"I'm Not Empty, That's Just A Jesus Shaped Hole!?" | The Atheist Experience: Throwback

[@BlackHorizons-xp8xb]

dude blaming anger on a devil instead of his steroid abuse lol

[@kellyrestiaux9846]

@@BlackHorizons-xp8xb Well, he didn't feel he was filled with a Lawful Evil, therefore no devil; he was correct to ascribe his Chaotic Evil feelings to a demon. Why he didn't then just hand some gold over to a high-level Cleric for a couple quick spells, I dunno.

[@FakingANerve]

​@@kellyrestiaux9846 I don't know about that first part, but that last question is quite valid given how he now has so much money after he stopped choking the chicken.

[@anarchords1905]

The Demon of Choking the Rooster's Neck has better things to do with their time than waste it on the likes of Victor. Victor's a wank-stain all on his own.😏

[@georgem2334]

I was an atheist before that guy's call. Now I'm even a bigger atheist!

[@MrJames-eb6rp]

💀

[@jexelbur6872]

You got taller?

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Double atheist

[@canderson5098]

To paraphrase Mitch Hedberg: "I used to be an atheist. I still am one, but I used to be one too."

[@mattjindrak]

​​@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral an aatthheeiisstt

[@MooseMaunu]

"Victor" sounds just like that guy we ALL know at our work place who we don't feel comfortable being alone with, or turning our back on.

[@alexhidel3732]

Yes, he is a lunatic

[@thedave1771]

😂

[@kellyrestiaux9846]

@@MooseMaunu Or sitting with at lunch, or being near when a new guy accidentally asks Victor, "So how was your weekend ?"

[@ElyasChange]

@@MooseMaunu you're on the money

[@gainer83]

this b***h pos caller calls better on different names acting w/different voice.

[@iluvworldofwarcraft]

90% of people who say they were in a dark place with a list of issues really just need therapy, not religion. Religion preys on the vulnerable and the down-trodden. He was a clear mark for Christianity.

[@Specialeffecks]

Exactly. Whichever religion happened to be most convenient at the time with just enough preconceived familiarity by the 'mark'. What would impress me - since believers claim to value "truth" - is if ANY religion spent even a bit of time (i.e. even 15 min out of every 2 hours of preaching) rigorously TESTING their claims one-by-one for accuracy. But no, religion is not about verifiable facts; it's about placating one's fear of the unknown and existential dread in a quick, easy, prepackaged way for the ignorant masses (who haven't the time or skills to do any difficult analysis to determine what is verifiably accurate). Whatever makes one feel better, then unfortunately mentally traps you it ('marks' become dependent on believing through effective conditioning). Religions best at this tactic survive and thrive, other religions with inadequate survival traits decline, or die out.

[@doomlabs769]

As a therapist I can say I don't need therapy.... I just need to be objective about my actions and receptive to the repercussions of those actions... but I probably need therapy about that

[@juancarlosv5136]

@@Specialeffecks I just guess if I had the opportunity to learn more at high school and university about social sciences, psychology and psychiatry and less about religion as it was my case. Such a profound difference in my life in the past years.

[@Leith_Crowther]

The other 10% needed neither.

[@ihatespam2]

Going to religion is like an addict getting another dose of delusion.

[@javk8673]

The way Shannon read this man’s life story in 60 seconds this man took 8 minutes to not get all out lmaoooo

[@halwentz554]

63 years old and 63 years with no god and zero demons.

[@thomasfriedrich1269]

A great deal of my lifetine I have waited with praying my ass of for years no respond form abouve. Not one. And the time befor Not too. Very close to end my life. Last attemp was get my ass in a clinic. Last shot..... 1 stay - but they could kiss my sweet tushy. Not ready. 2. Stay - breakthrough. Never feeling more free than ever before. 3. Stay - Was to make shure to try it without a clinic. That started 16 years ago . now I ereased myslft out of the church books, use the help of councelor and moving on. When I recall how much time I wasted on asking god for help or just clearifikation . I am getting sick to the bone. Still fighting but fucking Papa smurf. No way back.

[@DulceN]

Same here. 63 y/o who started doubting at 9 and left religion at 14, never looked back and happy about it.

[@LaRossaSelvaggia]

My demons left with Jesus.

[@donfette5301]

@@LaRossaSelvaggia “Got a devil in my dick / there’s demons in my semen” (Red Hot Chili Peppers).

[@freakishuproar1168]

​@@LaRossaSelvaggiamy demons live inside my anvs :3

[@antimatter2380]

Funny how he stopped being angry after getting off the juice. Guess he never heard of roid rage. But no, jesus did it.

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

He could always try the Opus Dei plan for literal self-flagellation

[@williamwatson4354]

When I was 17 I was depressed. I decided what I wanted to be when I grew up was happy. So I worked on learning to be happy. No Jesus required. For the record, I'm presently 67 and happy with my life.

[@theheartofthematter]

well done sir

[@markireland1162]

I was in a dark place once...I eventually found the light switch.

[@thedave1771]

I once was lost, and then I used my GPS.

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

​@@thedave1771and u were found

[@joyfulzero853]

But, that bulb will not last forever. What will you do then? Replace it, I guess!

[@jordancase1331]

I looked for god once, found myself on the way. Now I am complete.

[@ChrisFerguson-zm4gt]

@@jordancase1331 no, u lost some screws along the way. Id love to hear what made an adult believe in magic fruit, talking donkeys and snakes, people living in whales and of course imaginary friends and enemies....and all with absolutely no evidence for the silly nonsense.

[@SuperManning11]

I could listen to Shannon talk all night-I just love her intelligence and her logic, and her amazing ability to immediately see a situation for what it is. She must be an incredible therapist

[@doneestoner9945]

I love her.

[@trocarcat]

rage and lust & anger and "making lots of money" (abusing others for personal gain) are the hallmarks of a Christian. I would much prefer being a responsible, intelligent, curious, tolerant, moral, kind, patient person.

[@ziploc2000]

As soon as they slide down the demons and curses rabbit hole they've lost the plot as far as I'm concerned, no matter what magic books they've been reading.

[@Tardis1217]

It's exactly what Shannon was saying. He feels guilty for the state of his life prior to his conversion, and rather than take accountability for the actions that led him there, he scapegoats demons and black magic as the reason why he was so unhappy. And anyone with sense knows that if you blame other people or especially blame figments of your imagination for all your problems in life, then you're very likely to end up right back where you started. Accountability, responsibility, action, and perseverance will get you further in life than any ancient book of fairy tales.

[@gknight4719]

@@Tardis1217 Yes, or maybe he is just a narcissist, with a lake of serotonin.

[@scienceexplains302]

So Yahweh created people for thousands of years with a hole and nothing to fill it? The Lord works in stupid ways.

[@AL13NM]

At the very least dog has a dearning lisability and is probably "On The Spectrum." bless his heart.

[@Jason-dh3ku]

Shannon did great on this call

[@michaelmay5453]

She always does, she has the ability to deconstruct the argument down to the basic point and then show why it's wrong. It's quite impressive.

[@Bruce-hy2uo]

I was in a dark place, but then Victor's call ended.

[@brynpookc1127]

@Bruce-hy2uo Ramen be praised 😂😂😂

[@canderson5098]

Victor must be a Led Zeppelin fan because he sure likes to Ramble On.

[@jeil5676]

Now's the time. The time is now.

[@jamesowen4938]

Many mentally ill people ramble on.

[@tekbarrier]

Is this some sort of metal joke that I'm too dubstep to understand? (Trick question because I love metal too.)

[@Drewbius333]

Been that way ten years to the day..

[@markwoods4439]

Don’t embarrass Led Zeppelin like that😂😂😂

[@bazingaburg8264]

Uppers and steroids, huh? Those couldn't possibly have anything to do with feeling amped up and angry wink wink.

[@MrMattSax]

You’re saying there is an entirely plausible natural explanation for what he was feeling? No, the answer is certainly magical evil entities. That makes way more sense. 🤪

[@8barsentertainment969]

That BAM BAM took me out 😂

[@georgem2334]

They all say the same thing about coming to their Jesus. It's a prewritten script they read when they're getting brain washed.

[@Specialeffecks]

Please don't forget about the other brain-washed people who come to Budda, Krishna, L. Ron Hubbard, Allah, Odin, etc. Even Some Christian don't think Jesus is a god (Jehovah's Witness, who only have one - Jehovah). Now that I think of it, most Christians only 'use' Jesus to 'get to the Father' ("No one comes to the Father except through me." - per Jesus, as claimed in an old book, one of several old 'holy' books). It all just appears to be primitive superstition thought up by ancient primates.

[@sun1one1]

@@Specialeffecks 1. Buddha is not a god, people don't "come to" him in the way you're thinking. 2. Technically you can't become a Hindu, you have to be born one. 3. No one today actually believes that Odin exists, he is just a symbol.

[@Specialeffecks]

​@@sun1one1 Maybe this leaves other gods like Allah, L. Ron Hubbard or one or more of the many other proposed gods not mentioned, or even some new ones yet to be conceived in the future by humans. Is there evidence that god candidates can only be from the popular gods in older writings? Maybe the tests for any god performed by those ancient humans were inconclusive or fell outside the test's error bars (or they were otherwise mistaken with one or more of the details). For example, Hayyi Rabbi is the god for Sabian Mandaeism, Manujeshvara is the 'god of humans' in Hinduism. Jainism seems to reject the concept of a creator deity, and it appears they believe that a person themself becomes a god - similar to what Scientology believes. JW's claim neither Jesus nor the holy ghost are gods and there are not three (unlike for Trinitarians), but only one - Jehovah, but still call themselves "Christian" and part of a Christian religion. It just seems strange to me that believers of all the different religions are convinced their own god(s) factually exist and equally convinced it's not the god(s) claims (or no god claims) of competing religions. This alone tells me there hasn't been definitive verification, which would instead result in all religions to agree on the god or gods (or lack thereof). At most one sect of one religion could even be correct, if any, therefore MOST believers are in fact wrong - even though they are convinced they are right (i.e. if I'm currently convinced that I'm right, I'm instead most likely wrong). Considering this fact, I don't claim to 'know' for certain that any god or gods have been proven to exist via any rigorous validation testing and demonstration, therefore I don't currently accept the god hypothesis. To claim I know when I don't know seems like I would be dishonest. At least I'm not actively spending my time believing in the wrong god(s), if any - like the vast majority of believers MUST be doing.

[@MrMattSax]

When he started repeating “BAM! BAM!” to describe the experience of a “guy punch” it struck me that this dude sounds like a parody of an evangelist. He’s screaming out “Jesus is real because of the FEELS!”

[@magicofjafo]

I love Shannon's complete dismantling of Victor.

[@Beacon80]

It's always entertaining to ask an apologist who insists they're not an animal to provide a taxonomical definition of "animal." Typically one of three things happens: 1) They define animal as not having a trait that humans have, which isn't how taxonomical definitions work. 2) They give a definition that doesn't describe all animals 3) They pretend to not have heard the question.

[@khartog01]

I've been an atheist for about 10 years now and have no demons since.

[@jbibro]

I had a demon inside me, and now Jesus, and the weekend still isn’t over!

[@ARoll925]

I dont believe Victor is for real, he is so ridiculous

[@MrCanis4]

The same thoughts. And that he is so in love with himself.

[@Igeltod]

oh he is real. there are tons of these people out there. totally brainwashed. they just rarely expose themselves to someone outside of their particular believe group.

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

He seems like a Construct Personality shielding an unformed child emotionally frozen by some severe abuse which grossly overcompensates with pursuit of more things and repeated references to 'hatred'

[@ciprianpopa1503]

Religious people do sound like this, even worse. There are a lot fighting the demons. Most of them fight the demons in the church and some the psychiatrist's office.

[@morenfin]

I had to roll my eyes at the start. How many preachers have a story about how I totally for reals smoked all the drugs, sexed the sex, and crimed all the time? Its so ridiculous.

[@chriskelly3481]

😂 Sitting backwards on a chair and getting "real" with the kids.

[@EmersumBiggins]

Victor is exceptionally weak minded. He sounded like he was talking from a completely empty concrete room, sitting in a chair that is bolted to the floor😐

[@caffiend.]

But he says he made a lot of money had women left and right, traveled the world, lives life to the fullest...sounds like BS to me.😂

[@jeanhind8198]

(laughing). Yeah, how did he hold a phone in that straitjacket.?!

[@kellyrestiaux9846]

@@caffiend. Yeah, I too enjoyed (read : eye-rolled) Victor's token bragging about how Andrew Tate he managed to be. A wonder that "demon" wasn't also to credit or blame for a 13" Tomnoddy, several black belts in esoteric martial arts, a 315-lb PR bench press with no warmup, and a perfect tan year-round.

[@VegaPhil]

It’s called abusing steroids. The anger and feeling of revenge towards people is a common effect

[@anthonysmith8800]

I went through a very dark and dangerous period in my life. All drug related. What got me out of that was my friends supporting me and me realising what greatness I had in my life, ie my friends who believed in me. I'm in a good place now, all because of the very real, unconditional love of my real friends, not an imagined supernatural 'friend'. I wish theists had the same trust in the real people and themselves ❤

[@TheDukeOfReuben]

This is just a highly impressionable person with an addictive personality that found a new thing to hyper focus on.

[@5555522255555]

Well... there's a hole alright...in your head..

[@Drewbius333]

🎶 Head like a hole, black as your soul, I'd rather die, than give you control 🎶

[@halwentz554]

I had a hole in my like and Richard Simmons filled it

[@canderson5098]

I have to admit that seeing a jesus shaped hole would be a lot more convincing than seeing jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich, which seems to be the extent of this god character's miraculous abilities these days.

[@feedingravens]

The best Jesus proof is when you google for "jesus on dog butt". I do not know why dogs are not holy animals. That on every mass they place a dog on the altar, and the believers can kiss Jesus' face.

[@canderson5098]

​@@georgeaguilar6996stop it you're scaring me

[@Specialeffecks]

​@@feedingravens I wonder if that's how some Hindus made Holy Cows...Someone check their butts for Krishnas

[@canderson5098]

​@@georgeaguilar6996you really need to ask your god to help you to stop making kindergarten level typos

[@tonyclements1147]

@@georgeaguilar6996 You’re not even trying to make sense and engage with anyone like an adult are you?

[@diogeneslamp8004]

He heard a podcast that told him he was a citizen of the District of Columbia _and he believed it._ At least he didn’t claim to be a skeptic.

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

or claim to be Sovereign Citizen, which could well lead to being featured in other videos, probably interacting with law enforcement

[@keokai2122]

Shannon is awesome! I respect that kind of intelligence... Someone clearly educated and articulate. 🌺

[@Gwaithmir]

My life became much happier when I came out as an atheist and freethinker.

[@DanBatemanBlack]

If Victor has emptiness in his hole he should just get his hole filled.

[@jm7thlevel237]

I am impressed greatly by the soft landing and kind way that Shannon delivered the concept. I listen frequently in an effort to amass interpersonal communication skills and the command of logic/fallacy principles in active, real-life discussions. I am grateful for the education. And particularly today's demonstration of tact and compassion afforded to the caller. Well played! I will try to emulate.

[@paviewer]

I love when Shannon does her recaps. Perfect!

[@RosieRoserules]

No Christian has ever been able to explain why in the Book of Job God and Satan get along very good naturedly. Almost like Best buddies.

[@Beacon80]

A bit of a tangent, but have you seen the second season of Good Omens? It covers how Aziraphale and Crowley react to those events.

[@RosieRoserules]

@@Beacon80 I greatly appreciate your comment because I had never heard of Good omens. I just started it tonight I'm on episode 3 and I adore it. This is the kind of smart dialogue that I like.

[@evenstoats2639]

It's because satan was just an angel giving opposing advise. Literally "opposer." People changed, added, and exaggerated of centuries to what we recognize ad the devil. Just like yahwe was a storm god, then he lost his wife, his fellow gods, and got promoted to 1st cause and the only god. Just evolution of stories.

[@bubbercakes528]

So funny how this man converted by reading the bible while many atheists left religion due to reading the bible!

[@daleproctor3723]

I get the feeling that Victor would wear down those girl friends that want to stay up late to discuss their relationship.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

He needs therapy, not religious mythology

[@KochDerDamonen]

Victor got fucked up by a sovereign citizens podcast lmao

[@markpolice3585]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

[@halwentz554]

Go Washington Redskins!!

[@kriss3d]

Ohh the guy is a sovereign citizen. THAT never fails..

[@AESmith-bw1fy]

“Because I had the time to do so” 🤔 Perhaps in jail or prison??

[@DraLaRoc]

🎉. Great job Shannon

[@spaztor7723]

ahhh , the empty hole fallacy lol

[@wynlewis5357]

Don't anybody ever give that guy an ouija board, he's already pretty far gone !

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

Time 5:43 Caller: "because I wanted to get to the point, but it's kind of a long story..." immediately pivots to "here's an interesting bit of trivia, that's not related to what we are talking about at all," LOL This person needs 10mg of Lithium. Its not a demon, its your 'inner voice' or internal dialogue

[@bobbybecker3572]

"Every chapter is tiny in the Bible I have" You know what they say about a guy with tiny chapters in his Bible...

[@dragonhealer7588]

Shannon is SOOO good! Expert!

[@dorkception2012]

Callers like this always reminds me how many not too bright people are among us.

[@Browndynamite-xj5wv]

I smell BS through my phone on this guy. He claimed to be a work obsessed, money hungry and a womanizer because he hates people. Maths not mathing bub🤣

[@thedave1771]

Yeah. His demon sounds like the one to hang out with, not him.

[@peterharris8471]

Wow, she saw right through him. I hope she got him to walk away from his new cult-think before it sinks it's teeth in.

[@D-Pocalypse]

Sorry, Victor, but I don't believe you.......

[@marksc111]

Neither. I smelled bs straight away

[@rayhill5767]

This resurgence in beliefs in demon possession is concerning. Really gives the mentality ill an excuse to act on their impulses or disassociate.

[@zakriver4819]

I wonder how he tells the difference between stomach flu (technically gastro-enteritis) and a curse. If the difference is "we know what causes flu", well, scientists who have studied the human body have identified multiple causes for "bad feelings" such as trauma and chemical imbalances. I once fell into a severe clinical depression due to a bad reaction to medicine I was taking for tourette's. Nobody suggested I was cursed, and proper medical care, not prayer or exorcism, brought me back to normality. By the way, tourette's is also not a curse (although it can feel like it at times). It is a physical, medical condition.

[@rickbrant5198]

You can't bring dumb in front of Shannon.

[@AllureKing]

Well Victor certainly sounds like a well adjusted individual.

[@richardp7116]

As a christian for close to 40 years I always thought my life was full of curses I needed god to remove. Now as an atheist I feel like my life is full of blessings. 😂

[@brucewilliams4152]

Victor needs help, it isn't religious help he needs

[@adamcroft80]

I had a similar experience to victor in the sense of I was living a very unfulfilling and um happy life even tho I had loads of ‘positive’ things in my life. At the time I didn’t realise the thing that was missing was the sense of belonging that a community brings until I started playing world of Warcraft. It sounds stupid but the online community for that game literally changed my life. Not because WoW is real but because of the positives that come from feeing part of a community.

[@danieldata7135]

"like bam bam bam"

[@suburban-vampire]

LOL I'm sorry but I don't believe Victor is a world traveler who had like a ton of girlfriends. That sounds like a story told by a completely weird and sheltered religious person

[@OriginalBernieBro]

Proverbs BAM BAM BAM 💥 😂

[@Drewbius333]

Kalashnikov BAM BAM BAM

[@bobbybecker3572]

I also feel cursed when there is an emptiness in my hole

[@marksc111]

Lol

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

this guy needs real counseling, not youtube influences or more religious manipulation. shannon could help him.

[@hibbo1351]

If you say Jesus backwards, it sounds like sausage

[@Aleiza_49]

Victor calling to tell us bedtime stories. 😂

[@Vincent-fo7xp]

Anyone who believes in demons is the actual demon

[@SonjaParis]

Shannon rocks! I hope to see and hear more of her in the future!!

[@cedarandsound]

The punch to the gut bit is funny, unintentionally so, but sadly it’s funny

[@migbham1]

3:42 - 3:50 - Shannon's face goes through every possible human emotion possible in 8 seconds, landing on, presumably, a combination of contempt and disgust. LOL!

[@RannonSi]

I think I've heard that backstory a couple of times, by now. Once from an older catholic monk.

[@KeithRadzik-o9x]

Shannon brilliantly, and succinctly extrapolated and summarized Victor in about a minute, which he then willfully acknowledged, yet sadly was unable to successfully process and integrate, and immediately equivocates to the lowest common denominator of all the callers, which is that They Absolutely Are Incapable of Answering Any Question Directly. (Prob all those pesky demons lurking)

[@franciscosustek7249]

If you believe in "demons", what you rea😊lly need is a shrink....

[@SceptiGus]

This variety of Christian is just exhausting

[@ookekklibarianbornagain6708]

2nd that.

This guy is so FOS. I don't believe a thing he said.

[@BorisNoiseChannel]

I'm half way in, so this is probably premature, but: doing steroids while thinking his anger issue was caused by demons...?

[@VonPatzy]

Sounds like he bought into sov citizen bullshit and Jesus on the same afternoon.

[@CoderOfBugs]

Therapy ✅️ Religion ⛔️ Seriously, though. I have Christian friends who tell me that one day I'll find out that all the things I've learned won't be good enough, and I'll need Jesus. Gaslighting and manipulation...

[@brucebaker810]

Victor. Did that podcast with the "interesting fact about the law" cover Admiralty Law, Sovereign Citizenship, etc?

[@sixofsix]

I used to be a Christian, until I read the Bible.

[@Florida_kayaking]

Some day, we might shake this serpent around our necks that tells us to feel shame for our own bodies...

[@jpbaley2016]

It’s not a serpent but just a hypocrite looming over your shoulder telling you to feel shame.

[@JEkongz]

Shannon is so good.

[@RupertMay]

CAUTION....YOU WILL LOSE I.Q. POINTS LISTING TO THIS DUDE HE'S BEEN SERIOUSLY INDOCTRINATED 😂😂😂

[@leongkhengneoh6581]

The most incoherent caller

[@cc-dt1sh]

I love that in the middle of his rant he pauses to ask if they were still there. It’s like he was surprised himself that they were patiently listening to his BS

[@doneestoner9945]

There is no such thing as demons !

[@acerx203]

Victor could have used therapy early in life and now indoctrination has taken root. Real therapy might still help him, but I have doubts about that.

[@MrStringybark]

The thing missing from Victor's story was this; What crisis happened in his life that caused him to become a born again Christian. I don't mean he had a growing feeling of unhappiness and/or lack of forefillment, I mean what was the hair that weighed a ton that broke Victor's mental and emtional "back". I know it's there but he didnt reveal it.

[@laurajarrell6187]

Victor sounds like typical steroid use problems.👍🏼🌊💙💙💙🌊🥰✌🏽

[@canderson5098]

I bet he has a lot of zits on his back

[@nameofthegame9664]

The guy felt lust, anxiety, anger while taking steroids and didn’t see the correlation?

[@Puketapu]

Shannon is great. Calm and analytical

[@TheDrtachyon]

This is some ableist shit right here... Someone give Victor back his stapler.

[@csadler]

Victor sounds nuts.

[@laurah9923]

This guy might be clinging to an idea and is afraid to explore it for fear of being lost again. I hope he can latch onto more tangible ways of fulfilling his emotional needs before this one fails him. He’s going to need firm ground to stand on. My hope is that discovers ways to nurture others and make his world a better place. That helped me a lot.

[@stevesheppardmusic]

A lot of girlfriends lolol. Yes, I bet her name was "Right Hand"

[@GumSkyloard]

Hey now, two hands is a lot of hands..

[@XEndlessSteelX]

3:30 you already know this is a fake story. This story was told at least a hundred times to me alone.

[@andygb1969]

Shannon reminds me a little of Taylor Swift