Buying Canon EOS R7 in 2024? | Honest review

[@timovehkaoja]

Are you thinking about buying the Canon EOS R7 and have questions? Drop a comment and I’ll reply asap! :)

[@dancampeau1963]

Hi Timo. I'm basically a beginner with photography. I want to master it, but I know it will take a few years. I hope I made the right choice with a R7. I have a 50mm f1.8 rf right now. It's fine, but I WANT MORE lenses! I heard the Canon 100-400mm rf mount lens focus is sharp and it gives you the best bang for your buck. I like shooting wildlife, and possibly sports.

[@ImportanteCreations]

I have canon R7..Thinking of upgrading to canon R5 mark ii or Sony a7rv?

[@simonjonasmusic8410]

Sigma has now released the first RF lens, an 18-50mm 2.8. In November 2024 there'll be: 10-18mm 2.8 16mm 1.4 23mm 1.4 30mm 1.4 56mm 1.4 I think we're good 🙂

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, now. Finally! Now we are waiting for a decent telephoto lens from Sigma 👍🏻

[@ryancormack6934]

@@timovehkaoja Looks like there are Laowa lenses coming out with Canon RF lenses as well (Finally!)

[@timovehkaoja]

@@ryancormack6934 I haven’t even heard of this! Thanks for the heads up 👍🏻

[@club.alfagt]

It’s because of your videos that really helped my buy my R7. Photography/videography is apart of my regular job. Was using a T7i before😮. Now I have the R7 w/ a 24-105 4-7.1 Lens and it more than gets the job done. Love it.

[@timovehkaoja]

I am so pleased that you have loved the camera and you use it to create! Makes me so happy!

[@samrazi1]

I love your videos man. Thanks for this. I too absolutely love the R7. I got it because I already had some APSC lenses and because the price, combined with the resolution and the fact that it had the same AF system as the R3 made it a no brainer. I also wanted to make videos and not having a limit of 30 minutes at 4K 30FPS just made it that much sweeter. I got both a EF-RF adapter with drop-in filter capability (the Mieke one) and a speedbooster (the Viltrox), and I also picked up some SICK lenses (they were expensive, but I got some of them second hand). So essentially now, because I have the two adapters, each of my lenses are essentially TWO lenses, depending on which adapter I use. With the Viltrox, the full frame lenses I bought become near full-frame on the R7, and if I want to punch them in, I use the Mieke. The quality of images I get with this setup is INSANE. And yes, while low light performance with the R7 is not as good as with a full-frame like the R5, it's still amazing what you can achieve with a fast lens and Lightroom's AI-based noise reduction. Overall, I think the R7 is the best value in the Canon line, and combined with these adapters and some awesome lenses (like an 85mm F1.4 with IS, a nifty fifty, a 70-200 (I got the F4 which is super compact and sharp), and of course the legendary Sigma 18-35 f1.8) I don't think you can get this overall versatility and quality for the price with any other setup.

[@timovehkaoja]

Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to write this comment, appreciated! The only camera around the same pricepoint that competes with the R7 (in my opinion) is the Sony A6700. It is a bit more expensive, but then again, you'd get the full lineup of Sigma lenses to work with, which are less expensive. But my problem with the A6700 is the build. It doesn't FEEL like a pro camera, but more like a toy. This is just personal preference though. But in the Canon lineup, the R7 gives most for it's price, absolutely. The R8 comes close second.

[@samrazi1]

@@timovehkaoja 100% agree

[@rayl801]

I don't understand why there is such a hesitancy to mention or recommend the Canon rf-s 18-150mm (29-240 equivalent) & 10-18mm (16-29 equivalent) kit lenses. I own both for use on my R7, particularly as a lightweight and compact travel setup. For many people this is all they need, and the picture quality is actually quite good. I also own an R5 with Canon ef 16-35mm f/4L (w/ef-rf adapter), rf 100-500L, and Tamron ef 35-150mm f/2.8-4 (w/ef-rf adapter) lenses, and others, so I understand the benefit of "good glass", but the R7 with Canon rf-s kit lenses is not bad. However, I do wish Canon would allow 3rd party RF mount lenses to be made. Note, all of the ef mount lenses that I own work fine with the ef-rf adapters).

[@timovehkaoja]

18-150mm is f/6.3 at 150mm. That’s why. 10-18mm is slow all around, as it starts from f/4.5. Sigma just made a 10-18mm f/2,8 for APS-C cameras. Why not Canon?

[@rayl801]

Good question. The shorts answer is size, weight, and higher cost for f2.8. However, regarding lens aperatures, it all depends on what type of photography you enjoy. For someone such as me who primarily takes outdoor landscape, travel, wildlife, fast / wide aperature is for the most part a non-issue. If you need to do photography in low light conditions, or want shallow depth of field portrature, then it's likely that fast lenses are a must. You also can always use any number of various ef mount lenses with the ef-rf adapter on the r7.

[@martinhommel9967]

@@timovehkaoja with the shorter flange distances and the camera's high ISO performance these "slow" f stops don't really matter. Most people will be more than ok with the RFs lens line up. Most people also don't care too much about bokeh.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@rayl801 Sigma 10-18mm f/2.8 is around $700, Canon 10-18mm f/4,6-6,3 is around $450. Size is not an issue as the Sigma is only slightly bigger 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@timovehkaoja]

@@martinhommel9967 High ISOs cause noise. R7 starts to show significant noise at 6400, so unless you use Topaz or LR to denoise, it will be an issue. Rest of what you said are your personal statements and is not backed up by anything.

[@ElMacho0423]

I bought the R7 right when it came out as well as the 100-400. It's a great budget setup but I ended up selling that lens and got the 100-500 for extra reach and way better quality while zooming in. The R7 was a great beginner camera but it has some issues when trying to record quickly or using too heavy lenses for it. When I upgraded to the R6 MK2 I noticed that the quality on full frame was better than APC even when cropping in. I would highly recommend the R7 as a beginner hybrid camera if you're comfortable with the current lenses but honestly with the EF adapter there isn't really any shortage of lenses

[@timovehkaoja]

Exactly, if you are ok with using the EF-RF adapter, there is no shortage of good lenses. The difficulties come with the RF lenses and the third party cinemalenses, like Sirui and 7Artisans. The R6mkII is a beast!

[@pcoussa]

There are actually lenses from other manufacturers for the RF mount. They're just not allowed to use the Canon autofocus system.

[@timovehkaoja]

Knew that too, but when you are thinking of a camera for a beginner, I wouldn’t recommend a Sirui anamorphic or 7artisans cinema lens as the first one.

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

@@timovehkaoja That's reasonable, though I use a TTArtisans RF 7.5 mm F\2 fish-eye for astrophotography, and I'm happy with the results. The depth of field on the fish-eye makes manual focus a breeze, and autoexposure works fine with aperture priority. It's not out of the question, even for an amateur.

[@UrbanPlumbers]

Peter McKinon looks rough these days

[@timovehkaoja]

Oh, how so?

[@Andriusb18]

:DDDDD I had same though

[@UrbanPlumbers]

@@Andriusb18😂😂😂

[@gmediaproductions]

I have my R7 camera over a year now and with the right lenses it is totally awesome and i would never be without it. It is so underrated but truly it is a beast. Best money I've ever spent 👌

[@timovehkaoja]

@@gmediaproductions it is! And lineup of Sigma lenses is a fantastic addition, saved the camera like completely!

[@FireImageFM1]

No I do understand some of the questions I have about the camera. I should just download the owner's manual even though I don't have it.

[@timovehkaoja]

I used to shoot with the 80D and it is awesome, just posted a cinematic video I made with it a while back before the switch. If you got any questions, just shoot, here to help!

[@FireImageFM1]

@@timovehkaoja So you know how the 80D Can control its abilities on the inside. Does that camera have the same options? Is this professional undone? Because I've been shooting with rebels. And my rebels never allowed me to control the camera like this camera does.

[@FireImageFM1]

@@timovehkaoja Like if I shoot raw pictures, I can edit my raw files inside the camera without even going to a computer on top of that. Like the auto focus, controls are so well. Put to where I can totally adjusted on what it looks at. How fast it shoots how fast it focuses. I mean, I really can customize this thing to do what I wanted to do and I just wanted to know if that R7 is similar or is it just like a rebel camera?

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

I think the "lack of third party lenses" issues is overblown. The argument seems to be that enthusiasts need budget options, and as an enthusiastic amateur I agree. That said, Canon has actually done an amazing job with its own budget line e.g. the RF 100-400 zoom, the F11 primes, the nifty fifty, etc in terms of both price and performance. Although I do use an L-series RF 100-500 for birds/wildlife, I otherwise depend on budget lenses. As long as I have access to a budget options, I don't really care if the lenses have "Canon" or "Sigma/Tamron" on the label. As to noise and low-light performance, modern sensors and de-noising software have relegated this issue to the past, at least for still photography. I admit that that the rolling shutter is a real concern, though easily avoided by shooting with the mechanical or first curtain electronic shutter (and I have no issue with the 15 fps maximum frame rate available in these modes). As for the IBIS wobble, I shoot weekly sports videos, and I have never seen anything as egregious as your example. If your footage is representative, I can understand your frustration, but I can't really explain why I've never seen anything comparable. Obviously, this represents just my opinion, but I just can't get heated up over the "third party lens" issue.

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, as it always goes, if you find good lenses for your photography, it is good. I personally don’t photograph birds or wildlife, so basicly my need for a telezoom ends at 150mm or 200mm. And f/11 for me is suuuper slow and I could never deal with that with my photography. The RF lineup lacks the Holy Triangle for APS-C sensor at f/2.8. That is something the Sigma already has, after they introduced the 10-18mm f/2.8. The only question is why Canon does not want to create f/2.8 lenses for their APS-C cameras? They also could make a 10-18mm f/2.8, an 18-50mm f/2.8 and a 50-150mm f/2.8 (which sigma already has btw). Modern denoise tools are amazing, but for someone who is just stepping into the game, introducing tools like Topaz or Lightroom might just turn them away. And that IBIS footage you saw was from R7 with EF-S 10-18mm. Real deal. It is not always that bad, but usually with handheld footage and 10mm focal lenght that is what you get.

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

@@timovehkaoja That's fair. The "long telephoto" lenses for birds/wildlife are really quite good, and even the "slow" apertures aren't as limiting as you might expect. After all, it was only a few years ago when my DSLR wasn't able to autofocus beyond F\8, which is no longer an obstacle with mirrorless tech.That said, my main lens for birding is the RF 100-500, which is most certainly not a budget option. It's lighter than the Tamron 100-400 Di VC and Sigma 150--600C that it replaced in my bag, the dual focus motors are accurate and responsive, the image stabilization works well with with R7 IBIS, and the image quality is spectacular. If you can manage the price, it's worth it IMO.

[@photobeast]

I have to honestly say that I have a love-hate relationship with this camera. I bought it when my R5 was out of commission for a few weeks from there I immediately found out when you shoot electronic shutter the banding is just terrible and then it went into autofocus issues. I do tons of wildlife photography especially things like eagles in flight. I tested the Sigma 150-600, the Canon 100-400 Mark ii, the Canon RF 100‐500, the Canon 500 mm F4, 800mm f11 and ALL the lenses came out with the same Focus issue. It focuses on the subject and then it focuses behind the subject in front of the subject and then back to the subject. After about a hundred fifty thousand images I was about to lose my mind until I watched a video from Duade Paton. He called Canon ans THEY ADMITTED the camera has this issue and eventually offered a firmware update that was supposed to help fix the issue but because it is apparently a hardware issue we'll have to wait for the MARK II.. I also own the R5 R6 Mark II R7 R8 and still have an RP that I only shoot KZbin videos with. I think for the price point I would definitely probably at this point get the R8. It has an AMAZING sensor, takes beautiful images and has a newer auto focus. The burst is 40fps and the banding is just not there like the R7. The only trade-off is you don't get the second card slot and you don't get the crop factor . But you do get way better low light capabilities as well as all the above things mentioned. The R7 was a real let down for me. All I can say is that is my personal experience. And I spend 12-hour days shooting these bodies back and forth across multiple lenses.

[@timovehkaoja]

Okay, wow, a monster of a comment! Thanks for taking the time to write it! Yes, Canon has indeed admitted that the R7 has an issue with the autofocus when shooting with the highest framerate on electronic shutter. Personally, it was not an issue for me, as I rarely used the 30fps drive mode, but what I have read about the subject is basicly unacceptable. About the R7 mk II coming, I have my doubts, and if it will come, it is going to be a few more years before it hits the market. They have many issues to resolve that the users of the R7 have pointed out (IBIS wobble, the 30fps AF issue, lack of battery grip to name just few). Also, which sensor are they gonna go with the mk II is still a question, so I would not be holding my breath, as the APS-C lineup is clearly not so important for Canon. R8 is a great camera for the price, but to me it felt like a toy as I was testing it out. Cheap feelin plastics, only one cardslot, no IBIS... It was not the camera for me. Out of the blue I don't remember what sensor it has, so can't say much about that atm. The R7 has it's issues, but then again, it is a 1500 dollar hybrid APS-C body, so for the price point you get a lot, but you need to know the limitations.

[@michajastrzebski4383]

is the Sigma 150-600 do well with the R5's AF as far as eye tracking goes? Im thinking of switching from 7D2 to R5, and if itmeans I can keep the sigma, it would be great :)

[@GerhardBothaWFF]

Bullshit. I use it extensively on EF 100-400 L ii and EF 500 L. With 0.71x and 1.4x converters also. You have to set up AF properly. I dont care about 3rd party lenses. I use old EF L. Sigma is crap.

[@christophermason7735]

I'm committed to canon as I have a 7Dii with a load of EFS and Sigma EF lenses. I will keep my 7Dii for rainy days but I'm seriously considering an R7. Primary reason is better Image stabilization and less dependant on tripod, focus bracketing doing macro, better exposure. I'm not interested in FF as weight and the size of FF lenses would be a massive issue as I need to travel light with a small volume of gear usually in a small shoulder bag. The 7Dii is heavy. Ive no issues using an EF-Rf adapter. And noise doesn't bother me as I have the original Topaz Denoise and DXO photolab 7 that does a brilliant job removing noise and lens distortions and softness correction from my budget lenses. That said I love my sigma 105 macro. It's ridiculously sharp. I really like all my sigma gear apart from the full frame weight and size that stops me taking it on certain trips. I really appreciate your helpful video. The R7 is certainly a lot more expensive here in the UK. We pay in £ what you guys pay in $. It's like 20% more expensive here. I nearly bought an R7 in Thailand's as it was £250 cheaper. Just the issue of no warranty so I didn't go for it.

[@timovehkaoja]

Wow, monster comment, thank you so much for taking the time! The 7D mk II is a phenomenal camera, but if you are switching to R7, I believe that even if you think you will keep the 7D in the loop, it will stay behind to collect dust pretty quickly.That is exactly what happened to me when I switched to mirrorless camera. The autofocus alone is sooooo much better and the quality the R7 produces is fantastic. That Sigma 105mm macro is also a great lens, that paired with the R7 will be amazing!

[@tuuchen2990]

R7 is a great wildlife / sports camera with the new RF telephoto stuff. But for a everyday camera, it's hard to recommend. If you have existing EF-S/EF lenses, then maybe, but if you are buying into a new system, there are manufacturers that have a wide native APS-C lens selection for everyday photography. For example MFT has a mountain of second hand fast cheap lenses, and no one can spot the difference between RF and Sigma ART (Fuji, L-mount, E-mount etc..).

[@timovehkaoja]

That is the hard part of buying Canon, which is sad, as the R7 is an amazing camera. And blocking the RF mount from third party cuts you away from lenses created by Sirui and 7artisans, which would be amazing to test out with R7, as the video capabilities are amazing.

[@JA_0143]

I bought the Canon EOS R7 last year and only use RF L glass with this camera and it’s a workhorse! I’ve never experienced any issues and it’s reliable. My main lens is the 14-35MM F/4 which personally I don’t mind F/4 L lenses because I mostly shoot landscape. I preordered the new 35MM F/1.4 lens and high will give me a “standard view” of about 56mm. I will eventually upgrade to full-frame in the future , but for now the R7 is my main camera.

[@timovehkaoja]

The 14-35mm f/4 is a magnificent lens 👍🏻 Happy that you like the camera, it is an awesome piece of gear!

[@eskrima1]

I’ve shot with this camera for almost a year. Mostly wildlife. The photos have a lot of noise so I have to process the pics with noise reduction software. The AF is not consistent but the workaround is not to shoot in high speed and make sure you have a lot of light. It’s a good camera for its price but it needs a new sensor.

[@timovehkaoja]

32,5 megapixels packed into an APS-C sensor surprisingly makes it noisy, and unfortunstely there really is no way to work around that. And this camera also has the same autofocus as rhe flagship EOS R3, so we are getting a LOT of goodies for that $1500.

[@eskrima1]

@@timovehkaoja yes I agree u do get a lot for the money but instead of using the 90d sensor they should have developed one faster so u could shoot high speed in raw enabling the AF to keep up. My work around the spotty AF accuracy is shoot CRaw in first curtain at 15fps. Hit rate went up a lot.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@eskrima1 new sensor would have popped the price up significantly from $1500 😕

[@eskrima1]

@@timovehkaoja agree it would be more but honestly I’d pay to get top performance in a crop sensor. So I just ordered a 6dmk2 to get better AF and IQ.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@eskrima1 That is the problem Canon has, they think that APS-C is for entry level use only. Same goes with RF-S lenses which just ridiculous underestimating of their users.

[@haciendadad]

I don't like the lenses issue and the wobble. So what other camera would you go with for something that is like the R7?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@haciendadad Sony A6700 is a solid choice also. The lens selection is signficantly wider. Although, after releasing this video, Sigma announced they are releasing some RF-S lenses, so that is good.

[@FireImageFM1]

Now, what then you didn't mention was if it overheats Because my camera never overheats. Next thing maybe you didn't touch on is how professional it could be. The 80D It's very professional in its settings. It's very professional and how you can control. It is very professional and whether you focus shootand release. The next one I'm looking for is the 90d and I'm close to getting it.

[@timovehkaoja]

I have never had the R7 overheat on me, even when making a live stream for over an hour straight. No issues and didn't even see warning on screen. 80D is an amazing camera, and the only thing it lack for me is the 4K 60fps. But for photography it is an absolute pro camera!

[@fy7589]

I don't have the Ibis wobble issue on the video. But I used it for video with RF 16mm 2.8 lens mostly. Never noticed any wobble but I had this camera for like 6 months now. Basically after you made this video. So perhaps it's the software updates that fixed that issue or it might be because of the lens doesn't have IS on it. And with my telephoto lenses that has IS, Not with the EF 70-300 IS II Nano USM, not with RF 100-400, not with RF 200-800, it's not also been an issue. So can't complain here.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@fy7589 there have been some firmware updates, but the IBIS wobble is most noticeable with 10-18mm focal lenght.

[@fy7589]

​@@timovehkaojayeah I don't own that lens but tbh, I love canon's colors. And I'm able to shoot the moon with the 100 400 + 1.4 extender handheld, very sharp. That's an impressive IS going on with there, I basically set the ibis on all the time. I go to concerts and shoot videos even with a samyang 85mm 1.4 af lens with no IS. And the footage is always stable. I believe you have bad luck with that zoom lens but I still can't say it's a deal breaker. I love this machine. It's definitely a wildlife camera. It does video but sony does it better. I'll definitely go with sony once they release an 8k 120 body for video. Canon now has the r5 mk2, with 8k 60, so sony has to do something to beat that. I'd wait for that.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@fy7589 if it works for you, there shouldn’t be no reason to switch :) for me, the IBIS wobble was a deal breaker, because I really can’t use that footage for client work.

[@photobeast]

Just wanted to add. I used to have that same Sigma 18-35 and it is amazing. I never tested it with the R7 as I have the Canon 16 to 35 and I didn't need it anymore. A company called Meike makes the ND Filter adapter EF to RF and its a BEAST for video.. its only $139 too.. the same as Canons basis lens and theres is $349 for the same thing.. i had it once and there is no image difference!!

[@timovehkaoja]

Meike has some quality control issues with their adapters, but the Canon original drop in VND adapter is a beast 😄

[@latinoamericandojapon9185]

Thanks for the video, very useful. Question: For you, the bad thing about the R7 is the limited variety of lenses. Would putting an adapter on it to use Canon APS-C lenses solve that problem? I ask because I have the 7D Mark II and lenses like the Tokina 11-16, 2.8 or the Sigma 18-35, 1.8. Thank you

[@timovehkaoja]

@@latinoamericandojapon9185 I used mainly EF-lenses with the R7, so using an adapter is not a huge problem. Just make sure to update the firmware of your lenses if possible, so the IBIS works in the best possible way. Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 ART as an example can be updated.

[@lipu.hossain]

nice review, that is the only reason i move from canon to sony,I love canon colors but the lens options are limited and expensive and didn't think it's feasible for me, hence camera is just a tool, no need to be fanboy if it doesn't fit your need.🙂

[@timovehkaoja]

Exactly! Camera is always a tool. And you choose the tool that fits your needs and ergonomics the best. And the funny aspect is, that after I tested Sony A7III, I kinda loved Sony colors more than Canon! And absolutely no need for the fanboy aspect!

[@Postosuchus]

If there's any truth to those rumors about a R7ii coming in 2024, I'd be first in line if they increase the the sensor readout speed; it may have been decent compared to it's peers at the time of release, but with competitors moving towards stacked sensors I'd love to be able to shoot in something the quality of 4KFine without the jello at every footstep or speedy pan, and not have the autofocus wandering because the sensor speed can't keep up with the lens's. Canon really needs to open up the mount too, though as a primarily wildlife shooter we do have plenty of native options at every budget!

[@timovehkaoja]

I highly doubt those rumors. Stacked APS-C sensor just doesn’t sound what Canon would do, especially when APS-C users seem to be like air to them. But yeah, the readout speed is also an issue. The wobble is just unbearable when making customer work.

[@martinwoody8094]

I studied film, but I didn't know much about cameras. I was worried about buying a camera, but your advice helped me a lot. I hope this camera will be a good thing for a few years or more

[@timovehkaoja]

Oh the R7 will serve you sooo well for years to come!

[@MariosAlevras]

At first I thought you were Peter hahah! and 2nd a few months later and sigma started to produce lenses RF! Respect for the video! Good work!

[@timovehkaoja]

@@MariosAlevras I get that a lot 😄 maybe we just look a bit too similar, even though Peter failed us and cut his hair again 😒

[@knofi7052]

You are absolutely right with everything you said. But I think, the Sony A7 is no good option when you need the additional reach of an APS-C for wildlife photography, though.

[@timovehkaoja]

A7IV has the Super35 mode for that.

[@knofi7052]

@@timovehkaoja Yes, but thatˋs just cropping with losing resolution…

[@timovehkaoja]

@@knofi7052 Yeah, which it has, 33mpix of it. You will still get great results using it. 👍🏻

[@destintrebmal5593]

I found the canon eos r7 with rf-s 18-150mm and rf 100-400 f/5.6-8 bundle for just under 2500 bucks My first camera, hope it works out.

[@timovehkaoja]

You’re gonna love it! Check out if you find this lens for it as an all arounder, it makes absolutely killer results with the R7! kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKKYp5ungrmenJI

[@destintrebmal5593]

@@timovehkaoja I’ll check it out, thanks!

[@mtmovies_official]

Nice video! Well done! I have a Canon R7. For videos...do you recommend deactivating the ibis function and stabilizing with davinci resolve? I don't have a gimbal....what advice can you give me? Thank you so much!

[@timovehkaoja]

Depends on the lens. If you are using a wideangle, you might get better results without the IBIS and then stabilizing in post. But if you use anything from 18mm to 150mm and more, IBIS is the way to go.

[@mtmovies_official]

@@timovehkaoja thanks! 🙏 I'd like to buy the new Rf-s 10-18mm....so I wanted to understand how to use Ibis.....

[@AGC_OUTDOOR]

its really hard why cannon stay a dont move to open the RF TO others brands its very big point to check for long time ago !!!! great job to show the reality i have the same camera and the best decision to coming from canon eos 80d,Canon Eos R7 PERFECT FOR MY OUTDOORS PHOTOS AND VIDEOS!!!

[@timovehkaoja]

I can think of no other explanation than money. They are selling their lenses for pro photographers, media businesses and hobbyists who have the budget to buy them. And with that, they are driving their old customers coming from 80D and 7D away. The R7 itself is a beast. A fantastic camera.

[@XiangLi-l8w]

I indeed heard many youtuber stated a lack of selection of Canon RF mount lens and their heavy cost. I wonder why not using EF adaptor, so that I can apply many old EF good lens as well as many third party lens. So is this really an issue? or did I miss anything. By the way, there will be sigma and Tamron lens for RF mount, maybe end of this year

[@timovehkaoja]

There is nothing wrong with using the old EF lenses with the adapter. But the old lenses in many cases are heavier, bigger and the new RF lenses have better optics as the lens is closer to the sensor. And pairing up a brand new, state of the art body with a 15 year old lens is like buying a new car but changing the 200,000 mile driven engine to it.

[@Decoii]

I have the sigma 18-35mm art lens already, but im using an old 700D. I think the R7 will be a great budget upgrade

[@timovehkaoja]

It will! You are going to love it!

[@potbtech]

Great video. I really love my R7. As far as for Sony they have very different prices in Europe than those they do in the US. Many of their bodies require expensive media, the control app is not as great as Canon's, the menus - not as intuitive, and there's some blue-ish tint in the skin tones. Some people enjoy the latter others don't. What Sony really have is immaculate influencer game. That's just undeniable.

[@timovehkaoja]

R7 is great, love it too and I have very little bad things to say about it. Sony prices in US are because of the taxes. Same goes with basicly every camera. Menu’s are not as good, but I think it is just a thing you get used to as you set your custom buttons etc. I personally prefer the Sony skin tones over the Canon’s greenish tint 😄

[@potbtech]

@@timovehkaoja Oddly, Canon and Panasonic prices for both bodies and glass are pretty consistent across the globe. When I asked the local Sony retailers, they said it is a Sony thing. When I turned directly to Sony, they said I should ask the local retailers, and this could have left a better first impression. As far as for the Canon tint, I don't pretend to have the most accurate perception, but to me it is more of a reddish. Haha. That's why I also like Lumix color science though not as much as Canon's. Regarding the RF glass, Canon could have done a better job, perhaps offering larger selection... or open the mount to third party manufacturers, like Sigma. Another, I'd add is that the internal ND adapter has a massive color shift, so you basically need the standard one too, as merely getting the transparent/glass attachment for it is totally impractical (IMHO) as they don't even offer a case for it. IMHO, Canon can really take notes from Sony's approach of offering photo and video centric variations of their bodies. An R7 with a fan, full-size HDMI, Log 2 and no Canon flaps would be something many people would actually buy. But it is what it is.

[@erikbrandsborg6532]

I totally agree with you on Canons hesitation to allow 3rd party RF glass, but you are wrong when you say there are ABSOLUTELY NO 3rd party lenses. I have the Samyang 14mm 2.8 RF and 85mm 1.4 RF. Unfortunately Canon closed down Samyangs RF line about two years ago, but the lenses still work beautifully on my R6 and R7, including the autofocus. I love these lenses, and they are still available on the second hand market.

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, the absolutely no lenses came from that there was none availble for purchase in any store, and finding them used was like looking for a needle in a haystack. But luckily we now have the Sigma lineup that is starting to roll to the shelves in July 👍🏻

[@oje101]

Timo. Thanks for your videos. They're great. And I am a subscriber. As a Canon r7 owner.. I'd like to ask. How do you mitigate the rolling shutter issue.. is it even an issue for you.

[@timovehkaoja]

Hi! Rolling shutter has not been an disturbing issue for me as when I was using the R7, I was mostly working with the mechanical shutter.

[@jdnone7222]

I had a question about the R7 if you could help? I bought Rode mics to attach to the camera wirelessly and it works great. Only problem is that the camera’s internal mic is still active and thus captures the white noise. I can’t figure out how to turn off the internal mic of the camera if it’s possible so that the only sounds I’m capturing are from the wireless mics.

[@timovehkaoja]

Which microphone are you using? :)

[@jdnone7222]

@@timovehkaoja I have a rode wireless go II and I’m also using neewer CM28 wireless

[@alexbormanbou]

Hi. Does the Ibis works fine with the sigma? I've heard that only RF lenses get the most out of that function. Thanks

[@timovehkaoja]

Yes it does. You need to update the firmware of the lens, but after that it works flawlessly. I have a video in which I bust the myth about choppy IBIS with the 18-35mm, check it here kzbin.info/www/bejne/bWPcpX5qo9l4g5Ysi=oSewqHPDoSaI7W3m 👍🏻

[@MosleydollMUA]

My sigma works perfectly with it

[@timovehkaoja]

@@MosleydollMUA you most likely have latest firmware 👍🏻

[@zegzbrutal]

With Sigma 18-50 avaliable now...And R7's prices is getting so cheap in my local dealers(950USD equiv.). I'm debating whether I should swap R7 with my R6....

[@timovehkaoja]

@@zegzbrutal it is coming! can’t wait to make a video for you guys! R6 is a good camera, but I prefer the R6 mk II at the moment 👍🏻 we are selling it here it in Finland for around $2000 right now if you include the Canon cashback!

[@toast2988]

I’ve heard many different things about the iso grain, some have said 3200 and 6400 iso has little to no grain, any experience with it for photos?

[@timovehkaoja]

ISO noise is present when shooting with high ISO. I shot a wedding party in a very dark room and was forced to use 6400 ISO and then it was clearly visible but not in a disturbing way. Then again, when I was shooting a solo guitar gig with high ISO on an R5, the high ISO grain looked worse for me. And the ISO noise can be reduced very nicely in LR these days, and if you have access to Topaz AI, even better. Just takes some work though.

[@PromoMoviescomau]

I don't use R7 for photos (I have full frame for this) and from a video point of view, I don't care about the third party glass, as I much prefer to use the Canon Variable ND adaptor with EF glass - which gives me 'kinda' built-in ND and cheaper EF L or Sigma ART Glass! I would have to put clunky screw in ND filters on the lenses, and just for this alone, I would not buy RF mount glass (unless for specific indoor low-light purposes).

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, the VND adapter is a huge bonus for this system.

[@PromoMoviescomau]

@@timovehkaoja and you are right about the Sigma 24-70 2.8 Art - it's a beast of a lens and my go-to lens.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@PromoMoviescomau yeah, it is an amazing piece of art :) and costs way less than RF 24-70.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@PromoMoviescomau Which camera you have for photos btw?

[@PromoMoviescomau]

@@timovehkaoja EOS R. Great for stills and good B Cam for video.

[@PhilippeDHooghe]

I own R7 for a year now, with RF-S 18-150. I also have RF 100-400, RF 28 f/2.8, EF 24-105 f/4 L and some vintage M42 lenses. I COMPLETELY agree with you. On every single point you mention. The R7 replaced my dead 40D and for indoor / family, the 15 year old 40D was better. The R7 misses AF focus all the time in low light. The noise throws off the dual pixel AF, I believe. The 40D has the traditional dedicated AF sensor and it nails focus every time, also in low light. If you shoot wildlife, the prime niche of the R7, it misses AF focus A LOT as soon as light is less than ideal. Canon also insists on making these useless dark lenses for RF-S, which makes NO SENSE AT ALL. I used the R7 with the full frame RF 28mm f/2.8 for street photography in Berlin in October 2023 and it did great. The RF 28mm f/2.8 is bright enough to make the R7 AF snap in focus. And it is the only lens I own that is sharp enough to not be the limitation on IQ: the limit with this lens is the pixel level at this 83.2 Mpix FF equivalent resolution, this is a really sharp lens as long as you don't shoot it wide open. I use it at f/5.6 or f/8 for street. What the R7 needs is RF-S ultra sharp and bright lenses. An RF-S 18-150 f/2.8 L is what this camera needs. But Canon won't make it. And won't allow anyone else to. Canon wants to push you to full frame, that is their strategy. And they succeeded with me: I got so frustrated with the R7 that I also bought the R8, while I never wanted to own two camera bodies. The R8 is absolutely fantastic and outperforms the R7 on every single photography aspect except wildlife. 24.2 Mpix is not enough for wildlife unless you buy stupidly expensive glass. That is where the R7 shines IF it was able to focus. The shocker: indoors even with a RF-S lens mounted on it, the R8 outperforms the R7 for family / party shots in practice. Even though it is "only" 9 Mpix cropped. The R8 + 28 mm f/2.8 is an absolute dream of a compact and light package making absolutely awesome street images for the price. I used it in Lisbon last month and it is shockingly good. The fuzz about needing 2 cards and a bigger battery... not for me. I never had a CF or SD fail on me (I'm 62) and I bought the R8 in a deal that included a second battery: I don't need more. I've had to use the second battery one day because I did not recharge the one that was in it and used all day the day before. If you are not a wildlife shooter, buy the R8, not the R7, that would be my advice. And while I do agree you are not looking for an expensive lens if you bought the R7 at that price point, I believe there is some nuance to it. Expensive glass keeps its value a lot better than a body. And with the R7 (or R8), you can still upgrade your package by pairing it with a fantastic lens, the body is more than good enough to handle it. That is perhaps another way of looking at it. And while Canon precludes RF native AF third party stuff, the EF / RF adapter works fine. Yes, it is a bit of extra bulk. But a Sigma 18-35 EF was never going to be compact anyway. At the same time, the Canon non-L RF primes like the 28, 35, 50 and 85 do a great job, are affordable and are as sharp as L's when stopped down a little.

[@timovehkaoja]

Wow, a monster of a comment, thank you for taking the time to write it! Appreacited! Yeah, same here, I don't understand why Canon insists on making absolutely useless RF-S lenses. It seems like they don't appreciate their APS-C user at all. Sigma has a full lineup of f/2.8 lenses, the 10-18mm f/2.8, 18-50mm f/2.8 and the older 50-150mm f/2.8 which are absolutely amazing, and they would complete the Holy Trinity set for APS-C, but Canon has no interest in making that. Stupid. I tested the R8 also, but I found the lack of IBIS bothering me, as it would have been otherwise a great camera for both, photo and video. But other than that it is a solid camera also on that price range, especially since it's full frame! I have had one SD card fail on me during the past 20 years of photography, and that was enough. When doing customer work like weddings or even just school projects that you can't replicate, I don't trust to shoot to one card only. One failure was enough. But think about it, Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 with this camera, with RF mount. That would be a dream lens. Or the 18-50mm f/2.8. But no.

[@PhilippeDHooghe]

Totally agree, again. I am not a pro shooting for money, I am an amateur at best. Primarily photo. On IBIS for video, I also understand since for you SONY did nail it. James Reader likes the R8 not having IBIS as he prefers it to the wobble of an IBIS you cannot turn off.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@PhilippeDHooghe Yeah, basicly I understand that, if it doesn’t work in the way you like it, you don’t need it. R8 is in every other way an amazing camera, just didn’t suit my needs as I am more video oriented these days than photo oriented.

[@thepuppetsstuffsreviews6569]

I got a Fujifilm x-t10 it not working well so i was planning a new camera and i am looking at canon i wanted to know is the Canon r7 actually good to buy?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@thepuppetsstuffsreviews6569 R7 is a good buy 👍🏻 especially now that Sigma started making RF-S lenses 👍🏻

[@MOVIE-BOYS0]

i wanted to get an camera, and looked into the eos r7, i do short films with my friends, and we wanted to take it to the next step, so i was wondering if i could use it for cinematography?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@MOVIE-BOYS0 Absolutely! You can check the videos I havw made with it from my channel 👍🏻

[@Chris_Wolfgram]

Well I love / hate my R7's :) lol I have two of them. For my purposes, mostly small, skittish birds, where reach is my #1 priority, I really just don't have much choice. I guess if "both" of my R7's failed... or got stolen or something, I'd "have to buy another one" but that would be a bummer if I had to do that before the R7 Mk II came out. I'm SO hopeful that will address MANY issues with this camera... Focus pulsing, no battery grip, rolling shutter because of slow readout speed, etc. But again, if you need a lot of reach, its not just the best choice, but pretty much, the only choice. except maybe Olympus, with the OM1 + the new 150-600 (1200mm eq) At least the lens for small birds is an easy choice. The 200-800 is the Holy Grail. Just good luck getting one :( 8 months since the release, and Canon still can't get them to everyone who wants one :(

[@timovehkaoja]

@@Chris_Wolfgram I am hoping for Canon (or Sigma) to create that decent telezoom designed for crop frame sensors. Think about it of Sigma would come out with a 150-600mm designed for the R7. That would be an instant hit! But I don’t think Canon allows it. Getting rid of the rolling shutter would require an all new sensor, and I am not sure if they are working on things like that. One can hope, but my hope ain’t too high for the R7 mk II. Which is sad.

[@nbroadsman]

The R7 with the EF-RF adapter (or better still the Control ring EF-RF adapter which gives you full control ring functionality on any old lens) gives you access to almost every EF and EF-S mount lens ever made, from Canon and third party manufacturers, in the last 30+ years which must surely give you the biggest range of lenses at all prices with massive amounts available, some at incredibly cheap prices, on the secondhand market. I don't think there is such a range, so readily available, for any other brand. Added to that the range of RF and RF-S lenses is growing all the time. You can't blame Canon for wanting to make some return on the huge investment in introducing the RF mount and associated technology/intellectual property rights before opening up the flood gates to third party manufacturers or wanting to avoid the risk of third party lenses not fully functioning or focussing properly so damaging Canon's reputation (and we have seen other camera manufacturers sell off divisions with uncertain futures due to unprofitability and I would prefer Canon to be there for the long haul so I have an upgrade path in future). It would also preclude Canon from making any initial amendments to the way the mount works as it matures as no doubt the same people clamouring for 3rd party lenses would be up in arms if their third party lenses stopped working properly if Canon made amendments which could only be accommodated by their own mechanisms. The Canon R7 is a brilliant camera for the price and I am very happy with mine as I knew what I was buying and what the limitations might be (and for me the strengths outweighed any weaknesses) and I was prepared to accept that for the reasonable price I paid. There will obviously be people who have different requirements (e.g. low light or video specialists) and for whom the R7 will not be the best choice but as always you need to decide what your needs and priorities are and buy the camera that most suits your needs for a budget you can afford. As for high ISO noise, personally shooting in RAW and using DXO Photolab Elite with the fantastic DeepPRIME XD noise reduction software I don't really have concerns about high ISO and I have perfectly acceptable wildlife photos taken in poor light at ISO 16,000.

[@timovehkaoja]

Okay, first of all, thanks for the monster of a comment! It has to be the longest I have ever had for any of my videos! Firstly, yes, the EF and EF-S lineup is awesome. But now we are talking about RF mount lenses. As said in the video, if you are okay with the EF mount and using EF lenses, that is good. But when we compare the older Canon EF lenses, there are some which cannot handle the resolution of the R7's sensor. Canon EF 17-40mm f/4L as a good example. It just was not good enough for the R7, which is why I ended up selling it. The 32,5 megapixel APS-C sensor is a VERY DEMANDING sensor when it comes to the lenses. That is why the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 ART works so well on the R7, since it was specially designed for APS-C sensor. I am not blaming Canon for for making return on their invest, I am blaming them for not taking care of their APS-C customers and not creating lenses that are actually GOOD for their APS-C sensor. Sigma has a full lineup of lenses for APS-C cameras with different mounts, Sony being one. A while back I asked people what lenses they use for vlogging with APS-C cameras and the Sigma 10-18mm f/2.8 had just came out. Why can't Canon do something like that? Why can't Canon create the holy trinity for crop APS-C? Think about it, RF 10-18mm f/2.8 for 900 dollars, 18-50mm f/2.8 for 900 dollars and 50-150mm f/2.8 for 900 dollars. Why isn't this happening? They have the tools, the ability and the users for those lenses. But as it seems, Canon either does not care about their APS-C users or they think they are not serious enough to create dedicated lenses to. And BTW, Sigma has that lineup, just not for RF because Canon. That is why I am upset that Canon does not release their RF mount even for creating APS-C lenses. And also, Canon is not responsible if the 3rd party lenses work with their mount or not. Same goes with the EF mount and 3rd party adapters. I am super happy that you have been pleased with the R7, as have I. It is a beast of camera and as a hybrid APS-C it still is absolutely amazing!

[@seanpeavideo]

Whats wrong with just buying the adapter ?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@seanpeavideo The adapter itself. The fact that I would be using a technically high end camera body, but crippling it with lenses that do not match the capabilities of the body.

[@Ladybug_is_my_Dog]

I just got an EOS R7 and I wouldn’t trade it for anything except the r5; Better megapixels, by a wide margin, better auto focus , Also by the way I have the sigma 35mm ART :) wonderful lens I’ve gotten some great shots

[@timovehkaoja]

@@Ladybug_is_my_Dog Sigma ART series lenses are absolutely fantastic❤️

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

As someone whos been using Canon since 2000 its hard to reconmend the RF mount, 3rd party lens drive inovation for 1st party, stay away from Canon and go Sony E or Nikon Z if you got the money

[@timovehkaoja]

I am starting to lean to the same opinion.

[@David_Quinn_Photography]

@@timovehkaoja I have also been thinking Fujifilm, I use APS-C but I like a whole host of options for my gear.

[@retouthugues4921]

Thank your for this very interesting vidéo. Do you think the canon 17-55 f2.8 is a good enough lens for this camera ? Cause i have it and a 550d and i was thinking about taking this r7.

[@timovehkaoja]

Wait for the Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8. It is going to be the best lens for the R7 in midrange. It should hit the stores around July with a price of around $600. 👍🏻

[@retouthugues4921]

@@timovehkaoja thank you, i didn't know, it's great 👍 !!

[@timovehkaoja]

@@retouthugues4921 My pleasure, here to help 👍🏻

[@19ab59]

Hi Timo, I've the R6 M1 with the RF100-400 but I miss some extra reach for wildlife and can't afford the expensive RF lenses like the 100-500. I tried the 1.4 extender but wasn't happy with it. How are your thoughts about trading the R6 for the R7? Thanks in advance. Greetz Ab

[@timovehkaoja]

If wildlife is your game, then the R7 is a very good camera. With the 32mp crop sensor you are gonna be super happy when it comes to reach, as you have loads of megapixels to work with in post.

[@19ab59]

@@timovehkaoja Thanks for your swift reply Timo. Well wildlife is just of one of the many things I tend to take pictures of. Just for hobby you know. I've compared my R6 to the R7 in a shop and what holds me back the most are the physics of the R7. Especially the small buttons, the viewfinder also lacks compared to the R6. I think I'll wait for now hoping Canon will introduce a R7 II. Keep up the good work ✌

[@timovehkaoja]

@@19ab59 The ergonomics of the R7 took some time for me too to learn, but once i did, it felt sooo good in hand 😄

[@wailinaungfilms]

what if we use only EF mount lenses?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@wailinaungfilms By all means. The adapter is still a very useable tool, as are the old EF lenses. But the thing that gets me is using old designs of lenses on a technically advanced camera body. The RF lenses are designed for the mirrorless lineup, so they are smaller, sharper and in many ways better. The only thing killing them is the cost and the fact there is no serious RF mount alternative available (ie. Sigma, Tamron).

[@Aubreyn777]

I will get this in the fall cuz sigma is finally dropping lenses for the rf mount this fall 🙌🏽

[@timovehkaoja]

Good choice! The Sigma lenses are amazing!

[@alexcreation7877]

Viltrox Speed booster currently unavailable in india it make canon r7 into full frame make a video on it

[@timovehkaoja]

Can you get the Canon original? It is always better to have the original from Canon than third party, when it comes to accessories like this.

[@doublahh]

I don't understand what's the big deal. Simply buy the mount for your old lens, problem solved. Is there a huge difference in the quality of the shots?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@doublahh The problem is using old lenses with new, high resolution cameras. It is like buying a 2024 car with an engine from the 80’s.

[@Ladybug_is_my_Dog]

@@timovehkaojasometimes engines were made better in the 80s

[@timovehkaoja]

@@Ladybug_is_my_Dog some of them, yes. But not all of them.

[@FireImageFM1]

Bro, I'm sticking to my.80d Just for the reason that you said the lands are expensive, even though the camera could be a Beast, the lenses are expensive. Men, and then you gotta get AEF mount to even put any other old man's his owner. It's just not worth it. I'm just taking great pictures. Great video with the device I got. And some people need the latest text. Some people chase the latest technology. I don't the latest technology I just chased. Is the 80D.

[@timovehkaoja]

You don't need to chase the latest tech. The R7 was my first camera I bought new since my first DSLR, which was the Nikon D50 back in... I don't even recall. All others have been second hand an never the newest of the new. 80D is still a relevant camera for photography and if you are happy with the images, there is no need to switch.

[@FireImageFM1]

@timovehkaoja I never really realized that nikon has a 1.5 crop factor, and we have a 1.6. So we have a smaller sensor.

[@FireImageFM1]

@timovehkaoja But the funniest thing about the entire idea. He said that no one is gonna look at your picture and say. Hey, you took that with APC camera. And so that didn't you know so shooting with a full frame or APC camera? Really? It makes a difference when you want a print. Not when you just want good images is all about printing it out. That's what you look for resolution. What's my 80DI became a news journalist.

[@marvinlovenfeldt]

There are plenty of third party lenses, just not autofocus and not from Sigma and Tamron. Manual lenses from strange Chinese brands. I love my R7 with Canon RF 70-200 f4 L and Sigma 18-35 f1.8 art. Also have Canon RF 50mm f1.8 STM and Canon EF-S 17-55. Meike adapter with drop in filters.

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, but when recommending a lens for a beginner, my first choice would not be Sirui anamorphic or 7artisans cinema lens. But of there was a Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 or Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 for the RF with autofocus, even I’d buy it.

[@maxfufree]

Video fantastico! In 13 minuti hai detto alla perfezione tutto ciò che c'è da dire su questa fotocamera e su Canon! Sono pienamente d'accordo, e molti come me vorrebbero comprare questa fotocamera ma il limite sono le lenti! Grazie 👍🏻

[@timovehkaoja]

Ciao! Grazie mille per aver guardato! Per fortuna, Sigma ha appena annunciato le loro nuove lenti per le fotocamere Canon APS-C come la R7, e c'erano alcune lenti incredibili in quell'annuncio! Non vedo l'ora di testare il Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 e le lenti fisse f/1.4!

[@GCSTRADE09]

I'm here for the new VR lens.

[@FireImageFM1]

However, I'm not taken from you with you. I'm not adding to your VI like your review. I'm glad you told me more about it. I appreciate your review. You're an awesome dude.

[@timovehkaoja]

Thanks for the kind words! Means a lot!

[@patrickalix7751]

Meme constat. J'ai acheté le kit EOS R7 / RF-S 18-150MM (bague d'adaptation offerte) dès sa sortie. l'achat suivant d'occasion a été le Sigma18-35mm f1.8 ART. J'ai trouvé d'occasion un EF 50MM F1.8 STM. J'adore la polyvalence et la qualité prix du R7. Maintenant j'attends des lentilles Sigma en monture RF. les objectifs Canon RF sont trop chers. Same observation. I bought the EOS R7 / RF-S 18-150MM kit (free adapter ring) as soon as it was released. next used purchase was the Sigma18-35mm f1.8 ART. I found a used EF 50MM F1.8 STM. I love the versatility and value for money of the R7. Now I'm waiting for Sigma lenses in RF mount. Canon RF lenses are too expensive.

[@timovehkaoja]

Thanks for the french-english comment! I can use this when I start studying french! 😄 right no all I manage is bonjour and la petit croissant, but I’ll get there 😄 The 18-35 & 50 is an amazing combo for the cost and teach a lot about photography. I hope they roll out the Sigma RF lenses and that the lenses are actually lenses that make sense. The Canon RF lenses are just waaaay too expensive. Getting the holy trinity (15-35 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8) is like $8500. Ridiculous.

[@jeradam2]

C'est mort pour l'annonce d'objectifs sigma en monture RF non ?

[@JDPM93]

2 months later, canon opens R mount to third party, so now is almost a perfect camera for 2024.

[@timovehkaoja]

Already making an updated version of this video! 👍🏻

[@andrewkunyev5243]

Hi Timo. Great video. I am thinking between R8 and R7 for real estate photography and also family, birds, sport. I really like R7 buy I worry about it slow light performance. So I would like to ask you, if I am going to use R7 on a tripod at low ISO but long shutter speed, will the images be still noisy? And I am not looking to do multiple exposures blending. Thanks

[@timovehkaoja]

Hi! If you are looking for a camera for real estate photos, you will need to buy a wide angle lens. For R7 there is the RF-S 10-18mm or the EF-S 10-22mm or EF-S 10-18mm. The EF-S lenses require the EF-RF mount. Few weeks ago I did real estate photography with the R7 and the EF-S 10-22 with no additional light (because the power was cut from the apartment), using tripod and bracketing mode with long shutter speeds, and the images turned out beautiful. The long exposure brings some noise, but not nearly as much as higher ISO would bring. If you are thinking about the R8 for real estate, it will work fine, but for that one also you will need a wideangle lens, which cost way more money for fullframe cameras. From the RF lineup you are looking for lenses like 15-35mm f/2.8 or 14-35mm f/4. EF lineup offers 16-35mm f/2.8 also, and if bought secondhand, they are going to be considerably cheaper.

[@rogergong8672]

You can get and use any cheap Sigma lens with the RF adapter!!!!! Work get!!! It’s stupid to not buy a Canon R series because no 3rd party lenses!!!all my EF L-series lenses works great on my R7!!!

[@timovehkaoja]

I hope you didn't use all the exclamation marks for that comment. It is not stupid to concider some other brand because Canon is withholding the RF mount. It would be stupid not to. Canon has not made any good RF-S lenses, whereas Sigma has 10-18mm f/2.8, 18-50mm f/2.8 and 50-150mm f/2.8, all specificly designed for the APS-C cameras. Not to mention the 18-35mm f/1.8 ART. But none of them are available for the RF mount, because Canon doesn't create lenses like that. And no one said that EF-lenses don't work well. If you are happy using them with the adapter, be my guest. In this video I was talking about RF lenses, and I didn't even mention the cinemalenses from 3rd party like Sirui and 7artisans. Canon is shooting themselves in the leg.

[@NECPER]

Thanks for sharing.

[@timovehkaoja]

Pleasure all mine 👍🏻

[@transcendcapitalism]

wow it's so much more expensive now. has inflation really been that crazy in the last year? i thought it was slowing down

[@timovehkaoja]

@@transcendcapitalism Quality lenses have always been expensive. The price of R7 has been hanging around $1500 since its announcement.

[@transcendcapitalism]

@@timovehkaoja after i typed this i realized that you had just been showing the price for the body when i had that reaction, and it's actually still the same! just my R7 and it's arriving today. really excited

[@andyuong91]

Really enjoy my R7 even I don't have those L lenses :D

[@timovehkaoja]

@@andyuong91 So did I. Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 ART is a beast with this camera.

[@dr.chungusphd108]

I bought one 2 days ago.

[@timovehkaoja]

Awesome! Have you liked it?

[@dr.chungusphd108]

@@timovehkaoja oh, I ordered it online, it gets here tomorrow. I’ve been watching KZbin videos nonstop since Monday. Any recommendations on a book for beginners photography?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@dr.chungusphd108 you don’t need books. 👍🏻 Just learn three things: Shutter speed, aperture and ISO. They are the three most important things. Then just set the camera to aperture priority mode and you are good to go 👍🏻 if you want any advice, don’t hesitate to ask, here to help!

[@AntHolmesImages]

Never understand the complaints about third party lenses, you don't have to buy a Canon R series camera. Buy another brand. I've used Canon cameras for 40 years and went mirrorless but accepted that if I wanted RF lenses they are more expensive. Great Post by the way. Cheers. 👍

[@timovehkaoja]

@@AntHolmesImages Yeah, it is a matter you just have to accept. However, for some users it is a huge thing, as ie. Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L costs $2500 and Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 ART is $1400. Luckily they now allowed Sigma to fill in the gaps of the APS-C lenses, the 18-50mm f/2.8 is a huge improvement to the Canon 18-45mm f/4,5-6,3.

[@AntHolmesImages]

@@timovehkaoja agreed about the pricing and as you say some third party lenses are better suited to the users personal application. I actually only use the still image side of the camera and did attempt to use my EF heritage lenses but I found the RF lenses superior (certainly in my application for wildlife so large telephoto or primes). All the best, great content. 👍

[@quang5DCameras]

Buy a DSLR Legendary 5DMKII or/and 7D, 7DMKII instead. Much better build quality, better battery life and No issue with lenses choices. Problem solve.

[@timovehkaoja]

Video capabilities don’t match my requirements 😞 and I have 5DmkII.

[@indago1]

This video didnt age well since Sigma and Tamron announcement :D

[@timovehkaoja]

Tell me about it 😄 but I am already making an update video on the subject!

[@mightygame9944]

This is jared photo music man!

[@timovehkaoja]

Oh, I’m terribly sorry, I don’t watch his videos that often.

[@joaovtaveira]

3:39 so what?

[@timovehkaoja]

If you have the money to spend, nothing. But I don’t recommend using the R7 body if you have the money to buy a fullframe body.

[@joaovtaveira]

@@timovehkaoja you didn't understand what I meant. My point is, what's the problem of using R cameras with RF to EF/EF-S Adapter; is do ant It works great.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@joaovtaveira There is no problem, other than the fact that you are using old technology with modern technology, having to use an adapter. And the only reason we have to do that is Canon not creating affordable lenses for the cropframe cameras and keeping the price of L-series lenses super high. Lucky for us, Sigma just announced the lenses for crop frame sensor.

[@joaovtaveira]

But I agree with you about the problem of Canon not realising the RF mount for others.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@joaovtaveira Luckily we now got Sigma lenses coming for the R7 👍🏻

[@ImportanteCreations]

At first, I thought you are Peter Mckinon😂

[@timovehkaoja]

@@ImportanteCreations I guess Peter looks a lot like me these days then 😄

[@ImportanteCreations]

@@timovehkaoja Yeah! but you have your unique version and I love you videos bro! keep it up.

[@mbismbismb]

15-35? such a small focal length, distortions are everywhere hahaha why would ppl want that lens? youtube?

[@timovehkaoja]

Because it is good for landscapes in the wide end and does good portraits at 35mm.

[@mbismbismb]

@@timovehkaoja potraits in 35mm still gives u distortion though... its not even flattering

[@timovehkaoja]

@@mbismbismb With 15-35mm on R7? Umm, nope, if you turn on distortion removal from your camera and fix it on LR?

[@mbismbismb]

if the correction is turned on, there will be crop on the edges of the image@@timovehkaoja

[@mbismbismb]

i think for landscape its ok to use a wide prime lens @@timovehkaoja

[@dimitrimoonlight]

Camera selección no1 reason is what lens wants to use.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@dimitrimoonlight Absolutely.

[@shayzohar9078]

So buy Sony, but you need you know .. On 3party lenses in Sony , shit don’t work , ibis not working good , 50% of the body technology are locked and auto focus working slower.. you want them ? Buy Sony lens …so don’t buy the Sony story fast.. and the colours are stupid like the camera 90% of times give you nice colours and for some reason some times shot orange and yellow skin tones.. why? No one really knows..

[@timovehkaoja]

@@shayzohar9078 What I have used, shit does work. I have been using multiple Sigma lenses with zero issues. The Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 ART II has the fastest autofocus I have ever seen. I also tested side by side the Sony 85mm f/1.8 and Viltrox 85mm f/1.8, and Viltrox beat Sony hands down. I am terribly sorry if you do not like third party lenses, but that really is not my problem. I love my Sigma lenses.

[@SamA-kl6pi]

The lack of third party is a good thing. First off this camera isn’t for beginners. Think about all the lens related problems you hear about the rf mount cameras, how many of them are third party related? And how many of them are canon ef/rf related? The more I hear horror stories about third party lenses havin issues including my own tamron g2 glass problems, the more I commend cannon for their decision. I’m gettin rid of all my third party glass and getting/adapting RF/ EF Lglass. Canon doesn’t need people buying comprimised glass,having problems, and blaming the lens mount. People that have a problem should just jump ship. Ef glass works damn near flawlessly

[@SamA-kl6pi]

Also to say the “best lens” is a sigma lens the question is “best” for who? I have that lens, I love it, but I almost never use it. It’s a big heavy pig, I prefer my ef 16-35 f4l is usm of the efs 17-55 f2.8. Because you get phenomenal, factory supported, literally cinema quality glass, stabilization, and the iso noise is good up to 12800, for the same weight.

[@timovehkaoja]

Err, thanks for your opinion, but no it is not. The R7 is a semipro camera body which is perfect for beginners also, as the beginner photographer doesn’t need to get frustrated with the limitations of buying a cheaper camera. I made a video on this matter also. ”Think about all the lens related problems you hear about RF mount cameras, how many of them are third party related?” Errr, none, because there are very few 3rd party RF lenses? It is like asking how many traffic incidents unicorns cause every year. Not every third party lens can be perfect or enev function with the new R-series cameras, but you need to remember that they were not designed for mirrorless cameras. And no, not all Canon EF lenses don’t work flawlessly either with R-series.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@SamA-kl6pi f/4 vs f/1.8, needs no explanation. R7 is an APS-C body, so it needs all the light. And the bokeh and background separation is better. And I am sorry to crush it, but EF 17-55 f/2.8 is far from cinema quality. It is a good lens, yes, but far from cinema quality.

[@goldenfrog6EsCoSes]

The solution is simple: buy a 90D.

[@timovehkaoja]

It doesn’t support CLOG3.

[@goldenfrog6EsCoSes]

@@timovehkaoja Well, there is that, but do you really need it?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@goldenfrog6EsCoSes CLOG3? For customers works, yes.

[@zegzbrutal]

No. Sigma 18-50 f2.8 is out. R7 is absolutly viable for mid-low budget.

[@timovehkaoja]

@@zegzbrutal Hear hear!

[@mrdamiansingh]

No autofocus, get it right

[@timovehkaoja]

There is AF on Canon EOS R7. And a good one.

[@mrdamiansingh]

@@timovehkaoja no autofocus third party lol that’s what I meant! But great review

[@timovehkaoja]

@@mrdamiansingh Ah, well there are some lenses that have it, and hopefully the amount is only going to increase 👍🏻 right now I think Sirui has some cinelenses that have AF, but like with Sigma and such ”normal” lenses, the options are very limited. Was it Viltrox or Samyang that reverse engineered the RF mount for their 85mm f/1.8 but got quickly shut down by Canon.

[@allstarpeppa]

Petter Mckinnon from timu

[@timovehkaoja]

@@allstarpeppa Who is Petter Mckinnon?

[@allstarpeppa]

@@timovehkaoja search him up, awesome photography youtuber

[@InnovativeVideoCreations]

Just a light! Your clearly not trained in lighting

[@timovehkaoja]

What?

[@praetorian3571]

There are better cameras out for the money, the value proposition is not there with the Canon R7. I would look into Sony or Fujifilm, they have better offering.

[@timovehkaoja]

It depends on what are you looking for. The main competition of the R7 is the Sony A6700, which wins because of the better lens selection. The R7 wins with faster FPS (15fps with mechanical vs. 11 of the A6700) and with decent EVF instead of the one in Sony.

[@mbismbismb]

never mind canon doesnt need u as well lol

[@timovehkaoja]

Yooou are gonna have to clarify that comment a little?

[@angeloplayforone]

Regarding your first point about third party lenses, please not base ANY advice rumors. Rumors are generated by everyone. Canon wil not release any third party. Second point about lowlight in APS-C . If you want to compare do not use Canon, Nikon or Sony who doesn’t care for APS-C. Go to Fuji and there you will see a manufacturer who take APS-C. Third, if you are talking about stabilization have you tried Panasonic S5IIx? If you want to advise people about please ge out of Canon and Sony church and test other brands like Panasonic. Muy I advice for a beginner who is a hybrid shooter check the Panasonic cameras for video. Open Gate recording. Pro Res, output RAW in Blackmagic RAW and ProRes RAW.

[@timovehkaoja]

Yeah, none of advice was based on rumors. Like I said, rumors have been around since 2019 and we’ve been waiting for years. As stated, we MIGHT have some lenses from Sigma, no one knows if, when or if ever. APS-C can never be as good in low light as a fullframe, that is a technical fact, not an opinion. Smaller sensor, less light. On this video I talked about the IBIS of Canon and the stabilization of Sony. And that was there to make people concider other options. As I have no experience with shooting Panasonic, I can’t offer any recommendations about them. Thanks for your comment 👍🏻

[@photobeast]

I would never buy Panasonic. If I gave up with Canon and I would go to Sony or Nikon. They did make decent ghetto blasters back in the 80s though.. also how are you supposed to make reviews on all these cameras if you don't own them. Who's supposed to pay for that?

[@timovehkaoja]

@@photobeast I work at a camera store from where I can borrow equipment for testing an review purposes 👍🏻

[@angeloplayforone]

@@photobeast Depends what you shoot with your camera. If you are still shooter then every camera is great. If you are a hybrid shooter or more video focused then Panasonic gives you a lot of features for the money. Also their S line of FF lenses are based for the video shooter. Canon does not give you internal Prores recording, all I codec, many different framerates, Open Gate recording, 4:2:2 10 bit recording, recording to SSD in all their under 2000 USD camera. Something that Sony and Canon are not doing.

[@m4rcin847]

Fuji is garbage, asking ridiculous money for what they cameras has to offer. Same with lenses, they care so much for APSC and there are 10 times more glass for Sony APSC who doesnt give a fuck? What are you smoking? Also Canon 3rd party - do I have to say anything? I agree with Panasonic - best on the market if video is your main focus.

[@steftech.visuals]

I wondered same things as you about my R7 ( I have only canon EF-S lenses : 18-55, 24mm, 50mm, 10-22mm ) … sometimes I wan sell all my gears to buy one Sony camera … did u try it with a speed booster ?? ( especially for the low light problem as an APSC )

[@timovehkaoja]

And the fact that we have waited for the third party lenses ever since Canon EOS R was introduced is just unbelievable. I believe Samyang tried making a lens for the RF mount but they quickly got overrun by Canon. I have not tried the speedbooster, as I have managed to work with the R7 in low light. The times I have wished I had a fullframe (like the R6) can be counted with fingers of one hand.

[@AndreSjoberg]

Soooooo, Canon is the Apple of the camera space then ;) I have the weirdest hangup with Canon Cameras, I’ve tried using them, but the Av and Tv thingy throws me off for some reason, so I’ve gone from photography with a nikon (20 years ago) to wanting a sony camera, and I have no idea why, only that I don’t like the Tv and Av on the canon dial, which is just the worlds silliest reason - sometimes I don’t understand how my brain works

[@timovehkaoja]

@@AndreSjoberg I just park to Av for about 93% of the time 😄 I don’t know if Canon is the Apple of camera world but I know that they are making one of the stupidest decision of the camera world by withholding the RF mount 😒

[@AndreSjoberg]

@@timovehkaoja Yeah it’s really weird how they’ve just shut the barnyard doors and pulled up the ladder on the RF mount - however, I read an interesting article about the timings of the release of the rf mount and how, based on all delays happening during covid both in terms of developement and manufacturing it might have delayed the introduction of third party lenses purely from a) the time it takes to actually develope lenses (especially something as complex as what the rf lenses are in terms om tech/connectivity to the camera +++) and b) a company introducing a new standard do so in secrecy, so they do the bodies and lenses in advance, secretly, and release it onto the market, and then, for a certain period of time they need to make as much money as possible to cover back the research and developement costs by being the only ones to offer bodies and lenses. Then, as the new mount is released to the public they *start* the process of vetting and approving third party manufacturers (to ensure quality control) that vetting process, as well as the third parties developement process, probably started smack dab in the middle of the pandemic) - my guess is that this might have affected the announcement of third party partnerships, approvals and upcoming products in developement in a *big* way, this makes a lot of sense and might explain why we are now hearing rumours about sigma announcing *something* pretty soon :)

[@AndreSjoberg]

@@timovehkaoja As for the Tv /Av, I know I would probably do manual, or Av mode for photo most of the time, but … I don’t know what it is, just seeing that Tv (Time value) thing on the switch makes my brain itch, and I *know* it’s just stupid, but I can’t shake it, my brain just goes *nnnnngh* - but we’ll just have to wait and see, the R7 body is a *really* good price, but both that and the potential sony I’m looking at, the a6700, are out of reach for at least a year, so who knows what’ll be available when I’m ready to pull the trigger on something, the iPhone 15 will have to do for a while longer for videos and the trusty old nikon d7100 for photo’s :)