Minoru Higa's practice #1 | PUNCH | 比嘉稔先生 | 小林流究道館|初心者向け沖縄伝統空手

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沖縄伝統空手Okinawa Traditional Karate Channel

沖縄伝統空手Okinawa Traditional Karate Channel

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@rushedandlost
@rushedandlost 6 жыл бұрын
Sensei ,conducts himself as a true gentlemen. Very refreshing to see someone with great power and knowledge be so patient and humble.
@noahwig500
@noahwig500 5 жыл бұрын
yes, the spiritual side of it
@natsudragneel7367
@natsudragneel7367 6 жыл бұрын
You guys are doing a great work documenting these Senseis and encapsulating their experiences and knowledge!
@mestizoboy
@mestizoboy 6 жыл бұрын
Much respect to sensei. I *love* strong, perfect, basic form. Sensei's punch would clearly put your solar-plexus through your spine (: I wish I had a nickel for every time I've seen an improper punch left uncorrected by unfocused or questionably-qualified "masters".
@mikesmusicden
@mikesmusicden 2 жыл бұрын
These masters are living history books. So great to be able to see and hear them firsthand while they are still alive to share their knowledge. Great video - thank you for taking the time to make it! 👍
@Olexxus
@Olexxus 5 жыл бұрын
I love this chanel. As a Kyokushin practitioner myself I like to watch videos like this, but most of them are without any subtitles, so for non-japanese speakers they don't carry as much information as when You can read what philosophy is behind all this training. Keep it up!
@The44038945
@The44038945 6 жыл бұрын
I am practicing Shotokan-Karate. The root of Shotokan consists in Okinawa. From this root I can learn much. Wonderful! Also, unrreachable!
@petermcnallt12pm
@petermcnallt12pm 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing is impossible if we train and set our minds to it.
@taufiqzain931
@taufiqzain931 3 жыл бұрын
Shotokan is indeed a child of shorin.
@The44038945
@The44038945 3 жыл бұрын
@@petermcnallt12pm I will tray it again und again.
@lolimjon
@lolimjon 6 жыл бұрын
i am just mesmerised by how easy he utilises the energy produced by changing position of hips from hanmi to shomen... looks so natural :O shoto kid here to check out okinawan karate and noticed straight away that we both have this in common and this guy is a pro at it lol
@juoninjewsus
@juoninjewsus 4 жыл бұрын
I just wanna train!!! I love how sensei's energy is so "visible" moving from the toes up through the hips. Beautiful
@diosdadoapias
@diosdadoapias 5 жыл бұрын
punching is the best way to defend and fight while you are rooted to the ground while moving making you stable so that you will not stumble and can fight effectively. The kick will reinforce the punching. I simplify my training: straight punch and cross, upper cut and hook. Kicking is limited to front kick(bladder area), round house(lower side of the body) , side kick(lower abdomen) and turning kick(lower abdomen), knee strike( the start of front kick) and elbow strike, finger strike(spear hand), extended knuckle and chop.
@ruiseartalcorn
@ruiseartalcorn 6 жыл бұрын
I'd love to train with a master of this level!
@chrisipacs2091
@chrisipacs2091 Жыл бұрын
Ive been training Korean Tang soo do Moo duk kwan Karate for 47 years..So many similarities between both arts..Absolutely Beautiful The utmost Respect to the Masters and Grandmasters...
@jamesmacleod9183
@jamesmacleod9183 4 жыл бұрын
Omg!! Feels like I'm back 20years ago! Awesome 👍
@Juliodax
@Juliodax 4 жыл бұрын
You are not the only one!!!
@kgrameshss
@kgrameshss 4 жыл бұрын
Powerful and Knowledgeable but humble. Truly a respectable Grand Master ...
@kobe51
@kobe51 3 жыл бұрын
That was great instruction🙏
@weekuah
@weekuah 5 жыл бұрын
It's such a pleasure to be able to learn from a grand master the essence of even a simple technique such as a punch .
@jerelkenworthy3368
@jerelkenworthy3368 5 жыл бұрын
I liked it. Need more info from Okinawa masters.
@jonolemon
@jonolemon 6 жыл бұрын
when I was young in my first dojo, we have a makiwara close to the wall of the building, if we punched perfectly well, the wood hit the wall and the sound was incredibly strong ! if we used a muscular strengh it did not work ... only when we were concentrate on the "koshi" (the hip) power... magical trick ? we have to stopped because the people who lived upstairs in that buiding have complained ^-^
@Juliodax
@Juliodax 4 жыл бұрын
The hip!! Exactly
@rumahtherapyechathalisa5748
@rumahtherapyechathalisa5748 5 жыл бұрын
Respect from Indonesia. 🙏🙏🙏
@zeus1141
@zeus1141 2 жыл бұрын
"Once you made contact with the enemy, you won't gain any distance in a real fight". I think this a very wise thought. Many styles their techniques and style revolves around having the space or luxury of distance.
@earlcheatham9152
@earlcheatham9152 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent..OSH!.so many ways you can deliver a punch depends on the angle!! the simultaneous synchronicity of hip, shoulder and distance..OSH!
@jairajjagtap9155
@jairajjagtap9155 4 жыл бұрын
Respect Master 🙏
@gojuboxer4224
@gojuboxer4224 5 жыл бұрын
That is the most truth I have heard on karate technique vs principles in a very long time. It reminds me of trying to imitate the deep stances of shorter people which led to the detriment of my own mobility.
@persistenthustle
@persistenthustle 6 жыл бұрын
It's all basic physics. Collision of rigid objects creates more force. Hence you just want to make sure to have a lot of moving mass hitting the target on a small surface in a rigid form.
@thedevilsadvocate3710
@thedevilsadvocate3710 6 жыл бұрын
I learned a thing. Great basics! OSS!
@jesusbonnie
@jesusbonnie 5 жыл бұрын
Came for the Yakisoba and stayed for the Karate. Awesome video.
@HellsHord
@HellsHord 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when the shorin fist was made with the index finger extended and the thumb locked over it. this helped make the first two knuckles protrude on impact of the strike. the fist in chamber would rotate upright fluid and fast tensing at the moment of impact. Delivering a fast and devastating blow
@mountainman7077
@mountainman7077 5 жыл бұрын
I am very greatful thank you for sharing
@pchinkerZ
@pchinkerZ 2 жыл бұрын
究道館のお姉さん達の演武、ホント凄い迫力。先生も大事だが、女性も管理職の時代だしCMには。
@goa7516
@goa7516 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks ! Sensei 🙏 .
@mokyan7
@mokyan7 6 жыл бұрын
This is good and interesting info. Have trained wing chun several years and I see the similarities in these different systems. Both start relaxed, your body turn and punch starts with the feet, legs, hips, torso, and explodes at the end with a snap. The karate punch has more axis rotation but the wing chun punch has lower wrist snap. Both use a close range punch once the distance is closed, both have a “5 or 6 inch punch.” He has great power generation and posture, throws the punch out and also contracts his fist hard through impact, accelerating the whole time. I think he strikes at a downward angle as well, this hurts more because the opponent is forced towards the ground instead of back. He also is able to move freely and relax before the other body strikes he demonstrated. Good stuff.
@dmfaccount1272
@dmfaccount1272 6 жыл бұрын
@Richard Hurts Or the MMA fighter could throw a punch for the first time without gloves and break their hands. Karate practiced traditionally is more than a match for Muay Thai which MMA striking is based on. Read about the challenge fights between Kyokushin and Muay Thai in the 60s I believe (spoilers Kyokushin won 3/4 fights).
@sphenoidjjj
@sphenoidjjj 6 жыл бұрын
@Richard Hurts fool!
@Trisin-m3i
@Trisin-m3i 5 жыл бұрын
@Richard Hurts fooooooool !!!
@khamariblair7284
@khamariblair7284 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to be a student in that dojo.
@TheSniperBarrett
@TheSniperBarrett 5 жыл бұрын
compliments is very interesting
@mugsy5893
@mugsy5893 6 жыл бұрын
I would hope the reporter came back for instruction! Thanks for the video.
@Soriichi
@Soriichi 6 жыл бұрын
5:46 you hear that? That's the sound of a five finger death punch.
@williamperkins9349
@williamperkins9349 6 жыл бұрын
At the 1:13 mark the first one on the lists says "Sukinai-hayashi," I know that Kanji as "Shobayashi."
@sharadsharma6842
@sharadsharma6842 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading.
@francescol.bellman9670
@francescol.bellman9670 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@manoelgomesfilho5036
@manoelgomesfilho5036 4 жыл бұрын
Autêntico Mestre.
@abhiksarkar504
@abhiksarkar504 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot,Sir
@senseicourtney
@senseicourtney 5 жыл бұрын
Osu! Love this, so good to watch, great video🥋
@Volksgranadier
@Volksgranadier 3 жыл бұрын
We dont say osu in traditional karate. It's rude
@adofonconi9753
@adofonconi9753 5 жыл бұрын
Besides the good hand conditioning, I'd be curious to see his power with a correct footwork that allows the correct power chain foot hip shoulder fist.
@flavvsdasilver6442
@flavvsdasilver6442 5 жыл бұрын
On this channel, look for the video titled "The Most Traditional Practice Of Shorin-Ryu". It has a lovely demo of the fundamentals, and shows you footwork by tje same sensei.
@alohalua9918
@alohalua9918 5 жыл бұрын
Well dont watch him...go and see somewhere else...nobody was asking you ...what do you want or need to see ...you can always go other way ...with your wisdom planet is very wide!!!
@JoachimderZweite
@JoachimderZweite 6 жыл бұрын
What worries me is the snap his gi makes when he punches. On a very lucky day maybe you could outrun him.
@nelsonventura7374
@nelsonventura7374 6 жыл бұрын
Very good! Thank you very much!
@shoppingrb9544
@shoppingrb9544 5 жыл бұрын
1:17 if it has nothing to do with Shaolin Temple why this last style is named 少林寺流? 少林寺 SHOURIN-JI (SHAOLINZI) Shaolin Temple 流 - RYUU style. Also there is the infamous school of master "DOSSHIN", said to have been a Japanese spy in China during World War II, that is called 少林寺拳法 SHOURIN-JI KENPOU. Kenpô was one old name for any fighting art in Okinawa, the art of the fist. It is just the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese CHUANFA written the same 拳法. Usually in China it's abbreviated as only CHUAN like in SHAOLIN CHUAN, TAICHI CHUAN, BAI HE CHUAN.
@Catsincages
@Catsincages 5 жыл бұрын
Possibly because it was named after Shaolin Temple out of respect to the oral history of karate, but there is no direct lineage to Shaolin hence sensei Higa saying "no". Karate of the Shorin lineage in addition to being based on the indigenous Okinawa Te contains elements of various Chinese arts, most notably white crane and 5 ancestors (which also contains white crane). Those Chinese arts were, according to tradition, taken to Fujian province by a handful of monks who survived the Northern Shaolin temple's annihilation in 1641 by Li Zicheng the Shun dynasty Emperor.
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat 6 жыл бұрын
This Tsuki-punch appears to be a notable upgrade of the Tsucker-punch
@complexblackness
@complexblackness 6 жыл бұрын
Lol
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat 6 жыл бұрын
@@complexblackness Tsank you. (Baduhm-tisch)
@dougcarter1924
@dougcarter1924 5 жыл бұрын
The reverse PUNCH is a face lifting experience. The first time I used it I thought I killed the guy but I just taught him to be respectful.
@whynottalklikeapirat
@whynottalklikeapirat 5 жыл бұрын
​@@dougcarter1924 As a teacher of many years I recommend you become a little more explicit to yourself about what specific learning objectives your lessons are directed towards accomplishing and then narrow down the scope a bit. The "from sudden Death to respectful" spectrum of learner affordance is a little broad and the criteria for success may come across confusing to some students
@dougcarter1924
@dougcarter1924 5 жыл бұрын
@@whynottalklikeapirat 20 years of MARTIAL ARTS. I think I GOT it O.K.
@wingchun1422
@wingchun1422 6 жыл бұрын
Back to very basics 😁
@gie19801
@gie19801 4 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Poland
@حمزةحمزة-م4ف4ض
@حمزةحمزة-م4ف4ض 6 жыл бұрын
Cool work
@amrendrabahubali4618
@amrendrabahubali4618 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it was great but I want to learn how to tasuki above chin area
@carlosantarelli74
@carlosantarelli74 6 жыл бұрын
Bellissimo video!
@wehrwolf8006
@wehrwolf8006 5 жыл бұрын
Authentic Old School Training
@funakoshikarate8706
@funakoshikarate8706 5 жыл бұрын
excellent . .
@gyan.1011
@gyan.1011 4 жыл бұрын
Nice info
@joari123
@joari123 6 жыл бұрын
Great!
@amrendrabahubali4618
@amrendrabahubali4618 3 жыл бұрын
How to punch above chin area
@user-bultria
@user-bultria 6 жыл бұрын
一つ一つの動作の意味をきちんと理解して、説明できる先生は多くないです。
@outraclasseglow
@outraclasseglow 6 жыл бұрын
GREAT VID OSS
@josef-peterroemer6235
@josef-peterroemer6235 3 жыл бұрын
OSS us not used in Okinawan Dojo, not respectful.
@hatejethro1164
@hatejethro1164 6 жыл бұрын
When he is hitting, his fist has a diagonal orientation to the makiwara. Why is that?
@mestizoboy
@mestizoboy 6 жыл бұрын
That form is nearly flawless; It's not diagonal if you consider the proper contact points of the index and middle knuckles. -It sounds like you're envisioning the entire area across your 4 knuckles. With the back of your clenched hand parallel to your forearm, angle your fist laterally to where the index and middle knuckle are in-line with, and the contact points are perfectly perpindicular to, the forearm. THAT is "straight". -Hope that helps
@hatejethro1164
@hatejethro1164 6 жыл бұрын
@@mestizoboy so if i understand it correctly, the angle the entire fist makes on contact is irrelevant, as long as the alignment of the entire body(including the first two knuckles) behind the punch is correct?
@mestizoboy
@mestizoboy 6 жыл бұрын
@@hatejethro1164 Not really. As I said, the index and middle knuckles should be in-line with your forearm. In my first reply, I was merely pointing out that sensei's fist wasn't at an angle if you consider the correct contact-points of his fist. Body position/stance is a whole other subject. Look at sensei's punch/pause the video at the point where he strikes the makiwara - You'll see that you can basically draw a *straight line* from the end of his humerus, down the core-center of his forearm, all the way through the center of his index and middle knuckles. Do you know what a battering ram looks like? Or, those strikers they use for large Japanese bells? -Your goal is to turn your forearm and first two knuckles into one of those.
@hatejethro1164
@hatejethro1164 6 жыл бұрын
@@mestizoboy tnx a lot dude, good info
@wilhelmu
@wilhelmu 6 жыл бұрын
this is very weird to me. ive trained shorin ryu for 7 years-our dojo is a part of world shorin ryu federation-and we've never been taught to punch like he does. we were taught to punch straight, and rotate our fist 45 degrees. a fist rotated 45 degrees is even in shorin ryu logo, and its a highlight of this karate style.
@VinDcator
@VinDcator 5 жыл бұрын
Very similar to Shaolin-style Kempo. Either way, I wouldn't want to be at the business end of his first two knuckles.
@shozinryu4
@shozinryu4 5 жыл бұрын
The reason they are similar is because the very word SHORIN is the Japanese pronunciation of Shaolin. The Japanese have difficulty anunciating the word so they pronounce it SHORIN. Shorin-ryu literally translates to Shaolin system/ Shaolin school. True story. Check for yourself. In fact if you were paying attention in the begining the Master mentioned that.
@shozinryu4
@shozinryu4 5 жыл бұрын
It doesn't have direct roots to the Shaolin Temple but Chinese Kata and techniques were added to this Okinawan Karate syatem in the same way Tang Soo Do was with the Korean system.
@shoppingrb9544
@shoppingrb9544 5 жыл бұрын
@@shozinryu4 You're an idiot full of yourself. Shaolin Temple kempo is his translation. Dosshin school is named SHOURIN-JI KENPOU. Please refrain to add your ignorance.
@shoppingrb9544
@shoppingrb9544 5 жыл бұрын
@Vin D , l commented the following if it is of your interest: Shopping Rb: 1 second ago "1:17 if it has nothing to do with Shaolin Temple why this last style is named 少林寺流? 少林寺 SHOURIN-JI (SHAOLINZI) Shaolin Temple 流 - RYUU style. Also there is the infamous school of master "DOSSHIN", said to have been a Japanese spy in China during World War II, that is called 少林寺拳法 SHOURIN-JI KENPOU. Kenpô was one old name for any fighting art in Okinawa, the art of the fist. It is just the Japanese pronunciation of the Chinese CHUANFA written the same 拳法. Usually in China it's abbreviated as only CHUAN like in SHAOLIN CHUAN, TAICHI CHUAN, BAI HE CHUAN. "
@MrBeiragua
@MrBeiragua 5 жыл бұрын
@@shoppingrb9544 Higa himself says it in the video. It's just a name. Karate has no relation to Shaolin Kung fu.
@enochgeurts9671
@enochgeurts9671 6 жыл бұрын
Großartig erklärt. Osu. Germany.
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 5 жыл бұрын
Nice discussion... although, there were some wrong grammars and spellings in the captioned english translation.
@joachimmartinlopena538
@joachimmartinlopena538 4 жыл бұрын
I may be years too late to catch up. Is it still possible to train at 36?
@九九-j5v
@九九-j5v 4 жыл бұрын
What soundtrack on opening?
@ashrafabdalaa4033
@ashrafabdalaa4033 5 жыл бұрын
I love japan
@johnemmons9087
@johnemmons9087 3 жыл бұрын
Where does Shorei-Ryu fit in?
@harageilucid4352
@harageilucid4352 6 жыл бұрын
This old gentleman knows a thing or two.
@hitansupatra6686
@hitansupatra6686 5 жыл бұрын
@Richard Hurts plz don't judge
@akhildas000
@akhildas000 5 жыл бұрын
But he is master in it, if you miss you are finish
@akhildas000
@akhildas000 5 жыл бұрын
@Richard Hurts Plz dont fight with them, if you fight master higona he must want to go jail
@dbzfan8911
@dbzfan8911 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@MARIOLONEWOLF
@MARIOLONEWOLF 6 жыл бұрын
Great...Grand Master OSU from Italy
@josef-peterroemer6235
@josef-peterroemer6235 3 жыл бұрын
You never use OSU in Okinawan Dojo Looked down upon.
@elisabetepereirapereiraper135
@elisabetepereirapereiraper135 6 жыл бұрын
Gostei do senhor miyagi!like 👍
@manoelgomesfilho5036
@manoelgomesfilho5036 5 жыл бұрын
Perfeito.
@azaraliyev2064
@azaraliyev2064 4 жыл бұрын
long live masters
@karatesalamanzen
@karatesalamanzen 6 жыл бұрын
Onegai shimasu ,Hanshi Minoru Higa !!
@rean21rean41
@rean21rean41 3 жыл бұрын
Intro theme?
@Juliodax
@Juliodax 4 жыл бұрын
I practice this style in Argentina!!!!
@Volksgranadier
@Volksgranadier 3 жыл бұрын
Yo tambien, casi 23 años. Fui alumno de Fattore sensei
@rogeriokamakura7495
@rogeriokamakura7495 6 жыл бұрын
Sugoi!!!
@johnblount1347
@johnblount1347 5 жыл бұрын
Love the video but had to snicker and music in the background in the opening scene. it sounded like someone should be cooking Barbecue and having a cold one
@xotnghon4326
@xotnghon4326 5 жыл бұрын
I'm student of one of those shorin ryu.......this video is legit
@peterwilliamson8721
@peterwilliamson8721 5 жыл бұрын
I wish I'd started watching a lot sooner.
@mensa517
@mensa517 5 жыл бұрын
私は25年間、石竜空手の白帯でした。
@flavvsdasilver6442
@flavvsdasilver6442 5 жыл бұрын
That's great! The hardest part of karate is starting :) you are well on your way to success. Good luck!
@kaim2437
@kaim2437 2 жыл бұрын
Stone dragon karate hahaha I think you mean, 一心流
@fixmix9857
@fixmix9857 5 жыл бұрын
I was trained in this style.
@themasakatsu
@themasakatsu 4 жыл бұрын
すげー。素足だったら巻藁、折るんでしょうね。ヤバい。ゆっくり打ってるんですよね。空手の先生は誰でも。すげー。
@oshdeco
@oshdeco 5 жыл бұрын
так черный пояс становится белым 6:20
@eligaini4062
@eligaini4062 3 жыл бұрын
あなたが平和を探しているなら、あなたはそれを見つけることは決してないでしょう、あなたがそれを探していないときにあなたに平和が来ます。(ジガル教授
@Haddomne
@Haddomne 3 жыл бұрын
That looks hard
@wisemanbernard3549
@wisemanbernard3549 6 жыл бұрын
Sugoi !
@joaoguilhermebastos519
@joaoguilhermebastos519 4 жыл бұрын
It is fun to see the reporter scaried or perhaps impressed. Just like these days ordinary japanese avoided the mere smell of violence by any sort. Sad. Even this "violence" being part of the roots of their very people.
@ДенисТищенко-в7ь
@ДенисТищенко-в7ь 6 жыл бұрын
add!!! and 👍 thank you frome Ukraine!
@aziremperorofthesands6369
@aziremperorofthesands6369 5 жыл бұрын
traidtional karate is brutal, and i like it :^)
@MrKevinwg
@MrKevinwg 2 жыл бұрын
The reason they turn their punches is it is more likely to break ribs, and hit vitals with punches.
@Ironfangzu
@Ironfangzu 5 жыл бұрын
it's an art, and carries a lot of heritage and tradition. But if you're talking about self defense against attackers, go with a 9mm automatic like a H&K VP9, one of the most reliable and accurate guns out there. 15 hollow point rounds going downrange will stop an attacker better than even one of Mr. Kiga's punches :P
@luigimanzelli3786
@luigimanzelli3786 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Assuming that you have enough time to pull it out, remove the safe, load, and shoot, your fist needs none of those things :D
@samuraiisalmighty4917
@samuraiisalmighty4917 4 жыл бұрын
Unless u leave in ametica u finewith guns
@michaelcaldwell2391
@michaelcaldwell2391 4 жыл бұрын
Real karate is not a game or competition . It is deadly and should for most people never use besides practice
@AdolfHitler-lk4vo
@AdolfHitler-lk4vo 2 жыл бұрын
Thats how i know u have never done any martial arts or sparring
@ethanoyamawang
@ethanoyamawang 5 жыл бұрын
Naihachi in Kanji is 羅漢拳
@elieli9296
@elieli9296 5 жыл бұрын
How old is he
@yogi8337
@yogi8337 4 жыл бұрын
78 y.o this year, still strong despite his age
@mistermagoo9187
@mistermagoo9187 5 жыл бұрын
I study and have practice Goju- Ryu Karate my entire life since about 12 yrs of age! Okinawan Karate is a very Hard and Disciplined system!! This system was developed by the Okinawan people before their over throwing the Japanese power for Independence!! 🤔👍
@migueltorres1949
@migueltorres1949 6 жыл бұрын
DOPPO OROCHI!!!
@GokuInfintysaiyan
@GokuInfintysaiyan 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Naha-te was first Chojun Miyagi and Kanryo Higoanna got my back on this
@KobukanGojuRyu
@KobukanGojuRyu 5 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Shuri-te dates back far further than Kanryo Higashionna.
@kennykevin3713
@kennykevin3713 3 жыл бұрын
But my friends was in high school who is miyagis grate grand son talled me gojyuuryu is first
@GokuInfintysaiyan
@GokuInfintysaiyan 3 жыл бұрын
@@KobukanGojuRyu The name sure, but not the movements.
@АндрейИльющенко-п3ъ
@АндрейИльющенко-п3ъ 6 жыл бұрын
какя хорошая макивара
@legatusapollo7601
@legatusapollo7601 21 күн бұрын
巻藁の板が薄すぎないですか?
@safdarkh786
@safdarkh786 6 жыл бұрын
Domo arigato gosaimas hanshi
@Trovao13
@Trovao13 6 жыл бұрын
Like do TROVÃO TREZE. ok brother. Tmj. OSS
@josef-peterroemer6235
@josef-peterroemer6235 3 жыл бұрын
OSS 👎 not used in Okinawa
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