Minute Magic: Combat Secrets

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[@dannydoomno1]

More importantly "An amount of damage that's greater than a creature's lethal damage may be assigned to it."

[@lumioak3260]

Doesn't the attacker assign damage unless they have Banding?

[@andrewi.crocker8675]

So if I swing with a 6/6 with trample, and my opponent blocks with three 2/2 monsters, I could assign 2 damage to the first monster, then do 4 trample damage without damaging the other blockers?!

[@sanksquatch7487]

​@@andrewi.crocker8675no

[@demonkingt]

"702.19b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage," Doesnt work

[@elijahwilliams6977]

Protip: if you want to get people with this on Arena, turn off "auto assign combat damage" in the settings

[@OKBrooksy]

Goated comment thank you

[@d3ofol]

Best top comment of all time.

[@MadisonM1996]

💯. Also, there's an option called "auto complete stack." Or something like that. I turned that off too.

[@wademiller2376]

I had no idea... good tip

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Thank you for adding this

[@TuberTugger]

This is that moment when you ping yourself with your devils out of shame.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

😆😆😆

[@w0e.666]

It is still a win, you exchange 5 trampled damage to your face for one 1/1 token , plus you ping opponent.

[@mcbescheiden725]

Yeah but getting Ride of the dreadmaw would BE a lot better

[@bradensorensen966]

@@mcbescheiden725 duh, but he doesn’t have that option. The defender can either take 6 with no blocks, take 5 and lose a devil, or take 4 and lose two devils. Taking no damage and losing 2 devils is better than all of these-depending on how much life he has left.

[@maxschwitzer9390]

@@bradensorensen966 I think that you're missing that he's able to kill the dreadmaw with the pings, that's what he's going for. Now he's still got his 6/6, and the opponent is down two tokens. If he only blocked with some of them, he'd have just done the trample, but it still works, and this way lets us see the interesting rule interaction.

[@cunkleandcalzone]

Was a relevant interaction when grixis death shadow was the best deck in modern, assign 5 damage to the 2/2 death shadow so it doesn't live when you trample to their face

[@seandun7083]

And one that Gandalf's sanction can't do.

[@siltyroach1584]

Trample is underated its a very elegant keyword imo it just works the way that makes the most sense

[@xXYourShadowDaniXx]

IMO they need to add a keyword for ETB, like "Hail" or "Summon" or something. EG: Loran of the Third Path When Loran of the Third Path is Hailed, destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment.

[@rayzeckz4573]

trample+death touch+first strike = chef's kiss

[@RealBagels]

@@xXYourShadowDaniXxNah

[@mramisuzuki6962]

@@rayzeckz4573 You only need to assign 1 damage while FS likely makes less messy you then assign all excess damage to any other legal target.

[@AximVidya]

@@xXYourShadowDaniXx yea they could even call it battlecry like in the much better game that they stole the idea from

[@ruki25]

The mental image of a trex attacking and three little imps charging at it to kill it and they all get some good stabbing in, but then the trex accidentally kills one but then focuses down one l vehemently. Just brutally stomping it out and forgetting the last one somehow to let it live and it awkwardly slips away.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

That last one got the hell outta there!

[@DanDLion222]

Lmao my hi ass goin whats a trex? Sounds like a bike .. pohhh T Rex lololol😂

[@Futureguitarist15]

I love imagining scenarios like this. When I first started playing in 2012 I had a mono white angels/lifegain deck and used cathedral sanctifier which is just a 1/1 that ETBs to gain 3 life. My friends had much stronger decks so I'd chump block something like a sundering titan and we'd joke about this little nun running up to this metal behemoth and bonking it with her staff just for the titan to look down at her and just obliterate her out of existence 😂

[@Kishimyu]

Been playing since 2014 and didn't know this until now! Thanks fam.

[@Playingwithproxies]

It’s super super rare that you wouldn’t want to kill as many creatures as possible with your damage this is just one case that might happen.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Could be relevant against a Gishath deck and you don't want to trigger multiple enrage triggers, but yeah pretty niche.

[@Playingwithproxies]

@@keepingitcasualmtg also relevant if your opponent controls a blocking [Shaman en-Kor] if they activate the shaman to only prevent death your opponent can over assign damage to still kill it. Assuming they have the power to do so.

[@brandonbennett6251]

@@PlayingwithproxiesI just had this recently happen with stuffy bear and menace. Just assign all damage to anything but stuffy bear.

[@treyroberts8124]

​@Playingwithproxies it becomes much less rare when your buddy runs 2 or 3 different devil, demon, imp decks 😂

[@DOLOTread]

Realistically blocking with all three was still the best move,prevents trample, he keeps one and his giant is still weak until end of turn

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

That could be true! Fair point!

[@CrypticBore]

Yea one sac out let for the last gobo and dreadmaw goes buhbye

[@deadNdivine12]

Colossal dreadmaw!? That card is insane 6/6 for six mana.. and trample! Whoa.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

They should reprint it every set

[@neftaherrera5540]

*Cries in Terrastomper*

[@pknepps]

I quit years ago because wizards refused to ban this card.

[@thebrewsky26]

If you want a spicy modern example. Primeval Titan from amulet attacking into a deaths shadow, trample making shadow survive at certain life totals while state based actions are checked allowing a lethal crackback. The amulet deck has option to over kill the deaths shadow to trade (if op at 7 and assuming slayers stronghold pump). Then even spicier, op at 11, assign 4 to shadow and 2 to op for optimal post state based check lethal on shadow

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Death's Shadow vs trample is always such a interesting and weird case of why you might want to over assign damage

[@jakubkoper3399]

Wow, this is actually a really cool interaction that I've never thought about and I'm a person who loves reading into the minutiae of MTG rules to squeeze out small advantages. I wonder how many times I have misplayed due to being unaware. Not anymore. Thanks dude!

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Glad it helped!

[@Méabhy_gaming]

In a commander game i once swung into my opponents Brash Taunter with a massive trampler assigning all the damage to it so that they could redirect all the damage onto a third player who was playing at being archenemy, for lethal. Forgot why i couldn't just swing into them but had to explain to the table at least twice that this was a valid play XD

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Haha nice play! Maybe a ghostly prison?

[@tamo3329]

Blockers in the way?

[@Méabhy_gaming]

@@tamo3329 don't recall; AE was either pillow-forting or had a big spooky lifelink body or something having made this the the most viable play. Game was a good ~2ish years ago at this point so don't really remember the specifics beyond the interesting bit

[@scottlemiere2024]

According to WOTC you can choose not to do damage to the third, but your creature still takes all the damage from the blockers.

[@Playingwithproxies]

Yeah not the damage that devils do when they die tho which is what he prevented.

[@reidf10]

False according to wotc rule 702.19b. You have assigned Lethal damage to all blocking creatures because the creature has trample. If a creature doesn’t have trample then you can assign damage to two of blocking creatures and sign no damage to the third creature.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

702.19b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any excess damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player, planeswalker, or battle the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that’s being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that’s actually dealt. The attacking creature’s controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can’t assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it’s attacking. This is talking about that when you're assigning damage if there is excess damage it's dealt to the player, but it never says you MUST assign lethal to each creature, just that each creature MUST have lethal assigned in order to deal the trample damage. You can choose not to trample if you want to over assign damage to a creature. In fact the very last line of that ruling is exactly what this video is talking about.

[@jemm113]

@@keepingitcasualmtg does this rule say that if you have a damage increaser, like Torbran, you have to effectively waste combat damage on each creature to trample damage to the opponent? Say I swing with a red trample 6/6 and have Torbran out and a 3/3 blocks it, I have to assign 3 of my creatures original combat damage BEFORE accounting for Torbran’s +2 to damage to trample over? That then only leaves me with 3 + 2 damage to face! I have to waste 2 damage?!? Please tell me there’s another relevant rule for this…

[@colexian]

@@jemm113 Sorry mate, rule 510.1c ruins what you are trying to do here. You have to assign lethal damage before any replacement effects can happen. You will always deal "overdamage" and can't account for the additional damage when assigning lethal damage to blockers. However, a neat trick happens with trample+deathtouch where you only need to assign 1 damage to each blocker to fulfill the "lethal damage" clause, resulting in X-Y trample damage where X is the power of the creature, and Y is the number of blockers. So a 10/10 with trample and deathtouch blocked by two 5/5s can deal 1 damage to each and 8 to the face.

[@TheBorzoi]

I also people get deathtouch and trample wrong, not knowing that you only need to assign 1 then can trample the rest over if you want. You don't have to assign enough to hit the toughness of the creature if you don't want to since 1 is enough to kill when they have deathtouch.

[@brenttotland3704]

I can relate, early in my EDH experience, I ran a Golgari deck with Glissa, The Traitor at the helm. There were SOOOO many salty tears that fell upon the battlefield when they learned putting a big Fatty blocker only needed 1 damage before the commander damage was on its way. Especially when she was all equipped up with Swords/enchantments to pump her up.

[@TappyMcTapNsac]

Nice video! Creative, clever and informative. Awesome work KiC!

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Thank you!

[@Case2_0]

I love the squirrel riding a frog playmat. It was my first

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It's a great one!

[@Futureguitarist15]

Learned this trick with trample and deathtouch interactions. Trample just says you have to assigned at least lethal damage. With deathtouch, lethal damage is considered 1. So regardless of toughness of the blocking creature, if your attacking creature has trample and deathtouch it only has to deal 1 damage to each blocker and the rest can go through to the opponent.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Such a classic trick!

[@Trashmanttv]

Incorrect, you would need first strike for death touch take effect first. If you have a 3/3 blocking a 6/6 with trample all damage has to be resolved before death touch damage is resolved. First strike is the only way to do this

[@simonteesdale9752]

This was actually relevant in modern a while back, with Temur Battle Rage vs Vengeful Pharoah. If your dredge opponent had a Vengeful Pharoah in their graveyard, you'd sometimes need to overassign the first strike damage to avoid the Pharoah trigger, then fully trample the normal damage.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

That's a pretty interesting situation!

[@sollmoll]

I mean if your opponent has 3 life left and you are in lethal range as well, you can really only do this as it prevents your opponent from assigning trample dmg to you, giving you one more turn to deal with this

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

To be clear the lethal was referring to the dreadmaw not the player.

[@sollmoll]

@@keepingitcasualmtg ohhhhh ok yea that does change stuff.

[@breakingblackmagic7617]

never seen this happen in the wild... but I'm super glad to know this now THANKS ALOT!!. knowledge is POWER>

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Sometimes it'll save you in a really niche scenario

[@kelmirosue3251]

This is actually a neat trick! Thanks for sharing

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Go forth and show it off to your foes!

[@legomann9092]

I actually used this trick to win a game once and it was thanks to this video that I knew i could do it.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

That’s awesome I’m so glad this actually came up for you!

[@sleepyppl4286]

this is why i always ask people if their blockers have death triggers

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

and reach

[@comedycorpse9768]

I learned about the Banding mechanic the other day. Timber wolves is now a key part of my Tovolar deck, it is a get out of jail card

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

😂😂 Glad banding is making a come back

[@comedycorpse9768]

@@keepingitcasualmtg my friends like big tramplers. Thry're gonna hate this tiny 1/1 🤣 AND !its on theme with werewolves.

[@MrMartinSchou]

And this is why Banding is the best ability.

[@jacobrowe469]

I never knew I could do this! I'ma whip this out the next time I play EDH with the boys, they won't believe this is a thing and they'll be tilted when I show them this lmaooo

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Go forth and use your new powers!

[@fafflerproductions]

Song is a remix of "Fukashigi no Carte" which is the ending song to a great anime called "Bunny girl senpai" (yes weird name, but amazing show)

[@brandonligeti3909]

I tried doing this in a sealed event, and the judge at the event said that I couldn’t do that. I lost the match because of that

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Ooh you might want to show them the rulings in the description. You're allowed to overassign damage.

[@nikolibarastov4487]

​@keepingit.casua But you must assign lethal damage to all blocking creatures before assigning damage to a player or Planeswalker, 702.18b

[@anthonyferguson9282]

I used this to avoid some sort of repercussions a few years ago during a prerelease, opponent called a judge, and I had up find the ruling myself because the judge didn't know I could assign more damage than the defending creatures' toughness.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Sometimes judges can miss things

[@mikelrose9685]

This feels like an arena cheat code

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

The cheats are in the settings

[@Robbie-t4o]

I'm pretty sure there's an unwritten rule in magic (non tournament) where if something like this happens due to a rule a player didn't know about you get at least one free rewind meaning you can simply have a redue as long as nothing from the hand was revealed

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

For sure if I were to do this in a casual game I'd totally let the person be aware of what I could do before they continue

[@RedEyesBlackDragon0]

And this is why I love Banding. Banding lets the controller of the band assign damage, regardless of who is attacking.

[@Kakwann]

i knew about this... and completly forgot about this. i would have done the same thing as the white hat guy. Magic is a hard game.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

There's a lot to keep in mind in a game of magic

[@TheLegend-oy2sg]

Don’t forget that creature can only deal damage while blocking if the creature ahead of it, so if the first devil took all 6 damage the dinosaur would only take 2 combat damage and 1 effect damage as the last devil can’t assign block damage

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

All the devils would deal their combat damage back to the dreadmaw regardless of whether they were dealt damage or not, but only the ones that died would trigger

[@dreamlogic681]

i knew this one because i learnt magic by playing vintage with my dad, so he knew all the OG rules. need i mention....BANDING???????

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Oh I’ve got a video on that one!

[@dreamlogic681]

@@keepingitcasualmtg link?

[@kingofbudokai]

You'd be amazed at how many people get caught out by small thing like this. I always find it hilarious when someone dies to Trample+Deathtouch. They sit there doing the math of how much toughness they need to put in front of it to absorb damage and stay alive, only to be shocked when only 1 damage has to be assigned to their 2/5 and they die anyway lol.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Lots of nuance to mtg that can really help change the outcome of a situation if you know how to utilize it

[@timtauber5557]

Unless the green player has another blocker he dies on the crackback

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

When the player was referring to lethal, they meant on the Dreadmaw

[@iota7037]

my little angel is always late for the most important choices

[@jedstanaland2897]

You could also have over damaged the first one to online kill one devil thus you would be left with two life making it just a bit harder for you to be killed. For example if the devil tokens all read when it dies it deals one damage to any targets that would mean that you are only a shock or chain lightning or any number of two or three damage one mana spells. However if the devils or at least one read damage equal to their power then what might be best if possible is to boost the power of the important devil as high as possible to result in a kill if possible.

[@refundreplay]

Yo! I have the same playmat! Squirrel w/battle aze riding a toad!any idea what its from?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

No idea, but I feel I've seen a few folks with it. I got it from attending a prerelease a looong time ago.

[@toze2145]

Playing with Reidane//Valkmira, helped me learn this one

[@HexForger]

In that scenario, all 3 blockers deal damage (3 combat + 2 from dying triggered effect) back to attacker, right? Or do only 2 of them deal damage (the two, that attacker dealt combat damage to). Thanks

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Even though the 3rd blocker wasn't assigned any damage it still deals damage back to the attacker.

[@Algernir]

I have that same squirrel rider playmat! It’s great.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It's a fun one!

[@DominguezFishing]

Where in the rule book can I find that it specifically says you can over assign damage? I can't find it, why couldn't you just over assign damage to one target and still get trample?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Relevant CR 510.1c "This may allow the blocked creature to divide its combat damage" It doesn't specify each blocking creature MUST be assigned damage, just each creature preceding each blocker must have at least lethal assigned before it can be assigned damage.

[@StudioCoqui]

Okay, I've been reading the comments and the video didn't make clear what happened in this scenario for most viewers. The 3 devils are 1/1 creatures and they an ability that deals 1 additional damage when they die. The Dreadmaw is 6/6 Trample which is a 'You May' ability. So what happened here is this. If you split the Dreadmaws' damage to each Devil and they all die, each Devil will deal 3 damage for their 1 Power plus 1 additional damage each for their ability for a total of 6 damage which will kill the Dreadmaw because it has 6 Toughness. By over assigning the second Devil and not kill the third Devil, each of the 3 Devils did their 1 Power damage for 3 damage and the 2 Devils that died dealt their 1 additional damage for an overall total of 5 damage. The 3rd Devils' ability does not activate because it did not die. The Dreadmaw lives because it has 1 toughness left. And because the 3rd Devil did not receive lethal damage, Trample does not activate, because you have to do lethal damage to ALL blocking as the requirement to trigger Tramples' effect. Hence why Banding is awesome. Hope this helps.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Thank you for the clarification. I think that'll help more players understand

[@StudioCoqui]

No Problem. Keep dropping more these videos, they are really helpful with the nuances of Magic.@@keepingitcasualmtg

[@orange-10897]

This just made Craterhoof 10 times scarier

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Oh the trample isn't necessary to do this! Any creature can pull this off!

[@TheGoldenHorncall]

Overassigning is one of my favorite plays you can make

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It’s an under utilized one

[@playwithdomination9238]

Funny thing is with trample and one blocking creature, that you manually can deal excess damage to that creature if you want to for certain effects and do less or no trample damage at all

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Very relevant against Deaths’ Shadow

[@Parkourjumper1]

Does this only work on trample or with every creature? If youve had no trample, can you assign all dmg to the first devil so that your creature doesent die?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yup trample is irrelevant in this scenario any creature can do this

[@Parkourjumper1]

Crazy@@keepingitcasualmtg

[@noahdapp8423]

Can you do this without trample. Like if I have a 5/5 and swing at a guy with a 3/3 and 2/2. Can I choose to only assign damage to the 3/3? And keep my 5/5.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

All creatures will deal all their damage to something. If you assign it all to the 3/3 the 3/3 and the 2/2 still deal their damage back to the 5/5.

[@noahdapp8423]

@keepingit.casual But with trample they don't all hit back? I don't understand 😕

[@M.622-q7r]

Thought I understood but after reading the comments I’m confused again lol

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Basically any creature can over-assign combat damage to a creature that is blocking your creature. You do not have to deal damage to each creature

[@Gurmudgin]

See this, this is why you just lightning bolt the dreadmaw. Not any of this devil on death shenanigans.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

True

[@SammmmTa]

you activated my nibiru! .. wait wrong game

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

😆 yugioh?

[@SammmmTa]

@@keepingitcasualmtg ye

[@morgandusin2401]

♫ Katarenai nemurenai toroimerai Anata no miteru shoutai Daremo yomenai karute Fukashigi shiritai dake...♫

[@joshuamartin2069]

What's the name of the song?

[@morgandusin2401]

@@joshuamartin2069 Fukashigi no Carte. it's a Japanese song. I don't know which remix this is though.

[@maddoxXL101]

Wasnt blocking with all three still the best move since all damage was absorbed and a devil lived? Rather than blocking with 2 and taking the 4 dmage and still loose 2 devils?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Depends on scenario. Life totals/ board states. Could see a scenario where no blocks could be the better move

[@Jacksonmoyer7]

Can you still assign it like this if the creature doesn’t have trample

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yup!

[@baconthegatewaymeat9131]

@@keepingitcasualmtgso if i have a 3/3 first strike deathtouch and they block with 3 2/2 i can kill all 3?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

That is correct!

[@derrickwarner1]

So, banding can “turn off” trample?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Banding is tramples worst nightmare

[@fumbles176]

would it still take the 1 blocker damage from the 3rd devil being declared as a blocker? Even though you arent doing damage to it with dread maw?

[@sy-py]

It would take 3 damage from blocking and 2 from 2 dead devil triggers

[@koanos2448]

Is that "Fukashigi no Karte" from "Rascal does not Dream of Bunny Senpai?"

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Um maybe? lol I just liked how it sounded.

[@koanos2448]

@@keepingitcasualmtgI like it!

[@topsofwow]

damn would be so good against phyrexian obliterator if I knew this.

[@louismishev4366]

I’m confused, why does he miss out on trample damage if excess damage was dealt to the second blocker?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Since all the damage was assigned to the second blocker, no extra damage was left over. It went all to the blocker. Excess damage is when after you've assigned all your combat damage to each creature blocking whatever is left over is considered excess.

[@louismishev4366]

@@keepingitcasualmtg thanks man, appreciate it🤝🏼🤝🏼

[@supertrouperJC02]

Then the remaining devil swings back for lethal

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

But I'm not near lethal life!

[@owenmeany6482]

Is this only the case with trample or can I assign damage to ordered blockers regardless of keywords? And would your trample creature still take 3 combat damage from the 1/1's even though you didn't assign damage to the last one?

[@allencook9920]

Hi, any creature with or without trample may choose to overassign combat damage, Rule 510.1 has some more info on this. And yes, the blocking creature would still deal its damage to the attacking creature even if it was assigned no damage by the attacker :)

[@owenmeany6482]

@@allencook9920 thanks so much!

[@Eramiserasmus]

I respect this reminder that Trample can let you do things like that.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It's an option, but trample isn't necessary for this interaction either.

[@JB-ow9kt]

Best Kronk impression ever 😂😂!!

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Wasn't intentional, but I can see it!

[@liamcivil5978]

Hilariously those little devils become small nukes in my Ghyrson starn, kelermorph deck . In short he turns 1’s into lightning bolts(3), those devils are now basically 6/1 with their ability

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Ghyrson standing up for the little guys.

[@GothamKnight-hsw4vx526430]

Angel guy was SLIPPING lol

[@flameofmage1099]

Going to Magic in half and hour, hoping this comes up lol

[@Playingwithproxies]

It’s very rare did it come up.

[@flameofmage1099]

@@Playingwithproxies No :(

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Perhaps you can play against dinosaurs and get a gang block going!

[@JustsomeMTGplayer]

I never thought about this but it’s great and a great video to

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Thank you!

[@almostahamburger7507]

Wait but shouldn't you still block with all 3? Unless I'm missing something the outcome with 2 blocks is the same but you take the Trample damage

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

You are not taking trample damage. The player assigned 1 damage to the first blocker, 5 to the second, and 0 to the third. Since all that damage has been allocated some where there isn't any excess damage so you'll have no extra damage to trample with.

[@almostahamburger7507]

@@keepingitcasualmtg right, but in the video blocking with all 3 is framed as a bad idea. Is there something I'm missing?

[@joshoa90210]

Does this also apply for an attacking creature without trample?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yes it does!

[@jjfj1902]

So does the third token do any damage at all cause it blocked without using its ability.

[@jamessherman3749]

Yes. All 3 blockers would deal damage. But, since only 2 devils died, only 2 death triggers for a total of 5 damage possible

[@pipozdenko]

Does this only work if the attacking creature has trample?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Nope!

[@smileygoldfish]

Say that to my banding creature. Yeah, that’s right I play banding.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

You win

[@thriftypsgr]

Does this work with any creature that is being blocked by multiple creatures?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yup!

[@morekiemadness222]

"Where's the other guy?" We all feel like that sometimes

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

😆 may the other guy find you all a bit more in the future

[@TheMitchellExpress]

What rule is this? I just read the combat rules and didnt see this. I need to be able to cite this for my pod

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

CR 510.1c "This may allow the blocked creature to divide its combat damage" It doesn't specify each blocking creature MUST be assigned damage, just each creature preceding each blocker must have at least lethal assigned before it can be assigned damage.

[@TheMitchellExpress]

@@keepingitcasualmtg 🔥🔥🔥

[@jiraiYT]

Theres never "the other guy" 😂

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

They need to fire him already

[@wafflehat7369]

if only those devils were banded together...

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Banding op

[@Avarter123]

This is actually useful 💪

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Glad I could help!

[@evandurham8908]

Devils like to be followed by some instants, so be careful with this. The real weird part here is that the green player is only swinging with one big guy.

[@magnusberge]

Bene playing magic for 10 years, i had no idea

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Always something to learn in this game!

[@ophis0]

Does this work even if the attacking creature doesn't have trample?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yup!

[@SimpleVisionVideos]

Is the ability to 'over-assign' damage specific to trample rules or combat damage with multiple blockers in general? It sounds like the latter.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Trample is not necessary to overassign.

[@jracelmt]

Can you do this in Arena?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

You have to change it in settings

[@kodyotter7598]

but... doesnt the last devil just attack for lethal?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

To clarify the devils would ping the dreadmaw for lethal

[@kodyotter7598]

ahhh gotcha! nice. i was definitely feeling dumb like i was missing something lol@@keepingitcasualmtg

[@shanesmith5027]

How does 3 1/1s even assign lethal to a 6/6? They at most do 1 correct? I’m confused

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

They have death triggers

[@XanderKuro]

Not lethal to the Dreadmaw, lethal to the Dreadmaw's controller, he must only be on 3 life.

[@SuperPoochootrain]

3 damage from the 1/1s and most devil tokens have "when this creature dies, deal 1 damage to any targets."

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

The video was referring "lethal" as lethal to the Dreadmaw not the player. lol I understand the wording was confusing.

[@thejuggernautofspades9453]

Hahah Did this against a phyrex Obby and delt 31 to the other creature, ignoring the sac eff for not hitting him

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Nice!

[@Smilkma]

Trample and deathtouch are a match made in heaven except for this instance lol

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Makes deathtouch a bit useless in this situation, but you’re still free to overassign

[@Smilkma]

@@keepingitcasualmtgI was thinking along the lines of 1 toughness but that’s just the deathtouch talking lol

[@JLKaizen]

Angel got caught lackin

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

😆😆

[@Aldissimo90]

Can you explain why the trample is negated even if excess damage was dealt to the second creature?

[@MLMBProductions]

I can! So when assigning damage, You must assign as much damage as needed to kill the creature. In this case one each. However, you are allowed to overkill creatures (this is relevant for a lot of effects) and when having multiple blockers, you can decide where that overkill damage goes, or if you want to assign any damage at all to one (you must assign all the damage you have available though) Trample affects this equation by adding the player as the last available place to assign damage, once all blockers have been assigned lethal damage. Trample doesnt really matter in this video because the third blocking devil never gets damaged assigned.

[@Playingwithproxies]

Because if you could trample over just a single blocker when multiple creatures block trample would be even more busted than it already is.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

In order to have excess damage each creature must have at least lethal damage assigned to them and left overs are considered excess. In this scenario all of the damage was assigned to the 2nd devil. So rather than doing 1dmg to each devil leaving 3dmg excess we did 1dmg, 5dmg, 0dmg leaving no excess and not having anything to trample

[@Aldissimo90]

@@keepingitcasualmtg amazing, thanks for this explanation!

[@chazmanious]

😮 man. I both love and hate Magic for its complexity.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It's the greatest feature and biggest weakness

[@lordpepper6932]

Is this only with Trample I assume?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Nope! Any creature can do this

[@22TheJuggernaut]

Do you have to trample? I thought you could assign any amount of damage meaning you can pump all into 1 devil?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

You don’t have to trample, in fact if you’re putting it all into one devil you’re giving up that you are able to trample since there won’t be excess damage

[@Playingwithproxies]

My question. Is there any priority passed after damage has been assigned but before damage is dealt to actually respond to the proposed damage.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Nope once damage has been assigned we go straight to dealing it so you'll have to respond before.

[@Playingwithproxies]

@@keepingitcasualmtg so [shaman en-kor] gets no additional opportunity to prevent over assigned damage assuming the player only activated it to prevent evenly split damage.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Shaman would have to be activated pre-emptively before we assign damage. Once we start assignments then it's too late to activate the Shaman.

[@ThePestilentDefiler]

Cool trick! I had no idea.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Glad you learned something!

[@nikolibarastov4487]

To trample through, you must assign Lethal Damage to each blocking creature before calculating Trample Damage.

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Correct

[@albertlofling7310]

If trample would have gone through id be mad but if it doesn't its reasonable if a bit tedious for swarm decks

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Can't make it that OP

[@willomalley7619]

So in this case you trade trample damage for killing 2 of 3 devils and presumably your dreadmaw takes 4 after combat and devil triggers?

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

It would take up to 5, that third devil isn't just gonna stand by and decide not to hit back! so 3 from blocks and presumably it could take 2 from triggers, but those might be better spent to the face.

[@stroodlepup]

Is this possible in arena though

[@keepingitcasualmtg]

Yup! Check your settings!