Pilots Can't Land on Short Runway

This is what happens if you land on too short of a runway.
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[@skullcrusher3511]

Hi 74gear I know you are probably not going to see this comment but I just wanted to let you know that your videos inspired me to become a pilot myself it sort of opened my eyes into the world of aviation and for that I would like to say a big thanks and I hope you continue making amazing informative videos, much love thank you once again.

[@jmax8692]

Same, 30 hours in many more to go thank you so much Kelsey

[@jillcrowe2626]

I'm so happy for both of you. That's the beauty of KZbin. Good people can learn that the career that they didn't even know that they would love is out there.

[@suegardner]

Fantastic! Congratulations. Hope he reads your comment ❤

[@ignoto2010]

Congrats to both of you 🎉 I haven't because I'm a software architect and that's what I know I'm good at (plus nobody dies when a build tragically fails 😂) BUT, thanks to Kelsey I became an aviation enthusiast and I bought a flying simulator to learn more according to Tik Tok with that experience I can now pilot a passenger flight without any need for further training... lol

[@beverlyweber4122]

Congratulations!! Best of luck to you!

[@HerbertPollard]

I’m 63 now but at 18 fresh out of high school I joined the Air Force. One of the things that was stressed was professionalism. At the time I really didn’t understand; but now I do understand. This here was a clear case of what professionalism looks like. From the crew to atc they made it look easy. Once again thanks for the great break down.

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

And checklists (USAF officer here. Went through flight school but medically disqualified). Checklists are meant to minimize the risk of missing a critical step. I loved when pilot said "re-run the numbers." He wasn't guessing, he was calculating to confirm his needs. That is a great air crew member.

[@S.Clause]

Yes

[@nikischneiter1384]

Thank you for your service. ❤

[@jamiesuejeffery]

In my neighborhood, like most in the U.S., there is a firehouse just down the street. We drive by it every time we leave the house. People sometimes misunderstand when I say this, but it makes me so happy to see the fire crew with one of the trucks pulled out and they are washing it. That is really, really good news. A) They don't have anything better to do than wash the truck. B) They are ready to roll just in case they are needed. I was on a flight once that had some type of emergency on takeoff. (It was a wide body of some sort. I can't remember the type.) All I know is that there was a loud bang and then pretty good vibrations. We turned around almost immediately and landed safely with a whole bunch of emergency vehicles lining the both sides of the runway. Luckily, they were not needed, and we taxied back to the gate. And that is why we pay firefighters to wash their trucks...so they will be there just in case.

[@beverlyweber4122]

Solid! Yes, we WANT firefighters to be a bit bored, not busy.

[@Zyo117]

I take the same attitude towards most public service. We want them to be ready to do the best they can, not overworked, underpaid, and demoralized.

[@huskyhooligans999]

@@beverlyweber4122Couldn’t agree more, I’m a Firefighter and wouldn’t be more happy if I never attended another incident again, particularly house fires or road traffic collisions.

[@argentum530]

Washing the Engines/Truck (different apparatus) has a side benefit. It allows us to spot any potential issues we might encounter on a response. Loose equipment, missing equipment, indications of a fluid/oil leak. A new drip, a bit of rust or Dave's missing sunglasses wedged in next to the 6" hydrant connection hose... Oh yeah, not just wash but shammy dry too.

[@Zyo117]

@@argentum530 also helps to prevent corrosion in Salty environments like my locale.

[@julie-annd1522]

My Dad, who I had lived with and cared for, for 14 years, passed away a few weeks ago. In his last years, a bevy of KZbin creators gave him a larger view to the outside world, showing lives akin to his own, and also lives he could have led, but chose other paths. He saw images of his homeland, rode along with pilots, narrowboat, bus, train and truck drivers, watched as an old ship was painstakingly brought back to life, laughed as the King's Guard horses got narky. Dad would often fall asleep watching the content you all created, listening to the voices of people who had become like friends. In his final days, when he was restless and unable to sleep, or was afraid to sleep, he asked for you all. Dad had family with him at all times, but he also found comfort in hearing the activites and voices of the people who had kept him company throughout the years, he shared with us your stories, and was able to rest. I hope knowing that you had a positive impact on someone's life, in a far away place, uplifts you. Thank you 🙏

[@MaryHogan_TrailsByTrike]

This is lovely to know about. Thank you for sharing.

[@J.C...]

😢 "afraid to sleep" wow that hit hard. I can only imagine. I'm so so sorry for your loss. 🙏🥺

[@chrismc3744]

My wife is not an internet nerd like me, but she watched this video and said, "THAT! That is the kind of pilot that I want (referring to you)." For context, we both used to be consultants (in different fields and at different times), but we've spent a TON of time flying around the world. Confidence and competence is what you want: Be it a plumber, pilot, or even someone packing your groceries, and you, sir, have that in spades. Been watching your content for years. Keep 'em coming. :)

[@MADHIKER777]

I like your graphics! Nice addition to the channel.

[@alanmiller9681]

Your wife wants the best and most competent pilot? Doesn’t that contradict the United CEO’s DEI policy?

[@Maxid1]

That's why Kelsey gets all the chicks. Keep an eye on your wife....

[@icewipe]

I flew to Cuba one time. The pilot warned us the flight would be turbulent quite a bit. But he ended with saying, "you're lucky that I'm at the controls. You're in good hands." His confidence put me at ease.

[@hjr2000]

​@@Maxid1he's married these days

[@TheOnceMoreGaming]

It's nice to see pilots and atc working together and nobody is at fault for anything ^_^

[@georgesheffield1580]

The landing plates make it look like the flight plans and runway lengths are not coordinated in their design with that tight turn in there. Heavys don't need to do acrobatics in landing

[@UCQmxWH9e2sMpQMAFOiKdojw]

24:37 “little boy play with a million dollar truck” had to laugh at that since you fly a plane that was hundreds of millions

[@Damien.D]

Yeah but Kelsey's dream was to be a fireman, not a pilot. He can't stop mentioning these fire trucks with super-cool water canons. I hope he'll be allowed to spay his own plane when he'll retire.

[@tigerman1978]

I have been allowed to play with said airport firetruck (on two occasions) and they really are cool toys (and spray a LOT of water real fast). One thing is the videogame like cannon you control with a joystick, but another very handy feature is the ability to spray water underneath the truck as well, enabling you to move into areas that have (minor) fires going on if need be.

[@zeff1015]

The water flow issue is likely the main reason they don't want to do it. They typically flow 400-800 gallons per minute. So there's a lot of laying hose etc that goes along with that.

[@justaskin8523]

@@zeff1015 - Yeah. I don't know how many gallons the airport fire trucks can carry, but my local truck carries only 700-800 gallons. That's about a minute of flow to empty. If you have more than a couple of garbage cans to extinguish, then you have to be hooked up to city water.

[@andrewjames1366]

Once I got to drive a P-23 ARFF at the manufacturer’s testing facility. We hit a two-foot wall at 35 MPH and didn’t feel a thing. The truck flew over rough terrain like a boat over smooth water. That was some impressive engineering. Oh, and they can empty their tanks in about 45 seconds. That’s a lot of foam in a very short time.

[@michaelbrown5551]

About 11 years ago I retired from a major international airport, after about 28 years in airport operations and management. I was also a volunteer firefighter at the time. After conducting my last shift briefing, the fire Captain offered to let me take one of their new multimillion ARFF rigs out for a spin (with him onboard, of course). We drove on the airfield to the other side of the airport and he let me use the water cannon on the training aircraft. Since I was still on duty, I was authorized to drive on the AOA. Being an Airport Duty Manager, private pilot and firefighter it was the trifecta of bucket items for my last day. My proudest moment was being able (on my first try) to back that behemoth into proper alignment to go back into the bay (after they refilled it). I’ll never forget that gift! I love the depth of detail in your videos… Thank You!

[@M_SC]

In comedians in cars getting coffee Jerry Seinfeld gets to drive a large tour bus or truck or something and he backs it into a parking space with 2 other trucks on either side the first time and he’s so proud, I bet it was like that

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Sounds like an awesome last day! I'm so glad you really enjoyed it!

[@HugoToledo]

Thanks for taking the time to share this recap of a great career! 🎉🎉🎉

[@ElizabethWarrenYeahYeah]

When I was 19, I was given the opportunity to drive to cab of a articulated lorry down the motorway. First I had to reverse the fully laden lorry and trailer in between two parked lorries, off my blind side, then stop the engine. I managed to park it but stopping the engine was a bit different. I put it into the high gearbox and put it in a high gear, then let out the clutch which stalled the engine. My friend was Impressed as that was the only way to stop the engine. Then I had to wind down the support legs and disconnect the air brakes, lights and hydrolics. I managed that, then I was free to take the cab out on the road. I took it onto the motorway at Watford Gap, drove it to the next junction, looped over the motorway and came back to Watford Gap. I was so small that when we hit a bump in the road I flew out of my seat and my feet left the pedals. I held onto the steering wheel and waited to plop back into my seat. I was doing 70mph and loving every minute of it. My friend took a huge risk in letting me drive it and his idea of making me reverse the truck and stopping it were the conditions he thought I'd never meet so that's why he offered, then honoured the chance of a spin in the cab. This was in the late 70s when trucks weren't limited to certain speeds and there was less traffic on our roads. I had great fun. Later that year I got to plop the course and "drive " a cross channel ferry. I've also driven a steam train at age 17. I have a habit of asking people with impressive machinery how they drive it. I've played with massive diggers and was due to have an afternoon playing with the large construction equipment in a yard but that's not happened. I guess I might even ask to drive any ambulance taking me to hospital if ever I'm injured. Stay curious people!

[@Iago1604]

Big props to your graphics person, they really went above and beyond piecing together the sim footage. We'll done you!

[@carlveilleux5744]

ATPL here. You are very good at explaining how things happen, but also why they happen and how we think and react, as airline pilots. It's really amazing to hear you explain a lot of details we even don't think about, as this is so natural for us ans engraved in our brains and we all think similar as we are all trained to manage situations in a similar way. When you say at some point we need to make a judgment call that can be challenged or judged later if something happens, this is so true. Good job!

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

While manytimes I think over repeated, I think Kelly's videos are invaluable because they're an experienced pilots take and opinions (not a desk jockey guesses) rather than just the NTSBs report.

[@sagittarius_]

Kelsey's channel is the REAL flight channel, bcs it takes you directly into the cockpit and almost makes you feel like one of the crew. I think that is why so many of us like it so much. Besides that Kelsey is an awesome guy of course.❤

[@juliemanarin4127]

He is a great guy...funny too. I'm sure he is a wonderful pilot!

[@jimsteinway695]

There are much better aviation channels, this is like an intro to aviation channel. Pilot debrief. CW lemoine blancolirio are better blood and guts aviation channels. Along with Ward Carroll. Interestingly they are all ex military pilots citationmax and premier 1 driver are private jet pilot channels. Premier 1 is an ex Air Force pilot

[@wildgurgs3614]

He IS cool...when he's well fed XD

[@ninjalectualx]

How do you know he's an awesome guy? Weird parasocial comment

[@DabNaggit]

@@ninjalectualx it's Kelsey on a sock account lol

[@scodavis]

This video taught me two things. First, I am too stupid to be an airline pilot. Second, I am waaaaaaaaay too stupid to be an air traffic controller. This was amazing. Kelsey, the depth of knowledge you have to do what you do is amazing. Thank you for this amazing video.

[@tinag4262]

I never realized the depth of knowledge pilots possess until I started watching 74 Gear and Mentour Pilot. Such a complex environment they work in! I have learned to admire the amazing mental fortitude of these outstanding individuals.

[@M_SC]

Same. I’m quite smart at lots of stuff but this kind of stuff, no, I am lousy and dumb.

[@mbvoelker8448]

It's not so much raw IQ as their amazing ability to track multiple streams of information and envision the 3-D environment -- projecting that mental picture into the future. It's just stunning how they handle the shifting environment.

[@lydiagalvan7484]

Pilots don’t get paid enough for the complexity of their jobs. Getting to fly must make up for this at least a bit. Regardless, Respect.

[@brnmcc01]

@@mbvoelker8448 Yeah, I tend to get too focused in on one thing, and then everything else turns into a distraction that I tend to want to tune out. I'm a one thing at a time kind of guy

[@bertblankenstein3738]

Nice to hear the successful outcome of this situation. I like that the pilot had a plan reasoned out and stuck to it. ATC was helpful the entire way. Good job all around.

[@sumikomei]

This is professionalism at its finest. love to see things handled this well by everyone involved

[@angelraburn4401]

Nice exchange and problem resolving. Good to see the positivity and support rather than crap show that so many create. I’m not a part of aviation but i do fly frequently. Love Captain Kelsey Sunday’s. ❤

[@Iago1604]

Mad props to your graphics person, they really went above and beyond piecing together the flight simulator game footage. WELL DONE YOU!

[@zhirsr]

This is a great one. I love the focus on flying and not bad passangers

[@ninjalectualx]

I really thought this was turning into a drama channel. It may still tbh

[@scottbush8767]

As a retired member of a volunteer fire dept for 27 years, I got to check out the Oshcosh fire trucks at a Canadian Airforce Base one year. I got to shoot the water cannon on the truck. It was so cool. We got tours of the aircraft that came into the base and where to disconnect batteries etc in case of a crash. The flight path of the planes are over our rural municipality. Thanks for the great video.

[@CaptainSeato]

Kelsey breaking character to nerd out on fire truck water cannons is pretty damn wholesome.

[@realdjoffski]

Lazer water

[@cdrenfro6682]

It's refreshing to see competent, professional individuals under pressure doing their jobs well. Good to know they're out there.

[@EffSharp]

Honestly that’s why I watch this channel, it’s somehow comforting to me to see experts expert-ing. 😂

[@test40323]

fascinating dance to mitigate risks on landing heavy in a busy airport with a malfunction. thank you Kelsey for helping us appreciate what was happening.

[@messrsandersonco5985]

Sounds more like juggling!

[@petedesalvo7398]

That was an excellent learning video. As a passenger I really liked the way everything was handled professionally and safely. I also love the graphics as you talk it really helps me visualize what’s happening. Thanks again, through your videos you single handedly allowed me to lose my fear of flying. Now I can visit far away relatives. Thanks for all you do.

[@maryabbott5005]

Happy that his videos Helped you "Broaden your Horizons" so you could have More Memories with Family and Friends!!!🎯💯🤩🫡💕💕

[@ex-iu6ci]

Hey Kelsey, if you ever fly into IND come on up to my local fire department, we'll let you play with the deck gun.

[@_purge9488]

He’ll be dodging Lift planes left and right 😂

[@emilschw8924]

Would like to see a video of Kelsey playing with a big water gun 😂

[@Docstantinople]

If I bring my son there would you let him play with the deck gun? He’s 6 and talks everyday about wanting to be a fireman

[@maryabbott5005]

​@@emilschw8924YES Most DEFINITELY!!!🎯💯🫡🤩💕

[@kenbrown2808]

@@Docstantinople keep your eye out for fire department activities in your town. Firefighters love showing their stuff to kids.

[@tetedur377]

When I lived in Tulsa, Texas Aggie jokes were pretty popular. One of my favorites goes like this: An Aggie student was taking flying lessons at A&M with, as it happens, and instructor who happened to be an alum. So they take off, and everything is fine, until they go to land. Instructor: "Now pay attention, this is a very short runway. If you miss the spot, you have to be ready to go around and try again. Otherwise, you'll go off the end of the runway and cause damage to the plane." Student pilot: "Copy that, sir!" Now the instructor could have let it go at that, but he kept reiterating every few minutes how short the runway was, and how careful the student needed to be. Even as they touched down, the instructor was yelling "Brake, brake, brake!" They finally rolled to a brake-smoking, tire-screeching stop, just shy of the end of the runway. Instructor: "Well done! I told you it was a short runway. Good job." Student, looking out the window: "Thank you sir. Question: how come the runway is so wide?"

[@grondhero]

😆

[@vx5468]

😂😂😂😂

[@Stant123]

Absolute facepalm with that punchline. Well done.

[@andysweetser3487]

👍

[@Evanstonian60201]

Us gyroplane pilots (or at least gyroplane-rated, I'm not really exercising it) should start telling that joke about our favorite exotic rotorcraft where that could actually be a viable strategy...

[@truevulgarian]

I see it as the ATC giving the pilots options, providing them info they may not have or presenting information that may have escaped their attention while they work through there issue. Taken or not, it's good to have options and be allowed to pick the one you like best. Great teamwork.

[@davehall8584]

yes..agreed.....the approach controller was opening up options..great job..

[@direwolf1883]

You have a good channel here Sir. Plenty of info, dummied down and fully explained to the smallest detail. You really know how to teach people things.

[@maryabbott5005]

Well stated!!🎯💯🫡😁

[@siobhanrikan6428]

I wouldn’t say dummied down, more like well explained in easy to understand terms.

[@direwolf1883]

@@siobhanrikan6428 agreed. That is much better put.

[@M_SC]

Broken down, fully broken down might fit better, for flow.

[@deeluu905]

I like the way you always give the pilot the benefit. You explain everything well and you are kind about it. Thank you.

[@faywallace7870]

Love your videos. My Dad was an Airforce pilot and also flew the B-52 (like your friend) in the early 60s during the cold war when I was 4 years old. Nothing to do with this video but I do enjoy watching your videos.

[@Mac_Kymera]

I love stories like thus. I loved how the controller and pilots remained 100% professional throughout - no jargon, assessing the situation and options from both ends, reaffirmed everything so nothing was missed, and best of all no one was hurt.

[@evanm6739]

The more you learn about flying and aviation the more you understand just how helpful the traffic controllers are

[@terrybutler1231]

The only time you don’t want extra fuel is… When you’re on fire😂. That had me laughing out loud.❤

[@ahoannon5711]

Yes. Gotta remember that: don't pack extra fuel when you plan to be on fire. 🤣

[@judebrad]

Me too!

[@CaptainMannyUK]

standard joke for pilots :)

[@pearbussaban-sandidge3912]

Thanks 😂. I laughed at that part too l.

[@philippal8666]

You’re overweight…. And can’t take off…

[@colmortimer1066]

One thing to add about emergency crews, 95% of the time they go to work and do nothing. If any little thing goes down, it gives them something to do. So for them, it is nothing to gear up and do their hour worth of work for the month. But if something goes wrong at that point, they are ready to start saving lives.

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

And, good practice. No practice could mean critical delays in a real emergency.

[@jfbeam]

They don't just sit around, they train constantly.

[@colmortimer1066]

@@jfbeam The point was a pilot should not be worried about the emergency crews being bothered. Even the days they are training, it is not the kind of things where they are like, "Awe man, we are not going to get our training done because some jet had and engine blow out." Training for them is pretty much doing "nothing" to kill time for when they actually have something to do...at which point it's go time, and they become heroes, if needed. But my comment was all about why pilots should not be worried about getting the emergency crews involved.

[@seanpellegrino2989]

​@colmortimer1066 the firefighters stationed at the airport I worked at would do a practice run to the taxiway or one of the runways every day. Then periodically they'd practice extinguishing a fire on an old piece of an airliner fuselage. They aren't going to be bothered by responding to a potential issue no matter how minor it is, but they're also not your average firefighters who are just hanging around at a firehouse cleaning equipment between calls.

[@jwyzdm]

I worked at a small airport 40 yrs ago with about 15 commercial flights a day. The emergency crew trained a lot. But instead of just sitting around all day, everyone had jobs working throughout the airport from maintenance and janitorial to baggage and car rental.

[@Sheherezade]

I would really be interested in a video of how you became a pilot … when you first thought about this career, the jobs and education you had along the way that got you to where you are now!

[@Anna_Xor]

He sprinkles that information throughout his videos.

[@jakester455]

He's gone over this a number of times.

[@beverlyweber4122]

@@jakester455 That as how he started the channel, yep. He's come a long way since then!

[@Sheherezade]

@@Anna_Xoryeah, sprinkles it in but it would be really nice to see it all in one place! This would be especially helpful for young kids who are thinking about becoming pilots, but don’t have family members who are pilots (or anything more than private pilots).

[@maryabbott5005]

AGREED...The ENTIRE journey of becoming a pilot, from childhood until completion of his flight school would be Awesome to watch!!!💯🫡💕🙏🏻

[@FeralPreacher]

This was the best explanation of a minor emergency I have ever heard. Thanks for sharing.

[@josephhaack5711]

My oldest son is a maintainer for United and my younger son is starting hisbATO training g. They both love your channel as do I !Thanks

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

It's awesome to see you do videos like this to show when things go right. There are valuable lessons in when things don't end in disaster as well, but those situations don't usually get as much coverage.

[@AlexBoots303]

"The only time you don't want extra fuel is when you're on fire" That belongs on a shirt 😂

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

Indeed❤

[@larsharris]

Would bring 20k pound lighter make much difference? If 38800 lbs well over 90 minutes. I assume 10800 lbs @30 minutes? A Quick Look says it’s nearly a million lb plane alone. So 20k lbs likely not enough to matter on braking?

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

@@larsharris breaking can be complicated at high speed 🤺

[@timsmothers8740]

​@larrythompson8630 Yes, that's like throwing a deck chair off the Titanic !

[@larsharris]

@@pilotnamealreadytaken6035 braking even more. You might break something.

[@jamind.varano4373]

Long time subscriber, first time commenter. Not in aviation, just enjoy your knowledge. This is the first video in a while that showcases that aviation is "safe" not "easy". You mentioned before how a passenger COULD contact air traffic control and put in a bunch of settings to land the plane (in theory). But having the knowledge to make these decisions demands respect. Basically, my favorite videos are the ones that explain a pilots decision that exemplifies their experience. Great channel.

[@mlj9931]

Glider pilot here. The other issue with the higher speed is that turns will have a larger radius for the same angle of bank. So to fly the same turn you would need more bank or you will fly a larger radius and possibly end up high on the approach. This extra bank would make the procedure more difficult and perhaps exceed the limits of what you'd want to do in a 747. It would be interesting to calculate the theoretical difference in bank angle.

[@RobFeldkamp]

How would you calculate that?

[@gryff8400]

​@@RobFeldkampthere's probably a performance table and set of graphs in the handbook, depicting speed, turn radius and bank angle. Probably right next to the graphs telling you "if you're going this fast, you can't bank and turn that hard. Because either stall or things fall off..😮"

[@A321LR]

Most Airlines have a max speed for RF Leg (turn portion) of an RNAV RNP approach. I fly out of JFK and our max speed for the RF Leg (the turn) is 160 kts. These guys were well over that at 190 kts. So yes the turn would have been quite tight at that speed. With the wind direction being straight down Runway 13R at 19kts I would have considered vectors for a visual approach if the weather was clear but Cathy procedures may not allow for Visual Approaches so 04L was the best option if so. Or possibly the ILS 13L with a sidestep to 13R on a 5 mile final. Either way the PIC and crew did a great job not falling into a trap doing something they did not want to do.

[@Sam590ss]

24:39, when my son was 3, we went to a fire safety expo. They let him run a 2 inch line on a small propane rosebud nozzle. They wouldn't let 31 year old dad play. I feel your pain 😢

[@maryabbott5005]

😁🤣😂🤣🫡💕

[@justinmarko80]

😆 I could just imagine Kelsey stomping his feet, "but I w.anna use the cannon! "

[@phizc]

Not sure if the period in w.anna was intentional or a typo, but it definitely suggests the whiny way to say that word. 😂

[@philippal8666]

🍼🍼🍼🍭

[@dspatchin]

Thanks for this breakdown. So often we only see break downs when it all goes wrong. Great to see ATC and the pilots work together to solve a problem with it all working out, despite some big challenges.

[@Tiisiphone]

Very interesting. Thanks for making these complex issues understandable to the layman.

[@johnwinter9722]

Great video and great outcome. The teamwork, as you pointed out, was terrific. Impressed by the calm and calculated manner of the pilots. It would be easy to show concern or fear, but these folks were terrific. Thanks.

[@justinshaffer3419]

I like that the pilot stuck with his 1st choice. My life experience is that your first choice, from experience and gut instinct, is the best choice.

[@SpicyTexan64]

Or is it? 🤔 🤣

[@banzaiib]

Reserving yourself to a solution can be very dangerous. Many GA pilots have died or lost their aircraft because of this...

[@Jimorian]

Even then, he still worked out the calculations for that 3rd option before rejecting it. Rejecting the longer runway was still more based on feel, but given the complications Kelsey explained, also a very logical choice under the circumstances.

[@327Erich]

*DISCLAIMER* This advice often does NOT apply to spouses. Proceed with caution.

[@topethermohenes7658]

Depends, flying is very dynamic, 1st decisions can and will change depending on new circumstances

[@jamesallen8838]

As an old GA pilot I enjoy your videos AND I learn something here and there. Thanks 😊

[@GhostWatcher2024]

This ATC was the epitome of good CRM outside the cockpit.

[@josephkanowitz6875]

ב''ה, no argument, seems like everyone did a lovely job. Phraseology is fascinating, that sure was chatty to figure out the options, and wonder what throwing all that talk through a "Simple English" filter would produce. No shade on the other pilot and yet even "okay" instead of "no problem" is less colloquial, less radio time and less double negative for someone who might be ESL to parse. With the kind of traffic JFK sees, feel like they might want to lead on that, though at present it surely takes a lot of experience to know what's universally quickest and least ambiguous. No offense but in the minutes before 18:00 you can hear how a slight amount of excess verbiage increases the workload. I'm at a 'if I had more time I would have made this letter shorter' time in my life myself, seems like ATC training should probably focus on this.

[@josephkanowitz6875]

ב''ה, also maybe there are shitty business reasons, but the chattier pilot could have taken a lot of *decision making* load off the controller by declaring the emergency once confirmed they had to commit to the specific runway. I'm armchair-ing it but this seems like a lesson perpetually learned and forgotten, is there something in the definition of emergency that needs to be changed to account for these scenarios so 'aircraft cannot be configured for standard commanded approaches' is automatically a technical emergency, or is it all on the pilots that, fatigued from troubleshooting, can be reticent to say the magic words?

[@teamkolumbix1718]

Fantastic! I did my PPL in May, this kind videos are extremely important. Thank you.

[@2dthoughts]

Wow!! Just noticed the 4 stripes Missed when that happened Congratulations Captain 🧑‍✈️

[@2dthoughts]

Lol 8+ months ago and watched almost every video since and never noticed or remember you mentioning

[@janemiettinen5176]

Dont worry, youre not the only one who missed it. Kelsey didnt even mention it, but the aviators in our community noticed immediately :)

[@jillbaldwin3005]

2nd week of December, 2023. Approximately.

[@PatrickHoodDaniel]

So many jam packed learning points in this video. All of his videos have this, but I feel this one is pretty packed.

[@DRV-mt5dd]

I'm happy to see such professional teamwork on this one.

[@SarahRenz59]

I really appreciate your detailed explanation of this particular incident. Between your YT channel and the ORD livestreams at the Chicago Flights channel, I'm learning a lot about aviation and airport operations! I would like to add that, in addition to the fire equipment being at the runway to meet the plane, they'll follow the plane to the gate just to be sure.

[@Private-s2d]

My man got the 4 strips. Sweet. Congratulations.

[@catherinegee2741]

Where have you been? He has had them for months and months. Lol. I'm proud of him too.

[@dianericciardistewart2224]

Excellent episode! Your explanation of what was going on between Cathay and ATC was spectacular! Thanks Kelsey!! Thoroughly enjoyed!!

[@jason6919]

Very insightful video. Great communication among the crew.

[@denvan3143]

I appreciate your clear explanation of this highly nuanced situation.

[@Steve.Cutler]

I flew to England back in 1990. When we landed at Gatwick I noticed the plane was taking longer than usual to slow down. Right before we stopped, I noticed fire trucks following us. When we stopped the pilot came on told us the brakes were on fire, but it was under control. I don't know what issue the plane had but it sounds a lot like this story.

[@Sableagle]

British Airways in the '80s had flap trouble flying to Geneva with us on board. Geneva's not the trickiest airport in the world, but it is between a mountain and a lake. Typical Speedbird captain told us all: "We're having slight trouble with the flaps and may have to make a rather fast landing" before pretty much doing a fly-by of the airport perimeter with gear extended and turning that into a landing. It was actually a smooth landing, no trouble, but he still got a cheer from the passengers when we stopped on dry land.

[@Steinersthresholdguardian]

Kelsey still a kid that wants to play with the water cannons of a fire truck. That's a real man, actually.

[@peterallen4605]

Once, when I was a kid, I did get to shoot the water cannon (not foam) because I volunteered to don the gear and get doused with the cannon (operated by a fireman). First I got doused, then when I said how cool it was to be in the suit and get sprayed down (and I didn't flinch), they offered to let me shoot the cannon at the guy who sprayed me. This was during a visit with my scout troop to PAX River NAS back in the late 80s/early 90s. Yes, it was cool. But then again, I'll never pilot a 747, so I've got to take the wins where I can find them.

[@maryabbott5005]

That was Cool story, Thanks for Sharing...How FUN..Yeah!!!💯🤩😁💕

[@daveewen334]

Hi Captain Kelsey Excellent explanation of hot brake/ high speed landing ! I always enjoy your content , I was ARFF for 25 years , never once put water on a hot brake , have been standing near hot ( in correct position ) main gear when fuse plugs have exploded that’s pretty intense , in fact just being under an aircraft with engines going ( even on idle) is pretty scary , hot noisy and in the dark watching the glow from the brakes is an adrenaline pumping moment , but as you said many times with team work and good comms with the flight deck it always worked out .

[@n6mz]

And thanks to energy being proportional to the square of the velocity, braking from 190kt dumps more than twice the amount of energy into the brakes as braking from 130kt.

[@wilfreddv]

Not to mention they were heavy as well.

[@chrisschack9716]

Yay for thrust reversers, braking without melting tires!

[@jochen_schueller]

But I was surprised that the difference in length of these two runways had been so relevant for the brake temperature, since the total amount of energy to be absorbed would had been the same, wouldn't it? Only the contribution to deceleration by the thrust reversers would have been a bit less on the shorter runway

[@lorij1072]

You always explain everything so well, it gives me a deeper appreciation for aviation. TY :)

[@stephenrogers4537]

Good Sunday morning to you, Captain Kelsey from Chicago. I hope this day finds you and yours well, BROTHER ! KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP ✈️🫡

[@nicholasrogers1249]

I wish I had some friends like you, very level headed and logical. I'd love to be able to pick your brain on all kinds of things that aren't aviation related.

[@monopoly5496]

Hey Kelsey, I just wanted to let you know that you are the best. Thanks for the amazing content over the years. When is the next pilot vlog coming? I am very much looking forward to that

[@Trevor_Austin]

That was a great video. After a couple of years you learn that your problems are also everyone else’s problem. It’s important thing is to keep it that way. I’ve had a few flap problems over the years and only once had to insist that I had to have a particular runway. I was going to have “my” runway and like these guys, you don’t have to be nasty. The biggest argument I’ve heard is at Heathrow. They really, really, really don’t want emergencies and whilst they’ve got rid of their “please divert speech” it’s still clear that they don’t want you if you are broken. With regard to the fire trucks - Airport RFF do so little they love to play “fire engines” whenever they can.

[@BerzerkaDurk]

14:25 - "You have time to... ...call the company and see if they have any great ideas." Am I detecting a note of sarcasm here? Hahahaha

[@Oops-IMeantToDoThat]

I'd say no - co may mandate a certain procedure per policy in certain situations. Of course, that means co is supposed to also take responsibility. I'm not an airline pilot or crew member (just a nerd), so just my opinion.

[@BishopStars]

It's not sarcasm, this is real.

[@marykayhiggins8434]

So we'll and clearly explained! I've flown KC/EC-135s for over 2K hours as well as having been a USAF air traffic control officer, but I wouldn't have easily identified the nuance required for complete understanding of the situation. Well done!

[@barbaradavis393]

I love it when you explain this stuff to this detail.

[@nyathi3026]

Just because it ended well doesn't mean there aren't lessons to learn. I don't fly, but I still really enjoy these videos and appreciate all that's involved. Keep them coming! Thanks.

[@KansaSCaymanS]

“The only time you don’t want extra fuel is when you are on fire.” 🤣

[@Gebenki]

Aircraft Mechanic here - Technically, it's not the tires that melt when the brakes overheat, it's the fuse plugs. It's basically a bolt that's hollow and filled with an alloy that melts at a certain temperature. This is so that the tires (relatively) harmlessly deflate, instead of exploding.

[@aggonzalezdc]

He specifically mentions the fuse plugs melting and not bursting the tires.

[@SailingPacificNW]

He literally says that. Exactly word for word. Hopefully as you do your tasks every day you pay attention to all the details that the driver has given you.

[@alexp.6406]

Thank you for explaining in detail how it works, the PILOT in the video only mentions tire plugs, so it’s good to hear how it actually works from the Mechanic!

[@ShaunHensley]

@@aggonzalezdcMechanically minded folks appreciate the extra detail.

[@livestock9722]

@@aggonzalezdc Not with mechanical clarity, and also did not confidently explain where/why the heat is generated. Heat is generated by not only the brake friction, but also rubber to asphalt friction and rapid flexing and torsional stress of the tires.

[@Terminator2310]

Excellent teamwork by both crew and ATC

[@stevebrannan4966]

Great content again Kelsey. You really do make me smile. I don't know how you got to be a pilot, you are so grounded 😂 not pretentious or full of yourself 👍 much respect.

[@yoyojoe9240]

Great job on Tower and Pilot interaction and communications.

[@sliabhgorm]

Hello 74 Gear. I am an Irish aviation enthusiast since my very young days, & I must admit that you sharing your knowledge as a pilot that flies these big aircrafts with the great videos, & explaining what pilots do, & what they can be confronted with in emergency situations, is so well explained. Thank you so much. Your videos are so informative. I could honestly say that I am one of your big fans. I am not sure, but I think you have flown the Cargolux B747 at some stage, but I could be mixing you up for Captain Joe. Be safe flying those wonderful machines!👍✈Cheers from Canada!

[@KX36]

Best analaogy I can think of for explaining flaps is like gears in a car. flaps out is like going into a lower gear so you can go slower and start/stop

[@maryabbott5005]

Well said!!🎯💯😁🫡💕

[@NeverlandSystemAngel]

The communication between the pilot(s) and control is exceptionally good. Such good teamwork for the safety of everyone involved and in the airspace.

[@david.kirmayer]

Thanks, Cap! absolutely marvelous video, as always.

[@FlyingMikeProject]

Hi Kelsey, your videos have inspired me to start my flight training in Ireland! You have opened my eyes to the world of aviation and I am loving it every minute of it…Another 74gear video has made my day. Thank you sir!

[@hrdley911]

In the immortal words of Admiral Akbar, "It's a trap"!

[@scose]

The 747 flaps are the most impressive looking flaps ever!

[@DrDeuteron]

25:00 other ppls toys are always better. When I went to Dryden, I was drooling over their ER2 and static SR71 and X-1 (backup). They’re like, meh, and they visit me are are drooling over a mars rover. We’re like, meh…that’s not even flight qualed.

[@joshuamiller3963]

Kelsey the comment about shooting the water on the fire truck was priceless thanks for the video I learned alot

[@johnporter6263]

Just listening to this exchange makes me feel like I owe the ATC guys a beer. Well done!

[@manuelmontes7327]

Another great job by the crew of Cathay, JFK approach, and Kelsey with another super accurate and professional video analysis. With the winds as they were, I would have recommended and selected RNav to 13R. The crew did a great job. However, I reviewed the Nav approach plate to 13 R, and even with a high final speed, guessing 175 Vref and 180 Vapproach speed, they had almost 6 miles from NUCRI at 2000 to touchdown. Assuming all checklists were complete. crossing NUCRI at 2000 at a Vapproach of 180 kts IAS, It seems that , that it would not have been any problem to fly the RNAV to 13R SAFELY without any issues even with a slightly higher rate of decent on final due to the higher speeds. THE BIG PLUS, A LONG LONG PIECE OF CONCRETE 13000 ft vs 8000 on 4L, to land thus ameliorating the possibility of hot brakes and deflating the tires. I never flew the 747 but I am guessing the No Flap speed of my old 777 would be similar to the Great 747. In any case, the boys from Cathay did a great job and it all turned super for all. I just think with the winds as they were the RNav to 13R would have been my choice assuming there would not be an issue of slowing to final Vapproach with that much room from NUCRI inbound. Airspeed is Life!! Great job Kelsey!! ps. Since you are a 74 driver what would be the final NO FLAP Vref and Vapproach for an 800F?

[@JoeNasr123]

I fell into a trap the other day. Breakfast waitress said “would you like some fresh squeezed juice?” Boom, $8 on my tab for a tiny glass of mediocre juice.

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

If you had been starving, I bet it would have been delicious ❤

[@LewisTheFly888]

LOL.

[@philippal8666]

We’ll have to reroute a bunch of apple juices if you really don’t need that.

[@salvadorstanziola7878]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pseud420]

Great work from all sides - everyone stayed calm and communicated their side clearly so that a resolution was reached nice and safely. Most of a pilot's training is for these abnormal situations, we trust you guys!

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

I knew it was a freighter, because it says "CARGO" on the plane 😝

[@andycharles6641]

Seems like an excellent example of professionals on both sides working together to make sure that a minor problem doesn’t become a major problem. No egos, no tempers just clear concise communication to work through options and come to the optimum solution.

[@Socrates21stCentury]

Pretty cool everyone was calm and just doing their jobs ... GZ Team !!!

[@myfourbits6901]

Howdy, Kelsey! I just wanted to say THANK YOU! I am a wannabe pilot. Always been. So, I am always in search of info. anyhow, Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your site. I very much love the way you present the facts. you have no side and you make me understand that there is always many ways to look at these issues. That is one thing that our world is not getting! We must look at all "sides" whether it's pilots and Controllers or One Religion vs Another. Thank you for your fantastic take on these issues!! Keep it up!

[@Orcinus1967]

Tower, we just got new rims, and we dont want to knarf them up.

[@brnmcc01]

Or how about, Tower we understand you don't want to reroute a lot of other departures and arrivals, but we don't want to leave a big bunch of debris on 22 for you to clean up as well xD. Chunks of tires, pieces of brake material can wipe out another plane, like the very last sad Concorde flight. Chunk of metal on the runway blew a tire on takeoff and punched a hole in their fuel tank. Bad day.

[@mbvoelker8448]

Neat to see you analyzing one where you know the plane so well that you could add even more details than usual about the situation the pilots were facing and give so much depth of understanding to their thought processes.

[@nonmihiseddeo4181]

" . . . floating down the runway, 'cause it's easy to get high." - True Confessions on 74 Gear 😂

[@basshead2003]

🎶I was gonna land the plane until I got high, until I got high. I was gonna land the plane until I got high, until I got high.🎶 😂

[@williambrewer6346]

Excellent video Kelsey! As Pilots sometimes we are under high-stress situations and are able to handle them correctly!😊 Happy Landings!😊

[@ZombieKiller1965]

I'm just here for the slats vs flaps arguments 😅

[@jaysmith1408]

They would be slats, except on the 747, which has Krueger Flaps

[@ZombieKiller1965]

@jaysmith1408 yea I know but I figured most wouldn't 😀

[@eds.173]

@@ZombieKiller1965thanks to you both

[@pilotnamealreadytaken6035]

Came for this comment! Thank yaaal❤

[@MSchwartzNWV]

Hey 74Gear, I always enjoy your videos but don't think I've ever commented. I really appreciate the way you explain aviation in a way that is clear for both pilots and non-pilots here. Great stuff and keep up the great work!

[@OfficialSamuelC]

Love longer form content! Always seeing comments mimicking the same. Nowadays so many more people want longer form content and it actually results in more views. Of course many don’t want like it but they’re the minority now. The data by the big KZbinrs and professionals in this have confirmed many times that the length of content desired has changed. Where 10-15 min was the perfect amount, it’s more like 25-45 being the ideal amount. It’s not simple though. You have to keep it flowing and keep the viewers interested for longer and it’s why the better channels and editors come out on top. Your content is always great and interesting throughout and I imagine this longer video will do better than some of the shorter ones!

[@WetNets75]

Having failed in my endeavors in the aviation industry; I live vicariously through 74gear. Thank you!!