Minecraft Is Good, Actually: A Response to JetStarfish and MewZe

[@ThatMumboJumbo]

This is a great video, and I couldn't agree more!

[@thehayze259]

What on Earth, It's Mumbo! I'm a huge fan dude. Thanks for checking it out! I appreciate that you were willing to comment on my video, you're easily the biggest youtuber to ever comment on one of my videos lol

[@ArtemisWasHere]

wait what? Oliver what the heck are you doing here? Well now I have to watch this video.

[@skullzans]

I personally think this video is slightly misleading due to a bias against combat and a bias in favor of building, but I agree with a good chunk of it too. I do hope that things work out ofc, but I personally believe minecraft is becoming too focused on things being about arbitrary requirements and realism over fun.

[@lobsterlunchbox7581]

@@skullzans yeah I like combat redstone exploration and building equally

[@Grayson-tk5hn]

WHOA ITS THE BRITISH REDSTONE GUY

[@tuttosansbazuko]

The reason "enemies get harder after beating a boss" works in terraria is because after said boss is dead not only are anemies harder, but new ores, weapons and other tools also become available. if Minecraft gets harder after beating the dragon it should have lots of more content after that so eventualy the harder enemies are no longer hard

[@TheCookiePup]

That would be a part of a huge End update, whether that happens in one or multiple updates.

[@suharb5014]

as well as "keepInventory" being a part of normal expirience. Maybe you could get soulbound type enchantement after beating dragon?

[@Wrekina15]

plus, Terraria have keepInventory by default, and tools and armor don't break

[@elementalgaming517]

@@Wrekina15 tools and armor dont break, but beginning tools are painfully slow and even after you upgrade youre always going through the same thing as minecraft with you need iron to break diamond and diamond to break netherite, except in terraria its much longer because there are over 20 different ores in the game with offshoots like being able to make shroomite from chlorophyte so theres technically even more. so even though tools dont break thats more of a blessing given that there are so many tiers to work through and progress with. terraria also has shop npcs but with real money or coins, you drop that on death reguardless of difficulty, so a similar comparison would be losing your emeralds, or even just losing your xp levels, and maybe following terraria in that sense too making it so the difficulty modes like easy you have keepinv, medium you only lose your xp, and hard you drop everything

[@chewy99.]

Yeah that would be cool in Minecraft. I do so what see the point of the first guy in this video, since for people who moreso want to fight and get better gear, Minecraft can be kinda boring sometimes.

[@LilacRose-rp8vw]

The thing jet says about Minecraft in only becoming faster and faster to “beat” is really ironic considering that there is an entire community that benefits from just that.

[@staringcorgi6475]

The opposite is actually true because of brutes being an obstacle which is why speedrunnera stick to 1.16 before the brutes

[@FoxGameCZ]

Speed runners love to go fast 🏃

[@bobertastic6541]

@@staringcorgi6475not all of them, a lot learn around them and run on more recent versions

[@A59ri]

“minecraft is boring” people when they realise minecraft is based on having fun instead of beating the dragon

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@A59ri also there’s mods and mod packs that let Minecraft be a progression oriented game.

[@iTrapa]

Beating the dragon is actually considered a chore in my friend group at this point. People would literally pay diamonds to get others to deal with it and unlock elytras for everyone.

[@justpassingby298]

Oh dude in a usual playthrough I barely even think about the end. Literally it took maybe 2 weeks for me to do end stuff in a modded playthrough once

[@tftc97]

lmaoo

[@EvilParagon4]

Considering diamonds are good for making good gear, you could consider it less as payment and more people investing in those players who will solve the problem and then they get a return on investment with safety and/or elytra.

[@aniimaii]

I put it off because the end is so depressing and the dragon honestly feels like a forced execution instead of fighting an evil creature

[@pokepoke1889]

I wish I had a friend group to play with

[@MewZe]

This is a really well thought out and said response. It's clear you have a lot of passion for this game, and if I'm being completely honest with myself, I've come to disagree with and personally dislike said video of mine. While I stand by a lot of the points I made in my video, such as feeling that the developers are holding back on making bigger changes to the game, I also just personally don't enjoy Minecraft that much nowadays and I believe that led me to be more critical of the game; I don't really play Minecraft enough for my opinion on the game to be that important. I usually try and make it clear that my videos aren't to be taken too seriously, but I agree that my negative opinion of the game isn't helpful. (Do still think the Warden doesn't count as a boss though.) Great video!!

[@thehayze259]

This is a much more nuanced response, I really appreciate it. I also think that the recent changes have been somewhat lackluster. Thank you for commenting!

[@Pink0face]

@@thehayze259I have a question. You seem surely passionate about Minecraft. Can I ask how many hours you probably play per week? I’m not trying to be rude or anything, I just find that a lot of people who act like they love it don’t even play it more than like an hour per week

[@bals1632]

​@@thehayze259 You mentioned the Warden being a boss. In my opinion the Warden doesn't count as a boss. While you may disagree, I think bosses absolutely require something in return for being beaten, and being able to sneak past it to collect swift sneak and a music disc isn't really what I mean. Beating the ender dragon grants you elytras and pretty much a whole new dimension, beating the wither grants you a wither star for a beacon, and raids (which I do consider a boss) gives you hero of the village and pretty damn good drops, not to mention it's a good challenge even in late game. But the Warden offers nothing, not even an achievement. I could be on board with the "you aren't meant to fight it in the first place" if by removing all the sensors and possibly cleansing the ancient cities or something you'd get a reward. It doesn't have to be anything big like the portal turning on, in my mind I could imagine maybe a new companion in the form of a baby warden which targets and kills enemies more efficiently, possibly from a distance using it's laser which would be useful against annoying mobs while you're building (yes, that includes phantoms) while not having to worry about them dying due to having more health. You could say this makes dogs practically useless but even with the new dog armor I doubt many people keep their dogs around for anything other than company. Ofcourse you'd only be able to get one warden pet per lost city so you wouldnt be able to make an army out of them. I feel like we're missing more protective pets as the only use for cats and parrots are to look cute

[@jlo9993]

@@Pink0face lol i think this is more of a "i don't like minecraft -> i don't play it often" more than a "i don't play minecraft -> i don't like it"

[@miimiiandco]

@@Pink0face I'd say one of those people who really likes Minecraft. According to my Minecraft diary, I play about once or twice a month. Whenever the inspiration strikes me, I play, usually for a few hours.

[@bujitself]

Fuck the loot. If you're a cave player, you want the BIOME. In deep dark, there are no mob spawns so if you don't need them and you want to live underground, deep dark is like a perfect place to build your base if you deal with everything else

[@bucketbuoyancy235]

Really? I had no idea mobs don’t spawn down there. I need to play more Minecraft 😂

[@RealCtc]

​@@bucketbuoyancy235yea, the only thing that can spawn there is a warden but that is only after 3 shrieker activations

[@PyroMancer2k]

"You take an arrow to the knee and 1 damage" Sadly you can no longer be an adventurer and have to retire to your farm slowly working on your base.

[@thehayze259]

"I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee."

[@BLET_55artem55]

I see fellow men of culture over there

[@gerinko7874]

Nah, you gotta guard the village and be an annoyance to the next adventurer to come through.

[@FoxGameCZ]

Skeleton did no scope 360 on me now I am a farmer

[@Cookinlikesanji]

Sadly. Your mother bathed you in the river Styx. You die instantly.

[@kingster14444]

The "old Minecraft" most people are apparently nostalgic for is still there, it's never left. If someone likes the calming atmosphere and the simplicity of making a house, you can still do that!

[@ZomboidMania]

I'm an old Minecraft guy, and I like the look and feel of older Minecraft, I'm playing on Minecraft Legacy edition (1.12 I think) I've never liked how slick so many games nowadays seem to look, especially sequels, kinda like AC brotherhood compared to AC 2, (thank god revolutions fixed it LOL) anyways yea older Minecraft just better to me and modern Minecraft just feels too weird, I'm probably the minority here but I think some people share my opinion

[@beowulfcole4173]

It's because they equate their experiences playing the game with their experiences in youth, they're nostalgic for a time in the past, not the actual game

[@ukaszwalczak1154]

@@beowulfcole4173 Like Jack/Sean once said, you don't miss the old times, you miss being happy.

[@Waspinmymind]

@@ZomboidManiak, like old Minecraft didn’t disappear. U can play it now. What does your reply even serve.

[@Briskeeen]

​@@ZomboidManiathe game looks and plays exactly the same, what???

[@SomeRand0mNerd]

I started to not like jet as much after his most recent video was "hey guys exploration is bad because... uhh... you can fix it by giving me $8 for my patreon for a mod!"

[@polocatfan]

breaking the EULA btw

[@SCP-173peanut]

Yeah that's straight up illegal cause you can't force people to pay for fan Minecraft content

[@rateeightx]

Yeah, There were some alright ideas in that video (Although I do disagree with its premise), But charging people for a mod did seem kinda scummy, Especially as honestly it didn't sound like that many features. I get that he's not making it himself and has to pay someone for it, And he did say in a pinned comment that he intends to make it free eventually, and that the paying can be considered more of an "Early Access" thing, So I won't hold it _too_ hard against him, but it does still feel kinda scummy and dubiously legal.

[@boxcarz]

The Physics Mod's "Pro" edition already got thwacked by Mojang for EULA violation, and I CANNOT WAIT to see this man cut down a notch for his hubris as well.

[@Excepnexcep]

meh, he's not forcing you to buy it, and I think at least some of the ideas were worth considering. Seeing as he didn't even mention the mod until the end of the video, I think it's uncharitable to try and paint that as the main point of the video. Saying "I don't like the premise of the mod" and "I don't want to pay for the mod" are valid criticisms, but together they work to undermine each other

[@IceFireofVoid]

I think too many people conflate "this isn't useful to me" with "this is useless". It's a sandbox game that is infinitely customizable where you are supposed to make your own meaning. Each player is going to approach the game differently and get different things out of it, and what is useful to those self defined goals is unique to each of those players.

[@alkimos55]

The thing with older Minecraft content, is that everything had both a practical and decorational usage. Nowadays most new content is much more useful for builders... like coppper. Other ores have both a practical use, but can also be used for deco, but copper is exclusively deco. Everything else is useless for some folk, me included.

[@IceFireofVoid]

@alkimos55 This is hardly new. And copper isn't even a fair example because copper ingots can be used to craft lightning rods, spyglasses and archeology brushes. The copper blocks are decorative yeah but so are quartz blocks, and stone bricks. Every flower is decorative and had always been decorative until they added bees which flowers could be used to breed. You can craft dyes with flowers, but that gives you more decorative components. There's iron bars, which didn't have the functionality of fences because mobs could jump over them, like panes of glass. There's carpets. Minecraft has always been a game about building first. Complaining about new stuff *now* being build focused feels so cherry picked especially when we get so many new components for other aspects of the game each update like new structures to explore and new terrain generation, new components for Redstone, new auto farms, stuff like powdered snow that has multiple different uses very variable uses, new functionality for existing mobs like magma cubes dropping new light sources after frogs got added and we are getting a brand new weapon with completely exclusive mechanics in a couple weeks. Dripstone gave us infinite lava generation for the first time. As well as being a block that amplifies fall damage which has its own uses. The entire aspect of Redstone is something I have never engaged with, and yet I wouldn't complain about it being there even if the only use Redstone dust ever had for me was extending the duration of potions, which is a system that very few people used but that I had always had a lot of fun with. I don't like PvP but there are entire PvP servers. I never liked the wolves in Minecraft but a lot of people love them. The thing with features that do not personally appeal to you in a game like this is that you have the freedom to not engage with them and the people who do like them get to still have fun. Saying things that are just flat out untrue about some of the updates and additions to the game just to justify why you personally do not like them is silly.

[@alkimos55]

​@@IceFireofVoid All three things you listed, which can be made from copper, feel pretty useless to me, and most other folk. Granted, I didn't get to try the brushes yet... but the lightning rod is only used very rarely, maybe to coax some rare lightning interactions with certain mobs to happen more controllably... and the spyglass is rendered useless by zoom mods. Quartz at least has the advantage of giving you a good amount of XP when mined, basically making it an easily sourcable XP ore. As for stone - it's stone. You'll end up with chests full of the stuff anyways, and bricks are nice to build with, even for someone who isn't that big into building. Flowers are indeed majorly decorative, but since they've been in the game basically since forever, and stay out of your way, no one would complain about that. And yes, iron bars, carpets, etc. are also very decorative, but were one of only few blocks that are purely deco. They added just enough deco to the block pallet of the game whilst now, all the new stuff is adding way too much of that, I feel like. As for those new structures and features - I have never felt a reason to seek these out. Even Ocean Monuments, which have been in the game for a while, feel more like an annoyance, than a place worthy of seeking out... It just feels like we're being giving solutions to non-existant problems. I suppose the only good thing that came outta that is the dripstone-lava mechanic. Redstone is one of the couple things I actually quite like, as it allows you to add a good amount of automation to the game. Aside of cheesy farms, I mean. Though I don't see a need for the sculk sensor... The deep dark is yet another biome I just avoid, and it gets quite in my way when I strip-mine, which just makes that whole thing an annoyance to me. Oh yeah, PvP is often pretty crappy. I much prefer PvP that focuses on building, ironically enough. It's much more interesting to build fortresses, traps and defenses to fight with, rather than just getting into senseless slap-fights, or doing some dumb minigame... and yet that is the only popular PvP stuff, it seems. I do agree that you have the freedom to simply not engage with the content you dislike - my point wasn't me trying to argue against that, either. It's just that in recent times, the game's updates have caused an evergrowing inbalance in all these flavors of content, and that naturally upsets some people. And again, with how people play the game differently and enjoy things differently, they also make use of new features differently, and thus value those features differently. So when I say that a new item is useless, that is from my viewpoint. I totally understand that other people might find use in it, themselves.

[@IceFireofVoid]

@alkimos55 Sooo...conflating "this isn't useful to me" with "this is useless".

[@fosterbennington6405]

@@alkimos55 I find Sculk sensors very interesting, I love the idea and implementation. And while I don't like the deep dark itself, I'm glad it exists because it added a way to essentially store xp in block form. I also like Ocean monuments mainly because I need sponge more often than one would usually expect, and it also gives me nostalgia back to a time where sponge was unobtainable.

[@ManagerBlackwood]

I'm gonna be honest, any video with a title similar to: "Gaming isn't fun anymore" is usually a red flag.

[@ArtemisWasHere]

The people making those videos come off as extremely pretentious don't they?

[@pancakes8670]

​@@ArtemisWasHereIts like they want to make their own problems everyone else's

[@Daralexen]

I agree. A lot of those videos come from people that are very close-minded. they usually just play the same 3 games or same 3 genres without giving anything else a chance.

[@themc3140]

Agreed. I can't take any video like that seriously with the indie scene being the way it is. And, in the case of Minecraft, 1.21 has been an amazing update so far, and there are always other ways to fix perceived issues.

[@cooldloop2381]

The industry is going downhill, including Minecraft and if you deny it you are denying facts.

[@mr.markstar]

Dear KZbin algorithm, please keep me on the “Minecraft is actually an amazing video game and we should appreciate it exists like it does” side of KZbin, PLEASE

[@MusTheFan]

That side of KZbin is small, because the game is bad

[@GoldNSilverLuigi]

Honestly I've had it with so much of these "umm ackshully the game u like objectively sucks because so n so" video essays. The ones that actually explain why stuff works is neat just cuz i get a new perspective on why i like a game.

[@aristoddle7947]

@@MusTheFanYawn get better bait

[@Hammer389]

​@@MusTheFan least obvious rage bait be like:

[@MusTheFan]

@@aristoddle7947 @Hammer389 Hi, could you please turn off notifications for your replies, I was taking to Mr markstar

[@uncreativename364]

12:10 This bit’s pretty funny in the context of comparisons to Terraria, since in Terraria, skeleton enemies actually DO start using guns after defeating a certain boss.

[@messiyer13]

Only in the late-game (when you have guns), though, and the bullets are slower than you think. Still fun though

[@Huntonius4]

@@messiyer13 not the skeleton snipers, though. Those bullets are just as fast as in the sniper rifle they drop as an item, and deal similarly powerful damage.

[@gerinko7874]

That’s the post-plantera dungeon, skeletons are either melee or use bows at the start of hardmode (the comparison being made in the video)

[@gerinko7874]

@@messiyer13You can get two guns pre-boss (Boomstick and Minishark)

[@W2nps]

People just want Minecraft to become 3D terraria

[@gmannn-yd8ie]

Ironic since when terraria released people kept calling in 2D Minecraft

[@deadhelix]

I hate this cause I want the survival to be improved but in a way that actually fits minecraft and wish more people played dont starve to see the potential mc could have. I remember my friends first time playing it said “this feels like if minecraft survival mode actually felt like survival” and the game still follows minecrafts simple progression and sometimes simpler. In Dont starve the armor is so simple its either you aren’t wearing it so you are weak or you are and no longer get deleted, there’s only 2 sets of tools and the upgraded one is optional and you can get the best items in the game in caves on day one if you rush to it. but the game also has mountains of content that again is mostly optional but useful to your survival you end up seeking it out. MC adding trial chambers feels like that first step in a proper direction and having maces and wind charges that don’t replace any existing item and have unique uses is what the game needs. I also hope MC continues this path because recent dont starve updates seem like the devs are falling into the terraria vertical progression hole with adding a “hard mode” and gear specifically for it and that new direction worries me. Terraria works well with that because it was built for it, not all games need that

[@Nukarot]

There's actually a Terraria mod for Minecraft

[@mosshivenetwork117]

Tbf Terraria has a wide variety of everything and would be fun if it was 3D

[@Nzzertral]

The thing that’s most ironic imo is that current day terraria is more inline with notches original vision for Minecraft than Jebs current day version of Minecraft. The only thing Jeb really does better that could improve on notches idea other than his ideas for exploration is his whole “more unique, not better” rule when it comes to tools, weapons, and armor. But notches version of Minecraft was definitely a more of like an exploration sandbox game with moderate rpg elements kinda like Terraria is rn I don’t want it to be exactly terraria, but I do want more bosses and reasons to explore and feel like I’m progressing the game a bit more. Pretty much I just want more stuff to do in a single player world to keep me motivated on playing. It doesn’t have to be complex, or incredibly unique because I think the simplicity is part of its dna and I just want more reason to explore. I’d even be happy if they just added the content from the spin off games like dungeons, legends, earth and story mode

[@nguyengianguyen2587]

A summary of “Minecraft is boring” typa video: -They talk about the entire history of Minecraft. -They talk about the problem that Minecraft have that actually is a mechanic in game. -Their nostalgia took place. -They start getting jealous with good builder and redstoner. -They give a solution that: 1. Already in a game but they over look. 2. IT ALREADY A MOD IN THE COMMUNITY

[@RalMaybe]

Lol literally. how do people take a game that allows you to customize and change it to be nearly anything and still find ways to make it boring for themselves.

[@AbnormallyIdiot-m3o]

This is true, but people should be able to experience new additions to the PvE combat system and exploration without downloading mods

[@caramel9154]

@@AbnormallyIdiot-m3o they could use the items in game

[@minifyesnumberonehater]

“But first, we have to start from the beginning. In 2009, A developer named notch-“

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Terraria is an amazing game (play it) but minecraft should not be Terraria. Terraria is based on beating bosses and using the resources unlocked to beat bosses you couldn’t have earlier, which doesnt make sense in a game with 2 bosses. Additionally, it isnt really the kind of game where servers exist so the world getting harder doesnt matter.

[@enn1924]

Another thing with terraria is that the combat and mobility feel good, every time I fight a modded boss in minectaft it feels like a clusterfuck of knockback and tanking the enemy's attacks as minecraft isn't made for that kind of action

[@staringcorgi6475]

If people want minecraft to be like terraria these guys should play hexxit or other adventure modpacks instead

[@LegendhypergameGD]

I don't know why people want minecraft to be terraria because if so then we will just have 2 same game only difference is its 2D and 3D

[@staringcorgi6475]

@@LegendhypergameGD the people that want them to be like terraria should be playing modpacks because those have leeway in changing the core idea of minecraft

[@luffypilled]

I have no clue why people want Minecraft to be Terraria so bad instead of just... playing terraria. Like no one is forcing you to play Minecraft lol

[@TheGeekFactor]

Hi there! I am the creator of the "Minecraft's Progression is awful" video, and I just wanna say that there are MANY opinions and things claimed in that video that I now wholeheartedly disagree with. This prompted me to create a part 2 to that video which more or less states that I was super uncharitable to Minecraft, though I do still believe most solutions proposed in that original video are good as evident that 1.21 has a lot of features that lean toward some of the solutions I mention. Regardless, haven't watched the full video yet, but I was shocked to see my little essay pop up in the beginning! Looking forward to the rest of the video!

[@thehayze259]

Woah, hey, nice to see you! Thanks for formally revising your opinion. I think there was a general trend on KZbin for a few months to be generally uncharitable to Minecraft. I'm glad that mostly seems to have ended.

[@TheGeekFactor]

@@thehayze259 Damn I need to check my KZbin comments more. A community built on negativity will die on it as well. People who make videos like these RARELY EVER go back to say "hey I was wrong here" and when they do, one of two things happens. 1. People don't watch it. OR 2. The people who liked the original video now dislike that your mind has changed because you now disagree with their biases. Thanks for taking the time to reply and PLEASE MAKE A DISCORD OR SOMETHING. I WANNA TALK TO YOU MORE. Anyway, great videos, keep up the good work.

[@Banana72544]

@@TheGeekFactoryay

[@mymyrrah]

@@TheGeekFactorgeekfactor being a GOAT as usual

[@UwSilos]

"we can be freinds" ahh reaction

[@JacobDangerfield-nm7bw]

Dude, you really showed me a different perspective. I have been slowly going down the "Minecraft developers are lazy" pipeline, but you reminded me of a lot of stuff I hadn't been looking at. Like a breath of fresh air lmao

[@TrideGD]

Calling the dragon a side quest perfectly sums up minecraft. The game's progression has it's issues for sure (I hate enchanting so much lmao) but the fact it's flat and non linear is absolutely not the problem. Terraria is a completely different game with a completely different appeal, features from them should NOT overlap for the sake of it. Also with diamonds, they're far less likely to generate if they're exposed to air, which was done to balance with the giant caves. Mojang absolutely doesn't get enough credit for the masterpiece they maintain and improve upon

[@thehayze259]

Oh yeah, enchanting is pretty bad. But yeah basically

[@Harrosimo]

no way trid geometrical jump?!?!??!

[@Bloxstrosity6209]

gd youtubrr!! 😮😮 no way11 I LOVE GD 🥰🥰

[@GMDGeojumper2011-bl8sx]

Bro wtf you doing here

[@kono152]

whoa didnt expect to see you here

[@graciousmaximus1765]

"the updates dont change anything" is so frustratingly inaccurate... i have friends who like, drop off minecraft for maybe a year, and then come back like "what the hell is all this now". i have friends who actively play near-daily but dont watch the snapshot cycle, and so getting the full update results in a brief round of "what the hell is this". if you arent keeping up with the development, they're not "small updates", it's like the entire game shifts overnight

[@thehayze259]

Imagine waking up not knowing about the cave update and suddenly there are mountains everywhere

[@SF2Waver]

@@thehayze259 Unironically... Hi

[@rateeightx]

Yeah this is me lol, I've never played survival mode that much, So when I do go back to it after a while (Often to play on a server with friends) I'm usually shocked at how much new stuff there is. Just today from the comments of another video did I discover there are Camels in Minecraft, and apparently they've been in the game for a whole year now!

[@rateeightx]

@@thehayze259 While I did know it was going to happen, I knew basically nothing about the actual features until after the update came out, And I started a survival world, Found a cave, Set up a small house, And then looked in the cave and was genuinely shocked at how deep it went. I could just jump in and fall what would've previously been from sea level to bedrock, And then see that the cave goes far deeper below that, It was wild.

[@redthegamer12]

@@thehayze259 people also need to realize how much stuff Mojang does on the backend. 1.20 "Caves and Cliffs 3" rewrote the whole lighting engine. 1.21 redid every single NBT to be fully customizable. Mojang said YEARS ago that they wanted to work on the backend and try to keep this 15 year old game running. They have rewritten the engine multiple times, rewrote whole sections of code, and all with 2 dozen people. People need to give the devs a break and maybe read the changelogs once in a while.

[@invertedLOL]

As a casual Minecraft player who would probably be considered “bad” at the game. Caves and Cliffs caves are crazy. The amount of times I’ve been knocked off a ledge by a skeleton and blown up by a creeper out of nowhere is crazy.

[@verycoolwhaleshark]

ikr, most of the time when i go into a new cave i just go on peaceful until ive lit up the whole area because i just don’t like fighting a whole hoard of mobs that much lmao

[@gametalk3149]

I'm deathly afraid of caves

[@manipulatortrash]

Caves genuinely have become a hazard early on. I'm definitely not some pvp god, but I've definitely had my fair share during lockdown playing and getting as good as I can. Yet, those caves can be so annoying if your tools just aren't right. No bucket? Good luck after you get pelted with arrows and fall to your death. No shield? That creeper will get you. If not that, the ridiculous crowd of snipers and zombies will (the spawn rates are no joke now). No food? The inevitable damage from mobs will whittle you down unless you're quick on your feet. Safe to say, caves are pretty dangerous. The new ore spawns also make obtaining iron harder at the surface so...not fun.

[@invertedLOL]

@@manipulatortrash bro shields have been a god send to all my Minecraft worlds recently

[@tgnm9615]

The big caves require so much torches too

[@NotCapedBaldy]

Even though that copper was probably intended to be just a decoration block, I still think that it was a missed opportunity to add some cool and unique tools like chisels or something.

[@headphonesaxolotl]

That's my whole thing. Decor is cool but it would also be nice if the material had some sort of extra use.

[@IceFireofVoid]

Bros be forgetting the lightning rod, spyglass and archeology brush.

[@silksongoutyet]

​@@IceFireofVoidoh yeah the brush is my favorite tool that I use all the time

[@lunaGabagool]

​@@silksongoutyet Mewze get off the alt we know its you, all jokes aside tho im pretty sure youre being sarcastic but still, when complaining about the lack of use to make tools with an item, only to learn there is a tool for the item, try not complaining about it being niche, minecraft has plenty of niche things that are really cool if you get into them. Want cool pots to decorate or a sniffer for even more decorative options? No? Thats fine, youre never forced to do anything in minecraft, but if yes, the brush is extremely useful, "not useful to me and my playstyle" is vastly different to "not useful at all". Also recently the brush got a new feature, you can armadillo scutes to get dog armor which was like one of most requested features ever for Minecraft

[@tanakisoup]

The thing is, what would it do that isn’t already done by other tools? What would a chisel do? You could copy the chisels and bits mod, but that’s getting way too far away from vanilla Minecraft imo. And I really can’t think of any other ideas for a unique function for a chisel

[@tea830fae8]

"So they can see Grian mess with everyone endlessly for every single episode of the show." ~ Yep that sums it up

[@FaizKTG]

Typical Grain behaviour

[@swampfire6600]

@@FaizKTG who is this grain character?

[@Cloud7w7]

​@@swampfire6600search his name on youtube. You will see

[@dinostorion]

@@FaizKTG revenge of the wheat

[@goontnt1]

The original video is just the guy saying "STOP HAVEING FUN THE WRONG WAY" and then asking you 10 dolor to fix the nonexistent problem

[@Mikonid_Ozone]

The amount of people who actually appreciate the game in this comment section makes me happy... It's hard to see these people nowadays.

[@IceFireofVoid]

Don't let the vocal minority of obnoxious complaints get to you. The game is very much loved. It's just most people won't talk about it because they are busy having fun instead of wasting time being mad about nothing.

[@Waterwolf221]

@@IceFireofVoid this

[@LapisLut56]

@@Waterwolf221 this what

[@Waterwolf221]

@@LapisLut56 this nuts (jokes aside i mean to agree with what IceFireofVoid said)

[@FlushDesert22]

@@LapisLut56 It's a reddit thing. It means you agree with the person you're replying to.

[@TwentySeventhLetter]

People who say "Terraria is just better Minecraft" don't understand either game or why they're successful

[@tftc97]

real

[@spongytrout7462]

I’ve had the opinion that terraria is better than Minecraft for years, but I absolutely hate how Minecraft is criticized

[@TwentySeventhLetter]

@@spongytrout7462 I think it's perfectly fine to like one game more than the other, but they're different and prioritize different things enough that unless you're comparing how they approach the same idea, you can't really say one is fundamentally better or worse. You might think one does what it sets out to do more effectively, but the point is that they aren't trying to do or be the same, and they aren't.

[@aimbotxd7992]

@@spongytrout7462 and I personally think Minecraft is better than Terraria :D

[@Roach18]

I honestly hate this comparison too. Like the games are in two different dimensions, and have headed in radically different directions. It's like comparing Fortnite to Starbound.

[@thegiantenemyspider1]

"minecraft combat/PvP is boring" mfs after discovering they can give regeneration and strength potions and sharpness 4 diamond swords to foxes

[@alphatt_1]

Jet's idea is so stupid: I am much more of a terraria enjoyer than minecraft but holy sh*t would it be a terrible idea to add Terraria elements into minecraft. Terraria is COMPLETELY different from minecraft and i have no idea how you can think those are similar enough to add elements from one to the other. Great vid if you see this btw!

[@MyUsersDark]

But you see, they're both blocky, with crafting... and they both have an overworld and underworld dimensions... clearly they're the same game!

[@MusTheFan]

@@alphatt_1 yeah Minecraft sucks, terraria is good, this is the main difference

[@danieldavid3766]

@@MusTheFanYou can say that you personally don’t enjoy the game, and it’s not for you, but saying the game objectively sucks, especially when it’s dozens of people’s jobs and livelihoods to play it, with millions of people enjoying their content, is just wrong. That’s like if I said that painting sucks just because I don’t like doing it.

[@MusTheFan]

@@danieldavid3766 lots of people's livelyhoods depends on things that suck, like call centers

[@danieldavid3766]

@@MusTheFan By livelihood, I mean it’s how they get enjoyment and happiness. People who play Minecraft for a living very much enjoy doing so. No one’s arguing that about call centers.

[@ultadoervladimir8265]

A lot of what these sorts of people generally don’t realize is that Terraria and Minecraft has fundamentally different design philosophies. There’s a reason Terraria’s default setting is to keep inventory upon death and the idea of playing mediumcore is sometimes considered a special sort of challenge in and of itself. There’s probably more hardcore Terraria playthroughs than mediumcore, which says A LOT.

[@Creepyslandofdreams]

Terreria is a weird game, but the loop of defeating challenges to get new building blocks, weapons, and even more challenges is really fun! Its smaller world size lets it almost get away with buffing enemies after bosses. I think mc and terreria have alot to teach eachother

[@th3craftymin3r32]

Yeah. I really dislike Terraria due to a lot of ideas and mechanics that don't mesh with me personally and wouldn't fit how Minecraft works and it gets annoying seeing people act like they are more similar than they are.

[@Bluebatstar]

Yes, exactly. It’s always bothered me why people compare the two so much since they’re drastically different games going for very different experiences.

[@riiov]

i love both minecraft and terraria but they really are so incredibly different and it’s insane how much people try to shove them into the same category. imo minecraft is more similar to something like gmod than it is to terraria

[@lazuliartz1296]

Terraria has a fundamentally different goal. You can spend time building nice structures, but that isn't the primary focus - the focus is getting gear, to fight a boss, to get even better gear, to fight an even harder boss, repeat until you are essentially an unkillable god. There's nothing wrong with that, that is an extremely fun gameplay loop that has been around since video games first came to home consoles. But it's a fundamentally different game than Minecraft. Minecraft isn't about becoming super strong and beating insanely difficult bosses, although the choice is still there (just like how in terraria, you still have the choice to just focus on making pretty builds) for players who want it. But it's not the focus

[@AugustQ-p1w]

Whenever people complain about modern Minecraft it almost always feels very "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong" to me. Y'know, "Could it be that this game just isn't for me? No, it's the millions of people who enjoy it who are wrong." No one is making any of these people play Minecraft. It sucks to spend 30$ on a game you end up not liking, but it happens sometimes, that's just a risk of buying a video game, you don't have to also waste time on it if you don't like it. If you like Terrarria, play that instead. If you the old Minecraft, the betas the alphas whatever, play that instead, they make it pretty easy to play old versions on the official launcher. If you specifically want to play /modern Minecraft/ with specific features, there's probably a mod for it. Is Minecraft a flawless game? Absolutely not. But if you want it- or any game- to be something it just isn't, of course you'll be disappointed.

[@CHRB-nn6qp]

THIS! People act like minecraft is the holy grail of video games, and anything that they don't like about it is a blemish on its sacred name. It's just another video game ffs.

[@lasercraft32]

13:13 The change they're suggesting would basically make EVERY MOB into the Phantom... The mob everyone hates because it comes out of nowhere, attacks you while you're trying to build things, and is difficult to kill compared to normal mobs.

[@thehayze259]

Fucking EXACTLY! This is a perfect analogy! They wouldn't even necessarily be hard, just incredibly, unbelievably annoying!

[@JovenDecarne]

Do you enjoy early game?​

[@jasonjasso666]

Key phrase: Comes out of nowhere & harder to kill compared to most overworld mobs If having to face harder mobs after you reach a certain criteria out of your own volition is bad, then you’d also agree the dimensions and bosses are pointless and shouldn’t be in the game because it breaks it somehow. Obviously no one, not even casual players, are saying this. Why? Because OPTIONAL harder difficulty that the player actively needs to influence to get isn’t an issue; case in point the dimensions and bosses as I said.

[@matthewadams1674]

​​@@jasonjasso666Except you're not spending most of your playtime in said dimensions+they have valuable loot that can't be gotten elsewhere. Bosses are generally the same, either dropping or guarding something of value for the player. And finally, all of these examples are cases where the player can stop meeting the criteria for these stronger mobs. Phantoms, sleep. Dimension mobs, leave the dimension. Bosses, kill them(cause they don't spawn everywhere) or leave the area they're in. You can't unbeat the game to stop stronger mobs spawning in(using the example in the video).

[@nnnik3595]

@@thehayze259 I think he actually has a point but disagree with his implementation. It would be cool if killing the dragon increases local difficulty in the chunks you are nearby. This would make the game harder but also drop better loot etc.

[@maclain3760]

The main thing i took away from most "minecraft is boring" or "x update ruined minecraft" is that the creators usually don't care about building/exploration and just want some basic rpg/terraria features. Meanwhile they could just mod the game to turn it into something they want to play.

[@thehayze259]

Yeah, I swear three quarters of those videos are just, "What if Minecraft... was Terraria?"

[@G_abMc]

that's exactly what I'm doing, but i started to like basic mc again ;( , and i can't stop modding now cause I love both..........

[@richardkirkland6805]

​@@G_abMcThen don't stop. Play vanilla when you want to, and play Modded when you want to. It's Minecraft, you play your way.

[@kingofflames738]

I usually hate the "just mod it" argument since it brushes away the problems the game actually has, but if their problem is that they want to play a different game then yeah, modding is totally valid.

[@firstgameplaygr8186]

while personally i like terraria more, if you don't like minecraft because you think terraria is better then just play terraria

[@James89227]

People may never be happy with Minecraft. since it has such a large community, if the game is made one way, others want it another way. It’s a kind of unique position the devs are in since there aren’t really many other games like Minecraft, it’s a very special game…

[@LynxTheUnrelated]

11:19 As someone who has played Terraria as long as she has played Minecraft, your argument against Jet's point is flawed in some ways, but that is because you haven't played the game. Here's an argument against Jet's idea from someone who knows how these two games differ. The reason why Terraria adds more difficult enemies after defeating a certain boss and why Minecraft can't just upgrade enemies to be harder after defeating the dragon is because that certain boss in Terraria isn't the last boss of the game. Terraria is basically split into two halves "Normal mode" and "Hard mode", defeating a certain boss triggers hard mode, which is the stage of the game that adds thous more difficult enemies, however hard mode adds more bosses and item upgrades. It's literally a second half of the game. If you were to never kill this one specific boss that triggers hard mode, you could be as op as you can be in minecraft at the point when you have full enchanted set of diamond tools and armor. You can never step into hardmode and just build in peace if you'd like, in that sense the final stages of normal mode of Terraria is just regular minecraft. And when you've beaten hardmode you are arguably even more op and no enemies(not including a extra challenge form of a boss that can instakill you with every attack)can stand a chance against you. So in order to fix minecraft according to Jet, the devs would have to add another further end goal, at least the same amount of new armor upgrades as exist in regular minecraft and powercreep every item and utility tool that exist in base minecraft. That's not something that even a "nether update" sized update could do and would not be expected to do. (Tldr. Jet's idea of upgrading mobs to be harder after beating the dragon would require Mojang to add a second half to Minecraft worth multiple updates and if this would not be done then people would have far more incentive to avoid the dragon all together and not even engage with the end, not including speedrunners who would try do some kind of halfway%run, since there would be a second half to minecraft) Minecraft and Terraria are both great games, however they are also two distinct games that are great for their own reasons. Only things i'd want from terraria to minecraft are the "trash item/block" slot in the inventory and like the flying piggy bank i guess for fixing minecraft's inventory problems a bit.

[@CHRB-nn6qp]

Those two points at the end are perfectly valid. They are technically in the game in the form of shulker boxes and lava bins but they could always be more efficient like how the backpack mod solves inventory problems. One thing that absolutely should be in minecraft and more games for that matter is the quick stack feature. You can get a mod for it but it really should be in vanilla, it's a no-brainer.

[@LynxTheUnrelated]

@@CHRB-nn6qp Exactly! Especially since shulkers are an end game item, so an early game equivalent would be welcomed. Like I guess ender chests and the upcoming bundle are sorta like that, but bundles can't hold enough things from my experience(maby if they made them be able to hold 2-3 stacks, then maby?) and don't have a convenient way to empty them, so they can't function in a similar role. Ender chests on the other hand are too costly to constantly make and otherwise require an enchantment to mine, which takes up two slots from the inventory if you are already committed to a fortune pickaxe. Maby something like a backpack, but different or minecrafty, could help with that. Oh, and I 100% agree with quick stack! That would be such a good quality of life feature to have in Minecraft!

[@CHRB-nn6qp]

@@LynxTheUnrelated I feel like an early game shulker box would have to be significantly worse so that shulker boxes still feel worth getting. Maybe something like a crate functioning in the same way as a shulker box, but with only like a hotbar size inventory. It could made from copper blocks and a chest/wood. It would give copper yet another practical use, and it would be worth getting for the small inventory extension until you're finally able to upgrade to shulker boxes at end game.

[@LynxTheUnrelated]

@@CHRB-nn6qp Oh, definitely! If they were basically the same the shulker box would no longer be worth getting(unless you were someone who really wanted to color code things) Your idea for a potential candidate is really good too. A hotbar amount of space is the perfect balance for storage you can carry, which can't compete with shulker boxes. Copper also feels like a "trinket" metal, with it currently being used for more low-tech items compared to iron(spyglass, brush and lightning rod), so it wouldn't feel like a forced implementation of copper into a recipe like some other concepts feel like.

[@CHRB-nn6qp]

@@LynxTheUnrelated Thank you! Maybe someone could make this idea a mod at some point, if it hasn't already been done lol. If I learn how to make mods one day I might give it a go :)

[@Beesechurger_73]

I like Minecraft Edit: Finished the video. Yeah I agree with you here a lot actually. You changed my mind on a few things. Minecraft really is about the creativity for me at the end of the day.

[@thehayze259]

Damn, a 3 million subscriber channel commenting on my video! Well, I'm glad you liked it :)

[@snekhuman]

solution to unfun minecraft: mod it or play a different game. instead these people decide to make a video essay.

[@licemere9899]

Tbf, it's their oppinion, have all rights to express their oppinion to their audience

[@snekhuman]

@@licemere9899 well yeah they’re definitely free to share it, but I just don’t see the point in putting in all that effort. it’s not like the developers are going to watch the video and actually make all those changes.

[@licemere9899]

@@snekhuman well, you're welcome to the internet. People REALLY like to feel like they are proving something here 🙃

[@RavenGamingOverLord]

@@licemere9899 That’s just humanity nature and it would still be the case even without the internet.

[@munger30]

Games that have to rely on mods in order to be good are bad games, only exception are those types of games that were intented to be played with user generated content, smth like mario maker or bonelab

[@TranAran]

*Two things I don't agree with:* • Minecraft is pretty broken on *Bedrock* still, though in recent updates it is slowly but surely inching closer to Java parity. • The *Recovery Compass* is useful for *Hardcore* as a way for people to know if the player's world is legit. It *spins* randomly if they _never_ died before. If it isn't, then the player is using cheats/commands to revive themselves off screen/stream.

[@thehayze259]

Oh, so for hardcore it's a way to make sure KZbinrs are legit! That's hilarious

[@Sofia_Writes]

As a bedrock player; kiiiinda disagree on it being broken. Most of the glitches people complained about were ones I never encountered and I'm having lots of fun with the game, might be because I'm a casual tho who knows. Plus were getting hardcore legit so I'll enjoy that too!

[@TranAran]

@@Sofia_Writes I've said this numerous times to other ignorant Bedrock players: Just because it never happens to you in particular _doesn't mean it never happened at all._ If what you said is true, then you're basically invalidating all of the *bug reports/video evidence* by others who actually encountered the problem(s). There's a reason why Java bugs are regarded as features: because it can be replicated most of the time. *TL;DR:* The random nature of Bedrock's ticking is what makes its bugs difficult to reproduce.

[@Sofia_Writes]

@@TranAran well ok, it is MY feedback tho. Not really ignorance, it was my experience and I'm simply just sharing it

[@neverdestroyerofworlds]

@@TranAran we literally got wireless redstone then mojang patched it out

[@brixixx3607]

I think one of the notable problems for most people, including myself, is a lack of creativity. Many people try to progress through Minecraft as you said, an MMORPG or try to compare it to Terraria. It's not either of those. It's a game where you have to create intrinsic goals you set for yourself. I originally sided with a lot of creators saying the game was lacking in the update department and also sided with the fact that "Minecraft isn't what it used to be". After seeing your video and actually trying to creatively play the game, I fully agree with your points in this video. The criticisms of the game being "boring" or "not what it used to be" purely come from oblivious knowledge of what the game is ACTUALLY about in 2024 and also come from the deception of nostalgia. Thank you for making this video!

[@Jasonwolf1495]

I think a lot of it comes from the fact minecraft was being developed when most people bought it and thus no one actually knew what the game would be. You can find plenty of stuff from Notch in early development where the game was going to be far more of an rpg with building.

[@Vandassar]

@@Jasonwolf1495 Yeah that... I forgot that Minecraft was the first game to popularise the whole "early access" thing.

[@Jasonwolf1495]

@@Vandassar exactly minecraft was sold with hopes and dreams and now some people ask where their dream went.

[@pancakes8670]

Good point. A lot of this could have to do with some youtubers simply not having much creativity, which is necessary when playing a sandbox game. Its like opening up GMod and going "Ok, now where's the first boss?" Like... there isn't one, it's a sandbox. Make dumb contraptions. But you can't really do that if you don't have any ideas for dumb contraptions, can you?

[@FlushDesert22]

@@Jasonwolf1495 "You can find plenty of stuff from Notch in early development where the game was going to be far more of an rpg with building" source?

[@SkullCubeOS]

a lot of people just don't build/create a lot and it shows. i used to be someone who would just mine for resources, enchant stuff, fight bosses and leave. now i build more than i mine and I'm trying to fill up my server with tons of builds. I've been doing that on a 1.6.4 server with my friends and its the most fun I've ever had in mc. never trust anyone who says Minecraft is boring but only has a handful of buildings in their world.

[@exotic-gem]

I’ve been continuously running a private server for over 12 years now. Sure, we don’t slam the game 12 hours a day all the time, but we’ve never stopped playing and that will likely stay true until we die. Unless Minecraft gets an insane update like removing building of course…

[@thehayze259]

TWELVE YEARS?! On one world?! What the hell, that's awesome!

[@madelynscorner]

I can only imagine how much you've had to travel to access new content

[@xXRealXx]

12 years? And the map was never reset? That rivals 2bt2

[@Josue_S_6411]

12 years? That's a lot. I have been playing in my current Survival world since 1.15 (I think 1.15.2, specifically), and I have no plans of restarting anytime soon. At the time, I have a project of turning a plains biome into a superflat-like terrain and building nostalgic Minecraft things like the pre-1.14 village and Herobrine's totem. I'm also storing the dirt I collect in some shulker boxes so I can use it for a project in the end (Yes, I konw I could make a dirt farm, but this is more fun). If you have enough creativity, you can keep your world going for many years, I still have many things to do in my world and every update just adds more things to do.

[@jeremychicken3339]

@@madelynscorner Using a boat nether highway, it's just a mild inconvenience.

[@YaBoiBoris]

These people who make these claims about minecraft need to watch something like RTGames recent let's play series on it. It perfectly shows an example of how people actually play minecraft.

[@horse14t]

RT's Minecraft playthrough was such a breath of fresh air! I hadn't watched a proper Minecraft playthrough in years and it was fun watching him discovering features he had no idea about! I actually started playing Minecraft again because of his playthrough!

[@sackfu7952]

Hell they should go back and watch Stampy cat, man played the game for years in a world with no villages or end dimension and had a blast

[@Wrekina15]

DanTDM recently uploaded a chill minecraft playthrough, It's a really great watch, and I'm looking forward to future episodes!

[@YaBoiBoris]

@@Wrekina15oh shoot, I did know about that! I'll have to go check it out!

[@YaBoiBoris]

⁠@@horse14t exactly!

[@c.ccarlhead5744]

I agree so much. I was wondering why I feel a bit disconnected from recent fans who got into minecraft primarily for speedruns and pvp, which I won't knock those definitely have their place, but seeing this video definitely put it into words. So many people talk about how the mobs added through the mob vote are "useless" and do nothing to to help progression, when pure utility was never the purpose of minecraft. It's a sandbox. Anything is possible in minecraft and that's why its so fun. I have so many memories of joining creative servers, or survival servers, and minigame servers. And all the updates honestly have me playing normal minecraft more now. Its still very fun for me 💛

[@pixelfire86]

14:00 It works well in Terraria because almost everyone plays the game with a softcore character (analogous to Minecraft's keep inventory). Also, the main spike in global enemy strength is roughly halfway through progression, not at the end, and it coincides with the player gaining access to much more powerful gear. Besides, Terraria is by design a much more difficult, combat-focused game than Minecraft, and familiar players go into it expecting some struggles, at least at the higher difficulty settings.

[@thehayze259]

See, this is what I mean! You can't just lift a feature from another game and have it work in Minecraft. Minecraft doesn't have a new tier of gear after the dragon, and if it did and the monsters got stronger, it would literally just be adding power creep to the game. Plus, while Terraria has building elements, from what I understand, it's an RPG first and a sandbox second, while Minecraft is the opposite.

[@imminent_gans]

​@@thehayze259Although you are right, some people play terraria incredibly similar to how people play minecraft, building first and progressing solely to be able to expand the palettes to which they can build with. People fell in love with building in that game and it proves why minecrafts system works just the same :)

[@ultimate_pleb]

Yeah which is exactly why it wouldn't work. Minecraft has bad combat procession because combat was never the point of minecraft so it's not a focus and people think mojang has neglected it. My brother in Notch, it feels neglected because it was never a focus to begin with

[@iVo42928f]

If you'd want to introduce a Hard Mode in Minecraft, you could do it per player once they visit the Nether for the first time, creating 'hard' mobs that require diamond or netherite to be effectively killed. The thing in Minecraft hower is that the tougher challenges mainly lie in dungeons and triggered events, allowing the player to prepare and opt in. Placing the 'hard mode' after the Dragon could also work but then the harder mobs should be more killable using the elytra and possibly another kind of (hopefully interesting) gear. For example in an end theme, I would love to have a weapon that levitates ground mobs into the air or allows you to have dog fights with (slightly bigger, when you stay up for an even longer period) phantoms.

[@RidaRyokoShaBeacoNofHope]

Your weapons, tools and armor also don't break in terraria. So unlike minecraft, if your overrun with difficult enemies you can just keep throwing yourself at them until they die without much consequence. You don't gotta worry about your gear breaking cause of your recklessness

[@PrivateLZG]

The point of minecraft isn't completing the plot. That's rarely the case even for story-games. Interacting with the world and doing side quests and regarding Minecraft specifically, you create your own plot. You don't complete the game, you make the game your own.

[@IceFireofVoid]

Thank you for mentioning it's like that for story games too. I remember when it was understood that the real meat of an RPG was its sidequests, optional areas and secrets. Nowadays I see so many people rush through the story, speak to no NPCs, do no sidequests, mash through all the dialog, skip any cutscene they can, and then they get to the end and complain it was boring and that the story sucked. It's like people see games as a chore they need to get out of the way as quickly as possible instead of an experience you get to enjoy.

[@PrivateLZG]

@@IceFireofVoid tbh though, I got that exact criticism when saying Zelda TotK was not that good. I don't know if you played it, but despite fully agreeing with you, I feel the criticism you just mentioned is sometimes valid, it just depends on the execution of game elements AND, of course, who's the one criticising.

[@anonanonymous9670]

@@PrivateLZG Literally the only reason why people liked BOTW so much was because there was nothing else on the Switch TOTK was essentially just the same game and that's why the discussion about it dried up insanely quick after people were done building meme machines with Ultra Hand

[@Hungeroftheworld]

1:17 this is the part where he shows TERRARIA progression like blue I don’t think wall of flesh or pirate invasions are in Minecraft

[@shreyaspamaraju262]

i don't wanna fight the moon lord in minecraft bruh let me build a cottage in peace 💀

[@ManyMissingMalaysian_s]

holpy shit thats the funni oreo man ffrom ultergill

[@shreyaspamaraju262]

@@ManyMissingMalaysian_s holy guacamole is that minus lime from the hit indie shooter game sulphur pill

[@ManyMissingMalaysian_s]

@@shreyaspamaraju262 homey spit i just looked at my own profile picture and its the funni rock and stone urist man from the dwarv game

[@svoidsofinfinitechaos9367]

It is interesting that Mojang incidentally found a compromise for Jet’s request to make the mobs more difficult with the trial chambers. You get to have increased difficulty while not having it impede on your ability to explore and build. Add on to that the fact that creepers and other non-trial mob spawns are turned off and they make for a perfect combat experience.

[@appletree13]

I guarantee you people are going to go barrelling in there in fully enchanted netherite and complain about it being too easy

[@coolcatred4922]

@@appletree13 lol

[@Waterwolf221]

@@appletree13 100%. remember, you said it here first

[@kuronya3582]

@@appletree13 ominous trials are hard even in netherite

[@danieldavid3766]

@@appletree13As someone who did just that, let me just say ominous trials are still not a pushover. They’re not too hard with maxed gear, but even after raiding dozens of them (why can I still not find a heavy core), they can still catch you off guard and provide for tense moments. I even died once (those frickin armored baby zombies), which is quite impressive for me being so late in the game.

[@sharptooth5568]

I feel like people sometimes forget that Minecraft is the only Minecraft. Its good that the developers are just making the game that they wanna make and not just trying to force everyone to love it. They don't need to worry about competing with other games. At the end of the day if you don't like vanilla Minecraft then you probably aren't the target audience.

[@Lokie-os9ht]

And if you still want to play the game after that, modding is the easier it has ever been. So you can make the game basically anything you'd like

[@Grxblrg5757]

Thats a great point, I wish Mojang knew that before they added a bunch of things that prioritize combat over the actually fun parts of the game, which is literally everything else.

[@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY]

Isn't forcing somebody to love something the simple concept that is making a game ? So brain lost

[@kennyobi9871]

@@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHYno it’s not. You don’t force people to like it. You find the kinds of people who would be interested in it. Or you make it for a certain kind of audience. You can’t force people to like a game. Just like how mojang couldn’t force people to like 1.9 combat.

[@ASTR0TALKSPHILOSOPHY]

@@kennyobi9871 I was poetically referencing it

[@SecretAgentSans]

I should mention that when jet says that the big caves allow for more diamonds to be left exposed is just not true. They changed diamonds in that update to make it so that diamonds have a way lower chance to spawn when exposed to air, which just makes his point flat out wrong

[@fluffytowels1145]

I legit started a new world recently with the sole purpose of finding an ancient city and renovating it and all 3 bosses were sidequests for me. Wither for the beacon for cool beams and constant buffs to speed, dragon for access to end islands and the elytra and the elder guardian for the sake of sponges to clear out an aquifier that spawned in a bad place

[@notZabami]

damn, that's... An oddly progression-based Ancient city! It's kinda like Breath of the Wild in that you could just yolo and Speedrun the goal, but by doing side quests, even though it's technically slower, you have more fun and feel like you're making more progress!

[@laraprisma6381]

I've seen a lot of these videos saying that Minecraft is boring, but they never touch on the fact that the game's selling point is the fact that you can do whatever you want in the game, and specifically the game encourages creativity! So for me Minecraft was never boring, I just never had the chance to play the game;-;

[@alien_ogre]

how? if u cant buy it - just pirate it. theres literally nothing wrong with it. and when you will get a chance to buy the game, just do it. thats what i did and i think theres nothing wrong with it, cause i bought the game eventually.

[@notZabami]

all the people saying that don't want to play Minecraft, or aren't very creative

[@benedictgyimah2673]

I'm basically stuck in early game

[@BLET_55artem55]

​@@alien_ogreI think he's talking about his PC (Mine barely gets 20 FPS on all mins WITH OPTIFINE on 1.14...

[@alien_ogre]

@@BLET_55artem55 can play on phone tho

[@ABoxedFox]

It's a debate of two different perceivances of the game. You both have a point: JetStarFish says that all of those updates don't add to the main progression through the game - the opposite being the Nether update which for people with similair thinking was great as it introduced much to your journey through the game adding more you have to actually go through, while you're looking at everything at another level which is creating something using unique resources/blocks, only found in specific places, and that's just another way of enjoying the game that is as valid as the other one. Everyone comes to play this game with different expectations and may brag about it all they want

[@lasercraft32]

Have you noticed how EVERYONE who says that the newer updates suck and don't add anything only say that because most of the features are about creativity and building instead of adventuring? Part of what makes this game amazing is the ability to build and creative amazing things, and new blocks and textures are the biggest part of that. The stuff people are able to make in modern Minecraft are INSANE compared to the simplistic wood and cobblestone houses of old Alpha and Beta versions of Minecraft, and I feel that people take that for granted. Why do people always discredit and devalue art? (Also... "Who asked for bamboo wood?" is the dumbest question I've ever heard... It was a highly suggested feature for a long time, practically since they first added bamboo to the game. On top of that, there are MANY mods out there that added bamboo wood, even before bamboo came to vanilla. Needless to say, a LOT of people wanted bamboo wood. Saying nobody wanted it is like saying nobody wanted Cherry Blossom trees).

[@thehayze259]

Not even, there are tons of adventuring features too. They're complaining that they aren't direct boss fights or weapons. And they don't care about the building either, of course. That's why I was saying Jet wants an MMO, not Minecraft.

[@CodeNeonMC]

Fancy seeing you here!

[@David_Box]

The past couple of updates have almost exclusivly been about adventuring, what are you talking about?

[@KAW-69]

​@@David_Box they also added new blocks

[@drew5181]

@@KAW-69 "3 new blocks no uses"

[@beesinpyjamas9617]

I've been losing my mind for years now at my recommended being constantly filled with these "minecraft isn't fun anymore" type videos, I'm really glad someone was as annoyed as me enough to make a counterargument. It really seems like the videos are one of three things: 1. older players nostalgic for 2009-2014 minecraft, usually by people who stopped playing during the game's drop in popularity and are now coming back to a game with way more features than they remember, which makes them feel alienated, they usually complain about anything newer than a horse "feeling modded" which is a very hard to define subjective and unhelpful criticism that it's not exactly like mojang can do anything about except not add new features I guess 2. younger players who don't remember minecraft's quiet period pre aquatic and think the updates of today are lazy because "6 new features?!?!?! that's 3 less than last year!!" not realising that updates this frequent and with this much stuff is pretty unusual for a sandbox game and even minecraft itself 3. people who don't want to play a sandbox game, and fault minecraft for being one, suggesting that it become terraria or "just do what all these talented modders do" 4. the bandwagoners who agree with the first three because it's fun and/or profitable to hate popular things, they might even levy all the exact same criticisms simeltaneously not realising how contradictory they are

[@maqima]

I want to propose: NO FIREFLIES! hear me out ok? bugs are huge in minecraft. Spiders, bees, endermites, and silverfish are big. Fireflies would have to follow that. WHAT I PROPOSE INSTEAD! Is a plant or something only found in swamps, that gives off glowing pollen particles or somrthing, mimicing fireflies.

[@animacaodeumamador1006]

You are just doing fireflies with extra steps bro, tho it would be kinda neat. But one thing you said that cannot be forgiven is calling spiders insects, thats a sacrilege(jk)!

[@wutshow577]

It's like they don't understand that the devs are not making a rpg like Terraria, which is great in its own way, but are try to keep Minecraft as a sandbox game where you can build anything. While you can build things in Terraria it isn't the main focus of the game, like how progression isn't the main point of Minecraft.

[@thehayze259]

Alright, I figured that was true, that clears things up.

[@deadhelix]

I think the main thing is they want vertical progression which doesn’t fit minecraft. Progress is still important but MC works best with horizontal progression to fit into what’s already at play. Like netherite being this new thing beyond diamonds was neat but it’s sole existence is be better than other thing and that’s its only use which is boring in minecraft. Items like the mace and even the trident fill a unique purpose that will have them always be relevant to some players. If there’s any game that should have some inspiration taken from it it’s dont starve cause they have been doing this same progression for years that compliments a more free form sandbox than terraria of choosing class than upgrading and replacing your weapon and armor 30 times till the endgame

[@wutshow577]

@@deadhelix That is a very interesting point, thanks for pointing it out.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

The thing is, a lot of people dislike the perverse incentives. Remember: players will optimise the fun out of the game. Also who the hell added phantoms? They make sleeping mandatory. I've been playing minecraft with structures turned off, player sleeping percentage at 101 and then disabled phantom spawns, because they're the single least fun thing to be added to the game. And you know what? It's been pretty fun. It has the lonely feel of classic minecraft I vaguely remember. It might be placebo, but I think that people dislike minecraft because the soul of minecraft from before adventure, the feeling of it being YOUR world is gone. You HAVE to find a village you HAVE to make villagers into slaves. If you don't, you're playing suboptimally. And the voice at the back of your head will remind you of it. Hey, you could do it easier. Hey, you could automate it.

[@Toastedcat1]

@@mr.cauliflower3536 Yeah, phantoms could have been cool, but they actively make it a negative to not use the easier option. Before them you could choose to skip the night, or not. Skipping the night makes it easier, but it doesn't make the night actively harder.

[@BandanaSlate5678]

I finally understand now why I haven’t been having fun with Minecraft. It’s because I wanted it to be something it isn’t: an RPG. By just changing my perspective on the way progression should work from getting better gear to kill things with, to instead, getting new blocks to build with, I can allow myself to have much more fun. That is the point I was completely missing for years now. I think I love Minecraft again. Thank you so much for making this video!

[@logansmith2703]

Minecraft is an rpg. It's just also a Sandbox. The problem is more that the RPG isn't good.

[@Repton0]

I've had the whole "minecraft is bad now" mindset for a while now. Recently i started getting a bit more into the game but got bored a couple of days ago. I kept thinking that i wanted to beat minecraft and make it extra hard this time, but I realized that it just becomes annoying if i try that. This video made me realize that i never actually played survival when i was young and played the game more often. Instead, i just made cool builds in creative. I'm probably gonna play a lot more minecraft if i just focus on building rather than beating the game. Thanks for making this video.

[@obsidian_citadel437]

FINALLY a level headed player who SEES the positives and acknowledges EVERY feature per update. The games problem isn’t oversimplification with the updates, but oversimplification with the players. Pointing out the standout features and not the reasons they’ve been added

[@reecepickett9972]

So glad someone finally said it. I've been so tired of seeing all the complainers saying "Oh Minecraft is boring" or "The updates suck" when Minecraft is still very alive and well and the game is in a relatively good state.

[@plumfadoodle4908]

It's people blaming the devs for their own burnout. And like most people who say these sorts of things they will be right back to playing Minecraft right after. Most games would kill for Minecraft consistent playerbase.

[@djangel3108]

​@@plumfadoodle4908 This has changed my view honestly

[@plumfadoodle4908]

@@djangel3108 That is always nice to see.

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

What does that have to do with Minecraft not being boring Many popular things that are trash

[@lazarack4859]

​@@Aryan-qv5qk and Minecraft isn't one of them, also you might not like other "popular" stuff cause it's not to your taste.

[@ZWKGD]

I feel like every single "minecraft's progression is bad" videos is just "I want minecraft to be terraria"

[@justpassingby298]

Most things I've seen on "how to make Minecraft better" is that "Minecraft is too easy" how to make it harder? They suggest: Making enchants take all your XP again, because grinding for more XP is so hard and fun. I forgot other points that one just sticks in my mind so hard

[@enderallygolem]

This is kinda the struggle when it comes to nerfing elytras and mending They're undeniably op, but they're also massive QOL features. It's hard to nerf them in a way that makes the game actually more fun

[@justpassingby298]

@@enderallygolem the main issue is that Minecraft is so fun because basically anyone can get into, with mods or specific servers play it any way they want... These people miss that point and want the ultr&-specific play style they want be the main one

[@Gigi4u]

​​@@enderallygolemwhy want to nerf the elytra in the first place? It's literally an endgame item, there is no real reason to nerf it. If you don't want to fly then Don't use it. That's what I do and it's a fun challenge because you are then required to actually build proper paths to connect you builds.

[@lunashenck]

Yeah idk why so many people have this idea that grinding equals difficulty. Obviously not everyone knows a lot about game design, but this specifically should be super obvious. I mean who actually enjoys grinding for xp? Nobody, so what makes them think extending the grind is gonna somehow make it more fun? It boggles my mind

[@lunashenck]

@@Gigi4u The elytra does need a nerf, or at least an overhaul. The way that it works now disincentivizes building infrastructure and turns travel into more of a timer than an actual gameplay mechanic. You don't have to interact with the game at all while using an elytra, you just have to point in the direction you wanna go and press right click occasionally If I were to change it I would remove the ability for rockets to boost your flight and replace them with other methods. For example, flying over campfires could shoot you upwards because of the heat. There could be air currents at high altitudes that would speed you up, so you could plan your route to hit as many as possible. There could be a grappling hook item that you could use to swing from mountains and towers to gain momentum, I could go on

[@RandomHans]

my one answer to everyone who unironically thinks like this is "just play other video games"

[@pancakes8670]

Which is the actual solution imo. I think it's clear these youtubers are not the target audience for Minecraft, and are trying to fundamentally change it into a different game. It sounds rude or laughable at first, but it's true. Sometimes you just... need to play a different game. The game isn't bad, it's just not targeted at you. I wish more gamers could have that mindset.

[@Daralexen]

@@pancakes8670 I agree. Those KZbinrs and "Mojang is lazy" commenters probably only play Minecraft or refuse to give actual RPGS a chance for the stupidest reasons.

[@infebris]

yeah, or "maybe you just don't like minecraft"

[@cardboardking577]

I have for the past 3, maybe 4 years. I still haven't enjoyed Minecraft for more than a few days. It relies heavily on a sense of discovery a lot of the time. Makes the game hard to enjoy if you've discovered everything.

[@Daralexen]

@@cardboardking577 I think that it just depends on the individual. I have enjoyed playing on my Modern Beta world for over 3 months after starting it in early March.

[@donkeykong3119]

Minecraft is about creativity but the problem is that there is so much unused potential for creativity in other aspects of the game. Minecraft only encourages creativity in building or redstone, but why not combat? The combat is bland and boring. There's barely any options for different strategies against mobs. Being able to make your own alloys, unique weapons, and stuff would be fun. The best difficulty mods I've played weren't ones that made the basic enemies hit harder, but the ones where I had to overcome a mob in a smart way like building a trap.

[@WalterFoog-fn7hi]

I don’t understand why people who don’t like Minecraft’s gameplay design, still try to play it, and then complain about how it doesn’t fit the style of game that they prefer instead of playing a game that better fits their style.

[@seigmyrethegamer4584]

The last time I tried to do a mega awesome build i got burnt out on the game and never finished it. I sometimes go back to the world and think, man, maybe i'll finish this. No. No I won't. Why would I. What point does it serve that I don't have covered already.

[@BLET_55artem55]

​@@seigmyrethegamer4584exactly, there isn't even anyone to show off to!

[@vinsplayer2634]

I quite agree with you, however, I would suggest you watch "Another Serious Critique of Minecraft" by Whitelight. Unlike most of the other videos, I think that one keeps making valid points, and it summarizes why I almost never play entirely vanilla Minecraft, instead having mods like Nostalgic Tweaks and datapacks to disable elytras and beds. (And doInsomnia set to false)

[@wordsinhere9338]

In 26:44 there's a note on the screen regarding that video :-)

[@thehayze259]

I did watch that video, an generally quite liked it! There's a note at 26:44 about it, as @wordshinhere9338 pointed out. It brings up quite a few valid criticisms of the game, and I agree with most of the things Whitelight said.

[@vinsplayer2634]

@@thehayze259 Sorry about that, I guess I should've paid a bit more attention at the end.

[@thehayze259]

@@vinsplayer2634 Oh, no problem. Statistically only like 30% of people get to the end of KZbin videos anyway.

[@infebris]

i have watched this video, and sure you can play the game however you want, but i honestly believe that a lot of these reasons are based in nostalgia rather than a serious critique. the beds for example, they didnt make the game worse they just made it so you have a real respawn point. same with phantoms, i genuinely dont understand why so many people have such a problem with them when you can either disable them or just sleep every 3 ingame days

[@penginlord9396]

I would recommend watching CarlSagen42's first time blind play-through of minecraft, as well as RTgame's recent let's play of the game. Seeing people experience minecraft for the first time reminded me of when I first played minecraft, years ago. There's still that sense of wonder and amazement and exploration. Carl's playthrough reminded me of how much knowledge I assume is baseline that new people just don't know, and how much discovery, progress and exploration there is in the game. Veteran players are probably so used to knowing the game so well, that of course that new-world wonder is mostly gone, but its still there. And RT's playthrough was not blind, he knew about minecraft and how things worked, he just hadn't actually played survival in years. But there was still wonder and exploration in it. Discovering the new terrain, making a story with chat, discovering the bosses and taking them down one-by-one. It felt incredibly rewarding, and even dramatic at a moment. I think the best way to approach minecraft if you feel it is becoming boring is to try and find a way to look at it with a fresh pair of eyes, and see that the wonder is still there. We've just grown accustomed to it.

[@jamwrightiam]

The funny thing is 11:20, that feature technically is in the game, as the game increases danger of mobs in chunks you stay in longer, thats when you see zombies with diamond armor and such. But its slow and doesn't overwhelm you because its kept balanced and you can mob proof an area. What im saying is there is a lot of mecahnics and tools in minecraft most people just ignore and ot sucks

[@LiamFlaunch]

I think you really hit the nail in the head with this I have been sick and tired of these not so good criticism towards minecraft that never made sense I only see them as a way to stir the pot and just get clicks I hope people realizes that it's how you want to play it. There is no linear path. It's just you. You are the deciding factor in your gameplay. Do whatever you want, and don't feel pressured into doing anything you don't like. Just play Minecraft how you would like to play it. It is customizable

[@kennyobi9871]

Exactly so many people act like beating the dragon is the point of the game and it’s honestly frustrating trying to explain that it’s not.

[@bloodreptil]

"Dont feel pressured into doing what you dont like" Thats why there are people complaining, they dont like building and creativity in general. They like the progression and exploration part of minecraft, but its so limited that if you want to play basic survival for a long time, you HAVE to be creative and build.

[@logansmith2703]

You're just completely ignoring WHY they don't like current Minecraft. It isn't JUST a creative sandbox, it's also a survival rpg. And THAT aspect of the game is what most of these people are arguing for updates to. Because frankly Minecraft IS boring if you aren't creatively motivated.

[@LiamFlaunch]

@bloodreptil this is gonna be longer than expected but I wanted to put my opinions out Like the video said Are you just playing Minecraft just to beat the ender dragon or to have fun? You can literally do whatever you want I agree that structures and biomes and stuff could be worked on and that there should be a bit more incentive to actually find these biomes and structures, but the game isn't meant to be an mmo RPG or beat em up game This game is meant for creativity. The motto is literally "Build, explore" There is criticism to be had for Minecraft, but the progression for tools and armor is meant to be simple for a reason, hostile mobs don't get more difficult as time goes on because that's not the point of why you're playing Minecraft If you want to make these experiences, you can make it. Minecraft is supposed to be simple, not overwhelming and difficult If you wanted this experience, you can have mods or data packs or make challenges for yourself without adding new content from mods or data packs. It's endless on what you can do Minecraft is a BASE for what your mind can extend from. You can do ANYTHING But for what I'll say, you do have a point that these Minecraft players should get stuff too, but Minecraft should not add more difficulty or more overwhelming stuff into the game because the hardcore players want stuff. Then other players wouldn't enjoy the game because Mojang adds something too difficult There needs to be a balance of simplicity and difficulty. The more you cater to the other, the more the other group will hate it. So no matter what, people will be mad

[@LiamFlaunch]

@logansmith2703 I responded to both of you at the same time, but I replied to the other person That comment reply goes to you too Please don't think I am hating you or trying to make you look bad, I am just stating my opinions and just disagreeing. If you disagree, that's fine

[@NotTochilkaIncCorp.]

15:11 Somebody forgot about fireworks existence. They MIGHT seem useless but if you know how properly craft powerful ones you can easily get better range weapon than bow.

[@pengwino828]

For more context with terraria, I’d call it more of a heavily sandbox based action RPG esque game. You choose a class but aren’t really locked into any choice, that whole deal. Thing is, 99.99% of Terraria players don’t play after killing the moon lord, and there absolutely is an intended progression system of bosses which makes the shift in mob difficulty work.

[@ThatOneGuyRAR]

We need more of these videos on the internet. KZbin can be such a great platform for discussing these topics with these longer arguments, so it’s great to see it when a discussion is no longer one sided.

[@Lakinoob]

Another use for the trident is to get the mob heads which are amazing building blocks.

[@Videobustersgames]

Thank you! Minecraft is not a linear combat progression game with an end boss. All these structures serve minecrafts core purpose, but many people dont understand that

[@lasercraft32]

The people who make videos complaining about the progression are forgetting a very important saying: "Its not the destination, its the journey." Saying that the Ancient City and Ocean Monument are pointless is ignoring the fact that the whole point is to have fun raiding them.

[@1989SupraGuyFIN]

I'd like to add this for the people,who still seem to think Warden is a boss mob. It is not a boss mob. You are NOT meant to fight it, you are meant to avoid it. Yes, you can kill it, but since all it drops is one single Sculk Catalyst makes it pretty much useless kill. Warden was meant to be a force of nature not to be played with.

[@EmperorPenguin1217]

The ancient city is pointless though, the loot sucks and is not hard at all to loot. The OM at least has a unique building block set and has tools that are way more useful on top of having actual threats

[@lasercraft32]

@@EmperorPenguin1217 Ah welcome back, Captain "I complain about everything Minecraft."

[@EmperorPenguin1217]

@@lasercraft32 >Says negative things about one structure and says positive things about a different structure with multiple examples >"I complain about everything minecraft" ?????

[@lasercraft32]

@@EmperorPenguin1217 I was moreso making a joke about how I often see you commenting on Minecraft videos, not specifically this instance... It wasn't a very funny joke, so my bad.

[@adryanclay]

My take on this is that: while yes, Minecraft has infinite possibilities, its a sandbox after all, it gets to a point where creativity is overshadowed by just copying the coolest thing somebody else did, and that's what makes Minecraft boring for some people, they just dont let their creativity play the game, they just want to build the next most insane, detailed, realistic build that they got from a tutorial to show off to their friends. That's my main criticism of mainstream Minecraft content creators. Anyways, I still enjoy Minecraft alot, im building a stronghold I designed myself, hope it goes great 😁

[@DarkSlayerJ]

It seems like Jet focused only on the combat and "beating the game" portion of the game as you said, leaving everything else out completely. You can't take one section of a game like that and judge the entire thing. That's flawed at its core. Combat is a portion of the game, a decently sized one even, but it's not the only one nor is it the main focus. It's just a part of the whole. However, when they added the End Dragon fight, they did accidently put that mindset out there and validate it to a degree. "If the game isn't about the combat, then why is there an end focused on combat?" I do agree that the combat could maybe use a tiny touch up again. I'm one of the "crazy" ones that enjoyed it greatly after the first update, as for PvE I was completely uninterested in fighting things as it all boiled down to clicking as fast as you could. No thank you. What we got was a nice change, but could use some other changes to really make it work better all around. Though I doubt that would be enough to satisfy anyone that focuses just on the combat. To those that do, they should really try adventure maps focused around combat. Minecraft is a creative game and can be so many things. They're always making changes and updates to backend stuff that allow for map makers to truly go wild, yet I never really hear anyone talk about those things in a positive light past "Idk what that is or why I should care or why they're wasting their time on it." or "Huh, neat." I lost my point somewhere. It's almost 3:20am lol Good video, my only critique is that you could maybe use a few bits to take the perspective of them further into account. You do to a degree, but mostly in a negative light, falling into the same trappings they did by saying the game "Isn't about the combat" when that's only partially true. The progression and combat are parts that do mater, but they're all part of a greater whole that make the game Minecraft. Taking any part out and just focusing on that in "standard play" ruins it. One final take on Minecraft "Being boring" or "Too easy" to people is that they always seem to forget. They've been playing this game for years. Or at the very least passively learning about it all the time through some other means if they've had any real interest in it before picking it up. That will always change how "difficult" a game is to someone along side their natural ability to pick up and learn a game. I've been playing since....whenever you used to break a block next to water and it would either flood everything or make weird water particles and start self deleting over time. This game is nearly second nature to some people. That's going to make it easier. The end. That might also make it "boring" to those that just have played so much of it and have grown with it and changed over the years. It's okay to move on, nothing lasts forever.

[@hhff8534]

Your last point is the most important one. Minecraft is a genuinely difficult game for new players

[@toksinblack]

I think one of Minecraft's biggest problems is being the most popular game ever. It has a very diverse playerbase: builders, PVPers, redstoners and highly technical side (see: Scicraft) and people who like exploration. This means that not every update can appease every group. Being the most popular game also means it attracts the worst crowd - "serious gamers". Speaking from my lived experience, these people lack any kind of creativity, not only in games but also when it comes to everything in their lives and themselves. Minecraft is not a game for everyone and that's ok. No game is. But for some reason these people just NEED to have an opinion on it and express it. And as people mentioned: the way to fix all of their problems is mods. Minecraft has a rich and giant modding scene and it's all FREE. Want harder mobs and new armour types? Try born in chaos or similar mods. And this goes for every type of player. Want new passive mobs and more to explore? Alex's mobs and caves, Jung's better structures mods and mods that add new biomes. Add furniture and clutter for interior decoration with Moa decor and dozens of others. New and expansive engeering? Create got you covered. Try new farming and a billion different food recepies with Croptopia. Playing on a heavily moded server myself felt like exploring a whole new game. I don't understand why people are so allergic to mods. I suppose there is a point to be made about the majority of the playerbase playing on Bedrock, which doesn't have mod support but that's a different conversation.

[@alias6676]

people who say that "X is useless because it doesn't give more tools, weapons, armor, etc" are so god damn frustraiting and there's so many of them for some reason. Is this because of quite recent pvp popularity? Why did people suddenly forgot that minecraft isn't about combat!? You wanna feel like a god, constantly upgrading your arsenal and defeating stronger and stronger foes while exploring the generated world? Go play Terraria, as it seem that's the game you are looking for, which Minecraft isn't no matter how many people will call it "2D Minecraft"

[@TheDarkroomDude]

Dream manhunts did it, it's how hundreds of thousands of new players were introduced to the game. SOI did something similar to people making them ask for rpg elements and fully fledged questlines

[@Davedave000]

My major beef with Minecraft is villager mechanics specifically. It's something I don't see people bring up if at all, but I think villages and the core mechanics revolving around villagers are just plain bad game design. With how Mojang regards them, it feels like the intent behind them is that you're supposed to let them do their own thing in their little village and occasionally build new houses for the babies. The problem is that if you do leave them to their own devices there's like a 99% chance they get wiped out overnight. Since some of their trades are so powerful you can't just leave them to perish, so what players actually end up doing is abduct two of them using jank mechanics since the devs really don't want you transporting them, stuff them in a box full of food and force them to breed, then filter the new villagers into 1x1 boxes with a lectern/fletching table/whatever workspace you want in order to force them into a specific profession and prevent them from moving around. It's a pain in the ass to actually do and the result is that you end up with pretty much everyone making the exact same hall of living kiosks with the only variance being the type of blocks they used to build it. Oh, and they have this god awful 'realism' mechanic where if you buy too much of a certain trade they bump up the price, so you actually need to put a zombie under the floor so that you can drop the villager down and get it zombified so you can cure it and make it lower its prices. Keep in mind; Mojang wants you to treat these particular mobs like they're people and the meta surrounding them is to entrap, enslave and subject them to cruel and unusual conditions. The villager trade rebalances don't fix this at all. In fact they only exasperate this by forcing you to transport villagers using jank mechanics to a niche biome that likely isn't anywhere near your initial spawn point, and effectively force you to set up camp in that very specific biome which effectively guts your ability to make anything that doesn't explicitly fit a swampland aesthetic. It's still a tedious chore to build the villager breeder and corral the newborns into their life-long prison cells. So it's honestly no wonder why people are saying the game's shit now. They're stuck doing this god awful busy-work every time they make a new world instead of playing the actual game.

[@hothdog]

after they added the ability to put leashes on boats , do you still find the villager rebalancing awful?

[@Davedave000]

@@hothdog Yeah. The only thing that fixes is how annoying they are to transport, and even then it's only marginally so. I think leashing boats was only added for parity's sake. If the intent was to let you transport villagers, then they would've let you put them on camels instead. Even if they did that though, that only solves the logistics of transportation. Every other problem is either neglected or exacerbated. Villager mechanics are still obtuse and trades are not only still up to the whims of RNG but are also biome exclusive, which means more time building villager breeders and trading halls and less time doing any of the fun stuff like spelunking caves or exploring those new structures they're adding. The rebalance is a band-aid fix on a broken, poorly designed system that just doesn't work, and will likely never work. If Mojang really wanted to fix it, they should consider completely gutting it and redesign the entire concept from the ground up.

[@rateeightx]

I do agree, But also I feel like this is only really a problem for a specific type of playstyle, I personally am usually content to just set up near a village, Protect them from any threats, And just trade if any of them happen to have trades I find interesting, Frankly I _hate_ the meta of kidnapping villagers and messing with them until you get the trade you want, And don't see why people would do it, To me the tediousness of doing that (And the lack of fun created by having villagers imprisoned in tiny boxes rather than living in proper houses) is far greater than the advantage being able to get one specific enchantment or whatever adds, Especially as to my knowledge very few (If any) items are even villager-exclusives anyway?

[@Davedave000]

@@rateeightx People do it because trading villagers for enchantments is just better than dealing with the RNG-fest that is the enchantment table, even when accounting for the inherit tediousness of transporting and breeding villagers. If you want max enchantments and mending on all of your gear then setting up a trading hall is practically a requirement, and you're going to want max enchantments on all of your gear at some point regardless of your playstyle.

[@rateeightx]

@@Davedave000 It's more _convenient_, perhaps, But I wouldn't say that makes it better inherently, It's to me less fun than exploring the world and hoping to find the enchants (E.G. as chest loot), Or indeed using the randomness of the enchantment table. Perhaps it's because I rarely enter the "Late-Game" where I even have full-diamond equipment, But I for one don't care much about having maxed out enchantments on all my equipment or whatnot, Even when I do want a specific enchant, Such as Frost Walker (One of my favourite enchants) or Mending, I'm more than content to just explore the world until I come across it, As that is simply far more enjoyable than kidnapping villagers and setting up a trading hall.

[@Red_Duc]

I think there is a problem since players tend to optimize the fun out of games to play by the meta. And minecraft makes it real easy to optimize the fun out of it, with the biggest problem being villagers. They make it too easy to get every enchantment. So thats what most people do. They focus on the extrinsic motivation until the upgraded everything, beat the dragon to get an elytra and then the game stops throwing extrinsic goals at the players and with their intrinsic motivation being gone they tend to quit the world shortly after. I think Minecraft Ideas Academy has done some good critiques addressing the Problem of extrinsic motivation minecraft provides. But otherwise minecraft is a great game, but playing multiplayer can be demotivating when everyone plays by the meta.

[@clobzz]

this is exactly it

[@thehayze259]

I do think villagers are pretty poorly designed in some ways. The villager changes in the past year or so might be the single most important tweak Mojang has made in years. Instead of being able to get mending and unbreaking from librarians super easily, you can only get them from villagers that spawn in swamps and jungles... the two places villages DON'T naturally generate. So if you want them, you have to take villagers there, possibly hundreds of blocks away, and breed them. It's a cool way of both making it harder and also encouraging adventuring.

[@sufi09853]

@@thehayze259 Honestly, if that change ever comes to Minecraft in the future, I feel like players before the change is going to be like, "I have to get a shit ton of Mending books in 2 double chests before the change! Because I will lose Mending forever for me!" It's going to be like the Crafting recipe for the God apple all over again. lol 😂 Tho, I do wonder if the change to Villagers is going to change the already existing Mending Villagers that aren't in the swamp.

[@Red_Duc]

@@sufi09853 The existing Villagers do stay like they are, since Mojang doesn't want to break existing worlds.

[@cerealmama3879]

This is a player's problem, not a game's problem. If you have the posibility to press the "win button" but in the process you will not enjoy the game, it's a fault from the game, that have this option, or from the player that press it? And you don't "break" the game by accident with villagers, you need to have some knowlegde about them.

[@carnivallegf]

As an avid Terraria player myself I'd like to add to this. The change that jet proposed of mobs becoming stronger once the dragon was defeated was most likely inspired by the Wall of Flesh (WoF for short) in terraria. When you kill the WoF in terraria the game transitions into a new game state that people call "Hardmode", in which basic monsters (Pre-Hardmode enemies) get their stats buffed, and new, more dangerous mobs start to spawn.

[@minichad5456]

I really like your channel and most of your videos, BUT, something that most of the minecraft creators don't talk about is how many kinds of players there are, I understand that builders and explorer like newer features, but people that mostly play single player or with small friend groups (like me or multiple ppl I met on DC or reddit) like the suggested changes that focus on the progression. TLDR: you can't satisfy every player in a game with such a large player base, for example: something that a explorer would love, might ruin the experience for a builder and vice versa

[@sourlab]

Hard agree Especially here when he says that those two missed the point ? 23:46 Minecraft has no point , its a sandbox where you can do so many things

[@minichad5456]

@sourlab exactly, sorry if my comment is hard to read tho. My English is kinda bad

[@thehayze259]

It's true that people get different things out of Minecraft, however, there are certain things that the game is good at and certain things that it's just OK at. The combat is fine, but the building and creativity are incredible, and so that's what tends to bring people back. That's why I focused on it so much.

[@elliotalderson8358]

18:54 not only that, bamboo was one of the FIRST MODDED BLOCKS IN MINECRAFT FFS,

[@jaseb5120]

14:17 kind of late, but the reason it works in terraria is because: 1, you don't lose items on death on 2 difficulties 2, you get crazy op

[@DreerKarler]

those are not difficulties

[@LilyTheMentallyInsane]

I LOVE making modpacks with just mods like valkrien skies, create, and farmer’s delight and then some non is like “erm where are the bosses” and then EXPLODE them with my masterfully crafted pirate ship with working cannons

[@steveminecraft5887]

Valkrien skies (and create clockwork) is so fun I love it so much I do kind of wish minecraft had something like it.. but its also pretty game changing so I doubt itd ever come. The bosses are also pretty cool in modpacks too, but theyre so much more enhanced when you can take a floating airship to them. If there ever was a "Minecraft 2" (which would probably never ever come) I think the only game changing thing I would add would be valkrien skies like mechanics, as thats the only natural gameplay evolution of minecraft I can actually think of. Create is so good too, surprisingly more simple and easy to understand than actual redstone. Sadly im broke and valkrien skies kept crashing my server because I didnt feel like paying a lot for it lol

[@iheartblock3792]

Those 3 mods are easily some of my favorites of all time, to the point I don’t play packs without them anymore

[@oarf7100]

I think that the thing I hate the most about people speaking about difficulty and specially player who played the game often is that they always said the game get easier while being completely obvious to the fact that it's just them remembering that they know the game better now. I'm pretty sure I put someone with absolutely no knowledge of the game in a survival world in the last update and I'm pretty sure their first night would look exactly the same has it was for us years before. Minecraft didn't got easier, it got more convenient.

[@thehayze259]

A ton of the changes have just been QOL things. Like, basic mobs aren't really a threat to you anyway, so why not lower the light level where they can spawn so that you don't need thousands of torches to mob-proof your base? The caves and unlit wildlands will still be full of them anyway.

[@oarf7100]

@@thehayze259 exactly It's less painfull to mob proof because it require less time and less farming It's not easier has the game will still be the same when you begin, It's just cost less time so you can do more thing on the side, like building thing (just what you said il the video).

[@hankboog462]

My favorite little challenge I've ever done to mix things up a bit was when I had a world where I made myself treat villagers ethically. No tiny pens, no breeding them in a room like cattle. I basically set up shop near a village and roleplayed as benevolent mayor, building new houses, upgrading old ones, building walls and security features, etc. It really encouraged me to make a project out of the village and make it feel like a lived in place rather than just squeezing every bit of utility out of them I could as efficiently as possible

[@Brenilla]

This was well put, and I always see thease issues in those kinds of videos. Most seem to forget that most players have never gone to the end let alone beaten the enderdragon. There is a reason a hostile mob won’t win the mob vote, (phantoms) and most players don’t play on high difficulty. It’s why trial chambers are presented with people in iron aurmor. I think MC could have improvements, even with progression (mostly on the enchantment part). But overall it’s a great blank canvas, it’s ok to “grow out of” that canvas. (Honestly worst take I saw in one of thease type videos was the “brandization” of mc is horrible. Like dawg I’d love Minecraft to have more external revenue and more merch, than needing to pay for updates.)

[@microwavebrain1035]

I’m just happy this game is still alive and I think it’s state is better then it ever has been. And I’ve been playing since 2012.

[@frank9966]

One thing I just want to tangentially mention because I really like to share as an example. I really like Minecraft and I have appreciated it for years, but I remember when villager trading was buffed and I realized how easy it was to get Diamond Gear from them, this didn’t make diamond stuff not valuable, far from it: but it made Diamonds themselves, the item you mainly got from mining (cause loot chests mainly give you gear (diamond or not) rather than raw diamonds) now that important. But then, in 1.19, they added the upgrade template, and after some time I realized: Diamonds are now basically required to get lots of the best tools in the game because templates spawn in finite numbers, (to make the rest of the game easier), it’s no longer “I need to mine for diamonds to get the best tools: diamond armor”,’ it’s “I need to mine for diamonds so i can make a template to upgrade my stuff into the best tools in the game: netherite”. It’s not 100% the same but it doesn’t need to: Minecraft improved on itself and fixed an issue I had with it in a unique way, binding it other mechanics (netherite and gold) while also further strengthening the exploration aspect of Minecraft, and they do this a lot; but this is my favorite example of it.

[@chikoritalover]

THANK YOU so much for making this video - the whole "Minecraft sucks because it's not Terraria" trend is so annoying because creators just fail to recognize what Minecraft is about. It's not about fighting a bunch of bosses and getting lots of new equipment, it's all about letting the player do whatever they want in a large world. If you do want to fight monsters and bosses, Minecraft has plenty of structures and events (like bastions, raids, and the new trial chambers), but if you just want to build, Minecraft provides a lot of blocks and tools for that. Minecraft is my favorite game of all time because I can do whatever I want by myself or with friends.

[@steveminecraft5887]

i feel like if that was the case then survival mode would not be popular or cared about and people would only play creative, the mode focused on just doing stuff in a large world

[@galilea78]

I’ve played very little of vanilla Minecraft, as I got into modded very early. Even in that sense, Minecraft has improved a ton. A lot of this is due to community creativity (the Create mod is an absolute legend), but the core game itself has improved massively as a base for modding. One example: the Nether update was terrific for improving the vanilla Nether, and I noticed the quality of End biome mods also seemed to drastically improve afterwards. Perhaps mod makers took inspiration or followed design principles that the devs used for the awesome Nether update. And while there were many cave update mods before Caves and Cliffs, there’s no argument that modded caves are better than ever. It’s like a free cave update mod for every modpack! I love modded, and vanilla Minecraft’s updates have improved it a lot as well.

[@MnccHi]

14:20 speaking about Terraria... You don't lose items after death and even if they would (harder gamemode), they don't disappear after 5 minuts

[@The-ms2ub]

Not only is this video amazing, but I feel like some of the points in it were further reinforced by the recent trials update which added even more uses for copper, an all new large set of building blocks via tuff blocks, and a new challenge that you can go to instead of the “main quest” to defeat the dragon

[@ninjawolfgame]

from ranking undertale music to responding to other minecraft creators. they grow up so fast.

[@filleis6374]

As someone who is funnily enough playing Terraria as im watching this funnily enough I definitely agree with your assesment of the whole "Terraria did this" part. The thing with comparing Terraria and Minecraft is that while they obviously look similar to eachother (apart from the 2D vs 3D thing) they are VASTLY different when it comes to the actual playing experience. Minecraft is mainly focused on intrinsic motivation and building with combat elements and some more extrinsic goals while Terraria is literally the exact opposite focusing mainly on combat and the extrinsic motivation of killing stronger bosses with some building and more intrinsically motivated stuff on the side. Also the thing to note about the whole "Enemies should get stronger" part is that in Terraria the point at which that happens is a bit less than halfway through the games progression meaning that while the enemies do become significantly more difficult you as the player also has a lot of room to scale with those more difficult enemies. Also in Terraria you (by default) only drop coins upon death which is effectively its version of experience meaning you really dont have to retrieve your stuff if you happen to get killed by a strong enemy deep underground. Also Terraria is great and I definitely recommend it and its building is pretty fun even though it isnt the focus and while I dont think Hardmode isnt something I think Minecraft should have there are definitely things in it like its much more varied arsenal of weaponry that I do think Minecraft could take a bit from to have a bit more variation in combat when it does come up.

[@awhryan]

I think the main issue that most people experience is that Minecraft is a sandbox with adventure/rpg elements, which allows people who like adventure/rpg games to come in and have their fun, but after they've done all the exploring and gone through all the gear upgrades, they realize that Minecraft was never actually a full adventure/rpg experience, so it doesn't have anything else for them. For people who like the game to offer a path to follow, Minecraft doesn't do that for very long, so then you're just left with a standard sandbox experience. I think the game should either expand more on these adventure/rpg elements or make it somewhat clearer to the player that those elements aren't what the game is, so you don't waste your time with an unfinished experience if all you want is exploration and rpg.

[@KitKitsuneVixen]

also an idea ive heard is that they could intertwine the adventure and sandbox elements more, maybe so that engaging in the sandbox elements (but doing more than just building a 1 block cobblestone bridge or the basic things like make a starter base) becomes a significant aid to progression. i'm struggling to think of specific examples other than like maybe more strongly incentivizing building infrastructure between places. maybe somehow making it important to set up a base in the end before exploring the end islands, could be an example. or making it more necessary to fortify certain areas if you want to explore there

[@georgethompson913]

The issue is ever since adventure updates have emphasized fighting and exploration over everything else. Whereas mining now feels like the optional sidequest rather than the main route of progression. Not to mention the game never skill tests your building outside raids. Hence why i think village and pillage was so appreciated as fortifying villages actually tested your construction skills.

[@georgethompson913]

​@@KitKitsuneVixenLike raids you need to fortify against.

[@Honnyd]

Dude crazy that i found ur channel when you had like 20 subs and i subbed for your ravager cannon i think, i dont really watch minecraft realted content so i didnt atch many vids from you untill now, BUT DAMN 5K subs? Youre on a roll dude good for you.

[@thehayze259]

Hey, I remember your profile pic! Yeah, thanks for sticking around!

[@ColorfulSouls]

Honestly thank you for making this video. This has been a recent debate between me n some friends and this sorta mentality of whether something in mc is "useful" or not. In many of these videos and arguments they're moreso seen from well, their own way of playing, instead of,,,,literally how everyone else plays. Mc gives you multiple options for different players who play differently. I don't use redstone at all, but its there for the people who make really complex redstone contraptions! I love the ancient city, its fun for me to explore, but for some people, its not something they really want to go into and that's fine. Its a sandbox for a reason, it gives you so much for a reason. The game is not made for just 1 type of player, but a large selection so they can do whatever they want. It sucks cuz I have played mc for many many years, I rmb when it first came out and I played with someone on their PlayStation. I still adore it now cuz of how much its willing to offer, even if I don't follow the same way others or even how I used to play back then. Mc is an amazing game, and while of course like any game, it has its problems, but I feel the problems many KZbinrs talk about aren't actual....issues and more so just them complaining that a game isn't being made to their own liking. I have my own problems with mc, but that's just me personally, there's many aspects I dont use and dont find useful, but for others, and even for friends, they find the use in them and that explains why they're there in the first place.

[@galactic_c4090]

One of the reason the enemy scalding works in terraria and not in minecraft like you mentioned, because Terraria have keep inventory and all you lose are coins

[@Borapaws]

you can actually toggle dropping all your items in terraria and its MISERABLE to get back this isnt an issue with minecraft because terraria was designed around not losing all your items so death is made less annoying and scary which makes most encounters one note in comparison to fighting off a skeleton or enderman which is why theres so much variety in tools and enemies to play around with which terraria does great to spice up gameplay as you linearly progress these arent downsides and i love both games, theyre just varying design decisions and the dropping all your items toggle is just a novelty feature for those who want a little more challenge!