Miracle of Lanciano | Konnor - KS | Atheist Experience 22.50

[@CausalityLoop]

"Do my unverified anecdotes reported by people who already believe convince you there is a God?" -Konnor

[@ConcealedCourier]

Lol ikr he is shameless.

[@barryretmanski4763]

Let me make a wild guess, no peer reviewed study will be forthcoming! Just a crazy stab in the dark... How can anyone believe this crap? I feel so sorry for this kid... :(

[@oscargordon]

What percentage of medical doctors in Italy are Catholics? What percentage of research institutions/hospitals in Italy are sponsored by the Catholic Church. I'm betting if there was an actual study done by an actual doctor that he was a true blue Catholic that already firmly believed in these sorts of miracles.

[@ConcealedCourier]

I think it's a safe bet that reliquary is gonna stay sealed after Watson&Krick.

[@dolnick7]

I don't feel sorry for him; as soon as he's old enough, he'll vote.

[@joulian]

This is a miracle from the 8th century Tests were made by the church with personel of the church asisted and paid for by the church. The flesh defies science but no one can test the remains. This could advance science but church doesn't allow anyone near it.

[@richiejohnson]

@@dolnick7 dead-on Don't forget that, Ever

[@gwayne64]

I just LOVE John's deadpan replies!! Priceless. Caller " the flesh is alive" John " but if it's mummified?"

[@marinaproger2324]

One can almost hear his train of thought... it's said Wtf???

[@Ebiru2387]

Caller: Here are a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. What do you think about that? John: These are just claims. I want evidence. Caller: Ok, let me make some more unsubstantiated claims!

[@louisbarrow4671]

What's wrong with making claims???

[@Ebiru2387]

@@louisbarrow4671 When there is no demonstrable evidence then those claims are worthless.

[@louisbarrow4671]

@@Ebiru2387 So you saying I can't just make up more claims?? You racist against claim makers??

[@Ebiru2387]

@@louisbarrow4671 Make whatever claims you wish. But if you don't have evidence to support them then don't expect them to be taken seriously.

[@louisbarrow4671]

@@Ebiru2387 I can breathe fire and fly without the assistance of technology and raise people from the dead!

[@helaura13]

The fact hardly anyone knows about this or it has changed science as we know it tells me all I need to know. Also 1970’s biology knowledge is VERY different to what we know now. I went to university in 1998 and again in 2017 and the differences in even some of the basic cell biology and testing methods were huge.

[@grantwing4942]

Shroud of Turin was dated to medieval times last I read

[@davewilliams5102]

It was! Did not fit in with the Bible so they said they used a "patch" on the Shroud. It happens every time.

[@necromancergourmet]

My mom claims carbon dating is fake to preserve her BS

[@donbacker9883]

I was chatting with my new neighbor who just moved in across the street. He mentioned his church a few times, then asked me, "What church to you atttend?" I told him I didn't have a church, and that I am not religious. He replied, "Oh...are you an atheist?" I answered, "Yup. That's fair to say." He said, "Be careful what you worship. God will not be mocked." WTF??? OK. Bye, psychopath. At least he revealed this within the first few minutes of our conversation.

[@staceypool2318]

Did he offered to pray for you?

[@chrishomes8298]

Best thing about Christ ians is they tell u that they are believers. Makes it easy to avoid them

[@timothywilliams4089]

Bloody hell!, if someone here in the UK told me they went to church, especially a neighbour,.....I'd move!

[@travisriordan9514]

Of course it’s verified, One of his Catholic friends or a priest told him, it Hass to be true

[@joyaljoyal308]

J

[@louisbarrow4671]

Chains of custody don't exist

[@4thlegion253]

🤦🏽‍♂️you can see the scientific papers in 1971

[@SmilingKratosTheGodOfWar]

A loaf of bread turns into living human flesh... that would be absolutely HORRIFYING! There would be mass panic and people would be screaming bloody murder. In no way would the reaction of the people in church would be "this is a miracle."

[@ConcealedCourier]

We are talking about Christians, here.. maybe, maybe not...

[@compulsiverambler1352]

I'm eating a sandwich while watching this and the description the caller gives is ruining it

[@gordonyork6638]

It's nothing more than ritualistic cannibalism

[@John.Christopher]

I don't see why not. That would absolutely be a miracle and anyone of faith who witnessed it would have cried for joy to put it lightly

[@wyett123]

I wonder if it turned to flesh in their mouths. I'd be pissed! That disgusting!

[@tommystyx]

I remember when I was in the military and I wanted to go back to being a civilian. One morning my prayers were answered when I woke up with a discharge in my hand, it was a miracle.

[@YY4Me133]

"...I woke up with a discharge in my hand..." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tedgrant2]

So the Catholic church has "confirmed" that this is a genuine miracle ? So the next stage is to ask Richard Dawkins and Penn Jillette to investigate. When they confirm that this is a genuine miracle, I will eat my hat.

[@yoursotruly]

Many times have I turned a pitcher of beer into water and can do it again if you buy the beer.

[@luizbrenner0]

One very important thing that isn't being mentioned: the caller never mentions that the supposed miracle occured in the 9th century until it's thrown into his face. This should be the most important and extraordinary aspect of this event, as it implies the evidence of living tissue that is 1200 years old, therefore mentioned with special highlight, but he chose to ommit it. This indicates that the caller has knowledge that it may be fraudulent and it would be slightly less implausible if it occurred in the 1970's, as the way he presents this history may imply, and tried to purposely and dishonestly make the hosts go with that idea, but ended up being debunked and caught red-handed.

[@Ben-fx9kx]

Not 9th century.. 8th that's 100years worse

[@Ben-fx9kx]

@Stefan Dingenouts it's true never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. No offence

[@Ben-fx9kx]

@Stefan Dingenouts well maybe you might take that as a slight against your mother

[@flea8332]

i thought i read somewhere that the shroud was proven to be a fake?

[@andreaferrara1969]

I remember watching a documentary about this where they did test a sample of The Shroud. I believe (don't quote me on the date) that it tested to about the 13th or 14th century. The criticism that I remember was that they tested the wrong spot, and it was from a repair. The other was that The Shroud was kept in a church or monastery where there was a fire. It has been speculated that this made the carbon dating of The Shroud flawed. Seems to me that this could be solved by just testing another section of the fiber that everyone can agree on isn't a part that was repaired.

[@andreaferrara1969]

@@yabutmaybenot.6433 Ya, that's what I would have assumed. The Shroud seems to have been an issue as dead as the Bible Code, but they release a new documentary with "stunning new evidence!!" every few years now. It is a bit frustrating hearing people bring out the same rehashed arguments and "evidence" that a Google search could have debunked for them.

[@flea8332]

@@yabutmaybenot.6433 ty

[@richardplinston9488]

One thing about the shroud that is certain: it was never made by being wrapped around anything. The images are like a photo, they are taken from a distance. If you were to put some colouring on your face and side of the head and wrap a cloth around the result would not be at all like the shoud's image. Also the front and back images abut directly, there is no top of head between them. It is interesting to speculate that the images were made like a photograph. Camera obscura (closed room with single light source) were known. A simple lens could have been made. Some form of light sensitive chemicals that could be fixed were not impossible. Being a shroud wrapped around a person is not what it is.

[@reasonablespeculation3893]

It is the authentic "fake"... Been worshiped and adored for 7 to 8 hundred years... so has absorbed an enormous amount of Supernatural (spiritual) Goodness.

[@Brammy007a]

Hey Konnor, I've got a couple of bridges in NYC I want to sell you.

[@nicolanobili2113]

I found Professor Linori's article from 1971. He examined the sample and made some conclusions (which I'll translate below), BUT, quite honestly and professionally, refused to date it with any degree of accuracy, since he wasn't able to attribute it to a precise period. His conclusions were: 1. The meat "belongs to the myocardium" 2. The blood "was found to be real blood" 3. The meat and blood are human and belong the AB type, the same as the Holy Shroud of Turin. 4. Proteins were found to be present, in the percentage ratios which are normally found in normal fresh blood. 5. The blood had quantitative reductions of chlorides, phosphor, magnesium, potassium and chlorine, but in a way not too different from what happens with normal human blood samples after drying. 6. Calcium was remarkably increased, which is compatible with the potential contamination of the chalice with wall powder, which has a high content of calcium salts.

[@compulsiverambler1352]

So there is a mystery... a mystery of misappropriated human heart tissue.

[@DaveJudd]

Its a miracle in this day and age people believe this stuff. If its Catholic its a lie to make money.

[@davewilliams5102]

You nailed it!!! They need money to pay off all of the law suits!

[@andreaferrara1969]

I always find these stories fascinating. For example, the caller seems to really believe that this event is a miracle, and yet knows very little about it, based upon what John is asking him. Even a cursory examination of this story (not from sources that would have obvious reasons to believe it true even if evidence to the contrary could be provided) shows that this reads like a legend. John made a great point about asking if there was a chain of custody to prove that this is what the priest originally held, and I don't know how you get that from something in the 9th century. Did the refrigerate it, did it just maintain this quasi living state, etc? Seems like the caller needs to exercise just a modicum of common sense questioning before this would have fallen apart.

[@kennethmurphy8122]

This wasn't peer reviewed.

[@donbacker9883]

@David Parry HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[@RB-zh1eq]

The Mormons should talk to this guy.

[@swiftly2322]

He's describing an event from 1571, and saying the did DNA testing on it over 200 years before we even discovered the concept of DNA... HOW?!

[@jimpelletier1986]

The police should be notified that someone is in possession of human tissue so they can investigate a possible murder.

[@mrskunk4732]

For those wondering, this apparently happened in 700. The testing was in the 1970s

[@stephenland9361]

Here we go. The Shroud of Turin... seriously?

[@Steve0272.]

Iv heard 2 years later the guys still looking for the paper to confirm his claim 🙈😂

[@MitchW1964]

I find it difficult to watch episodes like this because that level of foolish, gullibility makes me want to scream out loud!

[@NerdOutWithMe]

Cringe level = Michael Scott.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

So, the drops of liquid blood were the same blood than the crust found in the shroud, that allegedly covered Jesus after was cleansed of all blood and bathed in oil and species, before preparing the corpse for wrapping it with bands of linen... ...You do need a miracle to fit all that together!

[@kabukibob4742]

This story sounds totally LEGIT to me.

[@davewilliams5102]

LOL Bet you're waiting for the Easter Bunny too.

[@nuoiptertermer4484]

@Dave Williams Kabuki Bob was being sarcastic, I think.

[@tristannish8913]

He said the tissue was still alive and that it was mummified. Those things are mutually exclusive

[@bozhidarbalkas7269]

If the biblical god had equipped, say, donkeys with a language and ability to speak it, what would they say to us? I suggest they would say: You have enslaved us. Beaten, cursed, overworked, abused, cursed us, etc. ====== If Jesus was resurrected, he had to have been brought back to life while still in the closed Joseph's tomb. But when the tomb was opened for the first and only one time, Jesus, dead or risen, was not in the tomb. This proves two happenings: 1, The tomb was opened for the first time before the third day; and then his body had been taken away by as yet unknown people. 2, Jesus body was not ever placed in Joseph's tomb. ====== We can also in perfect peace, clarity, and thinking suggest that biblical God did not have have a son; nor the need to kill or have him killed to do the following: 1, Save people [only the believers or all humans] 2, To imbue all those God chose for his with the holy spirit or the spirit 3, Perfect protection and safety for all those who believe in God 4, Forgive the sins of his people 5, Make people holy, blameless, etc. 6, Etc, etc, etc......

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

The story of the tomb is just a story. You do know the Gospels weren't eyewitness accounts? And each one gives a different story.

[@mikesommer1914]

Would u like to buy keys to an amphitheater?

[@ambmainman]

I would like to know...... "What did the Police Report say?".....after all finding, fresh human blood and body parts .....there would have to have been an investigation!

[@m9frank]

So god reveals himself through parlor tricks?

[@donnyh3497]

I have actually met some incredibly gullible people just like this! One of them is actually smart in every other way.

[@Raabana1]

He out his god damn mind

[@mgchoo2962]

If all the claims are true, they must be repeatable any where in the world. Unless God does not want to repeat this. To keep his record of the champion of hide and seek.

[@obiwan7261]

there are many eucharistic miracles

[@andrewsarchus7319]

Konner, can you say "gullible?"

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

The 'Yuh okay' is strong in this one

[@apathy113]

I feel so bad for these callers. They are so effing lost! I mean, there are people out there like this?! Really? Asking shit like, "How do you know if you are doing the right thing if you don't believe in god?!" Are you f'n s'n me?! Scary ...

[@kingbidenmypres]

I genuinely don't know what they mean when they say that, and they say it a lot.. What is it exactly they're wanting to do or not do? It is scary because I can't relate to what they're talking about even though I'm an empath

[@KerryFreemanMelbourne]

Sorry! The shroud already proved false.

[@Thornspyre81]

HAHAHAHA, "...it was from the same person!!!!" I've never said this about a caller, but he has to be a troll .

[@Mewse1203]

Hasn't the shroud been pretty thoroughly debunked? From radiometric dating and other scientific procedures to art/linen history, showed it to npt be as old as needed.

[@blacklightning298]

Iv read 2 stories about fatima one saying it was the sun spinning in skies and other it was a spinning disk... So wich one is it.. They both cant be right but both can be wrong. An im saying this after having some experience my self.. But i think i hallucinated

[@johnlopperman2161]

The story confirms, proves the story. cool

[@ralfhaggstrom9862]

The Torino-shroud was PROVED to NOT BE THAT OLD ! ! ..............

[@GayorgVonTrapp]

Let’s give it a go on ‘Fool Us’ with Penn and Teller. They might make it to Vegas.

[@Sketto8]

Important question: since it happened during a mass, did the parishioners then all eat it? I mean, you can't go to mass and NOT eat some Jesus, right? Isn't that against the rules of mass? And then isn't that really, really gross?

[@qwadratix]

The whole idea of the Catholic Mass is gross. Eating the body and drinking the blood? Aw c'mon! This sort of stuff actually made me want to throw up when I heard about it as a child.

[@versesquared4945]

All we can do to help people like the caller is try an appeal to scientific values, if a person doesn't respect science and facts and evidence then there's no evidence we can give them at all and the conversation is over.

[@SFsc616171]

Must not be that big a deal, since I've been alive since 1952, and have never heard of this!!

[@bigboy9983]

Let him believe it. Take his money

[@nicolanobili2113]

"Lanciano" is actually pronounced "LanchAno" in Italian

[@jkhall9665]

Tracy are you trying not to laugh???

[@jasontheconner6120]

Is there a peer reviewed study somewhere? I couldn't find it on Google. I'd love to read the study.

[@dannysouheaver1931]

See how easy it is to get people to believe anything. But religion doesn’t hurt anyone, they say.

[@russellh9894]

Even if any of these "miracles" actually happened, the question to the caller needs to be "how can a person connect these odd occurrences to the power of a god?" And "How did you confirm your god is capable of doing any of these things?" If he says his God is capable by definition, he's starting at the wrong point.

[@GavTatu]

seems to be a lot more about it on google now.

[@russellh9894]

I recommend watching at x1.5 speed

[@whitethorn1969]

If it's true then it should easily be proven as the flesh is still available for testing. And fortunately the flesh is from the heart, and not, say, the backside!

[@Anonerak]

A lot of churches claim they have parts of Jessus, none claim they have his ass, strange isn't it. Maybe Jessus had no ass.

[@ricardovonkrypton8908]

It might be the only part of the story which didn't come from a backside... :)

[@geezzerboy]

I bet the caller has never been out of the OSA.

[@brianharris7243]

"What about miracles?" "Didn't happen!" end of-short show in that case.

[@ryanp8518]

Oh yeah guys small point here my "evidence" is 1400 years old hehe

[@tedgrant2]

Being presented with reports of miracles does not make believe in a god. It makes me think someone is deliberately trying to deceive me.

[@ProgrammerGamer1]

That time in the hospital elevator carrying two kids when I told my girlfriend she wasn't allowed to come with me until I sent her back into the doctor with jaundice, years later and two surgeries later after driving 400 miles and she's alive to tell the story. Imagine if I weren't smarter than a doctor, because science.

[@mikenike97L6]

Even if we were to find out the miracle happened, how is this proof of a God performing this?

[@Anonerak]

A cup filling up with blood and flesh, that is some evil ancient blood god stuff, if you ask me.

[@floaterincloud]

If a guy is holding a piece of a heart and blood in his hands, LOOK FOR THE DEAD BODY!!

[@LittleTed1000]

Well that unraveled quickly...

[@mrscolumbo4704]

Holy communion is symbolic of the body of Christ (bread) and blood of Christ (wine). If someone accepting holy communion was actually presented with a piece of human flesh and a cup of blood, imo I highly doubt they would consume it!

[@NerdOutWithMe]

How does someone believe this?

[@henriksrensen5958]

I'm convinced, Hail Jesus😂😂

[@staceypool2318]

Jesus is not a god.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Have some respect, it's spelled Jeebus.

[@arrivagabry]

the test he is talking about was done on a tiny corner not on the figure, if there was any blood it should have been on the figure of that man not on a tiny corner of the shroud

[@nicolanobili2113]

Oh, actually, since they asked where the allegedly host is still preserved (yes, it is a well-known relic), it is possible to see it in a church in central Italy. However, this legend dates back to the 8th century, but apparently there is no evidence of it until several centuries later (it was a rather popular subject in frescos in the Renaissance), so it is not even possible to be sure this story was not made up six or seven centuries later, when it was convenient to underline the importance of the true eucharistic meaning of Jesus' sacrifice to oppose the newly born Protestant reform.

[@gamebucket2961]

I searched up this “professor” and cam up with nothing that was related to Sedna.

[@longlivechrisnSyri]

It took me 12 seconds on Google to find results for preserved white blood cells

[@suburban-vampire]

What did this doofus think would happen in this call? Lol Also, doesn't this make Catholics cannibals? Like literally actual cannibals?

[@versesquared4945]

What's the bet he won't find a peer review lol

[@davewilliams5102]

Great comment. Still laughing.

[@777Rowen]

I was told this in mass today. This story was told to convince us that we HAVE to go to church to worship Jesus/God during this fucking pandemic. The Holy Spirit consumption of Jesus’s flesh exc. I wasn’t convinced. Here’s the video I found explaining this called “Miracle of Lanciano Italy”.

[@compulsiverambler1352]

You didn't link a video.

[@777Rowen]

@@compulsiverambler1352 Just look up the name. You’ll find it there

[@alexsdemkin]

Callers like this all sound like they are partly medicated or have been up for days

[@Anonerak]

Why have we not cloned Jessus yet, we obviously have his living flesh?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

We could have a literal ARMY of Jesi. You know what that means, right? Open season on sin! Wooo! *rips tag off of mattress and immediately feels guilty*

[@obiwan7261]

No DNA could be extracted from the sample. Proving that this is something more than a normal human being

[@A.Tag90]

According to Wikipedia, after the supposed miracle, the archbishop at the time is the one who confirmed the miracle. Sounds fishy to me.

[@Lucas20520]

This guy's level of gullibility is off the charts!

[@shallowfakes593]

did you get that peered reviewed paper lololololololololollolol! lollolololololololololololoolooloL! LOL!!!!

[@sharmila8357]

3:00 Did I hear this clown right? It was the same blood type so it came from the same person?

[@johnlopperman2161]

Starting with the easy stuff, how is blood "a drop" after some two centuries?

[@jadagijane2677]

Some miracles which prove Jesus is God and Catholicism to be true 1.Euchariatic miracles 2.Miracles of Lourdes 3.Our Lady of Fatima 4.Hiroshima Rosary miracle 5.Lepanto rosary victory 6.Our Lady of Guadalupe

[@grantcarpenter6685]

Anyone can make miracle claims.

[@suburban-vampire]

Bro, that shit is weak. I believe in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Stan Lee and Kevin Feige are way more miraculous than any of this BS, sorry. Endgame is superior to the Bible

[@dmclegg66]

I totally have live flesh from commander Sheapard I swere a guy said so 800 yrs ago.

[@dolnick7]

So God lets children die of cancer and adults die in car crashes but keeps a hunk of meat alive in some jar in Italy to attest to his greatness? My first reaction would not be belief, but instead, WTF?

[@brucewilliams4152]

Shroud of Turin dated to 1290 common era, it's a fake konnor.

[@drshellkinggmailcom]

Even if the histopathologist identified heart and blood in the specimen that doesn’t get you to a god.

[@brucewilliams4152]

Konnor hasn't heard of medieval hoaxes yet.

[@harkema8090]

Maybe he watched a channel that also claims there are many aliëns anong us..just as crazy!

[@m.b.g.musicproduction9658]

I think this guy has read too many Dan Brown novels!

[@jameswitte5167]

White blood cells can be kept intact outside the body ...

[@bentot1974]

You do some researxh so that all uour invistigation will be answered.

[@sexybeast1701]

It was a live until they tested it, Now it’s dead LOL

[@jailhousephilosopher3309]

This story, and I stress "story" claimed by a priest, you know the guys, the ones that have overwhelmingly been convicted of 😳 rape and maybe murder, may have had living heart tissue. Really, a whole congregation said it was bread turning into these tissues. Yeah, sounds like a cop-out from when little Johnny went missing.

[@gliblyaware]

This guy keeps making positive claims about "the blood" and other details. Where did he hear this story? KZbin video? It's truly is astonishing the credulity.

[@edgardobassi4864]

I am Italian and I never heard of this.

[@Ploskkky]

I can change water into coffee.

[@TheBeatle49]

Later in the bathroom the coffee turns to water.

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

It's called a fake.

[@庫倫亞利克]

The theists are so gullible, I'll probably fool them if I procure a lump of flesh and tell them I see it transforming from a cookie into its current state with my own eyes. Wait, hasn't someone done this feat with a shard of wood and some teriyaki sauce...?