The New Freddy Krueger is MID - Rework Overview

[@MintSkull]

I have played Freddy in the PTB for a while, using various builds and addon combos, focusing on different playstyles, and I cannot hide the fact that this rework is really good, but it also dissapointed me a lot in some aspects. HOWEVER It has massive potential, just like the Sadako and Knight rework, so I hope there are more changes coming to live, as there are clear flaws with his new power that need a bit of changes!

[@cambrn]

hey is fun Yeah I know freddy is powerful playing as him but surviver going a gest buff freddy no

[@svenschroder8446]

I would prefer him to be lore friendly and not be able to injure or down survivors that are awake at all. He should also be invisible to awake survivors. Instead, he should get an interaction with awake survivors who don't move (doing gen, healing etc.) that will reduce their sleep timer. The second survivors fall asleep, Freddy can M1 them. Maybe even with special animation where his hand bursts throu their chests. Freddy would be 100% fine as a role play character that is good at jumpscaring survivors. Not every killer has to be comp with full arsenal to play at tournaments. Playing Mirror Myers on a good map is one of the most fun things this game has to offer. For both sides.

[@flaviojesus3821]

@@svenschroder8446 They tried that before, and the killer had an horrible experience, even with this kit, if that was the case it would be horrible, i do understand the role play aspect you mention but, no matter how you try to implement it, the killer is not gonna have a good time because there is no counterplay on his part against awake survivors

[@svenschroder8446]

@@flaviojesus3821 Make his TR survivors fall asleep faster the closer he is without making it audible for awake survivors and give him the ability to make survivors fall asleep faster (kinda like dispelling illusioins from the unknown). Freddy should be OP when asleep and with no power when awake. Staying awake would be the counterplay to him. Not this chase and anti loop pallete nonesense that has absolutely nothing to do with him as a killer. It wouldn't hurt to have some more killers that work fundamentally different than chase killers. Why would his dream world have pallets or windows at all? It is HIS world. When asleep, this should all be blocked. Add chests with anti sleeping pills. While having chest interaction to open chest, he could use this "fall asleep" power on you to prevent you from resetting or whatever. He would be much more interesting if devs respected the lore and ignore chase inthusiasts.

[@flaviojesus3821]

@@svenschroder8446 That does seem interesting, the problem is it would be extremely frustrating for survivors when they are on the dream world due to barely any counterplay, and boring for freddy depending on the situations, it is just unhealthy design, i do like what you said about killers working very diferent than other, the problem is you kinda need to make (and learn) to play another game to make it fair and enjoyble for both sides

[@AirLight1646]

I think asleep survivors should not get an indicator that dream pallets are fake, but awake survivors should keep it.

[@MintSkull]

That sounds like a good idea to try out, but I feel like it won't solve the problem of awake survivors being able to completely shut down the dream pallets with no risk unless Freddy uses a specific green addon

[@lucasaglio8377]

Cool idea. Dream pallets also should't stun Freddy and , maybe, dropping one should add to the sleep timer on awake survivors. It could also detonate slightly faster to hit it more easily

[@nayd5043]

@@MintSkull Dropping the pallet while it is exploding should not stop the explosion, you already had the option of leaving the loop and decided to take the dream pallet minigame.

[@Red-lu1rx]

Echo has a good take 👍

[@xrup972]

Also they could keep the killer stun from the dropped pallets, but making it a double edged sword, where if they do manage to stun the killer, they will suffer from the pallet detonating

[@TLtheDude]

I've seen people complain about "how overpowered they made Freddy now" when they gave him probably the most accessible and powerful counter in the game, and I genuinely hope those aren't the people the devs decide to listen to when bringing this stuff to live

[@Anemic_doggo]

This should of been base freddy since the beginning this is literally the dream demon we should of gotten

[@djandjb1]

@@Anemic_doggoI think you’re confused. He’s saying this Freddy is weak and other people are calling it strong when it’s obviously not

[@douglasbreno4966]

These are precisely the people they listen to when they balance killers 😂

[@s1storm]

He's not weak, and imho he's atleast low A tier, the pallets have good zoning and the snares are good to have.​@@djandjb1

[@lilianmenetrey4164]

No the principal good thing is that he is fun now

[@steelrice3974]

I just want dream pallets to not stun freddy and not be shown to survivors. I don't really care about the explosions, more of questioning if the pallet is real or not.

[@ZedrikVonKatmahl]

The only reason I use the dream pallets if for the mind game The new dream pallets are useless to me

[@Jmp187]

Yeah I’m looking though and finding out that dream pallets can stun me now. I loved old pallet Freddy. That’s like one of the funnest ways to use him. I loved swinging at a survivor when they were dropping a fake pallet lol was so satisfying

[@feathero3]

Being in character and forcing victims to question their surroundings? Nah, give Freddy an easily defusable bomb!

[@djandjb1]

Where are all the cool Freddy mains that wanted his original power back with tweaks? Being invisible when survivors are awake and slowly pulling one or two into your dream world was very cool, especially watching them freak out and try to figure out where you’re coming from before the sleep shows you. If they would have iterated on this idea instead of their reworked one, I feel Freddy would have a better identity as his own character, as he currently feels like clown with a small Sadako side grade (which isn’t as good as it sounds because the slow isn’t really as good as clowns, and the TP is more niche to use than Sadako’s as it’s either completely in the survivors control to avoid(Just don’t heal when asleep) or easy to avoid/ignore(you get a long notification of his TP and he has no ability to cancel it anymore, which is why this buff feels more like a side-grade) Overall he feels like a killer they literally built into being power-crept. Everyone who does what he does, does it way better

[@pq44animations56]

Because when you are at the bottom, neglected and forgotten, any change feels like a blessing

[@vichoe4589]

i hated the first freddy rework, it always seemed to be more catered to people who didn't even care to learn him. I really feel like the old kit could've worked if his slowdown & aura reading was nerfed a bit and in exchange gave him a strong chase power

[@djandjb1]

@@vichoe4589 Exaxtly. Apparently they’ve said somewhere they will never go back to that design (probably the guy whom designed it is no longer with them), but it still feels so frustrating that they can’t make what he current have feel all that impactful.

[@Jamespercy711]

Being stunned pallet saved by a fake imaginary dream pallet that isn’t a legitament pallet is the dumbest thing besides the glowing obvious red aura from the pallets bhvr has done with his power.

[@tyharris856]

They are so stupid like if you’re gonna make pallets useless there’s no point in having that in his kit, so pointless.

[@supernateplays962]

Still not gonna save someone running towards a fake pallet in the middle of a chase because his fake pallets still show up with windows of opportunity.

[@vanechkafyva5792]

Freddy didn’t get a custom chase and menu music . My copium was very high, I guess

[@TheWoodWraith]

From what I’ve seen (which, admittedly, isn’t a lot) the dream pallets can be good at tricking a survivor to a dead zone or an expended loop due to them looking like a regular pallet from 8 meters away or so. And with the eruption, you force the survivor to either run to a different loop, or drop the dream pallet, forcing them into an animation where you can catch up very fast. Yeah you risk a stun, but played well that risk may as well just not exist. Then again, this is mostly just theory crafting on my part as I have only watched other people play Freddy. So take what I say with a grain of salt.

[@dineez627]

The only use of dream pallets rupture is when it's in a already existing loop with a real pallet. Forces the survivor to leave and get hit or stay and get hit. The problem is this seems extremely map dependent as the only maps I've seen this be possible on are The Game and RPD. Maybe possible on Hawkins but that's just speculation on my part.

[@marceloxaustivo784]

My idea is making him being able to make dream pallets of real pallets but using double the charges and the pallet reappears once the dream one is gone (just the ones made of real pallets) but dropping down the pallet makes it explode instantly

[@TotallyBolero]

The fact You cant cancel teleport anymore not only ruind mindgames, but You can also not Stop yourself from going the wrong place accidently. Theres been so many times for me Where i teleport to the wrong place because some gen was infront of the healing survivor, and i wasnt able to cancel it.

[@cupidbirds]

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[@FIunkyyyy]

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[@diedonerbude4424]

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[@imthenewguy6470]

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[@flaviojesus3821]

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[@diedonerbude4424]

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[@Rocka_Timez]

As someone who had just recently started playing Freddy, this rework makes me sad. I only ever did pallet Freddy, and I was actually doing pretty good with it. I have never been a fan of the snares, so I probably won't want to touch him after this update.

[@technoecho4671]

We two are alike.

[@timlockwood5028]

We Three, I only played him because of the fake pallets it was so fun to see the pallet just turn into blood when a survivor tried to stun me and getting flabbergasted

[@ZedrikVonKatmahl]

@@timlockwood5028 This is the whole point of the dream pallets, the reworked ones are useless

[@TheVenomJedi]

All we really need now is the old Freddy skin with voice lines

[@hydrex6819]

Fr, unfortunately Warner Bros and New Line are being cringe about it

[@MintSkull]

I wish we had Englund Freddy 😅

[@urmomvia]

we blame WB for this.

[@lillipton8838]

Never happening. Englund freddy and remake freddy are 2 different licenses

[@Grubusss]

@@lillipton8838 i mean just becouse they are 2 diffrent licenses doesn't mean there can't be a skin for it. Kinda like changing Cheryl with James. I still think its impossible tho due to Englund Freddy rightholders are probably ass.

[@spooderman4008]

I used to play exclusively dream pallet Freddy not because it was good but because I felt like a lore accurate Nemesis, just watching them throw things at me and them just smashing across my face with no reaction. New Freddy is nice but man, my pallets. :(

[@feathero3]

I feel you from the Snare side. Loved using them as tracking devices or area denial, especially in loops. The screams of the damned was extra creepy and cool, and satisfying to use well in a chase. Got so excited to hear they now work on awake survivors, only learn they've been changed into a ranged attack, and it's yet attack that ignores walls. I already had Executioner and Dark Lord for that, and if I wanted to shoot a slow down mid chase, I'd be playing Clown. =( At least there's an add-on that restores them. Oh wait, you just get 1 single Snare while doing so...

[@grimreaper8575]

I didnt know they could throw an exploding pallet to stop it. That's dumb af. It should instantly detonate and hurt the survivor if they touch it during rupture. The stun i can forgive because hubris, enduring, and just dodging them to begin with. However the fact that they become highlighted for survivors is SO stupid. Even with swfs, if they can see them awake or asleep and call out thrown pallets to their teammates, those teammates might not remember every pallet mid chase, but the highlight is a dead giveaway. Also i firmly believe the rupture needs either more range or a faster detonation. Its almost pointless as is. Overall i like what they did, but he definitely needs some fine tuning.

[@SurvivalHorrorEntertainment]

I am a P100 Freddy main who has been here since 2017, and I will say that this rework is not a buff at all it is 100% a nerf in every way. Current Snares: 15% Hinder, new Snares 12% Hinder. Current Dream Projection: 45 seconds that can be lowered to 9 seconds, New Dream Projection 30 seconds base that can be lowered to 24 seconds. Current Freddy downs a survivor, and they stay asleep, New Freddy downs a survivor, and they wake up just like 2017 Freddy. Current Freddy RPB prevents survivors from waking up from failing skill checks, new Freddy loses this for 2017 Freddy aura read with 5-6 ways to wake up. Current Freddy survivors have to go to Alarm Clocks furthest from them, New Freddy wake up at will from any Alarm Clock. Current Dream Pallets blend in with real pallets, New Dream Pallets drip blood, good luck getting value vs anyone with 1 brain cell. Can't wait to down a survivor at the exit gate while using black box considering it only blocks the gates for asleep survivors and with new Freddy downing a survivor wakes them up lol. Cool now my power works on awake survivors lol why? So, I can hit them just to wake them up again? What is the point of putting anyone asleep if my shit is just going to wake them up? The entire point of Freddy is to keep everyone asleep to become more powerful and now it is literally impossible to keep anyone asleep unless they are pure trash idiots. And now I can be stunned by my own abilities lol! And now I can make a pallet no one with a brain is going to fall for blow up which will put them asleep or injure them, good luck getting value from that trash vs anyone good. The current Freddy we have is stronger, easier, and better in every way. The only people who call the current Freddy we have bad, is those who suck at the game or those who never took the time to learn how to play Freddy correctly. Oh, I almost forgot, now I can't even fake a teleport to mind game anyone. And now you can teleport to healing survivors while they are asleep, lol good luck finding someone asleep. This trash community wanted old Freddy back well be glad because now you got him back. As a Freddy main I have taken a lot of shit from these devs and the community... This might be what finally makes me officially quit DBD.

[@soomitsunami5936]

Never did I think that I would hear MINTSKULL HIMSELF SAY “glazing Freddy”

[@satirical_snake]

“The only one keeping it real is Scott Jund” Scott Jund would find a reason to complain about a cure to cancer.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

I love how some people are writing “complicated changes” that will never happen. 1) they won’t change anything. 2) if they change anything, it will be a very small change. The classic “1 less second, 1 more second to perform X action”.

[@fenior]

Being MID is literally perfect. It means he is balanced or at least close to being balanced.

[@rexsauce]

Let’s make more survivor stuff mid too

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

​@@rexsauce Like what?

[@anton_9329]

no, not really. if you can play as well as you want, but still have no chance against really good survivors, that's anything but perfect. That's the problem with almost all killers, because no matter how well you play, you have no chance as soon as the survivors are really good and know what they're doing. Nurse, Spirit and Blight are balanced because they are really strong if the killer knows what he's doing, but the survivors still have a chance if they know what they're doing as well. that's MY opinion!

[@bmo7259]

Nah i would not call freddy balanced right now. 1/3 of his power actively harms him if you use it, the snares are the best part about him but are just sidegrades to clowns slow bottles, and the gen tp is really predictable/ healing tp is really avoidable. There isnt much room for people to learn anything about him, you shoot snares at survivors and tp to the right place so its not a case of wait until people learn him. He is a simple killer not really a balanced killer rn, The pallet part of his power needs buffed in basically every aspect, after that he might be balanced

[@rexsauce]

@@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902 everything

[@HexMileena]

I literally bought him for 3 reasons: Seeing his Glove in 1st person, how the Dream World looks, Everything echoing 🔥🔥🔥

[@Deverer93]

Although there are issues, I do like the framework they gave him. I think with some tweaks, he could be in a good spot. 1. Remove being able to be stunned by Dream Pallets. 2. Once a pallet begins to Rupture, it should not be able to be thrown. Or maybe they just speed up the explosion doing so. Kinda like a victim of Freddy trying to fight back in the dream only to have it turned around on them. Could potentially open up 2 taps if timed right. Could feel a bit oppressive though. 3. Asleep survivors see Dream Pallets as normal pallets. 4. Unsure if this is a thing, but throwing a Dream Pallet while awake should progress your sleep meter. 5. Getting hit by a Pallet Rupture while awake should bypass the sleep immunity completely. Or remove it at the least, with 30 seconds added (not half to keep Red Paint Brush in line). 6. Maybe to help reduce degenerate playstyles, survivors who rescue someone from the hook wake up. Cause reasons. There's still the issue of you still getting the hit anyway, but at least maybe asleep survivors will get fooled more often. And it could be like hitting a power into a fast pickup like other killers, lessening the chance of a flash save.

[@MintSkull]

For your 4th point, unless it's glitched, it does not progress the asleep meter!

[@Deverer93]

@@MintSkull That's interesting. Also in terms of feedback, what do survivors get when Freddy is teleporting to them while healing? I haven't been able to see it. Someone said blood spurts out but I can't find footage and can't access the ptb right now. It could help if maybe a laugh plays if Freddy starts to teleport to survivors specifically.

[@nayd5043]

@@Deverer93 Some dark effects appear below your character while healing.

[@the_architype294]

I agree with everything you say the only things I would add is that Freddy should also be able to cancel his teleport like before and they should slightly nerf teleporting to Healing survivors and an awake Survivor shouldn't be able to see pallets since those are placed in the dream world and they are awake

[@someonerandom8511]

I think that if the pallets are strong, being able to be stunned by them would be good counterplay. I think about it like zeno turrets or emps, you have to work around your own power, but the reward is worth it. However, as of now, it isn't. It needs a buff like that

[@Jamespercy711]

Survivors are already trying to get Freddie’s teleport ability to healing survivors nerfed as well as the killer instinct when they literally have all clocks available to get out of the dream state. I fear he’s gonna get heavily gutted like skull merchant but I hope he doesn’t and makes it to live

[@CookiePanda]

Why exactly should he have this ability when no other killer can? This is bullshit and you know it.

[@Guildmaster_xero]

I mean, I love the new snares. I'm a sucker for good anti-loop. However, I fell in love with the dream pallets after seeing how bad the old snares sucked, and now I can't even have that? BHVR WHY?

[@Riley-zl8dd]

i have a idea seeing how its HEAVILY encouraging survivors to use the clocks to become awake so make it so that only asleep survivors can tell that a pallet is a dream pallet it doesnt make total sense since its a dream pallet not a fake pallet but its better then never being able to use your dream pallets XD

[@heyguysitsbeth]

Its pretty awesome that characters with mediocre power effects like Trapper and Freddy can be hindered by using their own power, but Hillbilly, who already has an incredibly strong and versatile power, gets nothing but bonuses making their power even better for using their power constantly.

[@feathero3]

Yeah, don't get why some killers get all the love and others are dumped on. Seems to be a lot of favoritism by the devs.

[@Coblit3]

Scott Jund shout out is so goated

[@theducktdm536]

I wpuldve loved if they changed it so freddy doesnt see the "dream world filter" himself, so everything isnt so bleak and grey when playing him

[@luckycatyt635]

0:47 if that addon makes his snares work the old way, then they should make that addon also have the pallets work the old way. That way the addon would actually be useful.

[@feathero3]

I was hoping for this too. But apparently the Snare addon that makes them puddles again, gives you just 1 Snare, period.

[@John-rl1fv]

I agree with everything you have said in this video, I can't believe so many people are praising this as a great rework. It's extremely disappointing to me, and I started playing when they added Freddy. He is my favorite horror icon, I grew up watching his movies. They should play more with the "you can never tell if your really awake" part of him, and making dream pallets in random pallet spawns at the start could make it feel that way, and make them look like normal pallets... and not stun Freddy, because they are not really there! Also he should be able to cancel teleporting to gens, but not survivors healing, and it should only show the killer instinct of survivors being healed while they are asleep, so it doesn't work on downed survivors, because they are awake, regardless if the ones healing them are asleep or not.

[@averycolthan6439]

what if...they added a decent slow when you throw a dream pallet? (awake or just asleep) it might help with that extra distance they would have gotten from stunning you from.... your own power...

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

I personally think explosions while awake should put you to sleep and while asleep further pallet explosions can injure. It makes sense because it is Freddy after all.

[@hankerbanker6]

A step in the right direction, But so many needless thing added, Couple of changes he should get: 1. Dream pallets don't stun, It's so stupid that it does.. 2.Cannot teleport to survivors if they are being healed from downed to prevent slugging, and a a 3 second teleport immunity after picking up a downed survivor to prevent said tactic. 3.asleep survivors see dream pallets as normal pallet. 4.Cannot drop rapturing pallets. 5. revert snare slowdown from 12% back to 15% 6.getting hit by attack that would normally add to your sleep timer ends sleep immunity but doesn't put you to sleep. 7.survivors throwing down dream pallets add 30 seconds to sleep timer to prevent.

[@8BitSkorPO]

1 thing I would take away is the sleep immunity if you’re M1’d I feel like it should still work the way it does now where if it prevents your from falling asleep with his ability but still being able to be put asleep if he hits you with a basic attack. Or at least it canceling the sleep immunity and have the timer start regressing after hit with his basic attack. I honesty with that Freddy’s shares worked like the artist in a way where they stay stationary up until you activate the snare. It gives a lot more options when zoning and it would make his dream pallets a bit more strong. (As you can make a little set up to get the hit) I think that Freddy should also have his fake projections become active on all generators (if in case they don’t want him to cancel the fake teleport) this fixes that issue and in turn forces survivors to make a decision whether to stay or leave the gen (I feel like it should only work when survivors are asleep to balance that out) I think they should reduce the number of alarm(especially if they stay with this current build) and have it more dependent on your teammates waking you up. (Without giving them the penalty the live version has now where the more you do it the longer it takes to wake them up)

[@darkron288]

its funny how one fundamental change to the dream pallets made them so awful, remove the ability to get stunned by them and boom they are good again

[@theldapperapple2382]

Even then, the fact survivors can just destroy them while your away because they are so visible sucks

[@gxalcremieshiny4229]

Freddy: terrible killer *gets reworked into being usable* "OH MY GOD GUYS, THEY MADE HIM LITERALLY OP, S-TIER KILLER" I mean... from being a D-tier to the state he's in now, yea it's a massive improvement. but he's just... good now

[@epsoka]

Hope you've been well MintSkull! Always happy to see one of your videos pop in my notifications

[@verbatos9498]

I think the clocks are fine placement-wise, but should take longer to bring you out of the dreamworld (twice as long as snap/clap maybe?). I found it incredibly easy to wake myself and then make it to a loop, even while Freddy was withing LOS and currently walking towards me, just because of how fast the clock pulls you out.

[@chair2928]

Yes, thank you for talking about all the problems of the new Freddy, I've only seen people talking about how great he is. I just hope bhvr actually listens and doesn't just keep Freddy as is.

[@Frozt1417]

Freddy being map dependent isn’t a problem when you have killers like dredge hoping they get lockers around the map for rotation

[@GibsonGail]

in the dream world Dream pallets should cause deep wounds to injured survivors when thrown, and injure healthy survivors. That way, they affect survivors no matter what, and survivors may be able to stun Freddy but will pay a price for using the pallet. it could also be used strategically to gain a slight speed boost, as it could work like SM’s claw traps.

[@SmoothMaul]

I feel like the dream pallet stun not being mentioned in the dev notes means it's a bug. God I hope it's a bug.

[@ryannem1216]

It's intended, they said it during the live and got cooked.

[@SmoothMaul]

@@ryannem1216 I hope they remove it, it's such a dumb change

[@verbatos9498]

I don't think the pallets being able to stun you is too much of an issue. If a survivor is close enough to drop a pallet on you, you should just be able to detonate the pallet, or respect it and hit them. If a freddy is actually getting stunned by their own pallets they are doing something wrong.

[@ottooctavius9552]

King wolf is the definitive Freddy expert

[@magganboi1350]

Freddy tuah

[@FazeHaze76]

I do like that you can injurie survivors now with the dream pallets but otherwise they are kinda useless. I played against freddy today in the ptb and I didn’t realize till know that the dream pallets can be easily be seen as a fake. And also you get stunned by them which i think is dump i think it should be the same as old freddy were the pallet instantly breaks.

[@rm14hitman]

For Freddy, being mid is still a great improvement

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Scoot jund and the word "keeping it real" in the same sentence is so alien to me...

[@anderspedersen7046]

Hubris + enduring freddy boutta become the now noob stomper

[@rtristan8572]

And then I say it took BHVR literal YEARS for him to go from complete garbage to meh and I'm told that "You are tripping, how can he be meh if he gets free Nurse's and he(somehow) doesn't have to deal with pallets !1!"... The duality of this comunity.

[@Mimiro-m2g]

As someone who actually enjoyed playing freddy once in a while specifically because of dream pallets, they were extremely fun to play with and catching survivors off guard was one of my favorite dbd activities, new dream pallets just... suck? survivors can actually SEE them for some fucking reason??? they can actually stun you for some fucking reason??? and even using the damaging part of it is barely worth it since the range is barely enough to catch anyone and survivor can just...drop the pallet and it just won't do anything for some fucking reason... but yeah ig this is a peak rework cuz Freddy is now a projectile killer with teleports 👍

[@delgids]

i swear the devs don't actually test these reworks, the pallets are so fundamentally bad it makes me think they weren't tested at all.

[@ElConio]

I actually find the current Freddy fun to play despite him being weak and "boring", and this rework does a lot of things right, but there is absolutely nothing interesting about Freddy teleporting to asleep healing survivors. Not only because of slugging, but easy tunneling as well. Feels very annoying to have to wake yourself up before healing. Needs to be removed completely. I'd rather have the ability to fake teleports and not get stunned by dream pallets back.

[@ericbotondbatternay8452]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one upset with the dream pallet changes

[@tyharris856]

Atleast he’s better than he was

[@CreditR01]

I'm not expecting his match results to change much. He'll be a pub stomper with snare focus (maybe) but not much more than that. And that's fine, I don't want every single Killer to be high A-B tier. It's a serviceable rework, and no more stupid teleport faking. But the fact he can be stunned by his own pallets is dumb as hell.

[@601billionlazer]

this is pretty much how I felt after my two PTB games (one as Freddy and one against) but much more thoughtful. I’m very afraid of them not fixing the issues brought up in this video because the reception to Freddy feels generally too positive and they might think hes good enough and push him to live servers. I mained Freddy before this rework, and even though he was undeniably bad I had fun mindgaming survivors. Now it feels like he plays about the same as some other M1 killers, but he is still weaker.

[@misterm2590]

Here's some changes I would like before his release : - Dream pallets are now visible as normal pallets by sleeping survivors and are invisible to awake survivors. - Dream pallets can no longer stun freddy. - Freddy need to wait 7 seconds before using his teleport abilitie after he down a survivor (to prevent him from slugging too much). - Hitting a survivor immune by the alarm clock with a basic attack or a dream abilitie will cancel the immunity.

[@TotallyBolero]

dude i hope they rework an addon to make it so that the dream pallets cannot stun you at all but you cant detonate them. Because i liked the old version of the dream pallets better, or make it so the range of the detonation is bigger and make it so it detonates faster.

[@ZedrikVonKatmahl]

I like the dream pallets The reworked pallets take away everything that makes them cool

[@alicehazelprescott7651]

Name one other killer that can cancel a teleport

[@Mega_M01]

Can i finally, and safely say, that Freddy has skill, without getting stoned? :3

[@nathan3252]

I would question if you were stoned already by saying freddy has skill.

[@BasementDweller_]

The only thing I miss is no longer being able to cancel teleporting to generators. I had fun chase moments where I mind game survivors with fake teleporting. Also I wish Dream Pallets could look like real pallets and only be shown in the dream world. And make them not stun Freddy.

[@Arsov422]

They should allow feddy to turn a real pallet into a fake one, then have a cooldown for it.

[@quartzskull8772]

Unless the real pallet gets teleported elsewhere that would be insanely op

[@R1z1n_ttv]

I'm gonna be like Kira with the pallet explosion "killer queen has already touched the pallet"

[@dragonsni]

Here's my take on the dream clocks. They still keep you from passively falling asleep temporarily but the moment Freddy uses a Dream Snare/Pallet effect on the survivor in question the sleep immunity goes away, negating the sleep penalty for that Dream Snare/Pallet then the survivor is treated as not immune to sleep for any subsequent effects. This gives some counterplay to Freddy but not to such a high degree since the survivors won't be completely effected by dream snares/pallets right away but Freddy can still capitalize on hitting his abilities, even though it's still slower to get people back into dream world who are freshly awoken. Another change i'd like to see is the dream pallets only giving a minimal stun affect, like a mini enduring on those pallets, still giving survivors a way to get away but being more vulnerable because they failed to notice it's a dream pallet.

[@scorpx3790]

Well... at least now the horror icons finally got SOME attention

[@CaptToilet]

Bubba next?

[@scorpx3790]

@@CaptToilet bubba's fine. He could get buffs at best.

[@flaviojesus3821]

@@scorpx3790 Pig is the one who needs a rework XD, my poor Amanda has been in the dumpster for so long. Nerf the pig 🥲

[@scorpx3790]

@@flaviojesus3821 idk tbh. I like her as she is. Actually she should just get some of the nerfs reversed to feel better (lile inactive traps bopping at exit gates, lower tr and stuff. Keep in mind that she csnt see boxes anymore so i dont think its that big of an issue to force survivors into doing boxes before escaping)

[@blackthorns3778]

@flaviojesus3821 i’m a pig main and the only thing ive ever wanted is a faster base-kit ambush charge, it feels so slow and no add-ons help that! i know most pig players don’t like the ambush anyways, but i’ve always found it unique, and would like for them to change that

[@UncleDaniel]

kk now show us a video of you looping a good freddy and not getting hit by the pallet explosion once

[@xyp1n]

Correction, i think i saw somewhere that the 8 meter range after a tp actually asleeps survivors instead of revealing them im not sure tho

[@vinnie4609]

Imo the dream pallets should stay as they are now but additionally his explosive power could be placed anywhere like old snares.

[@that80ssongyoulove84]

As much as I think Scott Jund is a terrible person, he’s right.

[@ChillyChief612]

I think if we had dream gens that hold the survivor tethered to the gens, it would be a good trade-off from dream pallets. Any completed generators or personal set up can be turned into a dream gens and completed gens no longer shows aura to other survivor. Awake survivor cannot tell the diffrence between fake gens. Asleep survivor can see a difference within 3m of the gen. This can be combined with the teleport. This is countered by swf but everything is lol. Your thoughts?

[@heimrheljar]

Scott is 8”, truly the goat

[@mojo1176]

I've seen a lot of different creators and people on both twitter and the forums complain about the pallets being "bad" but you have to realize that now you have BOTH. snares and pallets are strong in their own ways now, but to not make pallets completely uncounterable they had to make them a little more obvious. And regarding the "using power in chase in completely useless" statement, freddy now has a addon that lets you TP to survivors who drop pallets, the same as teleporting to healing players.

[@MintSkull]

Using an addon to compensate for a power flaw is not good design personally, but I fully get the main point as I explained on the vid when comparing to Trapper. My issue is that you can completely ignore the Dream Pallets and at no point I felt hindered because of that, since Snares do everything I need!

[@mojo1176]

@@MintSkull Yeah i fully got the point of not really needing to use the pallets and i've had the same one. They're definitely more of a niche now than they were before, but i also feel like if they were more powerful it would be an absolute SQ stomper.

[@ZedrikVonKatmahl]

If the pallets are visible as such and they can stun Freddy, they are useless to what I use them for

[@FancyDakota]

@@MintSkull "Using an Add-On to compensate for a proper flaw is not good design" That's... the point of so many Add-On designs?

[@MintSkull]

@@FancyDakota And every single time they become basekit (Demogorgon, Legion, Ghost Face, Singularity) which is literally bad design, because everyone uses them always. Addons should be additions and stuff to do variety, not bandaid fixes for a killer's power.

[@zello4075]

an objective look at new freddy without shilling behavior? consider me subbed

[@shizumafus]

1:00 that was me and my friend (alpha and sigma bro i was alpha) cant believe me made it in a video lol

[@Mhutter41]

I can't do moving snares or switch between snares and pallets as base game, someone plz help

[@stanosbourne8825]

Delete DBD. It helped me a lot.

[@immunic]

its only on the ptb lil bro its not out yet

[@DustPunk]

I think a lot of the concerns regarding how Behavior might respond to the problems with Freddy right now really highlight the underlying issue of how Behavior approaches balancing killers in general. They seem so hesitant to experiment and test new ideas when it comes to adjusting killers, but super quick to apply big nerfs and treat the problem as solved because the pick rate goes down and takes the number of complaints with it. The rework has been ages in the making and even though I'm more happy with it than not, it feels undercooked for how long it's been in the works.

[@Cats4life556]

I can’t wait for the new Freddy, but I hope they don’t butchered him, because not only is he strong and healthy for the game and people are going to complain about him just like skully but it’s because it’s pointless to massively buffed a killer and massive nerfing them after that and people are still going to complain which is my problem and I will be piss if they nerf him back to D tier.

[@issacthekid]

I am so disappointed. First off the dream pallets are useless from the look of it. A lot of set up to make it work. And then the dream snares is just lazy... Uninspired. Its basically Clown, but extra steps. Its funny because Freddy could do so much more. Just like in the movies, he gets his power increased from fear. So why can't we go off that as far as his power? Simple, more fear, more abilities unlocked. Off the top I think of his stretchy arms, that could be used. He turns into a Freddy worm 😂 Shapeshifts, turns into a literal demon. But oh. Lets just make him throw some dream snares a few times to make him slowly fall asleep... How exciting. 😐 Honestly I would take back the first version of Freddy over this. Where he's invisible and all you hear is a lullaby, and no terror radius until they're asleep by Freddy's hand. And while you're awake, you see your teammates head hanging while they're falling asleep lol. THAT was inspired. Design flawed for sure, but at this point I'd rather them work off of that then what's going on here. (And this is ignoring that they're just going to nerf Freddy over and over again.)

[@DeadHardTV]

We are one step closer to turning Sharp Hand Joe into Freddy Krueger

[@ulyssessanchez2328]

I actually really appreciate this video and it's basically a great way to explain how I also feel about this 2 steps Foward 1 Step Back And were already 10 miles behind Idk I actually loved Origanal Freddy and Dream Pallets tbh Instead of building up having Another Restructure feels weird I will try him out again

[@thedreamer5049]

Freddy is super easy to fix here. Make dream pallets not so damn obvious, just make them like the currently dream pallets Allow teleport to be cancelable, and if thats too "OP", just make it an addon and boom Swap the power buttons so teleport isnt the same as the power swap button Remove the dream pallets being able to stun, you should not be getting stunned by a fake imaginary pallet. And for the crybabies who say "but if the pallet isnt obvious, you can abuse the explosion!" If you see freddy holding his hand up, avoid the pallet. You already do that with a ton of other killers. Like avoiding the Unknown when his tentacle is out, or watching out for huntress hatches, or clown bottles. And if you cry more because they have an audio cue, remember that the dream world is literally as bright as being on ormond. Look behind you.

[@LonkyBlonk]

i feel, although being a downgrade from his last power, freddy being stunned by his pallets works as both an accuracy to the source material, as well as a way to keep his players in check. firstly, its shown in the films that freddy can indeed be held back by things within the dream, allowing his victims even a moment of peace. the stunning adapts this in a way that can be incorporated into gameplay. second, freddy being stunned forces the player to be cautious when near pallets, as in not walking headfirst into them. they still keep their properties of instantly breaking, so theyre not underpowered. instead, stopping in front of the pallet before charging forward will cause the survivor to drop it too early, breaking it and allowing freddy the opening to strike. my point is, while different from his previous kit, it succeeds in balancing him in a way that can benefit both the survivor and the killer. overall, i quite like the rework.

[@cdxxlxil9159]

I think all they need to do to make Freddy better is to give the explosion a larger radius, increase the cooldown of alarm clocks, and make teleporting to exitgates and survivors doing cooperative actions while one is in the dream world base kit. Overall, a MASSIVE improvement and Freddy feels more like himself.

[@2bstiff584]

survivor can see dream pallets and they now stun Freddy is BS

[@CookiePanda]

Yes, why would Survs also get a counterplay. Always forget that it is DBD where only one side is allowed to have fun.

[@Midget.Muncher]

the pallets seem like demo's shred and pyramid heads punishment now. In the sense that you dont have to get hits using it, it just has to give you the opportunity to get an M1, players will see you use the power and then their minds get put into a trance that they have to do everything in their power to prevent you from hitting them using it, forgetting you can just M1 them. causing them to swerve against demo, ignore vaults against pyramid head, and now drop the pallet against freddy, which (if it doesnt stun you) gives you ample time to catch up/

[@sometechydude2324]

I kinda wish that his power was less effective at putting awake survivors to sleep but more effective at punishing asleep survivors, like maybe his dream snares were easier to avoid and/or gave less sleep progress, but survivors were passively hindered while asleep, making it harder to avoid his powers while also stacking with the dream snare’s hindered. Right now it feels like it barely matters if you start a chase awake or asleep because of how easily he can put you to sleep, which just, doesn’t feel right for me

[@sqrt-ts2xj]

Not a full fix but I think that if awake survivors could see the pallets but not interact with them unless they are asleep, and make it so that any time somebody drops the dream pallet they must struggle against the pallet taking a significant amount of time longer to drop the pallet, the pallets should explode faster, and Freddy should be able to explode them no matter what even if a survivor is actively trying to drop it. this way the only way to counter the pallets is to actively try to sleep in order to drop them outside of chase, or try to force an early explode during chase. Also yeah the pallets are kind of map dependent but I would say there isn't really a way around that because even if they did find some way where you could place pallets anywhere any survivor who has played for decent amount of time will know that there is something weird about that pallet instantly

[@hiyourerickrightimnegan.3788]

stoppeed watching when you said that no killer should have every add on be viable

[@MintSkull]

When did I say that? I am looking at my script and at no point I said no killer should have every addon be viable?

[@Videoverse1]

I watched the whole video slowed and he never said that ever lol

[@chazzerine7650]

I can't tell if this is the case or not, but I don't think survivors should get any visual indicator that Freddy is rupturing a dream pallet. No clenched fist hand movements, no pallet vibrations and blood splatter, just the explosion when it happens. This would be similar to Spirit's phase walk, where survivors don't see spirit waving her hands around when she's entering her power, all they see is her standing still. Also maybe buff the explosion radius and have the stun duration on Freddy be significantly reduced?

[@fghjrtzu2357]

A good solution for dream pallets would be to make them indifferent to real pallets. Also, the rupture detonation delay can be reduced to 0.2 seconds. There should also be no animation and if a survivor attempts to drop a rupturing pallet, they lose a health state. And of course, you don't get stunned by dream pallets. Yeah, that sounds good.

[@Butterwinkle]

Remove the fake pallet stun. Sleeping survivors do not get to see what is a fake pallet. Make arming a fake pallet quicker or have a much larger explosion range. Bring back personal clocks but make it so you can use any clock but if you don't use your own one Freddy can teleport to you like with healing but his cool down after doing so is much longer. Bring in Robert Englund to voice a legendary/classic skin for him along with promotional material available in game in the front menu that has him explaining his powers. After next patch, move it to his character screen and start doing this for each killer with either themself or a survivor/character from their franchise explaining the powers and make players aware of these videos via the onboarding/tutorial process.

[@vichoe4589]

my problem with the freddy rework is that it was so advertised as a rework but it feels more like a big buff, which isn't BAD but I expected a bigger shift on his power

[@Freakbydaylightt]

I'll miss watching the survivors attempt a pallet save on me just for it to be a dream pallet.. why did they change that

[@DaikoruArtwin]

I don't feel like dream pallets are useless against strong players. It might be more difficult to use properly, but the thing is that it still creates a dangerous path. With a well-timed explosion, survivors looking to traverse the pallet are forced to take the explosion, stop for a bit, or switch pathing, all of which would force a hit where otherwise the survivor could have made it in time to the window standing behind. So at high level play, I feel like survivors might actually try to avoid dream pallets altogether and take suboptimal pathing. And if you can break god pallets, that makes it so much more difficult to navigate around while being chased.

[@vladspellbinder]

As someone who really enjoys playing pallet Freddy I was so excited to see them go base-kit. I should have known better. The devs totally fucked it up like they are want to do. I said it the first time I heard it and I will keep saying it; being able to teleport to healing Survivors is too much and should be removed. It doesn't matter it's only while they're asleep, it shouldn't be a thing ever. And if they remove that then maybe the clocks can be changed back to how it was or made better for Freddy, like a lower immunity time or maybe even have it so the immunity time decreases with each use so they can't just be spammed like the "Wake Up" action gets longer to perform for each time it is done.. Thanks for the video.

[@mohammadzaman7050]

Yes, he finally uploaded. Ik it's gonna be a good day.

[@papaswizz2571]

She freddy on my nightmare till I rework

[@overtank0797]

In my opinion they should increase the time it takes a survivor to passively sleep, but in exchange reduce the inmunity duration or getting hit by snares or fake palets instead of making you fall sleep faster if you have inmunity it reduces the duration of that inmunity. As for fake pallets they should be like doctor's for people outside the dreamworld they can see they are fake (survivor that are sleep cannot see the difference, but pallets shake and turn red before exploding like now) if they're close but if they get to close they just dissapear or can't interact with them, but they also can't get hit by the pallet explosion but being near them makes the timer of inmunity and sleep timer advance twice as fast. For the healing teleport they should make a visual indicator that they are being revealed like hearing whispers maybe or something I dunno and make freddy appear maybe 1 or 2 meters farther allowing to increase the detecting range for the teleport to 10 meters, other fix for the not revealing part of the freddy kit is that the reveal start as soon as you start teleporting and last enough that when you finish teleporting there are 2 seconds of killer instict remaining. Maybe my opinion of changes would feel to OP and they could've been made better but this is what I thought Edit: I later found out that you already have a visual indicator when freddy can teleport to you, that being smoke in your characters feet

[@DeandreKey]

As he stands right now, I think this rework would only rise him from F tier to D or C once survivors adapted to him. But As long as the survivors lose all the visual indicators they currently get from fake pallets in the PTB and the devs put the clocks on a far longer cooldown, this would be a very good rework in my opinion. If they also gave him back the multiplier on the “snap snap clap clap” interaction he would probably be my new main ❤

[@Waheed1991]

I would like to objectively say "JCglitchmaster" has covered this and he is also stated the rework has to many flaws. Id suggest watching his video before declaring Jund is the only one.

[@gunmanpapaco306]

Freddy would me less clunckier if they used the spellbook mechanic of Vecna for him being able to choose which power use in a more slim way

[@kyuubisgirl3232]

It seems like there's no reason to use pallets now. The timer to explode them seems kind of long considering if a survivor is just barely in range to see it's fake has ample time to avoid it in most situations.