Awful Archaeology Ep. 6.5: The Baghdad Battery... Again?

[@meiguess6765]

Dr. Hafford correcting Milo: *brings up facts, logic, original papers* Milo correcting him: You didn’t laugh at my joke, Dr. Hafford. I thought it was very funny.

[@oscodains]

Tbf, a lot of the video was Dr. Hafford not understanding jokes. I think it’s a generational issue in communication.

[@Zed_eS]

@@oscodains agreed with the second statement (haven't seen video yet), but sadly true.

[@Burner-B]

@@oscodains tbh, nothing is more effected by a sort of cultural Flynn effect than humor. The expressive structure of jokes have a generation of about ten years, and even within that generation things just become unfunny quickly. I think what happened here was not just him not bothering to keep up, cuz honestly, why would he, he has better things to do. It's also that he looks for intent behind the joke, how it lends to misinterpretation and in the case of Indy Milo touching on a specific sore spot

[@thespankmyfrank]

@@oscodains Also probably him just being very much in his own field and thinking about it scientifically rather than jokingly.

[@kurnugiakurn3567]

@@oscodains just adds to the charm ^^

[@SpaceMarshmallowPirate]

As a librarian: If you're struggling with primary sources now that you've left college, use your local library! We libraries spend a fair amount of money to give patrons access to many databases, websites, etc. that colleges give students access to. Although our sources are definitely lacking in comparison, if you look into what digital resources your local library offers, there's a good change you already have access to more than you think.

[@iloveplasticbottles]

Some universities offer their databases for free, like NAU. Some even let you walk in and use their resources (like books and computers) for free, like NAU.

[@thnecromaniac]

I super agree, I remember my dad taking me to Truman Library, one of my local libraries, to do his reserch on his and his ex wife's (who was indeed his ex wife at the time, and is also my mom) geneology. though sadly I was too young to apreceate the library in such a way I can now, I should go back to check it out some day...

[@emmestein]

@@thnecromaniac What was the reason for his research?

[@thnecromaniac]

@@emmestein he just has a personal instrest in geneology.

[@danielhooper502]

That and scihub

[@Floccinaucinihilipilificator]

"-- to curse your target, engrave spells of preference on a sheet of lead, roll loosely and leave it to sink at the bottom of their personal source of water." I don't believe in curses but I got a hunch that this one used to work pretty well.

[@bakedbeings]

The wording in the spell may not have matched the results, but the melody could be discerned.

[@TylerTMG]

hmmmmm i should try this

[@EnigmaticHandbag666]

I will test this theory and get back to you

[@axew3127]

I wonder what *lead* you to that conclusion

[@pomelo9518]

au contraire lead doesn't actually react very well with water :(

[@ExzisUniverse]

31:10 When he says he’s gonna start putting in more errors so he gets more corrections- i love that, perfect example of Murphys Law: “The best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer.”

[@evanrigel954]

devestated that no-one took your bait sooner! that's cunningham's law. (murphy's law is what can go wrong will go wrong, for future readers)

[@samit9789]

Holy cow, i just realized that this comment is a bait, TO PROVE THIS COMMENT Hats off my friend, hats off

[@-elijahriggs-]

I appreciate that post. I knew the concept and I've explained that to people before and always got very great response because I haven't mentioned it to someone yet that seems to have understood the concept already but I did not know it was called Cunningham's law.

[@magosmallen2973]

I read this and I was like, "wait, that's not Murphy's law, don't know who's law that is, but it isn't Murphy's" Then Mr. Evanrigel954 comes along and introduces the name Cunningham's law. Now as I'm writing this I'm questioning if they are going for a double bait or not... quick fact check expedition accomplished, they were not, in fact, going for a double bait.

[@gzer0x]

@@magosmallen2973no, that’s Cole’s Law

[@mr.hartwood7121]

"This is my roommate's cat, but he will be mine." This is it. This is how you get a cat.

[@when-do-we-get-a-block-button]

parents let a cat inside, i ended up with a cat. yes, you only end up with a cat. you dont go and get one, they get you

[@Klaaism]

Cats choose you, human servant.

[@lynntownsend100]

During the vast majority of my adult life since I was 20 or so, I've almost *always* had a cat, and I've almost *never* had more than a few hours - or days at most- warning! (And the times that I had to wait more than a few days, it was because a friend's cat had a litter! 🥰😹)

[@jonathanj8303]

We went to the shelter to chose a cat.. an 8 week old kitten climbing 5feet up the cage mesh to look me in the eyes. Gave me good hard look. Went home with that one. Yeah, we got picked.

[@kyetes.866]

@@lynntownsend100 haha my second cat was from a foster litter of 5 kittens that I had 30 minutes’ notice for. (I thought they were assigning me *some* of the litter, I was wrong LOL) And then later found out the rescue had mistakenly given me kittens with ringworm (I’m immunocompromised) because a “holistic” vet had cleared them without actually culturing them.

[@nitro_dynamite18]

Alternative title: Two Chad Archeologists Work to Completely Demolish one of the Dumbest Conspiracy Theories. This is one of the most respectful pieces of discourse I've ever seen both on the internet and in real life.

[@drewharrison6433]

The way he takes the criticism is admirable. I love when someone shows me where I'm wrong. It makes it so that I can stop being wrong.

[@baadlyrics8705]

Lets be honest, thats one of the most harmless conspiracy theories

[@ToliG123]

@@baadlyrics8705 seriously haha. Calling it one of the dumbest is absurd too imo. Flat earth anyone? Just to name one... of likely thousands.

[@sweettorello]

We're getting both an Avatar 2 and a Baghdad battery 2 in 1 year. Strange times, also good, but still double sequels

[@miniminuteman773]

James Cameron eat your heart out

[@sweettorello]

@@miniminuteman773 it would be really sick if you could do a short comparing the treatment of the native people of pandora with how other cultures on earth had sacred artifacts/sites destroyed. So much lost history and culture.

[@CoreKatalyst]

I thought it was just back in theaters, is it really getting a sequel?

[@patchyworx]

@@CoreKatalyst yep, it's getting a whole new movie!

[@sweettorello]

@@CoreKatalyst yeah the sequel is releasing sometime in December I think

[@cambiata]

Here's something additional Dr. Hafford taught me in this video: that "ritual" can and often is much more casual than what we think about when we hear the word "ritual." Like I'm sitting here thinking ritual involves multiple priests with robes and incense and a temple full of 100 followers, then he uses "cheers" to show me that it can be so much more simple than that! And now that I have that understanding, I wonder if the Bagdad battery was to the people that used it what mouthwash with alcohol is to us. Stay with me now. A while back I switched the mouthwash we were using for the same brand except alcohol free. My husband pointed out he likes the one with alcohol because the burning makes it "feel like it's working." I agreed that I liked it to burn (to feel that it's working) but had an idea I had read that alcohol is bad for oral hygiene, so I looked it up and confirmed it, and we stuck with the non-alcohol mouthwash. But that feeling, that "it's burning, so it's working", that's a kind of ritual, isn't it? It's the same reason Americans rely on hydrogen peroxide when that's a terrible thing to put on injuries, since it causes damage to living cells. So maybe the Bagdad battery was the "it's burning, so it's working" of that community. You put your spell in the jar and you get a little spark, so now you know the spell was done properly. And once the battery gets too old and stops giving a spark, you buy or craft a new one so you're always sure your spells went in properly. After all, you need that burn to know it's working!

[@Liam_Phoenix]

That's honestly really fucking intelligent, like I'm seeing it in a whole new way now! Thats really cool! Thank you for this very cool perspective

[@geoffreyentwistle8176]

Interesting... I have no idea how one would go about proving or disproving a theory like this, but at face value it makes a lot of sense... Kind of the same reason strong ethers and aromatics (both pleasant and foul smelling) have been used in medicine so much - if it makes your nose burn, you're more likely to believe that it's a powerful medicine of some kind.

[@dysmissme7343]

😤hydrogen peroxide is not terrible!! It works really well! You just have to be careful with how you use it

[@aidan4472]

Okay so if I picking up what you’re putting down… It’s not a battery, it’s a spark plug

[@projekt3749]

Well well well, fancy seeing you here

[@Nono-hk3is]

I'm so glad Dr. Hafford brought up the ground breaking ceremony when talking about ritual. I think we tend to think of ancient rituals as weird, esoteric religious incantations from horror movies, when really they are just things from daily life! Which actually are weird, esoteric, and religious, but no more horrific than candles on a birthday cake, or saying "bless you" when someone sneezes .

[@lisasetiawan3552]

thats very true!

[@shannap.lawnerd8107]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 When anyone says “ritual” lately, people seem to jump straight to dark robes & candles 🕯 with insidious purposes… Ritual is an important part of the human nature! It enables us to connect with our deepest feelings; hopes, fears, desires, grief, anger, etc… Merriam-Webster has this to say on “ritual”: “1 : the established form for a ceremony specifically : the order of words prescribed for a religious ceremony. 2a : ritual observance specifically : a system of rites. b : a ceremonial act or action. c : an act or series of acts regularly repeated in a set precise manner.” You already mentioned birthdays and “Bless you”s after sneezes… I would include pre-game huddles, carrying that lucky 🍀 charm your dad gave you, tossing spilled salt 🧂 over your shoulder, and so much more!! Even those dark robes, that might look imposing to those who are uninformed, have a meaning & purpose for the wearers. 😉 If anyone has doubts about the power of ritual in these modern times, I’d invite you to search for “winning lottery numbers” in the KZbin search bar. 😅🤷🏻‍♀️🍀 If it’s important and special to you, that shouldn’t bother anyone else… Stay safe out there, be blessed!! 🤓🤘🏽💋🔮⚖️

[@michealdrake3421]

It's kind of weird to realize that, while cultures and religions and philosophies and societies come and go, human nature ultimately stays the same, and in every time and culture, the peoples' behavior was just that same nature that we have, the same basic wants, needs, fears, and impulses, through the lens of the time and place they were in. That's why the Voynich manuscript is probably just an art project or the handbook to a tabletop game and why the the annotations in the margins of medieval manuscripts are full of in jokes and complaints about writing and other monks.

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

Yeah or that technically so is a toast during a meal - that one kinda threw me.

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

@@michealdrake3421 exactly why its so baffling that esp now that we are at each others' throats when we should be working together. To hate a group so much that is essentially the same as ones self with a different coat of paint, its why I liked Bourdain so much, he tended to break those walls and show that we really aint that different

[@rachelkartin7019]

My favorite "it must be ritual" is when a bunch of male archeologists found sharpened obsidian stuck in the roofs (like thatch) and said it might have been to keep them closer to the sun so they get some of the sun's power. But then some women quickly realized it was to keep the kitchen knives away from the kids.

[@michaelj.beglinjr.2804]

That is awesome.

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

Men: “it must be a ritual!” Women: “no, it’s to keep the sharp things away from you guys…”

[@Jovangrollino-xh4fr]

I mean, they theorized that, they didn't realize it.

[@sayno8685]

Is there an article/videos explain further detail about the whole situation?

[@Giveme1goodreason]

Trust a woman to recognise kitchen wear. I am of course joking. But it is often surprising how the most logical answer is the answer.

[@robinlindvik7101]

Dr. Brad Hafford "i want you to continue doing these, and i love watching them, and i look forward to seeing the next video" Milo: aight bet, im-a dip for a year and a half, peace!

[@stefansneden1957]

-This is just kind of like the perfect comment.

[@shadow_flux2304]

LMFAO

[@alexanderg521]

@Miniminuteman I think you will appreciate this one

[@Americanbadashh]

Proper research takes time. I'm sure Dr.Hafford understands this

[@Bowie_E]

I am so in love with the amount of respect, maturity, and growth exhibited in this video. The professor's video has repeatedly come up in my feed and I never Wat he'd it bc I assumed what I would hear. That was my bad. I will go back and watch the professor's video. I love this mature, knowledgeable back-and-forth. I just freaking love this sh*t. Thank you so much for this knowledge 🙏 Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu 🙏

[@miniminuteman773]

Discourse is at the core of all the sciences! Without it we are just yelling into the void. I highly recommend checking out Dr. Haffords channel as he has PLENTY of insightful content that I’m sure you will take a lot away from!

[@greggi47]

@@miniminuteman773 There are some who post on KZbin and other platforms who would ignore the kind of insights Dr. Hafford offers, find them threatening, and even strike out in some way You have my respect for your own reaction..

[@themeddite]

@@miniminuteman773 I love genuine discussion, watching it and being apart of it. As much as I like watching two people arguing However that gets old. Thanks for uploading this video.

[@AcornFox]

vipassana practitioner?

[@toxicnukem]

ima go watch it too

[@Fairyfink]

This was pure joy: two people, both passionate about archaeology, but with very different but equally engaging personalities, communicating through the medium of the reaction video. And a cat.

[@5superhombre]

The cat truly stole the show

[@teucer915]

I would love to see them do a collaboration.

[@JustShawn11]

God,i love this interaction. The professor reminds me of my good professor at college who corrected me of my final year project while also acknowledging the work I've done and how easy it is to get fundamental things wrong if you look at the wrong places. Like Milo said,if you don't have access to a rich library or a paid subscription on sites that deal with this kind of information, you're left with the less credible ones, especially when you're dealing with an instance and artifact that's largely in the dark for the recent publications

[@legion162]

Love how he's not debunking or proving you wrong, rather he's filling in gaps in your knowledge, and expanding the knowledge that you already have 👍

[@kylewilliams8114]

The intention behind the response makes all the difference. He was definitely corrected on some things, but not attacked for it. Allowed for teaching moments we all got enlightened from!

[@pokerusfreak8194]

honestly, so cool. A lot of it boiled down to a more broad understanding of the culture at the time and the area of the world, as well as better access to documents and research. Very impressive showing of his expertise in the field, and truly brought to light just how easy it is for secondary sources to get little things wrong, and those little things adding up over time to make the "common knowledge" about things be so far gone from the original sources.

[@nidhogg8446]

Science

[@hankboog462]

That's what actually important science discourse is. Debunking idiots is fun and a potential teaching tool but stuff like that is what actually matters

[@hoppytoad79]

@@kylewilliams8114 Dr. Hafford's a great teacher. Teaching majors should observe his lectures.

[@infiniteshay8660]

And thus Milo took the first step towards his goal of getting the entire field of Archeology drunk.

[@roofied_galahad1675]

Bold of you to assume they're not already drunk

[@infiniteshay8660]

@roofied_galahad1675 Well they can't all be drunk, people are still doing work lol

[@WickedChild97]

@@infiniteshay8660you ever heard the term “functioning alcoholic”?

[@infiniteshay8660]

@@WickedChild97 I do not drink so no XD

[@tedschuler6620]

As if that was a feat

[@binkbonkbones3402]

This is wholesome. THE INTERNET IS FINALLY LIVING UP TO ITS POTENTIAL OF BEING A PLACE PEOPLE CAN EASILY AND RESPECTFULLY SHARE INFORMATION

[@louisrobitaille5810]

It happens all the time on the internet. However, this is KZbin, only a very tiny fraction of the internet.

[@lucalinadreemur9448]

Perhaps he means finally it's happening in the mainstream section of the internet? I can't really say his intent but that does spring to mind.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Scholagladitoria is a great channel for this. But mostly sword related.

[@babygorilla4233]

This video is actually kinda a modern snapshot of what the early internet was. I'm talking before the first spam message, it was just professors being cordial.

[@SnailHatan]

Finally? You must never use the internet.

[@phodon129]

A lot of what I'm taking from this is that the paywalling of scientific papers is a massive wall on the way of anyone wanting to learn about a subject matter without a lot of money to spend on either the papers themselves, or being part of a university.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Long live SciHub ^^

[@northernnaysayer]

I know academics that struggle to pay for all the books written in thier relevant field as theyre usually in the hundreds of dollars and they're not always covered in the budgets they get for thier research. Everything is being commercialised to such a horrendous degree that even the experts struggle to keep up without limitless funding.

[@barbaralaibuta7710]

@Nad Senoj very rarely the researchers are paid by publishers for he research papers... but if you email the researcher they usually email you the paper for free because they are just happy that the research is used.

[@cursedGalataea]

@Nad Senoj who told you that researchers get paid by journal publishers for their articles? researchers don't even get paid to peer review, they're expected to do that for the publishers for free, too.

[@northernnaysayer]

@Nad Senoj that money isn't used by them, it's used by the publisher to enrich thier shareholders. They're not cooperatives, they don't redistribute wealth to the people doing the work. In fact, I'm pretty certain academics/institutions have to pay for thier own individual subscriptions, but I'd have to confirm. Researchers get thier money from either private enterprise, grants or intergenerational wealth, once the research is done, most in the public sphere happily give it out for free. I've heard of academics putting thier papers, books and audiobooks onto torrent websites 6 months after it's been published, just so the info is out there and not stuck behind a pay wall that they will never make any money from. Funding in academia is fucked up. You won't find much online but if you go and talk to academics they will happily tell you many anecdotal stories of how funding has fucked them over.

[@kaylinhendrich4673]

A consistent theme of my watching Milo’s videos has been that the actual story behind a lot of archaeological conspiracy theories is waaaaay more interesting that the theories

[@thegamingbadger1190]

I absolutely love this side of the scientific and historic studies. "You have proof that I was wrong? Amazing tell me everything!" The mature and enthusiastic desire to learn, not burdened by ego. Thank you so much for being a positive role model.

[@albuseisenhorn3385]

tis why making sure people who have passion for something is so important rather than say your SAT score

[@DragongodZenos]

i now want a mini-series with your Lou where you detail the various cultures who worshiped cats in some manner and the rituals they performed.

[@allylabar21]

yes yes yes

[@allylabar21]

We just got a tiny baby kitten that looks just like Lou.

[@zionantoine9629]

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss

[@thomasdavey1513]

It would be great if experts on all the topics Milo's has covered get together and make am archeology battle.

[@quinnzykir]

Yaaaas please

[@chadoistad]

I am a partner at an architecture firm, responsible for training young architects. One of the first things I tell new hires is that if they ever think I`m wrong, to tell me, because then I can correct my knowledge, or correct their knowledge, and then we can both be right. I love this back and forth.

[@jeffreymoulend9099]

"and I hope he continues" Milo then went on to not continue this series for another almost 1.5 years

[@LordOfElysium]

😭

[@malubecker8508]

I mean, life happens

[@gaflene]

I am at the stage of wishing I would get Indiana Jones comparisons because any time I tell someone I'm an archaeologist they start telling me how much their 3 year old loves dinosaurs.

[@Izzmonster]

You're an archaeologist? My son loves drawing buildings! I think he'll be working for you when he gets older ah-humhumhum

[@adorabell4253]

To be fair, 3 year olds really do love dinosaurs and they’re a lot easier to explain than kurgan burial sites.

[@gaflene]

@@adorabell4253 I like dinosaurs too but I don't do anything with them professionally

[@jon85753]

I mean, I've done both. My university had no Physical anthropology program, so I just double majored in biology and history and took a lot of classes from their lone paleontologist.

[@SleepingLionsProductions]

I think we just kind of witnessed a once in a lifetime exchange here. You'd be hard-pressed to find another archaeologist who also does KZbin and podcasts who is also an expert in the specific field in which you are covering. It's honestly amazing to see how many of the subjects he expanded on and the corrections he made to your video were so insightful. Thank you Dr. Hafford.

[@Done478]

There are many historians on KZbin that go back and forth with students and young YT creators. I don't see it much in journalism, though. That's too bad, because if any field needs a major overhaul based on research and new Ideas, journalism definitely does. I'm not sure, but it might be an entire field of professional imposter syndrome. Brian Stelter was one of the few who was absolutely certain that he was exactly at the top and deserved it... and we see he finally got his DELUDED card punched.

[@liammeharry]

Its all bowls and scrolls to me

[@virtueofabsolution7641]

Nah. What’s happening here is a much more experienced and knowledgeable expert who does public access knowledge but isn’t that entertaining responding to a much less experienced, much younger but also much more bombastic, controversial, and entertaining speaker who is also, vaguely, in his field. The purpose is pretty obvious- it’s the same anyone has when responding to “bigger” channels but the unique property of the exchange is the “smaller” doctorate expert correcting the “bigger” entertainer. No hate to milo I really enjoy his work but you can kind of sense Dr hafford’s annoyance here in the subtle ways that only a truly learned, specialized scientific doctor can put forward. Basically he’s saying *hey. Look I get it. Entertaining is your main goal. Just have more of the respect for the craft that I know you know how to do and, y know, chill out a bit. You kind of are doing the exact same thing you rail against when you don’t have all the sources lined up*

[@jdw221221]

@@virtueofabsolution7641 This happened with another youtuber that i watch named TheFatElectrician. He makes funny videos about US military history, equipment, soldiers and tactics. He made a video about the U.S.S Texas, and a few other battleships, and an expert on those specific ships made a reaction video to his, to clarify, and expand on some events mentioned in the original video. It's really great to see

[@Done478]

@@virtueofabsolution7641 🤔 I think you are looking for something that isn't there. I've known many profs and researchers who are just excited to find someone else who is interested in the material they have devoted their lives to discovering and sharing. Maybe in more competitive fields like business there are few honest interactions between those who have "arrived" and those still navigating the lower slopes of the hill. But, in my experience, that kind of artifice is pretty rare. There's a video on the channel Knowing better called Neoslavery (an absolute Must Watch) and I watched a history prof who seemed much like this guy- excited by the next generation's interest and hoping to encourage them to dig into the literature and fall in love with the references section, or, education porn.😆

[@matt-oo6fu]

i want this to turn into an infinite back and forth chain where you two keep reviewing each other's reviews

[@mihailmilev9909]

Lol I would like to see at least one to a few more iterations

[@kblskables2877]

It won't work cuz we'll actually learn things and the mighty algorithm will not allow that.

[@VonSpriggan]

For a long time I really bought Into the Graham Hancock thing. Went to his talks, met the guy (very nice person and endless energy for his fans). I feel quite stupid now, but that's good. Thanks Milo for the correction and with this knowledge I've been able to change my opinion and look at history with a new perspective and fascination ❤

[@hannahbeanies8855]

Never, ever feel stupid for your past self when you are learning and growing. You weren’t stupid! In fact, you were obviously very bright and curious (you still are). Not everyone would willingly go to talks about history, even if the material itself wasn’t accurate and/or was misinterpreted. That would not make you stupid at all! 😊

[@gruesometoucan2332]

And this is why I like your channel. You're EXCITED to be wrong, because you get to learn something. It's a hard mindset to have, but one that is absolutely essential imo

[@kyetes.866]

That mindset was the most valuable skill I took away from higher education, and I’m still not as good as Milo is here.

[@nonpondo_]

​@@kyetes.866being wrong sucks but I think it's what separates who's truly passionate about the topic, the excitement to learn the truth vs the shame or embarrassment of being wrong

[@zorimanar2247]

It's an incredibly difficult mindset to foster, and one of the main things schools need to get better at encouraging. Being ignorant is shamed too much in situations where it doesn't matter, and it leads to people taking fewer intellectual risks and gaining an unfortunate ego over being right. Speaking from personal experience.

[@erukaseven]

38 minutes of Milo hardcore fanboying the whole time pretty much is just fantastic.

[@erukaseven]

Inbread_Cat is my hero of the credits.

[@irishwristwatch2487]

I was living for every moment of it haha

[@shotgunsam23]

Dude was being sarcastic for most of it lol

[@hlibushok]

@@shotgunsam23 What?

[@Ghoulishblade]

Don't let imposter syndrome get to you. When I got hired at my current job I was sure I was always on the cusp of being fired until my friend that told me to apply told me my boss was always telling her how great I am doing. Now 4 years later my boss is having the position above me reclassified so I can move into it despite not having the right degree. You're doing an amazing job.

[@heehoopeanut420]

congrats to that friend!

[@GeoGamerArtistVlogger]

YOOOO THATS NICE

[@shrimple.]

And that's why you shouldn't be an asshole to yourself, only the insane people that are on this Glories channel

[@beyondobscure]

imposter

[@shrimple.]

@@beyondobscure sus

[@wyattsickels499]

Watching this video from about a year after you posted it I can see why you would be so excited. You received a very high quality peer review from someone who is of high esteem in his field who gave you very wonderful information. Corrected a couple of your mistakes. And complemented you in a couple ways. I am in awe for you. I can only imagine how excited you must have felt

[@hoo7797]

Knowing the most likely interpretation of the Baghdad Jars, it's absolutely hilarious how the "it's a battery" interpretation is really just a perfect storm of circumstances: >A jug, in which someone may have put lemon juice to drink >The owner of the jug writes a curse on a lead sheet >Stores the curse in a copper cylinder >Seals the copper cylinder inside the empty, uncleaned jug with bitumen >Nails the jug and buries it >The top of the jug is broken off so it looks like just a jar with a nail sticking out of a bitumen seal Thousands of years later Conspiracy Theorists: All the elements line up: this ancient jar is a battery! Surely used to power up a lightbulb ways away from where it was found!

[@schuylergeery-zink1923]

Other comments about witches bottles also theorize it could be urine which has been used to rituals similar to this one. Not as appetizing as lemon juice… without the bottle and modern tools to analyze the substance we won’t know for sure.

[@plainText384]

2 contacts made of different metals, separated by an insulator, some sort of fluid/electrolyte in between, all of it encased in a container. That's an electrochemical cell (battery). But does that mean it was ever used as a battery? No. It doesn't even mean the people who built it knew that there was an electric potential there waiting for a way to be discharged. Especially if the electrodes weren't accessible because of the top half of the jar, which hadn't yet been broken off, there would be almost no way to tell. Even if the contacts were accessible, the voltage would be too low to detect it by touching the contacts with your hand. Even your tongue, which is much more sensitive (and can be used to "taste" a 9V battery's charge), probably wouldn't pick anything up at the 1.1V Milo mentioned in part 1. Maybe you could short circuit the battery with a very thin thread of copper (or a conductor with a lower melting point), and the thread would melt or burn through like the filament of a smashed light bulb, but this would only work if the internal resistance of the battery is low enough. That's probably not the case, but Milo didn't talk about experimental archeologists measuring this, and I'm not going to do any research of my own. But realistically, the internal resistance is basically going to be related to the surface area of the electrodes, so I'd assume it's pretty terrible for the Baghdad battery. Tldr.: It's very possible for two things to be true. 1) It is a battery 2) the people building it neither knew nor cared about the electrical properties of their creation.

[@cherryjuice9946]

@@plainText384 That's a good point about not being able to feel a small voltage. I can "taste" 9V's if I put it on my tongue, but can't feel it on my skin. Half-cell chemical reactions from the metals used would produce a lame voltage. Without evidence of wires, there's no reason to suspect they stacked these in series (to get a higher voltage). Unlikely they were batteries or used as batteries.

[@johns1625]

Did you not watch this video? There's no way for the electrolyte to contact both metals. It's a sealed copper cylinder set into a ceramic pot, and the copper cylinder has papyrus in it. The iron nail and bitumen seal is just to close the open end of the copper cylinder. For all we know the lemon juice or whatever was inside of the pot was only there to keep the pot from tipping over.

[@battysparton65]

This has to be the most civilized reaction to a reaction. You admitted your mistakes, got a lot of incites and some clarity of research. Plus the way your eyes lit up about him trying your drink was just wholesome. This was so mature... and I wish more people was this mature when this happens to them instead of say sending a Copyright claim on their videos or a C&D to get them taken down.

[@GuyNamedSean]

I feel like taking criticism and correction like this is a skill you gotta learn. Milo got here by spending years of professors correcting him in university.

[@battysparton65]

@@GuyNamedSean You bring up a good point and I whole hearty agree. Even I will admit I use to be bad about taking criticism. Very territorial about my work. How I am open to criticisms as I try to use it for improvement. At least when they are worded right and lack rude langue like "your art is crap. You're bad and you should feel bad." I use to hate any criticism. I just wish other people was like Milo. I know that's a long stretch considering a lot of factors.

[@shannap.lawnerd8107]

@@battysparton65 I would suppose that anyone offering “criticism” along the lines you have above is more likely trying to insult & abuse you rather than offer any true critique on your work!! First- art is subjective, and what one person thinks is an ugly mess is true genius to others (Pollack, anyone?😅)… If you receive any other thinly veiled insults, I would pretend not to understand their statement & dig into it. Example: Meanie: That art is crap. You: What in particular about the work offends your senses? The medium? The subject? Or something specific in my technique…? Meanie: Uhhh 🤔 😉🤓🤷🏻‍♀️ Lol Don’t take the negativity onto yourself!! You can definitely take _constructive_ criticism seriously, if they have a valid reason for the opinion. Or, as it seems in your example, you can ignore the mean spirited blurbs slung at you by shallow peers. A lot of the time, it comes from a place of jealousy… Not many people have the courage to follow their dreams, and artists are constantly improving their technique & trying new ideas- that’s admirable, and kudos to you for doing your thing. 💪🏽👏🏽 Stay safe out there, be blessed!! 🤓🤘🏽💋🔮⚖️

[@battysparton65]

@@shannap.lawnerd8107 take it negative? Oh not at all. You just made me smile. And yeah I do tend to ignore the jerks. Thank you for your kind words though I really do appreciate it.

[@shannap.lawnerd8107]

@@battysparton65 Keep being awesome. 😉🤘🏽

[@wowitscoldout1119]

Milo being so ready for criticism is not only super sweet and fairly entertaining, but man it makes getting criticism so much easier for me

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

Milo gets corrected: "Oh wow! That's so cool to learn! I'm really happy that not only are other archaeologists watching my stuff, but they're invested enough to correct anything I present that's wrong. Thank you for your help." Filip gets corrected: "They're trying to silence me!"

[@thomasdavey1513]

As a university student I feel like these videos represent the modern day of academia. The perception was that academia is scary and secular. Kind if like being in a cult. But the truth is that academic discourse is at its height because of Milo's and the doctor's videos. Love the content, my eyes were opened in the last video, and now they've been opened even wider. Edit: I was the 420th like.

[@justusbraz]

That’s one of the funny numbers!

[@richardm5448]

The fact that he loves his roommate's cat but notices and will vocalize its a little bastard is 100% my daily life

[@deemcgann1695]

this is just cat owners. We love our little pricks so much, even if they are spawns of hell itself sometimes

[@annafdd]

@@deemcgann1695to be honest not all of them are. My own little Spawn of Darkness only got the name because she looks like Tevildo the Prince of Cats, but she is a marshmallow.

[@deemcgann1695]

@@annafddthat’s fair. I have a little baby that couldn’t hurt a fly… literally… I watched her fail to hunt a fly with broken wings

[@taddybear4244]

This format is so sick. I miss academic discussions like this from when I was at uni. I would love to see more of these style videos. Side note, the anxiety you would have had going into this, I fucking get it, man. My brother in christ, the hardest thing about my dissertation was facing the responses my supervisor would give.

[@BigNBrother]

This speaks volumes. Alot of people I've seen get insta-triggered as soon as someone says they were wrong about the slightest detail. However, these two showed mutual respect. Dr. Hafford had the experience to teach us something new. Milo was willing to listen to Dr. Hafford so he too can learn. Also loved that Dr. Hafford affirmed Milo's good points while also correcting when he needed to. Teaching at it's finest, in my opinion.

[@elinaw6175]

The 'batteries' being buried in the corners of a house foundation really gives me the vibe of protective spell. I'm Swedish and in old Swedish folklore when building a church you would bury a sheep, dog, horse or other farm animal alive under the church and that animal would become a Grym. Another version is that you killed the animal first and that it was to be specifically buried under the north corner stone of the church. The church grym was a ghoul that wandered the graveyard at night and scared away thiefs. Great video as always, looking forward to a possible collab .

[@Klaaism]

You wonder where people come up with this stuff.

[@Whispitt]

​@@Klaaism well when things die they become ghosts and ghosts are spooky so I guess it makes sense if ghosts are real

[@Klaaism]

@@Whispitt Audio-visual hallucinations from sub-harmonic vibrations has been suggested.

[@aribantala]

​@@Klaaism Well yes, But that's why the human mind is a fascinating stuff on it's own. How it came to rationalize their surroundings. By far, Humans are the only species of animals that have this concept of *spirituality* with such an extensive rigor Other animals have this concept, We see Elephant mourning, and even covering up their dead pack member with leaves or dirt, and Ravens congregating on scene where one of their group died and began squawking in quite a unison. Animals that have a semblance of pack/social behaviour do this essentially. But never to the extent of what Humans do with theirs. What humans do as a social animal and doing/rationalizing this, I guess to put it bluntly, very non-utilitarian acts, is pretty intense There's no apparent reason for humans to make a jar and write curses inside it to "ward off evil spirits", no reason for burying the remains of an animal under a building "to appease the grym" and prevents bad things to happen to them... But in the same way there's practically no reason for those ravens to literally gather in the middle of somewhere, usually even open grounds, and just squawk loudly on one of their dead mate... Possibly attracting predators or other dangers to them.. The most utilitarian move is just to leave the premises. But as a social animal, their rationale is probably to seek the danger and alert other members of their group. It's not the best move, but it's the only good one they know... Same as humans thinking that it's the only good one they know... So they bury animal remains with XYZ criteria, or giving X amount of valuable material to storage/offerings because it worked before TL;DR: Humans are Social animals and many social animals do perform these "non-utilitarian" acts of *spirituality*. But one thing for certain, Humans is by far the only species that indulge on this so much

[@barthoving2053]

@@Klaaism Because only if you held it up to more scrutiny it actually makes no sense. And you often do not have the resources for that scrutiny. All babies and young children view the world as a place where magic is possible. Supernatural or aliens is an nice simple explanation so long as you do not want to much proof.

[@sadmermaid]

I watched his original video, I love that archaeologists are basically history detectives, and 'calling each other out' isn't personal fighting, but fighting for the common good of knowledge. Dr Hafford is a real one, its very cute watching you fangirl. Beyond stoked for you dude, congrats!

[@Wyster]

Milo your reaction to Dr. Hafford’s criticism was a joy to witness. It’s incredible to see someone so completely open to correction and so willing to alter their stance given new information. I’ve never seen such a lack of toxic ego before, and it makes me respect the hell out of you.

[@johnathanmonsen6567]

So not only were the Baghdad Batteries not actual batteries, they were something about fifty times COOLER. Offerings meant to invoke curses on your enemies? Why isn't THAT the popular interpretation?

[@myrithart]

The last week Dr. Hafford's video was recommended to me A LOT but I somehow haven't watched it, probably because I was scared of KZbin drama. I'm so relieved that this is so respectful, nice and just adding onto your video! I'm very happy I stumbled upon this community~ Also omg Lou is so adorable

[@Crlarl]

I watched the Dr's video before this and it was great. Give it a watch!

[@KianaWolf]

I had the same initial reaction, mostly because I'm used to following YEC / flat earth debunkers, who get a lot of hate and lie filled responses to their videos. The *second* time Hafford's video popped up in my recommendations, I clicked it. It was a very pleasant surprise.

[@lordofuzkulak8308]

@@KianaWolf same here. When I did click on Dr Hafford’s vid, it was with some tentativeness because I was worried it might be drama/pot stirring, and was relieved to find it was respectful discourse.

[@darbybaird7275]

Watching you get nervous and giddy about someone 'grading' your video was absolutely adorable! Like how much you want to be right, but also your awe at his knowledge!

[@user-ni9op2cp9m]

Thanks for watching 🔝🔝 And commenting Send a direct message right away You have just won a gift🎁🎁🎁

[@artanddesign8561]

You nailed it, there’s always a problem with logical discussion when somebody just wants to be right, that’s all they care about is being right… I don’t care what anyone else says I just wanna be right…

[@helmaschine1885]

23:27 I relate to this reaction so goddamn much. That intense fear of being caught to be wrong by a professor.

[@chelsuh614]

Omg this part had me BUST out laughing. The second hand anxiety 🤣😹🤣

[@SynchronizorVideos]

As a person in a scientific field, I wouldn’t use the term “fear “. While it can be mildly embarrassing to lean hard on a point only to be proven wrong later by a peer, I always welcome being corrected on things. That’ll help me learn and benefit from others’ experience, and experience is an incredibly valuable thing.

[@cerberaodollam]

@@SynchronizorVideos yeah but that's the thing. I *want* to be corrected as an academic....but as a human, I also know that being corrected means mom will beat me to a pulp for being wrong. it's a very conflicted and exhilarating moment.

[@scorch4299]

yeah screw this long-haired noob. im gonna go watch the boomer do it!

[@ryansargent661]

This video is a prime example of how working together and building people up through constructive dialogue, gets way more accomplished and right than attacking those who criticize you. (A common thing with science KZbinrs) Congratulations to you both for being role models on how to act in the digital age.

[@OneToxicPixel]

Milo: I am happy and stoked because I learned a lot of cool stuff today No joke the pure joy on your face every time you learned something from that nice doctor was genuinely fun to watch. You didn't get angry because "How dare he correct ME?", instead you just went "Hell yeah, new knowledge, I'm gonna soak this all up like a sponge" and that is why we all love you.

[@robertnett9793]

And that's how it should be :D I think those two videos back to back are brilliant and shows the different levels of information one could hope to get. It's the same everyhwere - you have your layman-knowledge from publicly available books, documentaries and such - then you have your beginners professional knowledge you get in schools and specialised courses - and then you have layers upon layers of ever increasing informations on a subject matter, which expands on or replaces other information.

[@sangwaraumo]

oh yeah!

[@kurnugiakurn3567]

the main problem is that reaction content is not really based on good faith of furthering understanding. Luckily we had a very good exchange. I would love to see the two collab in a more direct way.

[@robertnett9793]

@@kurnugiakurn3567 Yeah. There's unfortunately more than enough reaction-stuff ending up in an emberassing slap-fight. So we should be thankful for those who work out with this level of respect. Overall - we should strive for and demand this level of respect in debates in all situations.

[@fanfywriter8727]

When a lay person catches me being wrong; extreme embarrassment and anger. When an expert catches my mistake and then tries to enlarge my knowledge; oooh gooooood yes! Glad to see I am not the only one.

[@Dhdjksjsnsnsnnsnsna]

If a layperson catching your mistake infuriates you,,,,,,,,, you need help.

[@krankarvolund7771]

Why do you feel angry and embarassed when someone catch you being wrong? ^^' It happens to me regulary, and generally, it means that either I didn't remembered properly what I was talking about, or they know more than me, either way, I'm wiser than if I've stayed in my errors ^^ I'll trust an expert more than a lay-person of course, but in the end of the day, some experts are wrong, and a lay-person with the right evidence can be right. Trust the evidence, not the persons that brought them ^^

[@olivialahde5485]

@@krankarvolund7771 I think it's about getting angry at yourself for missing an error, not at the person correcting you.

[@krankarvolund7771]

@@olivialahde5485 But then, you would also be angry when an expert corrects you ^^'

[@maxlutz3674]

@@krankarvolund7771 That may depend on the nature of the error. When it´s so obvious that a lay person can catch it, it´s really embarassing. If it´s more subtle, it´s different.

[@DeathEatsCurry]

The intergenerational gap highlights another wonderful part of this reaction: Dr. Hafford is entirely respectful. Even within scientific circles, it's all too easy for older, more experienced people to condescend their younger colleagues, who they might perceive as little more than upstart students. Instead, Dr. Hafford uses his wealth of experience and knowledge to plug the gaps and go a little more in-depth, whilst treating Milo as a peer throughout. It's like the KZbin equivalent of a peer review. Good stuff.

[@jeffengel2607]

It also helps knowledge get shared and ignorance scrubbed out when no one needs to get touchy or defensive when they're informed they're wrong or have gaps in their knowledge to fill. Good stuff indeed!

[@creatrixZBD]

I really enjoyed his video, on many levels. Dr H was wonderfully human, much to respect. The two of them might turn out to be mutually compatible, enriching both their lives.

[@virtueofabsolution7641]

Yeah because a professional doctor of science trained in doctoral level scientific writing isn’t going to say “hey kid chill the fuck out” directly. I think a lot of people not familiar with high level writing are really underestimating what a massive intellectual “dad’s backhand” and the “yessir” response this was

[@toddhowarddd]

Honestly life would be easier for everyone if established experts in a field would have a welcoming attitude towards the next generation of experts across the board. Getting into anything is difficult when no one wants to act as if you belong and at least give you a chance. I can only imagine how difficult it is to get into a profession such as this. Old guys like this are very valuable.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

​@@virtueofabsolution7641 You would be surprised what a professional doctor of science would do. In my field I have seen professors use students as punching bags because they can't tear down their advisor in the way they would like to. It can get brutal. This man is a consummate professional and I wish all professors were like him.

[@VampireBabysitter]

Bro I just got accepted as an anthropology student a couple days ago and now you drop another video. This feels like a congratulations gift and I love it. Synchronicity.

[@emo6577]

Congratulations on getting accepted! Hope that your program goes well 🎉

[@littlesnowflakepunk855]

everytime someone just says "synchronicity" it makes me think of that fuckin stupid shit in Baki where all the nitroglycerine in the entire world crystalized at the same time

[@VampireBabysitter]

@@emo6577 thank you!

[@franciscoguinledebarros4429]

May your journey and learning be filled with such quality discourse like this video

[@oblivious-owl6914]

Working on my master's thesis this semester, and was feeling a bit anxious about it and putting off what I'd been meaning to do today. Watching this discussion and celebration of research has helped me get hyped back up for my own research, and make my curiosity outweigh my stress, so I'm definitely going to go back into my own thesis work when I've finished watching this :]

[@somedudewithaface3336]

Milo, archaeology has long needed public communicators who understand archaeology but aren't necessarily professional archaeologists. Professionals can sometimes get a little pedantic when communicating with the public so the discipline needs people like you who can bridge the gap. Keep up the good work!

[@iharpo9292]

Yeah like ofc he has a degree and does this professionally but hes very casual about it

[@abiel4222]

That happens unfortunately with a lot of academic areas

[@ThorDude]

​@@abiel4222There's two types of scientists: the psychos who are more than happy to share their work, whether or not someone can understand it. Then there's the busy one: The ones who don't want to split their own work time, and then talk to people who don't even care about their work, then get misinterpreted. We need more psychos who can also speak in simple words about science. If you reach out, psychos will be more than happy to explain science to you.

[@bruhtha3296]

Like the archeology avatar

[@CrowLady0_0]

i am a senior in high school, and thus i am getting bombarded with emails from universities. it's making me super overwhelmed and for a long time i hated the idea of going to college, but this video made me start to really look forward to it. i love learning and i love figuring out things that i can improve on, and i think i lost sight of how that is literally the point of higher education in the stress of it. thank you for snapping me out of that with this video not even related to my situation!!

[@dasfowler]

As a college grad who had the kind of experience that makes people like you worry about college, I'll say this: if you're getting into a career you're passionate about, like archeology, find a place where the FACULTY engages with you. Like facilities are cool and having a chance to work with neat equipment can be helpful, but being able to take on the mentorship role with some one who loves what they do and can elevate you to a peer is worth every exorbitant dime of tuition.

[@Iluvpie6]

This comment was from a year ago, and I’d be really curious to hear if you choose to go to a college and how that went for you in your first year! I’m in academia with hopes to become a professor, so hearing how people relate to the academic experience is always interesting to me.

[@CrowLady0_0]

@@Iluvpie6 ngl I fell back into being overwhelmed and feeling awful about everything lol. I love learning, but I just don't know what I want to do with my life. probably gonna die before I decide

[@Iluvpie6]

@@CrowLady0_0 i completely get that. Whatever you end up choosing, though, just remember it isn’t a life sentence. If it turns out you pick something you love and want to dedicate your life to forever, that’s great, but it’s also unrealistic. You can and most likely will change what you’re doing several times throughout your life, and it’s great that you can do that. Wherever you end up, whether it’s back in academia or somewhere else, I wish you luck in finding a good and supportive mentor. There are a lot of those mentor types in academia (a lot of people who are shitty, too, but more I think that are good and thoughtful and supportive) but they’re also in every field.

[@robertarcher4891]

if all education was as interesting as your videos i wouldn't miss a class again in my life. I love seeing people pursue a career in a field they actually enjoy. its depressing at school or highschool when you can tell even the teacher isn't interested in a topic and it makes it a chore for eveyone. people like you fill me with hope that maybe educators will start enjoying what they teach and teaching with enthusiasm.

[@S0L_cAnCEL]

I don't think most teachers find their jobs to be a chore, I think they get frustrated with an education system that promotes testing over actual teaching. Not to mention, parents who have little to no faith in the teachers and prejudiced ideas about what is actually being or should be taught. I've seen teachers light up when they see a student actually understand the topic being taught. I've seen a teacher engage a class with so much enthusiasm that even the quiet person was actually interacting and speaking up.

[@kisakisakura6663]

THIS is the attitude I love to see in a scientist. Please don't ever forget the joy of learning new information and accepting critic/corrections so gracefully. Keep it up. I'm just sad, I found you so late. If you ever need a linguist to take a lock at something, hit me up!

[@tomhowell8398]

The batteries could easily still be behind the couch! I worked at Dover Museum as a volunteer, helping to work through damaged records, identify objects, accession things into the collections, etc. If anything happens to the records, nobody will ever know for sure what that museum has again. You could have one in your hand and still only be ~90% sure it's the right object, but more likely you don't even know where to start looking for it. Even a small, local museum has so much stuff of all kinds in so many locations that keeping track of it all is an unending battle at the best of times. We never completely recovered from the main building being bombed in world war 2, so we were still contending with the effects of the historical events depicted in our galleries.

[@svennoren9047]

Very true, and Germany got thoroughly bombed during WW2, with enormous loss of not only lives. For example the original brontosaurus skeleton got completely destroyed.

[@CoincidenceTheorist]

⛺️Man this video is a shilly goose circle jurkhole.

[@CoincidenceTheorist]

11:55. This feels very fake. Contrived

[@stupidminotaur9735]

Bob Ross was hated/looked down on by most university artist professor's until 80-90% percent of their classes/students were heavily influenced by him to be painters/artists. talking about indian jones alot of young people were influenced by him.

[@Robynhoodlum]

Yup. Can’t stand Indiana Jones or Bob Ross, but if they inspire you, that’s great!

[@mars_ffs]

@@Robynhoodlum oh no what did Bob Ross do😶

[@nidhogg8446]

My archaeology professor once said that to most, Indiana Jones would be the first inspiration that led them to archaeology as a career, then they would spend the next few years learning why he is the Worst Archaeologist

[@Deinobi]

@@Robynhoodlum what's wrong with Bob Ross?

[@MtnNerd]

@@Robynhoodlum Can't we just save the hate for Thomas Kincaid?

[@KickerDrew]

I graduated from my CS/AI Masters program last year, and it is so incredible and refreshing to see an older expert in science treat a younger peer *as* a peer, and not as a child. And its inspiring to see how well you took his critiques and not digging your heels in and making excuses, as well as also standing up for yourself! Mentioning the generational gap is an excellent point, and I'm wondering if he's watching this video and taking away just as much as you did, only he's learning more about the next generation of archaeologists and how the work!

[@Treethinking666]

I have zero research credintials, nor have I been shown the proper directions on how to do researching as a totally effective person for finding the best answers possible. I love how, when faced with incomplete evidence and/or not having the totality of more factual information (which sucks that much of these resources are behind walls of some sort, can be discouraging for some). I really think there should be some levels of "hoops" to jump through, to get proper access to these resources. Would allow and open up the scientific community's ability to the public. Libraries are a great resource as well. I seriously love the appreciation of getting new and more information about his video with more and better information. I love Milo, he's quickly becoming one of my favorite KZbin personalities!!!!

[@hoppytoad79]

Congratulations on attracting Dr. Hafford's attention! His crit was incredibly constructive, thoughtful, insightful, and informative, and it was so cool listening to him explain why it's believed the jars served a ritual purpose. Stay hungry, stay humble, and stay fabulous, Milo.

[@AncientArchitects]

Miniminuteman reacts to a professor who reacts to Miniminuteman 😂 Great video. 👏 (Still watching)

[@KaitoLune]

There is just something so calming about two people discussing things they're passionate about (this case, jobs) with such honest mutual respect. This video just radiates pure joy!

[@kris242]

I really love seeing you as a young and budding archeologist, being able to show your own new expertise, while at the same time, appreciating the mistakes that come from this and being so willing to learn from it. I feel the same way in my own fields of Culinary Arts, Wines and Music. I can try to feel like an “expert” all I want in these, but I know there’s still so much more to learn and so many mistakes I’m still going to make. That’s always the most important part of it. I’ve had peers in culinary school who thought they were absolute MASTERS of the art and always assume that they themselves were always right. Then they went into the big, bad real-world only to get their asses completely get handed to them. I even saw one of these guys actually break down crying in the middle of service in a Michelin Star restaurant. That dude changed a lot positively after that day. You’re a great example of how, we can all be very knowledgeable when we get the right education, but we should never think of that as even nearly enough. Your pure curiosity to keep improving yourself is definitely how everyone should treat their own expertise. It’s gonna be amazing to see yourself 10, 20, 30 years from now. You’ve got all the documentation of your youth and it’ll be awesome to see how much you’ve progressed ❤️

[@alys.7491]

I'm Pagan, and them being spell jars makes SO much sense. Nails and slips of paper with written intent are still used in spell jars today. And Milos joke is sort of right, we could be theorizing some grand plan for these things when it just as easily could have been a guy who lost a bet and wanted the dude to stub his pinky toe real hard.

[@julietfischer5056]

Or keeping the building upright for longer than five minutes.

[@jonathanswavely7259]

Me watching the reaction video: "Damn, Milo is gonna be so upset to hear he was wrong" Milo: "Hell yeah! I love being fact checked!"

[@Giganfan2k1]

In the scientific community there is no bigger honor that getting constructive fact checks.

[@jonathanswavely7259]

@@Giganfan2k1 Fair point.

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@Giganfan2k1 scientist: *publishes work* Someone: Hey! You got this wrong! Scientist, pen and notebook ready with a euphoric grin splitting their face: oh? Do tell!

[@Giganfan2k1]

@@lordfelidae4505 Getting your paper shouted out in other peer reviewed research is the apex of good job.

[@dasfowler]

Every scientist I know has a "Fact Check Me Harder, Daddy!" vibe that's essential to who they are. It's what makes them so special; to operate in a field where intense scrutiny of minute details while actually getting EXCITED about the criticism isn't something the average nerd can do.

[@nanardeurlambda]

I can't believe how precious it is to see Miniminuteman get stoked because the professionnal archeologist who comented his work knew the same book and tried out his cocktail.

[@jontimmerman3386]

When I was getting my archaeology degree, I was absolutely taught by my professors that post-processualist archaeologists will always say that something is ceremonial when they don't know what it is. I quoted this so much that my non-archaeologist roommate had a running joke about finding things they couldn't identify and calling them ceremonial.

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

I was a similar friend to a different archeologist. It's wonderful that this was apparently a common occurrence.

[@ku8721]

I love that Milo was more annoyed by the kitty than the professor!!! Brad: This is why Milo was wrong. Milo: WOW that is so insightful and well researched, thank you! Also Milo: Here is a comfy bed, petting and attention when I'm busy Louie: F*ck off go clean the artifacts I left you in the litter-box!!!

[@gggthsb]

It all comes down to how the criticism is conveyed and how willing someone is to learn something new. Dr Hafford wasn't talking down to Milo, he just gave him additional information and talked to him as an equal. And Milo wants to learn and doesn't want to spread false information so he is thankful for being corrected and taught something he didn't know before. The cat on the other hand, in true cat fashion, just wants chaos 😂

[@beeble2003]

Louie: F*ck off go clean the artifacts I left you in the litter-box!!! Milo: F*off I'm not getting involved in your rituals!

[@Fuchswinter]

I love how respectful and professional the conversation here is. It's so important to be able to correct yourself. As a fellow future academic, though in a different field, I feel the struggle around sources. I feel like a major issue here seems to be that not only are primary sources locked behind paywalls, sometimes they end up being in other languages and were either never translated, or filled with errors in the translations. (People make mistakes when quoting from same-language sources, a translation is just that times one hundred. Especially seeing how just changing the connotation of one word can change the entire sentence.) It just makes me aware of how important it is to be able to check out original sources. Learn languages, it's worth it.

[@Lucy-zv4xc]

Here's a tip for holding cats- hold them on their tummy, letting them tuck their front paws under you as if they are loafing, while supporting their back legs. It mimics how they naturally lie down, and most animals I've handled find it very comfortable :) Holding them like a baby disorients them. What a sweet kitten Louie is!

[@RocRolDis]

Most cats hate being cradled. My previous cat, Chloe did. I’ve been fortunate that two out of the past 3 cats I’ve had love to be cradled

[@danafox9659]

Hi Milo, When trying to research things behind paywalls, if possible, reach out to the author or the institute who originally published. A lot of times, they'll send them to you via email without a problem. Most researchers dont receive compensation from the paywall owners and are interested in getting info out there. I've gotten so many papers this way. I've also reached out to museums and gotten the records for specific artefacts - archaeological reports, research reports, conservation reports, exhibition reports, etc. This has been so useful to me in my previous career as a museologist and researcher. Love what you do! ❤

[@Touchpadse]

This is why I love science "Ooh someone made a video about what I've said, let's see what they said. Ooh I was wrong, how interesting I'm learning stuff. Thanks for this!". So great to see people not get angry when corrected! Awesome video as always, keep it up!

[@DancingAngelOfSpira]

It's interesting how Professor Hafford talks about the placement of the jars in the home's foundations and their possible use in protective spells. It reminds me of "witch bottles".

[@MrGunslinger911]

Which bottles were witch bottles?

[@Klaaism]

@@MrGunslinger911 The ones on first

[@miciarokiri5182]

A lot of more modern witch practices come from cultures around the world like this. It's exactly what I thought of too. Though hopefully pee was not an ingredient in these LOL

[@DancingAngelOfSpira]

@@miciarokiri5182 I wasn't going to mention the pee, but I'm glad someone did 😂

[@CrimsonGrowlithe]

@@KlaaismTHIRD BASE!

[@RisingSunfish]

This video was so lovely. Your earnest respect and easy humility, Dr. Hafford’s gentle corrections and good humor… it’s a wonderful model of respectful discourse, as others have said, but it’s also just such a heartwarming example of the genuine Good that can come of the Internet. Your joy when he made the drink was just palpable. I’m still smiling.

[@owngamesgamer4030]

cat : *is being cute, enjoying themselves* -> *falls of the bed* -> *proceeds to eat a candle* this is a quintessential cat

[@Jojo.R.Chipelago]

I watched Dr. Hafford's video a couple weeks ago and couldn't wait for Milo's follow up. This was exactly the response I was imagining. Very entertaining and respectful.

[@kellyezebra]

Same same!

[@unnamellie]

Same!

[@brooksfaucette296]

Wow imagine if we discussed current events and issues with this level of respect and thoroughness

[@cardnal44]

The world would be such a better place

[@stuntmaniatv]

It's the actual dream

[@jarodathehunter9124]

Thank you for bringing insightful content in the field of archeology. Presenting new and… well, previously unknown topics to me at least has me excited every time I see you bring a new video to the table. I think the last time I got this excited over science was watching Cosmos. And yea I know it’s been a minute since its release but the world is too focused on the now rather then the past and future. Thank you for your passionate work and I’ll gladly be watching more of your content. 👏👏👏

[@miniminuteman773]

Wow I never thought Id be even on the same keystroke as Cosmos! That is high praise. Thank you very much for your kind words and I look forward to keeping you hooked.

[@lauramatilda3279]

I have to say your ability to take well formulated and respectful criticism well is admirable. I really liked the way that you respectfully responded to the response video and it made me smile that you might have made a friend in the archaeologist you were speaking to as well as having found a new role model in the world of archaeology. These are the kind of interactions that we need to see more of in the world.

[@HunchbackJack]

Honestly, I'm *so glad* you made this video. Dr Hafford's reaction video came up in my feed a couple of days ago, and I watched it with great interest. Seeing you respond to it - as uncomfortable as that may have been for you - with a willingness to accept a critique made in good faith by a peer, is what the scientific community on KZbin should be all about. In an online world where opinion is king, and feuds and smackdowns get more views than consensus - or even respectful disagreement - it's nice to see how open discussion can be incredibly constructive when everyone's just trying to understand the truth. Great work, Milo, seriously. Respect.

[@atashgallagher5139]

I love that you're still using the same laptop from when you were 14. And the cat, I LOVE him.

[@edoardoprevelato6577]

I still use the laptop i got in 2013. If you take care of your stuff, it lasts.

[@brettvv7475]

@@edoardoprevelato6577 It lasts, sure, but it also can't keep up unfortunately.

[@mushroomc0re]

@@edoardoprevelato6577 it doesn't always last. they stopped updating the drivers on my laptop I got in 2015 until it devolved into utterly unusable

[@58209]

@@edoardoprevelato6577 having just recently updated a 14-year-old laptop, i agree up to a point. i saved a lot of money taking care of that computer, but it's only after updating to a computer with an SDD and proper graphics card do i realize just how much that old laptop was holding me back doing even simple stuff, like browsing the internet. and then there are my computers from the early 2000s still running XP, that can't even access most websites now because of security certificate issues.

[@StalwartTirith]

The laptop is for ceremonial purposes. And so is the cat. :P

[@YuriAbietti]

I may have something to add to this. There is a well known magical practice called "witch bottle" or "black bottle" that is used in a very similar way and it dates back at least to the 17th century in UK and the US. Basically, you take a bottle and put inside it a "taglock" from yourself (hair, nali clippings), rusty nails and broken glass, other sharp objects and usually strips of paper with sigils, prayers or invocations. Sometimes the bottle contains urine too. Then you bury the bottle in the foundation of the house or inside the walls (or under the doorstep). This is meant to banish evil and to attract good fortune to the inhabitants of the house. Since in the video Dr. Brad Hafford says that nails have been found on the excavation site and that the bottles were put in the angles and you said in the previous video that some kind of acid residue was found in one of the bottles (maybe urine?) it sounds to me a ritual that is very similar to the modern version of the "witch bottle"... Maybe the two practices could even be related in some way. The witch bottle is practiced even today as a way of protecting a household. Hope this could be of interest! And congratulations for your great videos :)

[@TheRealMeko]

Absolutely love this connection ❤

[@baildclark16]

I really hope this series hasn’t ended because I just discovered it and I love it.

[@alicethemad1613]

I don’t even understand why every time you got excited about being complimented or talked about I also flapped my hands and said OOOOOOOO really loud. I’m so happy to have watched this channel grow from the start and I’m absolutely hyped if this turns into a long term collaborative conversation.

[@matthewsteigauf470]

I hope that overtime this channel has the same level of impact on edu-tainment that Sam Onella did. Man set the standard for facts and narrative broken up by relevant cutaway gags that enforce the newly introduced fact. You bring a conversation / community aspect that really reflects the debate face of academia that I don't think most people get. By reacting to peers, debunking bs articles, and translating the academic back and forth you really show off the "scholars are still debating this" line that most places gloss over. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@seekerstheshy3842]

as much as i do miss sam's content, this has very nicely filled that void in my heart

[@Trevor21230]

This is super wholesome and I'm so here for it. Also the stuff about the demon-trapping bowls and the jars being used as implements for spellcasting was absolutely fascinating!

[@final_catalyst]

Especially when you realize the jars seem to actually be repurposed after being damaged for this function, potentially. (no longer haveing the neck/handle etc) it makes more sense

[@KS-PNW]

Feel like there's room for a cool DND class based off that

[@phantomstarsx9343]

This is what I love about discussing sciences. Sometimes you get things wrong, and this kind of civil discourse is soooo refreshing. Thank you for showing this and talking about it!

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

From the subscriber count in the pictures you used to now, Artifactually Speaking has increased by around 3k subscribers. I for one have a new channel to binge watch when my ADHD is playing up, so thank you Milo for reacting to Dr Brad Hafford's vidro reacting to you. Archaeology is something that has fascinated me for decades, I have fond memories of watching Time Team at my grandparents' house and being utterly entranced by the level of understanding that can be devloped from digging a hole and finding some artifacts as simple as shards of broken pottery.

[@moxiebombshell]

Have you seen the new seasons of Time Team that they crowdsourced???

[@PascalOPM]

I love that you said what you said about Indiana Jones. We’ve lived in a world where he has always existed and while it’s very obviously inaccurate as an adventure film, I think it’s a useful point of reference as well

[@kyetes.866]

He’s also an important character for Milo, a science & archaeology communicator, to incorporate into his content targeting the (younger) general public. We can see he’s very deliberate in how he presents his information and humor, and he’s always thinking about how to make these topics accessible to people who would otherwise not be super invested. It’s a very different kind of communication than academic communication.

[@djalexander968]

21:20 this just stepped up from "wow im vaguely surprised and delighted by this guy correcting and informing us" to "i want him to co-host awful archaeology now"

[@LauraHammond-w3i]

Love that you can be critiqued, not get offended, learn from, poke fun at , and still give kudos to Dr Hafford.

[@pyingst]

Literally the only time I’ve watched a reaction to a reaction and come away NOT cursing the human condition. Thank you both!

[@MrDicehead]

Having the humility to post this and take the criticism so well shows how much you care about archeology. Loved this video

[@casualcrossovers6987]

This channel is the perfect combination of history and humor. I hope to become a museum conservator so the discussions about artifacts (and how often they are lost) is fascinating to me. Thanks Milo for the amazing content!

[@williamlyons2283]

Being able to own your mistakes and learn from them is why you get so much respect from your viewers. Kudos 👏 ❤

[@TheCthultist]

This is both absolutely awesome and simultaneously giving me some awful flashbacks to doing my edTPA and having to sit with two of my professors as they went through a video of me teaching and picked apart every minute of it, piece by piece. Great experience, but immensely anxiety inducing…

[@theKaraProject]

I think this is one of the coolest interactions I’ve seen online in a minute. I love the discussion that arises around subjects like this, I’ve learned even more than I thought I could on KZbin.

[@katherinereece]

I'm a layperson too. I started the Hall of Ma'at website to debunk this sort of stuff and being able to find journal articles was one of the biggest problems I had. Fortunately, I knew Bernard Ortiz de Montellano well enough that he would help me with articles.

[@coffeezombie6032]

I am seriously amazed by the intelligent and kind conversations that happen among people in the same field. It's great to see everyone correcting and adding to each other's research without being rude or disrespectful. We definitely need more of this in the world.