1495]

So far I have rarely disagreed with your opinions in videos but this one rubs me the wrong way a little too much. 1. "Crafter spits out entities when powered by a redstone signal" - Yeah, as already pointed out by others in the comments, droppers exist and would've already done that. Don't see that happening with crafters more than droppers. 2. "Floating sea of entities on the floor" - Once again, droppers are capable of the very same thing and I don't see any potential new threat from crafters, actually droppers are probably worse as they can have a hopper and chest feed a lot of unstackable items into them and go with a fast clock. The crafter has to be filled with items to craft first and then powered only after that. At some point, the entities will despawn and make any further lag vanish. 3. "Heavily influenced by Create" - What? I've not really played the mod but I think this is a little far fetched don't you think? Create is SO much more than this little crafter can do. I think that's mostly a coincidence and not THAT much more. 4. "It [the crafter being a copy of Create] was out of spite" - What?? Mojang has taken inspiration from mods throughout history, how is THIS suddenly out of spite? Isn't it a positive thing they're motivated by what the community seems to like and then implement similar things in their own fashion? I really dislike the attitude here, not gonna lie. The rest regarding the new spawner was rather fair but either Mojang or Spigot/Paper will add their optimizations and limit it easily, so I see little problems with this either. Slightly underwhelming video from my point of view, it really seems like the opposing side wasn't even considered or anything, making it feel somewhat "out of spite" from you and your first impression that you had which, as I said, wasn't the kind of impression I had from your videos so far.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Sorry to disappoint! Like i said this is more a speculative video as we dont have a lot of info. But that beeing said, thank you for speaking out! People like you are exactly the type of people i want in my community

[@mrdoor12323]

I really hope it does not cause much harm to servers since i run my own minecraft server

[@Cygnus_MC]

Same

[@OneOhOneGaming]

Let's just hope that PaperMC fixes this

[@Cygnus_MC]

Its likely they will

[@defaultly]

Nah, quilt is way better

[@Useott]

​​@@defaultlywe are talking about server software for vanilla servers, not modded servers

[@robertcioveie8113]

I doubt anyone's gonna be able to lag with the crafte since there are easier ways to do so. The crafter can craft as fast as you can power it which is gonna be faster then fuel it with 5 hoppers. Unless someone wants to grind for undreds of stacks of blocks and grafter just to lag for maybe a minute it's not gonna be worth.

[@thegoldenatlas753]

Before i get into the video, Im not concerned about the autocrafter, the guy in mojang who pushed for it is the guy that made the Scicraft server's mod for autocrafting. Id worry more about the server economy systems more than anything.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Fair point atlas, as usual!

[@ImCrowned76]

1.22 should be an optimization update, for both java and bedrock to recieve but in different ways. *Change my mind.*

[@Yasser-444]

it's more inspired by Carpet mod instead of Create, they literally added /tick command yesterday!

[@Cygnus_MC]

Oh shit, awesome!

[@skidwardshlongington8025]

Mojang keeps stealing from tango Tek and getting away with it

[@johngrable8001]

I have a decent GPU and still can't run base java on lowest settings without massive frame drops😢

[@Cygnus_MC]

Minecraft is more cpu bound rather then gpu, so getting a better cpu or faster ram should help

[@fine93]

no, they added crafter cuz they got a new developer thats a technical player, who focuses on automation and farms, crafter has been requested for years by the tech community the crafter and tick commands were part of his carpet mod, which is focused on giving you information about the game, probably other features from carpet mod will sneak their way in, for future updates

[@Samstercraft77]

this is nothing like create and everything like many other successful tech mods. out of about a dozen mods that i know have autocrafters create's is the least like vanilla's. and copper both needed a use and is an essential material for many tech mods

[@Cygnus_MC]

Yeah ic2 also springed to mind

[@Samstercraft77]

@@Cygnus_MC and ae2, gregtech, enderio, cyclic, rftools, and more i cant remember rn lol its a feature very high in demand so im so glad mojang finally found a good way to add it

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@Samstercraft77 that brought some nostalia back

[@Samstercraft77]

@@Cygnus_MC lol u should play modded 1.12.2!!!!!!!!!! /hj theres this cool server u might find interesting if u like modded tho its called kuba's modded factions it would be interesting to see something like a history of modpacks with the early mods like buildcraft and stuff lol

[@asdanjer]

Non of these fetures are rather laggy thogh. In my expienreces the biggest sources of lag are Pathfininding of Mobs, Colisions of large mob groups and generally entities. Crafters dont really spit out more entites than dropers. And neither are Mobsopawners rather lagy. at least in comparision to things like viligers or hopper minecards.they do a lof of checks but if you just compare it to generall mobspawning it isnt really that relevant. also the playercount check is (if implemented corently) only executed once makining it an absolut non issue. even if it did check all them time it still woudnt really be that sigificant. As for people creating lag on purpose - this is so extremly easy that there are thoaseds of ways anyways unless the server is heavly limited in its vanilla featureset so it isnt really anthing new. like a 1 block chicken farm can bring any server down. just as much as dumping hundreds of thousneds of items. or just having a bunch of viligers. or good old redstone based lag maschines. I mean those are massive issues when you try to minimize it while building farms not to mention when you do it on purpose.

[@arseneglimmers]

i dont know how any of this technical shit means but this is pawesome :33

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks shartscene

[@arseneglimmers]

@@Cygnus_MC my name isnt shartsene

[@ModernAdventurer]

The server in question: 1mb ram, toaster cpu

[@Mabra51]

Didn't the chat report already killed servers ?

[@thegoldenatlas753]

Don't forget the skin report shit too. Servers can't even protect you against that

[@Cygnus_MC]

I wouldn't say killed, chat reporting is easy to work around. Skin reporting is worse

[@1Kekz]

5:28 *were

[@zen_craft_animation]

Here the thing minecraft servers not vanilla or realms are not mojang issue or responsibility as you need an 3d party version of they server jar to do th type of things

[@ShiftSad]

Paper will fix this in a day

[@Cygnus_MC]

Seeing as paper took a month last time. I hope ur right

[@ModernAdventurer]

the crafter is a dropper with extra steps.

[@andrechaos9871]

Are you a potato?

[@Cygnus_MC]

No a rock

[@Mabra51]

Isn't the autocrafter kinda useless ? I really don't see the point of it.

[@caosin3667]

Usefull for builders

[@mystic-malevolence]

Folks who use elytra will appreciate it for mass crafting of fireworks, and anybody who uses a lot of dispensers is going to be real happy to not have to click in the bows individually

[@Cygnus_MC]

I personally am going to use it to mass craft tnt

[@humourlessjester3584]

99% of players that use them will use them for auto compactors. Very useful for iron, gold, copper, bamboo, and bonemeal farms, to name a few, potentially increasing a single chest's capacity 9x over. Its greatest potential, however, comes out once you have a goal of items you want to autocraft and you're challenged to squeeze as many farms as possible in one location. For example, I just got an elytra to fly, I need to build a creeper farm to fly continuously so I build a creeper farm. But since sugar cane farms are so easy to make, what stops me from just making one nearby and connecting the two to produce fireworks directly, the circuit of which wouldn't even be too hard.

[@Samstercraft77]

@@humourlessjester3584 for gold farms basically 81x

[@robinhood184xD]

stopping people from saying first (first btw 😂)