The Plane Crash That Killed The Bin Laden Family | The Crash Of HZ-IBN

[@MiniAirCrashInvestigation]

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[@meinkamph5327]

There being only one pilot should tell you something. The plane could have been remote control and the pilot was fighting the remote.

[@lewiskelly14]

Sponsored shit

[@guerrillaentrepreneur5999]

No sympathies earned, none given The world just got a little better Good riddance

[@JamesWhite-sl2sb]

I'm noticing 'PILOTS of today are almost just passengers , They put the planes on AUTOPILOT and away they go! and it seems to me, when they actually have to fly the plane and S##T goes haywire, it's like they have no idea of what to do they say pilots with a lot of air time in the simulators trying to Recreate the same procedures that the DOOM pilots experienced also crash & burned. they need to train re-train pilots in simulators , at least 3 to 4 times a year "MANDATORY. BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN A CRAZY STRANGE OCCURRENCE MAY HAPPEN!!! 😇

[@guerrillaentrepreneur5999]

@@meinkamph5327 Lmao a jet of that size does not require (legally) two pilots look up the specs of that make/model of jet obviously you are not a pilot.

[@brian-pu3yy]

I remember directly after the twin towers fell ,the family was allowed to fly out of the usa...many people thought that was strange ,since all planes were grounded

[@andybrown6981]

Why would it be strange that before Bush said it was bin Laden did it (WTC), were then all the bin Ladens told to leave or they wanted to leave. It doesn't make sense and doesn't ring true.

[@sherrigiles9142]

I remember that too. Bush got they out of the USA so no one would know they were in the states. Then Bush went after sudam hussan. Because sudam was a thorn in his daddy side.

[@evettefernandez2749]

Everything Bush did was shady.

[@funkoff5]

@@sherrigiles9142 that's the truth!Bush obviously had some kind of connection with bin laden that's why another president had to finish what he started.

[@Statupalmambarbacot3345]

Not a conspiracy fan, but money and friends in high places will get you a long way….

[@neilrandell5880]

Up until last year I was a regular photographer at Blackbushe and on 2014/08/15 this aircraft departed Blackbushe but almost immediately declared a problem with the nose wheel not retracting, They landed back at the airfield and stopped on the taxyway about halfway back to the terminal some one got out and walked to the nose of the aircraft then got back in, it then continued back to the runway and took off again. After reviewing my photos my suspicions were confirmed, they had left the nose wheel lock in place before the first departure ! So much for the pre-flight walk around.

[@billwynne27]

POOR JUDGEMENT TO NOT LOOK FURTHER INTO THE WHEEL ASSEMBLY FOR EXCESS SHOCK, LEAKING SHOCK ABSORBER COMES TO MIND, DAMAGE TO OTHER PARTS OF LANDING GEAR. IDIOTS.

[@dluscombephantom86]

Are you talking about the aircraft in the video?

[@CaptainRon1913]

@@dluscombephantom86 He doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

[@slh950]

@@dluscombephantom86 clearly

[@neilrandell5880]

@@dluscombephantom86 HZ-IBN the one that crashed at Blackbushe .

[@danni1993]

I'm not a pilot and have rarely been on a commercial plane. But, I must say, this was the best explanation for a plane crash ever. I understood everything you were saying! New subscriber!

[@outwiththem]

Who cares what you like. You dont know.

[@stuart8663]

@@outwiththem Check your attitude, fella. Its on the nose, and shows.

[@outwiththem]

@@stuart8663 "Im not a pilot, but i like to stuff the comment section with crap". Stupid to like that. Man up..

[@Jazz_Tamatea]

@@outwiththem Fix your attitude.

[@classickruzer1]

At least it had a happy ending.

[@ianhamilton396]

1. The Bin Laden Family are a long standing Saudi construction conglomerate since the 1940's. 2. The overwhelming majority of the Bin Laden Family, if not all, had long disowned, disavowed and condemned Osama Bin Laden BEFORE 911. 3. In the immediate hours and days after 911, and with the permission of President Bush & Prime Minister Blair, many members of the Bin Laden family living, working and studying in the United States were given special dispensation to depart America, by several private jets and landed initially in the UK and then on to Saudi Arabia.

[@usmale57]

Most of what you say is incredibly suspect. #2 however is just plane bullshit.

[@andybrown6981]

When documents were taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were writing to people in that organisation Al Qaueda and describing what to do, according to their father's will, and they were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done. He did have many daughters though.

[@kevingallineauii9353]

Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention protects Osama's family from being prosecuted for Osama's crimes (unless ofc, they conspired with him to commit those crimes).

[@Cloudminster]

Exactly, the rabid fervour of patriotism was dangerous for them to remain. Such is the need for revenge on those shores.

[@julie1630]

BUT then, when, for example, do we interview families of killers of anyone and get ALL information but not family of this horrific attack? Not only did they not interview, but flew immediately out back to Saudi Arabia when we did not know anything? All planes were grounded so why was family of the head of the attack on America allowed and family members of these terrorists?

[@Urkinorobitch]

When I was on a plane that had to abort landing twice, passengers started complainting. They did not understand that an aborted landing is a good thing. So I'm guessing the pressure from the passengers could have played a role. Maybe not directly during the flight but a simple atmosphere of ''they gonna behead me if I'm late''

[@zarlok5294]

And such a pity!

[@javierrflores]

Ala kobe

[@matthewmosier8439]

That was actually my thought. He likely was getting some real pressure to land.

[@Dkural55]

Just glad the terrorist family has lesser members now

[@imadrifter]

Complaining*

[@johnemerson1363]

A flight of that duration demanded a co-pilot. Single pilot jets are wickedly demanding in the norm, when things start getting sticky things can go down the tubes very fast.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

Cool

[@JM-nt5fm]

I don't agree, the problem here is not a great deal of experience in uncontrolled airspace. Basically he was flying into a mess and simply was not used to managing that mess. Guys just become rusty on radio work, they get flustered due to annoying alarms, maybe additional stress. He didn't need another pilot, he needed a button to shut up all the nonse, a simple 6 pack gauge set, no ATC, and being a little bit of a jerk to the prop aircraft in the pattern basically stating his minimum airspeed wouldn't make him compatible in a pattern with them so he would go and make a very long pattern / approach and be in contact with them to make sure there was no conflict. Fly the expensive stuff, take command of situations because it is absolutely less forgiving. A second pilot makes it much, much easier, but it's not absolutely necessary in this instance.

[@drott150]

Who cares about any of that? The Bin Ladens were subjected to Hammurabi's code. That's the story here.

[@lcfflc3887]

this ship jet airlines love to cut around and save money all the time.

[@Cazador60140]

Maybe Bin Laden's family could not afford a co-pilot , that is a possibility

[@dakka123]

I rate the pilot 9/11

[@MattyEngland]

Lmao

[@paullacey2999]

Oh you are naughty...

[@Ano-Nymous]

00:37 His family was escorted out of the US right after 9/11. That's even more questionable to me.

[@karaDee2363]

Not true, that was just a fabricated story

[@mangokane11]

Right

[@georgeblank2648]

Incorrect

[@mariohenriquez8599]

The government did that we don't know who's that people, but seems to me, that also, what exactly, they were doing here. Scratching their twins.?

[@dreamcatcher5502]

One word for this KARMA !!! I'm a retired Air Traffic Controller. Any good pilot would have landed without conflict. I'm also a pilot. All he had to do was GO AROUND !!! 🤦‍♀️🤣

[@yungpapi8148]

Any flight school you recommend?

[@fredhogg4361]

A demanding, difficult and entitled family being carried as passengers might also have been a factor over and above the technical ones being mentioned here.

[@catlikepizzagaming8280]

And now like a lot of others they are dead

[@randywl8925]

.....so the "demanding, difficult and entitled family" were in the cockpit telling him what to do? The cause of the crash was explained very clearly in the video.

[@fredhogg4361]

@@randywl8925 if only you had been paying attention to the story you might have understood it better. I recommend that you go back to whatever establishment attempted to give you an education and ask for a refund as they so obviously failed you.

[@KutWrite]

Yes, that's possible. He's probably flown for them before and knows what they might say or do if they're late or inconvenienced in any way. Similar to the Kobe Bryant crash... and I'm sure many others. I've worked for rich people before who are like that. It's not something I'd want to repeat.

[@randywl8925]

@@KutWrite Why is everyone throwing out theories like confetti 🎊. Egos no different than the privileged Bin Ladens? I guess it warms the tummies of the commenters who shoot from the hip speculating and proving to each other that they hate the wealthy more than the previous commenter. Hey guys, a plane crashed and the circumstances that led up to it were investigated and found multiple faults..... ....none regarding the passengers.... ...I mean the wealthy, greedy, privileged passengers that "don't pay their fair share" 🙄 My 6th grade teacher shocked the class in 1967 when she told us how to spell the word assume. "When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Wise lady.

[@hertzair1186]

TCAS doesn’t “ask” you to climb or descend…a TCAS RA tells you to climb or descend. This was a very unstable approach. Normally a Phenom on a stable approach should be no more than Vref+10 knots at 500 ft above ground and less than 1000fpm descent on final approach, which I presume would be around 100-110 kits. If you aren’t stable under those criteria, you should go around. Uncontrolled airports (no ATC on the field) are inherently risky, as you have to be pilot and air traffic controller at the same time.

[@scavenom2008]

Actually TCAS doesn't tell you or command you to do a certain action to avoid traffic, it advices you and the pilot ultimately takes the decision.

[@JM-nt5fm]

It bitches at you in a pretty demanding way. It's not demure about it.

[@BerzerkaDurk]

@@scavenom2008 By the time you get a Resolution Advisory out of the TCAS, you are within 25 seconds of a calculated collision. Pilots will immediately disconnect the autopilot and follow the RA. A TCAS RA takes precedence over everything else.

[@mydogbrian4814]

> In this age of "everything being equal" mentality; the TCAS was shouting at the pilot in Chinese.

[@cd78]

Yes but his damper valve was clogged up.

[@Quantum-1157]

The family was interrogated thoroughly by multiple authorities including USA, Saudi Arabia after 911 . In fact Saudi Arabia had revoked bin ladens citizenship back in the 1990s and he was living in exile and hiding. Also many of his family members had dissociated with him officially, publicly back in the mid-90s when he was declared an enemy of the state by the Saudis. So it’s a huge family and 90% of them had openly dissociated with him in the mid-90s , years before 911 happened.

[@DarkArtsDeepDive]

Do you think it’s a little weird how they liquidated most of their investments before 9/11 except for the Carlyle group. Do you think it’s kind of weird that the Carlyle group invest in US military contractors and the Bin Ladens only divested after they were essentially pushed out by the board?

[@Quantum-1157]

@@DarkArtsDeepDive that’s bs conspiracy theory dude! If anything mysterious selling in insurance companies and airlines stocks happened in USA days before 911 amd the US govt refused to disclose which hedge funds did it. In fact the Silversteins who owned the twin towers had them insured at considerably higher levels months before 911 even though they were trying to find buyers for the Towers for well over a year. Al Qaeda and it’s affiliates have killed 100 times more people in attacks in Middle East before and after 911 in places Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen than they did in the 911 attacks.

[@blackandgold676]

"...So it’s a huge family..." That's what happens when you have multiple wives in multiple generations, and they became fabulously wealthy by being the largest builder for the Govt. of SArabia...which is where Osammy got his $$ to go play army, AND a healthy amount of $$ to for him to go away, far away, so as not to sully the family image with the gov't.

[@Quantum-1157]

@@blackandgold676 what? Arab gulf society is tribal based even today. So a tribe has maybe 200,000 people but the tribal is maintained in ID cards etc. that doesn’t mean everyone with bin laden surname is fabulously wealthy amd appears on mtv or lifestyles of the rich and famous! The west gave up tribal identification in the 1500s to 1600s. But it was the same when it was in effect. So you are totally confused on how it works. Just like every kennedy alive today isn’t in politics or wealthy, so it’s the same there. Yes obviously the immediate bin laden family are all well heeled amd these passengers were from there. Also, we all know what goes on in the west where there are websites for married men amd women looking for sex partners. Amd sugar daddies in their 50s and 60s and beyond paying college tuitions for willing 21 year old women in return for ……. So please let’s not go down that route!

[@Centurion04]

Don't care, still wahabbists.

[@gobi3222]

Immediate family “not sanctioned or something” because they were NOT the ones who committed the crime. By this logic, the families of all murderers would have their freedoms curtailed because “a family member did a crime”. Ridiculous to state this.

[@andybrown6981]

When documents taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were telling people in Al Queda what to do, according to their father's will and were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done.

[@dizzlx4662]

Yeah just like how if you house and render aid to a murderer you are considered a totally innocent party! Oh wait... Then figure he is THE western enemy and you start to realize it's not such a crazy comment is it? No reason countries need to allow them to fraternize in their countries regardless of whether the family are 'guilty' of any crimes.

[@misham6547]

This is surprising because right now the families and even associates of Russian oligarchs are sanctioned

[@harveysmith100]

This is a classic example of why operators should carry safety pilots. Although this aircraft type is certified for single crew operation, the workload is just a large as a much bigger jet which requires two crew.

[@xmiller7691]

"Single crew" is an oxymoron, isn't it? It would be more accurate to say "uncrewed" since there wasn't a crew at all- just a solo pilot.

[@harveysmith100]

@@xmiller7691 Crew can be used in the singular

[@jstephenallington8431]

It very much sounds like the pilot became flustered due to the confusion around the ultra light (and overhead traffic) and attempted to correct by forcing the landing, when he should have waited, asked for a go around and just cleared the area completely, and THEN made a "clean" approach to the runway.

[@garybrindle6715]

It used to get very busy with jet circuit training traffic at my old RAF base, sometimes 4 in the circuit and another to join, controller could get maxed out and risk mistaken identity. So he would tell everyone to leave the circuit and call for rejoin which gave back safe spacing and allowed him get all the order back. He could also tell them to stay over a known visual point and orbit til called in to join.

[@natashapani8798]

The video stated clearly that the pilot decision making was affected due to the workload. we all must understand that we are humans and there are certain limits to our capabilities. Due to the workload, he was fixated on landing the aircraft thinking he was going to do it safely . However, it didn't happen as anticipated. The speed brakes cannot be deployed when flaps are retracted.

[@johngriffiths118]

@@natashapani8798 this incident is fundamental failure of the pilots responsibility . There is no reasonable excuse for not realising your approach speed is 50% higher than it should have been . How could he not understand a go around was necessary ?

[@fairnesspaul2594]

Maybe it was not an accident

[@carfran53]

A lot of work for a single pilot, what was a normal routinary approach and landing turn into a complicated maneuver due to distractions from TCAS warnings. Every pilot must always have in mind that if things are not going the way you planned and want it to be, the best decision is to discontinue the approach/landing.

[@LBCORP1960]

I was in a similar situation a couple of years ago. I bailed (volunteer go around) while still on downwind. I could see a potential disaster coming so I got out of the pattern and lived to tell about it.

[@tyrekegordon2492]

What probably happened was what’s called a subtle incapacitation this pilot was bombarded with so much information it essentially broke him sometimes when pilots get in what they deem to be an extremely stressful situation which may be high workload or just something that threw off everything they were going to do they just break and something like this is a result of the pilot breaking now some pilots are better then dealing with stuff than others but an important thing to remember is everyone has a breaking point something similar happened to an airline pilot he had over 3,000 hours of experience all it took was a wind shear warning to break him

[@Milesco]

@@tyrekegordon2492 Don't be afraid to use a little punctuation now and then, m'kay?

[@nommadd5758]

@@tyrekegordon2492 : Good comment. Do you know how to use 'periods' in a sentence? It would make reading your comments easier.

[@creigiihtondenynis39]

@@Milesco nobody cares if he uses periods commas run on sentences grammaticalll errors phopas punctuation miss cues 😉

[@DarthPlaya]

The C.I.A. pilots in the Microlite and the other GA aircraft flying X-country arrived at the exact right time and position to make the Phenom pilot react and then re-react, making it look like the hi-speed overshoot was an accident. 🙄

[@HDSME]

You got it!

[@baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam]

spot on

[@PApro]

The CIA don't kill the families of their own men.

[@stevenborgogna]

I was looking for the CIA conspiracy theory comment, and I found it!

[@HDSME]

No way that was a accident

[@alpearson9158]

inexplicable decision . a go around was absolutely necessary on this missed approach.

[@classickruzer1]

Well, the main thing is an airplane flew into the ground killing them all. What goes around comes around. THE END ..

[@jesusbrito3378]

@@classickruzer1 that is one way to rationalize the incident.

[@oscarb9139]

What is the difference between a missed approach and a go around?

[@yourallidiotz1121]

I hope they all experienced the same emotions, fear, and pain that all those people had on 9-11

[@Rob774]

Were his family responsible for 9-11? We are now allies with Japan and Germany who wanted us dead 70 years ago.

[@dirkadirkaallahuakbar5943]

His family is well respected, educated and honourable people. That's a horrible thing to say. Same vibes as hating all Germans coz of Nazis

[@yourallidiotz1121]

Bin Landen wanted to kill people. The people he went after didn't want anything to do with them. Respected, more like feared.

[@aaronlewis2150]

You can't condemn everyone because of something one family member does.

[@tristyy404]

Apart from wealth, connection to Saudi royals, and amount of family members; the family publicly denounced and disowned Osama in the early 90's.

[@AnimeSunglasses]

I've a strong suspicion that, though he wasn't under any chemical influence, the pilot was likely fatigued.

[@andrew_koala2974]

Fatigued and over-stressed as a result of the workload. When this happens the brain just switches OFF and cannot process all the information - it is the same that happens when one is intoxicated with alcohol. One cannot distinguish what is past and what is present. As a former AIRFORCE pilot with thirty years service - I understand what , happened here. My career began in the RAF in 1960

[@cheryledemarco5760]

Tired,impatient and probably just a little upset

[@patolt1628]

@@andrew_koala2974 From a former heavy helicopter pilot: fully agreed and I understand what happened as well

[@lcfflc3887]

on a hurry to land, have a second pilot does helps, the other one is up the other one could take a nap in between. when you tired even a 30 minutes nap while seating can make all the difference at least to land the plane safely.

[@lcfflc3887]

too bad ATC didn't warned him of approaching too fast in a much bigger airport with more traffic they would have told him to go around.

[@GamerSloth2275]

Why was a cross country flight at such a low altitude right in the landing pattern zone of an airport? That seems crazy.

[@lemonator8813]

Not sure about the UK but in the US, from aopa: We must emphasize that the requirement to comply with the VFR cruising altitudes only applies to those VFR flights conducted higher than 3,000 feet above ground level (agl). Below 3,000 feet agl, other VFR or IFR aircraft could be at any altitude that potentially may conflict with your flight path.Jul 5, 2005 You also must stay above Traffic pattern altitude, tpa, which in this case was 800' for that category of aircraft. If you're at 3000 or above you must maintain a cruising altitude based on whether you're vfr (+500') or ifr, and whether you're headed east (odd thousands) or west (even thousands)

[@GamerSloth2275]

@@lemonator8813 very insightful, thank you

[@blameyourself4489]

Uncontrolled airport?

[@outwiththem]

I have done 100 plus miles cross countries under clouds at 6-700 agl. Legal on class E. I was a student 30 hours only. Did it.

[@MiloToor]

@@outwiththem Legal isn’t the same as safe and that’s a very hazardous way to fly. Hope you’re not still scud running at all, let alone for a hundred miles…

[@Sifujonrister]

The pilot here got overloaded and with the mindset that there was traffic all around him felt a stress level to get on ground . Maybe or probably didn’t want to do a go around for fear of airborne conflicts. Just a guess. I see people in stress situations all the time fail to complete tasks that they are clearly trained and experienced at. My two cents . Love your channel bro !!!

[@ronaldlindeman6136]

I was surprised that there was a parking lot full of cars at the end of the runway. Not that I know anything else about it, but I would have thought that that area would have been keep open with only grass and brush the width of the runway for just such an event as going past the runway on landing or takeoff. Anyway, that is how I'd design it if I had the chance.

[@danielhulmes8880]

It's a huge and busy car auctions site at the end of the runway,

[@BootsEditor11]

I would just build a huge brick wall at the end of the runway and expect pilots to respect it.

[@dabomboo7o]

Inside job

[@secret222]

@@BootsEditor11 "if you can read this, you are going to die."

[@BootsEditor11]

@@secret222 "Grass may be greener on the other side of this fence, such as it is in heaven"

[@chuckb8877]

The bin Laden's weren't sanctioned because bin Laden's father had like 50 sons and one of them turned out to be a bad apple.. the bin Laden's run one of the most successful construction companies in Dubai and other spots of the Middle East

[@cmartin_ok]

Classic case of "Get-home-itis"... with so many conflicts and warning messages so close to landing he should have abandoned the landing completely and flow away for another approach. Blackbushe is just down the road from me and there are many private planes there, flown by amateur aviation enthusiasts. Most are aware of their status and take things ultra-cautiously. This pilot appears to have thought differently. I still remember hearing about this crash on local news channels

[@robertthomas5906]

Don't like what you're seeing on a landing? Too fast, too high? That's a go around. That's usually a test question. Don't chance bending up metal. Sounds like he was too high as well to the point it was obvious to the people on the ground.

[@davidb3491]

I'm not even a pilot (I hope to get my PPL in the future) and even I would have noticed the aircraft was coming in way too hot, aborted the landing and done a fly around but, I'm unsure how my mind would be after being absolutely bombarded by TCAS and once that was over have terrain warnings thrown at you, Bit of mental overload? A bit tired from the flight? Even a combo of both? The mind being overloaded makes alot of sense because he forgot about the flap settings and tried to engage the speed brake (which obviously failed)

[@robertthomas5906]

@@davidb3491 They call it get-there-itis. When you get into flying they'll tell you about airport environments and how to behave. I've never flown a jet. However, I could certainly go faster than an airport would want me to. Most airports that service GA aircraft want you around 100 MPH. When he had to climb to avoid traffic to me that was the point he should have contacted ATC and said - tower, I had to avoid traffic. I'm at X feet and need vectors to a new approach. Offer to do another loop around the airport, something. In this video they said he had to descend at 3000 FPM because of his altitude. So this is like a hawk or eagle going in for the kill. It was reckless in that environment. Normally you're more like 500 FPM around an airport approach. When you lose altitude like that depending on how he did it, you're also accelerating. I used to own a tailwheel airplane and I know how to slip down fast. Light tailwheel aircraft have a problem in that they like to go up easily. You dirty up the flight characteristics to get down fast. I don't think he did that because his passengers would likely panic. They would certainly be like - WHAT'S GOING ON! They may have done that anyway. As I said above - abort the landing. Tower, unable to land due to a collision avoidance. Going around. They'll say - maintain runway heading or turn to heading Y, climb and maintain z feet. Then they'll work you in again. There's no shame in going around in a situation like that. The most important thing is that you don't bend up the metal. No aerobatics to land, nothing unusual. Passengers, other pilots and so on like nice normal predictable flying and landings. The only time that all goes out the window is if you're out of fuel. Then declare an emergency and get it down. I think he wanted to get it done. "I can make this landing."

[@skintslots]

The US and UK governments allowed SS officers responsible who took part in the murder of millions during WW2 go back to work in post war Germany unpunished so the Bin Laden Family was hardly in their league.

[@yungcaco1443]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@skintslots]

@typo pit You are defending the Nazis? Wow! I've met my first internet loonie.You are not wrong about the other leaders though.

[@TheOpendoormedia]

Why would the family be responsible for the actions of a hate filled member?

[@ronoconnor8971]

The question asked is why do we think this happened. Maybe pressure from the back seats, late take off time, scheduling conflict. The pilot was compelled to be foolish and with 11k hrs he had to have known he was too high and too fast. Maybe just arrogance. I was in a beech hp sierra near palmdale ca. and atc had me land and take the first exit which I could not slow for. He had to divert a regional airline to go around. He got mad at me and I told him I was the pilot, not him. This was on loud speaker and when I went into the coffee shop I got a few handshakes and smiling nods.

[@FerralVideo]

PIC is final arbiter of safety. You get my upvote for standing up to unsafe instructions. I also agree with your "back seat pressure" and schedule pressures.

[@oscarb9139]

What is a Beech hp sierra?

[@timothystockman7533]

Apparently, the bin Laden family ran a large construction company in Saudi Arabia. Osama was the black sheep of the family. Another half brother, Salem bin Laden was a big aviation proponent. He was a pilot and had his own aircraft; ultimately he died when it crashed. But even more interesting is that Salem bin Laden owned a GA airport, Houston Gulf in Texas. Many NASA astronauts had their personal aircraft based at Houston Gulf because it was jus a few miles from NASA, located in League City. Back in the late 1980s, I made a flight into Houston Gulf myself, a friendly airport. Anyway, like so many GA airports, it has been wiped off the map and replaced with a residential subdivision. Local officials just could not generate enough interest to operate it after Salem died.

[@asiaexpat62]

I was an integral part of Bin Laden Aviation, later called Salem Aviation, in the 1980's and flew with Salem on numerous occasions. Bin Laden Aviation owned and managed over 10 aircraft at that time and Salem enjoyed piloting his Lear 25, HZ-SMB. Salem also owned and flew a number of ultra lite aircraft and was killed while attempting to land an ultra lite aircraft at a small airport near San Antonio,Texas. I also knew many family members including Sana.

[@georgethomas6342]

Osama was taken by the Americans to Afghanistan in the 80's to fight the Soviets. He was not a Black Sheep then. However, he developed some ill-will to the Americans and became anti-US.

[@ByzantineDarkwraith]

@@asiaexpat62 look out, there are a few people (and 10+ others who've been liking their comments) who would evidently wish death upon you for being associated with someone named Bin Laden, just as they have for the poor people who perished in the crash this video is talking about. some sick freaks we have on the internet (probably some of my fellow Americans, who shouldn't be encouraging guilt by association coming from such a country with such a... storied history, let's say)

[@avva4090]

@@asiaexpat62 That's super cool! Totally spit-balling here, but maybe the aircraft hijacking attack on 9/11 was just as much a middle finger to his accepted and respected brother as it was to America. Like, he wanted to drive a wedge between his influential family and the West with one of the primary symbols of their cooperation... Talk about high drama: a family feud that set the world on fire. That's Hapsburg levels of petty.

[@drott150]

I guess that was Salem's lot.

[@pop5678eye]

The Bin Laden family having permission to fly anywhere shouldn't be surprising in the context that Saudis get preferential visas all around the world. Even in the wake of 9/11 (14 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi) this preferential treatment was not suspended. During the 'muslim ban' controversy Saudi Arabia never made it to the list. Again, they continued to have preferential visas.

[@wehraboohunterssvu316]

thats pretty wild, why youd need something like deep ties to multiple generations of an american political dynasty to make that happen!

[@Cramblit]

It's because the Bin Laden family are bankers, and they are part of the world banking system.

[@Bj-en1qx]

Yah people dont understand bin laden had dozens of bros sisters aunts uncles and hundreds of first cousins

[@AZVIDS]

Bidens and Clintons allowed to fly anywhere also🤫

[@alexberisha8305]

Money talked and bullshit walks. America is up for sale !!

[@lk2704]

I'm putting on protective gear before I enter this comment section

[@jtuttle11]

The pilot probably should have just abandoned the landing attempt and applied power and climbed out. Better to go around than to try to stop in too short a distance. He FAILED to understand his situation.

[@middleburgprepper2342]

This saddens me. (That there wasn't more of them on board)

[@nogods342]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@patriciashackelfordboggshamp30]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 ❤❤❤❤

[@je6874]

It’s ironic that if they were sanctioned they’d be alive…

[@xyzaero]

why would they have been sanctioned? They did nothing wrong. Would you like to go to prison just because tour distant cousin robs a bank?

[@andybrown6981]

@@xyzaero When documents taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were writing to people in Al Queada and describing what to do, according to their father's will and were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done.

[@jackthegod9988]

That comment is dumb as they did nothing to be sanctioned

[@clarsach29]

"Drink very expensive tea"- I loved that.....that, along with Ascot, Henley, Wimbledon, Harrods and dinner at the Ritz are basically what rich folk do in London.

[@SEA-dv5kh]

lol as someone who works in Henley on Thames, it's crazy how the 1% live

[@captainianr]

I pretty much saw it happen. I was driving past the airport seconds after; saw the smoke ball…

[@Zoubirking-1970]

Were you !! cause I was at blackbush Basingstoke car auction that same day

[@captainianr]

@@Zoubirking-1970 yeah I live close so went home and came back on my bike for a good nose round!

[@DropdudeJohn]

@@Zoubirking-1970 I was up at the flying club, I learned to fly there many years ago and during my training somebody else crashed in that same car park but his time not overshooting but landing short following a partial engine failure

[@captainianr]

@@V8VORLICH no. It’s not a public car park. It’s a large car auction storage area.

[@emilefouquet9005]

Bin Laden was supplied and trained by the C.I.A. to carry out attacks on the Russian Military killing as many as possible within Afghanistan. He was "America's Boy" until the US Gangsters did not have any further use for him. Assassinating him was necessary to shut him up relative to other 'American Covert Operations'. As a rule, irrespective of the type of aircraft that is flown if it's carrying passengers, it should not be allowed to fly with a single pilot. This has nothing to do with Aircraft Manufacturer Single Pilot Certification. In all probability this crash was well planned and executed to murder Bin Laden's Family. To manipulate ATC is not very difficult with the British Gangsters. This should have been a 'Missed Approach' followed by a Go-Around. However the actual communications with this flight will never be known. The use of 'Commercial and General Aviation Aircraft' for the purpose of assassination is a common practice by the US Gangsters and has been going on for the past 75 Years. The ultimate cover-up for these murders is to not find the 'Flight Data Recorders', or the aircraft itself.

[@vegasjill21]

emile fouquet FINALLY!!!...someone in the comment section who is not totally brainwashed by the BIG LIE that was 9-11. !

[@FerallHog]

CIA hit. 100%

[@emilefouquet9005]

@@FerallHog It's too bad you're one of the few people that know the difference between an assassination and an accident.

[@emilefouquet9005]

@Sunny bob Quackers He was betrayed by the US Gangsters. You obviously did not understand anything I wrote

[@redbutterfly88]

I dont believe british will allowed it to crashed in their airports as if theres too much risk of british people too. if they want the can crash it on air in the sea instead. Think about that.

[@GS-wn2dw]

Could you shed light on Jim Harrington (a former US Air Force pilot) who was flying O*s*a*m*a father? They crashed in 1967 and both were killed.

[@foramericam1097]

There is always more to the story.

[@flymachine]

Someone who's rated on a Phenom should not have been challenged by the circumstances of this approach, he rushed his approach and broke procedures and ended up high and fast, you don't know what might have been motivating his need to get down fast, in the Phenom your office is situated quite close to your pax if there's some urgency or pax demand on you you'll know about it unlike in larger biz jets, I feel for him and can't help believe in a dual crew CRM environment this would not have happened. Single crew small executive transport is an accident waiting to happen.

[@bugsysdadenterprises]

@Jack Frost Get-there-itis, probably compounded by the VIP pax. You can bet they were rather snooty and demanding considering 'who' they were. If I'm reading the limited information I've found on Blackbushe, TPA is 2000 agl. That xcountry flight was really pretty low for an overflight. I can't imagine why they went single pilot, all things considered too. That approach was screaming for a go-round !! Another 5 minutes and they would've been on the ground safely. Very hard to really explain for a driver w/ 11k in the book.

[@sirbader1]

Hell, the only plane to leave the United States between the dates of 9/11/01 and 9/13/01 was the bin Laden family 747.

[@carnivaltriumphhh3604]

Wasn’t owned by bin laden it was owned by the us government and they were saudis

[@sirbader1]

@@carnivaltriumphhh3604 "Saudis" lol yeah who tf do you think that was?

[@orvil9223]

Why would you punish the entire family for the crimes of one? Do we "sanction" the families of murderers? What would you suggest they do to them? Not allow them to travel anywhere, at anytime? lol. That all being said - their plane did crash. Just sayin'

[@andybrown6981]

When documents taken from Osama's hideout house in Pakistan, it was shown a couple of his daughters were telling people in Al Queda what to do, according to their father's will and were like PAs for him, arranging deeds to be done.

[@billyhillk5726]

Entitled people usually will get to their own demise sooner than the rest of us that have patience and common sense.

[@candyman4960]

Yes , entitlement , does not halp , sometimes .................

[@alexs5394]

I haven't seen any of your videos in a couple years, and I have to say your quality is vastly improved. This one is great and I'm excited to watch all the ones I have missed!

[@AlwaysRight1111]

Why would his family be prevented from flying? Your mom’s DUI after your dad left doesn’t keep you from driving. Get smart.

[@MichaelApproved]

“Unfortunately”

[@xrptonaire]

Narrator: couldn't there be a sanction on the binladens? Life: *sanction*

[@Nippleless_Cage]

The ultralight pilot to his CIA handler: _Mission successful_

[@larrys.3992]

Similar situation happened to me and another pilot. I left the pattern and re-entered the downwind and allowed the other pilot to land. The hole time communicated my intentions. I won't place blame on anyone. I just took control of the situation to ensure a positive outcome.

[@regal8343]

God bless you Larry.

[@larrys.3992]

@@regal8343 Thank you!

[@regal8343]

@@larrys.3992 Have you flown to Africa before?

[@pop5678eye]

3000 ft/min descent is normal... on initial descent from cruise altitude. It may occasionally still be expected below 10000ft depending on the particular airport's approach. However below 2000ft altitude you hardly even need instruments to verify when your descent rate is over 3 times normal! You can see that 'the ground is coming up awfully fast!'

[@elmametzloff3017]

Given the situation, NordVPN might have saved the day by eliminating those pesky warning messages. They need to get that software approved for single pilot operation.

[@ricksneed4171]

Couldn't have happened to a nicer family... Condolences to the pilot's family.

[@WisKy64VT]

Exactly my thoughts.

[@zesolodar]

the family is actually very nice and dont share the views of their son at all. ive heard a story from someone who has meet them that osama was the black sheep of the family who went off the deep end. the daughter was actually very smart lived in switzerland was super successful changed her last name for obvious reasons. she actually wrote a great article about why the us should avoid illegal immigration and accepting so many refugees and what it could lead to. but yea pretty ignorant you are

[@andykerr3803]

@@WisKy64VT At least it didn't fly I to a building... Good riddance.

[@briancollins7191]

Osama was a castaway from his family I believe

[@mark675]

You know there's millions where these rats came from right?

[@kdrapertrucker]

To be fair, bin laden pilots never expect to have to land the plane.

[@raywharrie3758]

Perfect. Right on!

[@lee81147]

My condolences to the family of the charter pilot. As for the Binladin family good ridden

[@meyouonly]

That’s such an ignorant comment

[@razahussain860]

Why the, Bin Laden famliy are humans as well. You have no humanity at all.

[@hbtm2951]

@@meyouonly I guess he likes licking boots and leftovers...

[@harryricochet8134]

@@meyouonly Tell that to the families of the 9/11 victims who Bin Laden claimed to have been justified in killing not due to the actions of their relatives rather than the policies of their government. Who cares about these turds.

[@JordanSantana.]

@@meyouonly Not at all, they helped Bin Laden hide, good ridden indeed.

[@bobbyhall7472]

They use to be invested in allied defense as well. They are friends with the Bush family.

[@flybobbie1449]

My first thought when some more information came out, the passenger was having a go and the pilot was too slow to take control. A male was sat next to pilot.

[@jurgenblick5491]

Anything that removes evil is a good thing

[@larrysmith1851]

This is what happens when an operator chooses saving a few bucks on a properly rated SIC over safety. Single pilot ops in a jet is tempting fate and in this case was the primary causal factor in this accident.

[@michaelrmurphy2734]

Not just jets. JFK Jr was flying a prop plane.

[@larrysmith1851]

@@michaelrmurphy2734 True. Hate reading about other pilots who got themselves and their passengers killed in accidents that we're so easily avoidable.

[@michaelrmurphy2734]

@@larrysmith1851 His flight instructor offered to fly up with him. Or if he had followed the lights up the coast then turned south he would have spotted Martha's Vineyard. So unnecessary! There are several videos on YT about the JFK Jr crash. Its all very interesting.

[@larrysmith1851]

@@michaelrmurphy2734 Spatial disorientation is a powerful adversary to maintaining aircraft control. Instrument skills and experience are your only ally when flying in limited or zero vis.

[@simonwiltshire7089]

My homebase is blackbusche. It is a very busy GA airfield but with a mix of jets. Its not tower controlled and the airspace is complex. Its not a field you can ‘busk’ your way in to.

[@megathumper777]

News alert, 2 crew cockpits are a MUST in a jet !!

[@xyzaero]

Exactly. That’s what I am preaching for more than 20 years. NO SINGLE PILOT JET/TURBOPROP OPERATIONS !

[@JM-nt5fm]

That's crazy talk. They simply are not that hard to fly. If you had to monitor turbine inlet temps constantly or other issues that were a problem in earlier non-FADEC jets then yet. But that workload isn't there. The V speeds are easy to memorize. The modern controls are very intuitive. Heck even the radios are easier because you can preload everything into the system including charts. It's rediculous. The problem is lack of classic stick and ball and too much auto pilot, auto land, automated ILS approaches, etc. Scanning the instruments and maintaining course, altitude, airspeed is a perishable skill. It sounds like this guy was tired or stressed or something was going on. BE SAFE .... remember emotion is one of those E's.

[@drott150]

Guess you never heard of an F-18, Harrier, F-15, F-16 etc etc etc.

[@megathumper777]

@@drott150 breaking news when things go wrong in a fast jet you pull the yellow handle and bang out of there…… Baby Bizz jets don’t have the luxury of the finest cream of the crop up in the pointy end, single crew civilian jet pilots can and will get over loaded!

[@drott150]

@@megathumper777 Oh, oh fast jet...well why didn't you say so!? And you're so right. Those dummy biz jet pilots are half as smart as fast jet pilots so ya gotta have two at all times! Never mind that many of those biz jet pilots were fast jet pilots before being biz jet pilots. _Genius!_ 😂

[@huebylesjr.3152]

He may have been fast coming across the numbers, but he certainly could see that he was very long on touch down. A full power go-around would have saved lives and a good airplane.

[@tbbigrocker149]

I "GET IT"....touche'👍

[@user-ph1cm5jt4b]

Bin Laden's family... was in a plane crash... thats fucking poetic justice.

[@AndreDMalan1966]

I lived in Saudi Arabia for a time, and the Bin Ladens were very, very wealthy business people, mostly uniterested in politics and religion. Osama was not the favorite. After 9/11, they changed their company name from Bin Laden Group to New Horizons.

[@ryanfrisby7389]

Amazing video! I literally laughed out loud at the expensive tea comment!😹

[@lairdcummings9092]

Bad case of "getthereitis." Bottom line, he needed a co-pilot.

[@scavenom2008]

All he needed was to abort the landing....it takes one person to do that

[@lairdcummings9092]

@@scavenom2008 not when tunnel vision strikes. That requires someone outside the loop to butt in. That's old, well-known wisdom.

[@androidemulator6952]

..with a dose of demanding, rich, entitled passengers complaining they were late thrown in_ i call that the "Kobe Bryant effect"

[@hbtm2951]

@@androidemulator6952 Yeah right, 11k hours and he commits a 100 hours pilot mistake. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[@thetdchannel]

Single piloted…….was the first mistake. A seasoned pilot would have slowed things down and simply would have went around. Total pilot error.

[@alton4357]

U can't say its a mistake since the amount of passengers that this plane can carry doesn't reach the number of passengers that's requires 2 pilots so its completely legal

[@thetdchannel]

@@alton4357 Has nothing to do with the number of passengers when it comes to making the [right operational] decisions. I was a captain for a major US airline. I flew routes over the Pacific Ocean 95% of my time. I had dispatchers that gave me flight plans that met [legal] fuel requirements for the flight. It’s the Captains job to look at the BIG PICTURE….therefore even though the dispatcher/computer kicked out a [legal] fuel plan I overruled the plan many times adding more fuel to increase the [SAFTY MARGIN]. Single pilot flying passengers mean [single mind] and a [single set of eyes] when the S**** hits the fan. Most of these private operations think only of saving money totally depending on technology to carry the day. I was ask at one time would I take over the operations of a well known celebrity that had his own jet. My response was …..”I don’t believe you want to pay for my level of safety!”

[@maxsmodels]

So much for the stable approach philosophy.

[@catlikepizzagaming8280]

Cross country trip, let’s fly directly over a busy airport

[@Jazz_Tamatea]

Wow...My guess is, is that this pilot must of been heavily fatigued. Also, I read in another comment that the pilot tried to do a go around, after touch down, but apparently hit a perimeter fence/wall with the rear of the aircraft. Is this true?

[@PN_48]

It happens around Blackbushe - a mix of microlights, GA and biz jets, with some under control of Farnborough radar and others talking to BBS tower. UK airspace is tight enough as it is, then the combo of fast and slow makes it puckering stuff at times.

[@wilsonmuir]

Ridiculous to have these microlights flying near passenger jets that are differently advised and controlled --- he came down like he was too flustered to try running the gauntlet with these pests again , not too mention his bosses sitting behind. A single pilot --- not enough here.

[@DMC888]

I wonder if the market was still open that year. It always seemed risky to me having that huge market right next to an airfield.

[@stevetaxpayer6664]

Finally, a Mini Air Crash Investigation with a happy ending.

[@stanleyhood7354]

Does this mean that the Ben Laden family which owned a massive construction company, will not profit from Ben Laden's destruction and mayhem?

[@centeguahan3760]

In a situation as this, its commonly known that the TCAS may have been low on blinker fluid upon final approach. Every pilot's worst case scenario given that he had to perform such drastic maneuvers last minute under pressure.

[@blueberrybysam5092]

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[@KSparks80]

Wow! I never thought about the blinker fluid being low, but it would make sense as this plane is well known for chewing up muffler bearings when the fluid goes low. Between the TCAS warnings going off, the cockpit CaMBO (Catastrophic Muffler Bearing Overheat) warning lights and alarm, let alone the red hot bearing chunks rocketing through your engines, they didn't stand a chance of landing that bird. They never realized that they'd been banged by the dick of doom.

[@tigergreg8]

Low Blinker Fluid has been known to cause quite a few horrific accidents. Some not accidents too. Sometimes people eliminate the Blinker Fluid in order to cause chaos.

[@KSparks80]

@@tigergreg8 Damn those chaotic bastards! Just "fun 'n games" until someone pokes an eye out. Then, it's just fun! But that's beside the point.

[@oscarb9139]

Commonly known? I guess I am out of the loop on this one. Why do you say that TCAS is low on blinker fluid at this altitude? How does it work when an aircraft is low?

[@R.-.]

Maybe the overhead bins were too heavily laden?

[@bretthepler722]

I see u bro

[@paullacey2999]

😉

[@toma5153]

You win!!!!😄

[@candyman4960]

Your a genius. Tried to respond , but cant match yours. Well done !

[@johnmehaffey9953]

Experience should have told him to go around, safety of passengers and aircraft should override everything

[@andrewstafford-jones4291]

Just a coincidence that these people met their demise so abruptly ??

[@AttorneyBCollins]

Yes. The Bin Laden Family is filthy rich and there are a lot more of the family than that. Osama was "Supposedly" an outcast.

[@drott150]

They were subjected to Hammurabi's code. I'm sure that thought crossed their mind as they burned to death in a crashed civilian airplane.

[@andrewstafford-jones4291]

@@drott150 Spot on

[@Callie190]

And in an aircraft no less. Karma extends deep.

[@candyman4960]

@@Callie190 Karma ! , you got it !

[@thedigitalpeople]

Subbed! your speaking style, knowledge and commentary is GENIUS! you have it figured out my friend. keep up the good work!!!!

[@ashtonbailey3970]

Pilot overlooked the key rule… when not sure… go round!

[@targa009]

This jet should really have two pilots when flying in Europe.

[@robertlane913]

A few thoughts on your analysis. I don't believe Bin Laden Family will be missed. Perfect landing by the captain. 🤣

[@harryricochet8134]

Indeed, their being burned alive was a particularly nice touch, hopefully it was an agonising death.

[@__z4ne__823]

Osama was an outcast son. The bin laden family is Saudi Arabian royalty. Osama was a black sheep

[@Christian762]

It's a really shame about the pilot and the plane. That was a nice plane and prolly an ok guy as the pilot. Cargo was replaceable at least.

[@kevinpheley574]

I’ve met some of the family in Boston, they’re actually great people and we’re extremely opposed to what Osama was doing,

[@zesolodar]

the family is actually very nice and dont share the views of their son at all. ive heard a story from someone who meet them that osama was the black sheep of the family who went off the deep end. the daughter was actually very smart lived in switzerland changed her last name for obvious reasons.

[@juk-hw5lv]

Crashes like this make me afraid of non-towered airports, ESPECIALLY when we have Microlights mixed with bizjets in the pattern

[@carlcushmanhybels8159]

The Bin Laden family were well respected international Real Estate & other businesses. Osama was the 'black sheep.' Other Bin Ladens OK people.

[@studebaker4217]

Remaining Bin Laden family still use helicopters to get to their UK residence, all of 4 miles from Blackbushe. At least the 2015 crash didn't fly low over my village, unlike most ATC Farnborough-controlled jets.

[@LichuStar64]

On one hand your fam is not responsible for your crimes. On the other F*"" them.

[@candyman4960]

Precisely !

[@nooneknows9545]

Hi I have a question, does anyone else have trouble with the sound (volume) on these videos? I have everything up to maximum, ( I use a laptop windows 10) and it is still difficult to hear. This only happens on this channel, have checked all the settings and everything is ok. This is NOT a criticism of this channel as I watch every video and love them all. Thank you

[@ToreDL87]

I'm on W10 as well, and use a addon for more volume on Firefox (browser).

[@dizzlx4662]

Well done by ATC. The only 'fortunately' that belongs in this video is that no one on the ground was injured.

[@argonaut_aero]

Quite an ironic ending for a family with such a history

[@Phiyedough]

I still get Osama and Obama mixed up!

[@goaway9977]

Yeah well imagine my shock when this black dude from Chicago was elected President in 2008 *and* apparently I had voted for him too. I never got the two of them mixed up again after that lol.

[@bsmccrunner4]

How? Not hard

[@maverickhistorian6488]

Not much difference between them, they both follow the same perverse religious beliefs.

[@rickpilot601]

I flew some of the Bin Laden family in a Challenger from Saudi to Heathrow, I remember 2 daughters, very happy to dress in Jeans for the arrival in London, and sad to have to change back on the return flight. All were nice people, turned up on time to meet the slot time for departure. As far as this report, as usual, a lot of extraneous stuff. Main cause, pilot was in unstabilised approach, should have gone round, end of...quote 'he maybe felt he was not going so fast, what the hell is an airspeed indicator for!!!!

[@krisb-travel]

when ever ive seen footage of the bin laden family ive always thought they do not match the monster image the western government was trying to portray. Its all about money, oil and power, the word ''terrorist' is such a funny word, media potrays these people like theyre just hanging around waiting to do evil acts just for fun.

[@hunting4one]

I feel sorry for the pilot and the plane....but the cargo I couldn't care less about.

[@LK-pc4sq]

the bin laden children and rest of the family kicked Osoma out of the family before 911. They had nothing to do with his rebellious behavior.

[@Heart2HeartBooks]

Best plane crash EVER! Poetic Justice.....they burned like our 3000 citizens did.

[@oswaldjames5332]

Oh Boy,The Narrative got to many! Smdh.😎

[@RodCalidge]

The Bush family is as shady as it gets and has been for a long time. They and the Bin Ladens go waaaaaaaay back.

[@helpdeskjnp]

UBL’s descendant's’ dogs and cats shouldn’t be allowed to go to the vet, and his entire family line shouldn’t be allowed to get oil changes for their vehicles/space ships in the future. Why punish someone who didn’t do anything? Sins of the father type stuff is what’s wrong with the world… nobody wants to forgive and people want to carry hatred around for stuff their ancestors did.

[@Reaperdeathpunch]

What the fuck are you even on about?

[@matthewhaworth5935]

Doesn't it seem ethically questionable that a family reaping the benefits of ill gotten gains and blood monies can just jaunt around the world in their charter jets to their numerous beautiful residences? We aren't talking insider trading, or tax evasion here...

[@MovieMakingMan]

The Bin Laden clan made its money by being close to the Saudi royal family. They received exclusive contract to build mosques from that clusterf*k of corrupt Saudi abusers. To get such a contract they had to be corrupt too. All of the Saudis’ money is blood money stolen from the people. The bib laden clan didn’t care. They were as corrupt as the Saudis. I agree about the ‘sins of the father’ thing but anyone who gets massive contracts from the Saudis is corrupt. They know all the money they are taking is drenched in blood. I have no sympathy for those who hurt others or who take money from people who hurt others.

[@james-he7xv]

@@piggiesshadetreemechanics3657 you’re seriously asking such a dumb question? Who’s money we’re they spending, the money they earned at their day jobs!

[@james-he7xv]

@@piggiesshadetreemechanics3657 the comment posed was about monies from nefarious acts, not about any legitimate companies they may have had a interest in. Jeffery dalmer also ate salads, doesn’t negate the fact that he ate people also.

[@leoblum0631]

On September 13, 2001, just two days after the alleged terrorist attack on the WTC in New York and the Pentagon in Washington, only two aircraft in all of the US were allowed to take to the skies, carrying close family and friends of Bin Laden back to Saudi-Arabia. Years later Usama Bin Laden himself was supposedly killed by US Navy Seals in his Pakistani compound. We were never shown his dead body. Allegedly, it was buried at sea to avoid public attention. Then the Navy Seals themselves, who had carried out the assassination operation, supposedly were shot down and killed while flying a military helicopter in Afghanistan. And now this. Members of the Bin Laden killed in a fluke airplane crash in England. Do you believe the official explanation? I don't!

[@KM-em9me]

The jet should have been cleared to land as it was already in its final approach, while the lighter aircraft should have been given the go around.

[@outwiththem]

The jet was not on final, dummy.

[@DropdudeJohn]

You don't get cleared to land at Blackbushe and the jet has no more priority then any other aircraft, if its number 2 on finals then its number 2 on finals

[@DropdudeJohn]

@@outwiththem Well it was, the screw up was on final

[@KM-em9me]

@@DropdudeJohn When a learjet is short on fuel it should be given priority to land and all other aircraft on approach should be put on hold. That said, the pilot of the learjet should have pulled up the nose to reduce his airspeed before touching down.

[@DropdudeJohn]

@@KM-em9me Well neither of those things happened in this case did they and if this guy had pulled the nose up to slow down he would have landed in Basingstoke, you really have no idea what you are talking about

[@jerryhutchinson3639]

That was a message. Not a hit, or accident. A message