【ミニ四駆】Tamiya Mini 4WD Testing: AR vs MA vs FM-A Technical

[@shidukirider]

Damn these are cool, never seen them before today. I was poking around amazon and ran across some tamiya stuff and saw these cars with rollers on the outside and thought man those gotta be something like a slot car racer. Then I found this vid, awesome!

[@foxracerdrew]

Remember what I was talking about with the one way wheel sets? I have another idea in relation to them. Try with one way wheels on front only, regular wheels on the back, then use slightly smaller tires on the front, for example 25mm front and 26mm rear. If I'm not mistaken this will give you AWD, meaning initial acceleration it should bite like normal then when up to speed, the front wheels will be running on diff only with all the motor power transferred directly to the rear wheels.

[@Z3NBluster]

Could you do me a favor and weigh the medium diameter one-way wheels you're talking about. Do you have a scale that is able to measure .01grams? We don't normally see these. I don't think DXN carries them because they don't sell. I have a feeling that the extra weight these wheels have actually counteract the benefits that they may give.

[@foxracerdrew]

Sure, I'll get back to you later with pics, but I did try weighing the large one ways once with 3 spoke, overall difference was 3g for a set of 4 wheels (0.75g difference per wheel)

[@Z3NBluster]

That depends which set of large diameter wheels you're comparing them to. Three spokes are less popular for technical as they tend to break often. Also did you weigh your one-way wheels after they've been glued together? It would be pretty embarassing if these wheels broke apart after a few jumps.

[@foxracerdrew]

Here you go man, drive.google.com/open?id=1iCPt7Mb9U-zukURcwHrkdq80fNAo4mij

[@Z3NBluster]

Looks like the one-ways are around .5-.6g heavier than their normal counterparts. If a full set is slotted in that's around 2-2.4 grams heavier. If only a pair is added the car will be 1-1.2 grams heavier. Have you tried these on jumps or any big impacts? If these come apart during a race, that's it. I just think there's gotta be a reason why you don't see the Japan Cup winners use these wheels. I haven't seen a Japan Cup winning setup with these since the 90s when the tracks had no jumps.

[@VestedUTuber]

Why do people say the AR chassis is bad and only viable as an FMAR build? Seemed to do well in your test vids.

[@johnclarklee3973]

Kabayan, I build my AR some how similar to yours but with Power Dash motor. Why yours is so fast, Do you spray something in your motor before putting it in the track? Salamat. 🤙🏼

[@smorereactions2896]

Nice video man! Used to live in japan 20 years. Brought my old track out for the kids to play now they want to race. Just wanted to ask you could provide some info on where to buy a track like this or even the same setup. Thanks keep the vids coming

[@Z3NBluster]

Check DXNProvisions.com. They have parts you can get to build your cars. I dunno if they have any tracks in stock.

[@RobertUrriquia]

Z3N, as always great video! Keep them coming... The 3 cars that you've built, did you trim the tires after, or are they as is?

[@Z3NBluster]

No trimming allowed in Tuned Class.

[@gertieryansancha376]

Nice race,, but I still love the fma, hehe

[@symbiote86]

yeah me too

[@bammalaca23]

wow i watch 2 of your videos and ar still the winner i like it, caused i used ar chasis here in ph, but i can not beat s2 chasis here please make a video of s2 vs ar i really love your work keep it 👆.

[@charles0189]

Yung pong 1.40v na power ng battery.. Yun po ba yung nasa specs ng battery na yun ang pinaka full charge nya? or sinadya nyo lang na same silang 3? Or based sya sa requirements ng torque tuned 2 motor?

[@Z3NBluster]

1.4v to balance the output of each car. To show that none of the cars gain an advantage over the others because it has higher voltage.

[@jiminkim8268]

Since you already covered how to build FM A, MA, and AR, do you plan to shoot video regard how to build MS?

[@Z3NBluster]

Good question. I already have an MS Build but not a Tuned Class build like these cars. The build video I have is an advanced body damper build for MS with no Suspension. If you need an MS Suspension guide, Mad Tang has a guide on his channel.

[@jiminkim8268]

Z3N Bluster Hi Zen, thank you for the quick respond. I was hoping you to post another build for MS, since your guide and quality of video were the best.

[@kentotnuebe]

Bro, pwede ka ba gumawa ng video on how to join japan cup? plano kasi namin makasali sa Japan Cup next year. :)

[@zerikoz8250]

Thats great you guys. Nice race.

[@Video.Bercerita]

Hi Z3N, could give me some advices how to pass interchange smoothly? Thanks for your advise

[@X7studio]

Which better chassis, sfm or fm-a?

[@Z3NBluster]

FM-A is better in terms of ease of use, durability, and lower center of gravity. SFM is better in terms of transmission. You can probably guess which one I recommend.

[@X7studio]

@@Z3NBluster so if i wanna build a kit for stb+ better i use sfm or fma as ur experience?

[@aljonnavarrete5874]

how to order mass damper and how to get discount?😅 i'm here now in japan

[@Z3NBluster]

Go to the massdamper website and contact them. When you're checking out, use the discount code Z3NBLUSTER to get 10%off.

[@venczchannel]

Hey man do a review of super 2 chassis vs AR/MS/FM-A/VS

[@bingo6875]

How to prevent rear damper from popping out while running?

[@JapesZX]

Hey man, are there any upgradability differences between closed wheel (designs like the Toyota TS050) and open wheel (no wheel fender/cover)? I plan on buying my first Tamiya and I'm looking at some MA chassis models. I'm deciding between the Toyota TS050 and the DCR-01. I was thinking that maybe some wheels would need to stick out of closed wheel chassis due to the wheels hitting the fenders. I'm a beginner so I don't have much of an idea about these stuff.

[@Z3NBluster]

The open wheel bodies that you're referring to are lighter. It boils down to that. Also, please avoid asking your question twice on two different videos. I don't have alot of free time to read the same question twice.

[@johnphilipgamboa1834]

Nice race. I watch this 3 cars since you built it. I'm wondering why AR always winned. Can we see this 3 cars again on speed checker comparison vid? I'm newbie and i'm planning to buy my first car by watching this vid, i'm interest now on buying AR? Any recommendations? Thank you and God bless.

[@Z3NBluster]

I'm going to do some further testing. God bless you too, but wait a little longer. There will be more videos on this trio.

[@marclouiesulit7277]

That ar sure is fast. I will build soon a vs evo chassis similar to this. I wonder if it would perform similar to this..

[@Z3NBluster]

EVO kits are just hype. If you look at races, you arent gonna see people using EVO FRP Underplates at all. The ones who do, don't know what they're doing.

[@kristofferphillipabad7696]

GoodMorning boss.. The last time i played with mini 4wd is way back 2003, grade 6 pa ako nun 😂 Babalik po sana ako sa laro, pwde ko po ba malaman magkano lahat set up ng AR nyo? And may i also know your shop's facebook page? Tnx,

[@Z3NBluster]

For the money I spent, look for the video in my channel AR Chassis Basic Build Part 2. It's in the playlist Tamiya Mini 4WD Build. The shop in this video is in the video description DXNProvisions.com.

[@TheShadow2056]

Dang, how fast are those?

[@mohammadhidayat1141]

I know u like tamiya race mybe good to fans tamiya that in avent day.

[@ijuwan17]

Of course the MA chassis is going to be hindered in this setup! The whole point of the MA chassis is it’s advantage in term of Center of gravity (COG). It was never the lightest chassis but what it had was all of the weight close to the center... Therefore, it doesn’t need as much weight / correcting dampers. Because of the more balanced chassis, the MA would require a different set of dampers that is minimal. Then the MA chassis will be allowed to show its full potential when not being sandbagged by its “tuner”

[@Z3NBluster]

This was filmed early in the day while there were less customers at DXN. I only had 30 minutes to work on this video including filming and quick tests of the car. Since DXN is a shop, they also have other customers to attend to. I didn't want to intrude and hold up the other customers for much longer than than 30 minutes. What you see here in this video is a product of a quick comparison. If I had the luxury of having a solo session with the DXN track. MA would have won with much better tuning.

[@bucyup123]

Tell me the best MA setup for this basic tuned class. I wonder, MA was the worst chassis overall. heavy, slow and unstable when landing. The only strength that MA have is only its torque. I am an MA user and i wonder how people out there show a full potential of MA

[@jademillergaza4078]

whats the difference between soft and hard tires?new subscriber here i'm from south Korea.thanks kababayan

[@Z3NBluster]

Harder tires have less grip, less bounce from jumps, and quicker around corners but slower on straights. The softer tires have more grip, more bounce from jumps, and slower around corners but quicker on straights.

[@charles0189]

How about superxx chassis sir? Ano po thoughts nyo? Thank you!

[@Z3NBluster]

For tuned class. It's disadvantaged. It's heavy, the transmission is underwhelming, and you're forced to have a wide offset wheel setup because of how wide the chassis is. Actually, I also do not recommend it for Open Class unless you're a PRO.

[@felmarebrole8972]

AR power yeah!!!

[@balonimo4723]

Would love to see AR vs FM-AR hehe

[@Z3NBluster]

FM-AR would not qualify in Tuned Class. In order to make it work, you have to make cuts on the chassis which violates the rules of Tuned Class.

[@foxracerdrew]

Well, you could do it, but it wouldn't look very nice and probably not work as well. xD

[@balonimo4723]

Drew Fox lol

[@chadmote3466]

Where are y'all located? I really want to get this going down here in Austin Texas!

[@Z3NBluster]

Visit the DXNProvisions.com link in the video description down below. We've got a shop and address info there.

[@jackyabuyuan5251]

Bro is your tuned motors break in? Ty for reply

[@Z3NBluster]

Yes

[@jackyabuyuan5251]

@@Z3NBluster ty bro. Do you have video how to break in?

[@Z3NBluster]

Not yet.

[@tangchiprathomo819]

I thought MA will win easily, since it has the highest torque among those three.

[@arvinhernandez5271]

me too

[@TheOnlyDarkus]

FM-A (along with Super-II and VS) is one of the highest acceleration chassis. Also, it has a highest adaptability.

[@chesterjohnreyes4820]

Kuya zen, mga magkano po gastos magbuild ? Thank you po

[@Z3NBluster]

Look for the videos on my channel called, AR Chassis Basic Build Part 2, MA Chassis Basic Build Part 2, and FM-A Chassis Basic Build Part 2. The budget is listed for each of these cars, in those videos.

[@chesterjohnreyes4820]

ok kuya zen, nakita ko na , e pede rin po ba magbuild sa inyo or sa kanila ? thank you more power godbless

[@davoniegalicha3162]

Hello Sir do you have a sample of super x set up?

[@Z3NBluster]

No

[@glennlabonete2231]

Is trimmed tires allowed in tuned class

[@Z3NBluster]

No.

[@AymGjhey]

sir can you help me build my fma chassis. about rollers frp cutting and motors.. thank you..

[@AymGjhey]

and about the wheel what size i put in here.and what do you calk that build is it speedtech or prostock. newbie in tamiya..

[@Z3NBluster]

I have some Full Build videos planned in the future for FM-A Open Class. In the mean time you can check out my Tamiya Mini 4WD Build Playlist. There are other videos in there that are tutorials.

[@AymGjhey]

sir can i change my cowl razoback into gun bluster? what motor is fit on fma chassis for race. and what they call that build it is prostock or speedtech?

[@stinerivera2543]

Sir nagshiship ba dxn sa pinas?

[@Z3NBluster]

Ask them. Also tell them your budget.

[@neiligwrx_crystalblack6280]

Sir San pwd maka pag laro dito sfo?

[@Z3NBluster]

Look for the Facebook group Nor-Cal BayRacers Minin4WD Club San Francisco. Ask them if they still race.

[@kokomasleo]

1.4 v ? Eneloop is it ??

[@Z3NBluster]

It's the 1000mah Fujitsu Pink

[@kokomasleo]

Z3N Bluster thank you jan...will look for this battery On Indonesia

[@glennlabonete2231]

Tuned?

[@Z3NBluster]

Yes

[@glennlabonete2231]

Thanks master

[@micobalonesandjeshlynvlogs2988]

Penge na man po nyan

[@micobalonesandjeshlynvlogs2988]

Advice sirr

[@Z3NBluster]

Work on making your transmission smooth.

[@johnclarklee3973]

Kabayan, I build my AR some how similar to yours but with Power Dash motor. Why yours is so fast, do you spray something in your motor before putting it in the track? Salamat. 🤙🏼

[@Z3NBluster]

You probably have a bad transmission. Make your transmission smoother and the car will get faster.

[@johnclarklee3973]

@@Z3NBluster How can I have a good transmission? I also use 3.5:1 gear ratio. Thank you for replying. 🤙🏼

[@Z3NBluster]

It's hard to explain just by using text. Examine your gears and shafts. If you have bent shafts, it will cause a loss of power in transmission. If you have gears that are loose or are too tight when they mesh with other gears, that will cause another loss of power in transmission. Think of it as "tolerances" inside of an Engine. If there are parts that grind, are too loose, or are too tight. They will adversely affect the performance of your car's transmission.

[@johnclarklee3973]

@@Z3NBluster thank you so much, kabayan. Now I understand on how to improve my car's transmission. 🤙🏼