The B is the sweet spot IMO for space trucking. Nice stats and a great price.
@gyratingwolpertiger68512 жыл бұрын
It's the king for solo hauling.
@UnknownSquid8 жыл бұрын
Wondering if contrary to part of that official warning, the smaller haulers will actually be the preferred targets for pirates. Think about it. A squadron of pirate fighters, based from a Caterpillar (for example) see a Hull-E. Assuming they can defeat it, there's a huge amount of loot to be had, but more likely than not it's going to be carrying huge volumes of the least valuable least processed materials. No one is going to be flying all around on a 1000 stop trading run, picking up and selling individual high value containers at each stop. The starting capital required to fill up a super tanker with high-end goods, weaponry, and rare limited availability resources, will be infeasible. And likewise, there's not going to be demand or customers enough for that bulk of high value products in one trip. Combined with the higher risk of attacking a larger ship, pirates aren't going to be interested in trying to load up for a thousand separate low reward cargo runs to fence their loot. A Hull-A or B, or a Freelancer however... Those are the players that aren't going to be able to make any profit hauling small quantities of bulk basics. They're the ones that will be freighting high end gear, weaponry, rare resources, and special packages. The kinds of cargoes that pirates may not even need to sell off to benefit from. They're also the kind both easier to take down, and that won't have high enough profit margins per run to afford hiring escorts. And attacking them is much less likely to receive the undue attention and wrath of a larger player organisation. TL;DR... You Freelancer pilots keep an eye on your wing mirrors. You've likely picked the fun ship that everyone will assume is on a secret mission to smuggle the fun things.
@plasticdeath314 жыл бұрын
That's a good point, unless the pirates are able to actually steal the whole ship rather than just nicking the cargo. Stealing a Hull E whatever it was carrying would be a very very good haul.
@schrodingersgat43442 жыл бұрын
Excellent observations, from both of you. I'd add: Human beings are dangerous. Make sure you KNOW your crew mates. Maintain pleasant working environments, etc. Never know how boredom and greed might mix.
@gyratingwolpertiger68512 жыл бұрын
Those ships will also be far harder to detect and spend a lot less time loading and unloading goods.
@yous2244 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I bought this game 3 months ago and can't imagine that someone actually played this game 6 years ago 😅
@matthewbadger86854 жыл бұрын
Get the type E, never load it with cargo, convert it into an exploration vessel. Imagine the power provided by those engines. I could see a scifi TV program being made, where a plucky type E crew challenges an encroaching alien threat using the unparalleled speed of that thing.
@Gnollface7 жыл бұрын
I like your attitude in these older videos... 2015: "If you're pledging, 200 $ is a lot for a ship..." 2017: "Bored, how much money did you spend on ships in star citizen?" "ALL THE MONEY!" :P
@tlatown9 жыл бұрын
Hull e owner here....go BIG or go home they said...
@tlatown9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello thank you sir, I'll do my best
@AlbertoMartinez7659 жыл бұрын
tlatown Yep Grabbed a C as well best bang for the buck IMO
@tlatown9 жыл бұрын
Alberto Martinez the c is imho the best looking one by far. good buy
@tlatown9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello i don't think hull owners will fight themselves. thats the Job of the escort. mine ist staying on track an check the beer in the fridge ;-) space truckin!
@tlatown9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello good bavarian beer. The first round is on me
@mr.bubbles1802 жыл бұрын
Really looking forward to seeing the bigger Hull series ships in-game.
@DeborahNorwood9 жыл бұрын
lol, "Move dirt and sand from planet to another and still make a hefty profit", great line
@Jabagoo9 жыл бұрын
The expanding of the ships really intrigued me. Almost tempted to get a B just to see how i can mod it out.
@Swidhelm9 жыл бұрын
I wonder though. If you buy one of those now, when the game launches, you won't have the capital to take advantage of that capacity. Unless there are missions to transport goods that you yourself aren't buying.
@AlbertoMartinez7659 жыл бұрын
Swidhelm yes there will be mission to just transport stuff from both Playes and NPC just like EVE.
@SledTillDead3 жыл бұрын
"Now is a great time to pledge for this ship" 6 years on still not here
@antwan13572 жыл бұрын
As I look at the HULL series it really only looks like the HULL A will be the only one doing planetary landings fully loaded.
@bpansky9 жыл бұрын
Finally something in Star Citizen that looks like it's been thought through.
@stefensmith95222 жыл бұрын
Bringing this video back in 2021! Hull E is where it's at xD
@PascalBrax9 жыл бұрын
And I thought a Lakon Type 9 was the definitive transport ship...
@ssjsjb2 жыл бұрын
For internal cargo space it's still up there, but internal cargo holds just can't compete with this setup. Would live to see SC do ED interiors.
@thekkl9 жыл бұрын
You could turn a Hull E into a mobile sales port. If you park at a safe zone halfway along some trade route people would be willing to give you a skim off of their profits in exchange for only having to make the first or second half of the trip while you buy from people making the first half and sell at a small markup to people making the second. Heck I'd do that if I was a small time freighter hiring unreliable freelance escorts for each run. By reducing the effort for and profit of each load the pain of a pirate attack would be so much less, and the risk of being abandoned or betrayed by my escort would also be reduced.
@bellidrael74572 жыл бұрын
7 years later and the Hull A which was said to hold more SCU than the Freelancer because it 'doesn't trade cargo space for weaponry' and doesn't have the 'jack of all trades' aspect to it... nope, Hull A holds less SCU than the Freelancer, lol.
@DjangoLowe9 жыл бұрын
LOL! Resting heart rate of a serial killer! I will be getting the B.
@DjangoLowe9 жыл бұрын
BoredGamer Totally! I would have to have a fleet of very angry mercs before feeling any ease.
@raymondstpaul49138 жыл бұрын
Imagine if these ships were real? NASA could use these concepts. No they wouldn't be as fancy as these fictional vessels but its workable for their possible designs for current space flight.
@FoxtrotYouniform8 жыл бұрын
Old comment, but worth responding to cause this stuff is cool. The reason why we, as an intelligent species, do not build any BIG space ships right now is due to two primary factors. First, our propulsion is still based around highly ineffective chemical rockets, which cannot push very hard or fast when compared to other realistic and theoretical methods, and second, because we do not yet have the ability to build in space. Once we become more advanced and capable with propulsion methods and with meta materials, which are metals and plastics and such whose molecular structure is purpose designed - making them crazy strong, light, etc - we will have the ability to build amazing, massive, and super advanced ships. While there are other factors limiting us right now, such as radiation shielding, micro-gravity degeneration, battery capacity, and more - it is the two above factors that (engines and building stuff in space) that when solved, will put us on the cusp of a HUGE spike in space faring capability.
@hansyolo82778 жыл бұрын
I wish I could have been born in the time when we, as a civilization, start to push out of our solar system to colonize new planets. But I also would not have known any of the people I do now, or have done anything I have done, so I'm not sad about it. But going to space and exploring uninvited planets is my dream, though I know it will never happen.
@afroman243389 жыл бұрын
I love the variety of cargo ships in this game
@gr1f1th9 жыл бұрын
Space Casino?!? SPACE CASINO! I really wish that they would start using additional funding to fuel mini-games within the game. Starting with casino games and then pub games, then maybe tabletop games. Seems like it would not affect the development timeline of the game but would be a huge immersion boost. It would have given people something to do in the Social Mod... besides window shop.
@L3uX9 жыл бұрын
This is already going to be done to some degree. There are a lot of details atm, but it wont be seen until down the road.
@undersmack6484 жыл бұрын
5 years ago... Still none in game. RIP
@butterflyi185m717 жыл бұрын
Proud owner and/or future owner of all Hull A, B, C, D, E Series, Drake Caterpillar, Banu Merchantman, and any other cargo vessel ever to exist or will exist in the SC universe!
@JohnStacy Жыл бұрын
Crazy to watch this today... Imagine what we'll be in a year
@Gearen9 жыл бұрын
Hull B for me
@Gearen9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello I would get the C, but having an Orion, I don't need all that cargo, just a Freelancer size ship to make some cargo missions and works. Also I think the prize for the B is really great.
@Gearen9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello yeah, for sure there will be smaller miner ships, I just hope the npc's aren't too stupid and control then will be relatively easy... but I always can fill it with real people from my org
@Gearen9 жыл бұрын
Lorenzo Dontello also.... have in mind that CIG said that the Hulls will have a great modularity, maybe they are going to have some module for turning a Hull into a miner....
@iKerbals9 жыл бұрын
***** Hull B holds exactly the same amount of SCU as the refined ore in an Orion! You will be able to stay mining while transporting back a full load of refined ore! Nice job!
@Gearen9 жыл бұрын
iKerbals actually the Orion can carry 16888 SCU, and the Hull B 600 SCU. I would need at least a Hull D to be able to carry a full Orion's cargo
@agravemisunderstanding96683 жыл бұрын
I see the hull d and c being used a bit like a nebulon b from starwars with modules, and rooms loaded into the cargo racks, like you could have giant medical rooms or crew quarters attached instead of cargo to make a modular mobile base or something
@gittyupalice962 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly how its going to be, including the Carrack as well will have interchangeable modules.
@A7OM1CS9 жыл бұрын
Nice. I was hoping they would make the design similar to transports in freelancer. Didnt think it would actually happen
@thekkl9 жыл бұрын
IPwnd It's a good design!
@RANDOMNESSbyJack9 жыл бұрын
Do we know which ship is faster? The freelancer or the hull C? I just want the fastest cargo hauler
@quecksilber4576 жыл бұрын
You can not compare a Hull C with a freelancer. More the A or B. The C is so much bigger. :) Bought me one in the last sale. Hopefully i can fly it in 3.2 or 3.3.
@SupercapeGames Жыл бұрын
Hull C has gotten bigger... Im excited to get it!
@TechGaming459 жыл бұрын
Might get the Hull - A for a little run about.. Starbug 1....
@drksideofthewal9 жыл бұрын
If the Hull A ends up being a starter ship, I'd get it just to make enough money for a better ship as soon as possible.
@PappyJoeInc7 жыл бұрын
drksideofthewal I would like to see it as a starter ship. It’s in the right price range
@abdu30642 жыл бұрын
It’s a solid ship, I use it all the time
@Dazhimself Жыл бұрын
I bet they sound so cool when unfolding. Good luck trying to get anywhere with getting killed.
@thugdadlife6538 Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness, it would literally take 267 caterpillar loads to fully load and unload a Hull E. I can't wait to see how much money that earns, that's quite a substantial investment. BTW, you're mic setup is noticeably better now that it was in this old video.
@AshiePhee9 жыл бұрын
Space freight train. Am I the only one that thinks it?
@michealmeaden13004 жыл бұрын
You're flying around and you spot one of these, you and your pirate crew begin activating your on board weapons you focus fire on the middle of ship and you crack the ship in half leaving the engines and the crew habitation completely separated stranded in space
@lazarustenebrae9 жыл бұрын
Your comments crack me up. Keep up the good work!
@lokken237 жыл бұрын
OMG Piracy is looking very profitable, especially with my Polaris.
@Queue36124 жыл бұрын
what the descriptions get wrong is that the A is more of a freelancer and the B is more of a catterpiller, the B has basically double the Freelancer MAX whilst the A is just short of the MAX and the B is just short of the catterpiller
@NeroSurvives2 жыл бұрын
6 years ago today the Hull is still in concept.
@abdu30642 жыл бұрын
Not anymore the hull A is in game
@chikokishi70303 жыл бұрын
6 years later we /almost/ have the C.
@ocean9119 жыл бұрын
I would buy the C now for the LTI since it is such a large ship. I would then buy the B later when I comes back up for sale in the future even thou it wont have LTI. The B will be great to start grinding with in the early days of the PU. The C will be waiting in the hanger once I have become a competent hauler (get the feel of the game too) and when I want to make some real money.
@iKerbals9 жыл бұрын
Bob Smith You should be able to go to the job board and accept a mission to transport a full load of cargo in your Hull C on day one! You might have to pay a lot of cargo insurance on it though!
@leonhartmann78699 жыл бұрын
Damn ya. Now i want to have the Hull C . Just marvelous...
@RANDOMNESSbyJack9 жыл бұрын
I'll probably star with a Hull A then upgrade to a Freelancer
@AJ-em2rb Жыл бұрын
0:05 "a great time to pledge.." rip
@Neobahamutfr366 жыл бұрын
Aaaahhh, ok, i hadn't understood how it worked. Hey, it's nicer than what i though... But i'll style favor the freelancer ^^
@VonChokerWOT9 жыл бұрын
great video BG, you covered this really well. I'm currently trying to decide whether to get the A or the B or both and what to do with my poor MAX and how it compares. Decisions are so hard
@RANDOMNESSbyJack9 жыл бұрын
But which ship is faster?!
@mrbasscow5 жыл бұрын
If you have a job you can save up to buy yourself one of these sweet rigs you can trade your ship and that you currently have in game like me I’m going to trade the $45 ship in And buy the hull c
@danman23165 жыл бұрын
These ships are huuuuge! Thanks for your great work.👍
@permanent83872 жыл бұрын
damn they are only now starting to release those ship... must be able do some crazy shit since they have been in concept for 6 years
@mikepowell86117 жыл бұрын
Big enough for a sci-fi horror movie....
@CarlR42436 жыл бұрын
you know... as i was watching this today and got to about the Hull-a part, i realized something as you said it was only the size of an Aurora... i Wonder if this would fit in the Argo's hanger... if it does, i could use that to better ferry cargo/ammunition/supply's back and forth then the Argo i would imagine.
@acer81232 жыл бұрын
Am I misunderstanding something? You say the Hull D can carry 21600 units of cargo. If I'm not mistaken 1 unit = 1cSCU, and since 1 SCU = 100cSCU that means it can only carry 216 SCU of cargo. The C2 can carry 696 SCU as of 3.16 for comparison
@zoranith8 жыл бұрын
LOL travel through space with the resting heart rate of a serial killer.. friggin love you, hahah. I feel like you understand me..
@flavonoidzexplosion42869 жыл бұрын
I got myself a Hull B, I can not wait to press a button to make it transform, personally I'd only play in the 'safe sectors' if that means I don't have to worry about jerks coming along and bothering me whist I'm trying to enjoy the game.. but that's just like.. my opinion, man. What ships do you guys have?
@jonde_o4 жыл бұрын
Will get Hull D capital ship sweet spot for trading in my opinnion... i am part of an org so i can use it for org stuff too but mainly flying it solo or with npc crew
@AlexMRL9 жыл бұрын
The MISC HULL E spaceship is so freaking big it has it owns gravity. Joke. But seriously, this is huge. HUGE. HUGEEEEE. I want to be a pirate, and I will try to steal from the E. I will work together tactically with a team. :p
@spicketspaghet77737 жыл бұрын
You'd have to, the Hull E can store fighters in the cargo pods, so it'd act like an aircraft carrier. The entire Hull series, especially the E, will have a shit ton of armor and super strong shields, and thats without a player purposely designing their hull to be a fucking battlecruiser. With the 3rd party attachments, they could get ultra-strong sheild generators, fill their cargo with turrets and fighters, and proceed to anihilate any small group of pirates trying to attack it. it wouldn't be surprising to see "battle-hulls" go alongside the other hulls or more hull-e's to act as a defense ship.
@PappyJoeInc7 жыл бұрын
THE MIGHTY ARCH don’t except the hulk series to be able to launch those fighters
@shad0wlawz8 жыл бұрын
Where's the Low-Sec/Null Jump Freighter and Freighter pilots from Eve when you need them? Probably some of the ballsiest pilots I've ever had to opportunity of flying with and probably some of the wealthiest too LOL
@masteroogway89509 жыл бұрын
HULL E retracted fastest ship 101
@voynich78256 жыл бұрын
Hull E best snub fighter carrier
@PTNLemay9 жыл бұрын
How much of this is just RP and how much of it will really be in-game mechanics? Like... will you actually need to find players to man fighter-crafts to escort the Hull D every time you plan on doing a trade run? Will you be able to hire NPC crew-men to help you get the job done? Or is this all mostly fluff and they don't really know yet how the game mechanic is going to work?
@BoredGamerUK9 жыл бұрын
PTNLemay Yes you can hire lots of NPCs to crew or pilot stuff. There will be "quests" from NPCs to escort stuff as well as from players.
@SaneNoMore6 жыл бұрын
Man, after looking again at these I am wondering why I have a Freelancer Max. For price to cargo capacity, nothing comes close to these. I’m really considering melting my Cutlass and CCU’ing my Max to a Hull C.
@TMP20646 жыл бұрын
I WANT TO WORK A HULL E SO BAD!!
@arcadealchemist Жыл бұрын
dat HULL E someone gonna be getting the name EVENT HORIZON yes? since the C took 8 years to come out.
@tubby_vermin4 жыл бұрын
Just got the hull - D, you think I will be able to upgrade to the E when they come on sale in the future ?
@voynich78256 жыл бұрын
Hull E is the best snub fighter carrier Change my mind
@pegasusbs6237 Жыл бұрын
only a few months now before hull-c
@codybruh70108 жыл бұрын
I would like a hull because I like space truckin. But they are just too much of a target. Every pirate will jump on them even if it's just an A.
@Owarikun3 жыл бұрын
sometimes i just ask myself... do you really need that much cargo space? ;-;
@KjetilBalstad4 жыл бұрын
If I buy one of these, can I as a solo player, move cargo for other players, or player run compaines, as a freelancer... Or, do I need to buy all cargo and sell it again on another station...
@titansquirrel44083 жыл бұрын
Woahhhh bored you've come a long way lol FIVE YEARS OLD VIDEO in my feed today, why?
@zombieslayer52798 жыл бұрын
would a miner be good at holding LOTS of cargo too so i can just be a space trucker instead whenever i want?
@xinleitang87589 жыл бұрын
I dont understand y it have only gimbal weapons. I thought turret will make more sense.
@AlbertoMartinez7659 жыл бұрын
Xinlei Tang the A has only a gimbal mount in front , the C thru E have multiple remote turrets
@redsamurai6586 Жыл бұрын
❤ finally coming soon 😅
@Ikki112359 жыл бұрын
I think the most probable course would be to take a Hull E and blackmail them ( Pay us ...UEC or we blow you to smithereens) :-/
@natalieirston15786 жыл бұрын
Hull E retracted = fastest gunship
@frederikfalck889 жыл бұрын
areany of these ships well built for long-range hauling?
@AlbertoMartinez7659 жыл бұрын
Frederik Falck I'm assuming all of them.....
@TheGhost570 Жыл бұрын
8 years ago and still not out 😢
@SupercapeGames Жыл бұрын
Hull C is coming out 😅
@JuliusReedRPGFanboy9 жыл бұрын
No in game ship cost estimates for those of us who aren't going to buy any big ships with real money?
@MrChristoffer57009 жыл бұрын
+Julius Reed this is just a guess but i would take real money value and multiply it by 10000 500$ ship would be 5.000.000
@JuliusReedRPGFanboy9 жыл бұрын
MrChristoffer5700 Yeah that sounds like a good estimate.
@MrChristoffer57009 жыл бұрын
that is if they have a some what realistic currency
@JuliusReedRPGFanboy9 жыл бұрын
MrChristoffer5700 I hope so if economics is going to be such a huge part of the game than I hope they scaled everything correctly so you really have to earn money, you don't just do one trade mission and get enough for a ship hopefully it takes tens if not hundreds just to buy an avenger for example.
@MrChristoffer57009 жыл бұрын
Julius Reed I sure hope so too
@dresdoholic9 жыл бұрын
hello everyone i have bought the hull b now but dont understand how or where or when can i use it? help pls thx cheers
@dresdoholic9 жыл бұрын
BoredGamer ok thank you very much i also have another question... how does it comes that if i want to convert it back to ingame credits it gives me 90 USD and i payed 87 € for it which actually are 109 USD ? thanks for your reply
@dresdoholic9 жыл бұрын
BoredGamer ok thanks alot :D
@dudelsaladt2 жыл бұрын
♥ good Video
@wither56739 жыл бұрын
l'll probable get the hull A.
@tekpoak Жыл бұрын
Amazing👀
@BrandonS1018 жыл бұрын
How were you able to put the guns in the box? I mean that's not in star citizen so what game was that
@schiefer11038 жыл бұрын
Brandon Smith I think that was a first presentation of the star citizen team for cargo... That should be in the cryen engine...
@Wh0pzy08154 жыл бұрын
Close to 2021 and still not a single Hull is ingame Oo
@smasher123ism7 жыл бұрын
Hull E with full load of explosive cargo and ram a fucking capital ship.
@kyleeaton27179 жыл бұрын
On the size chart, what ship is that on the far left?
@kyleeaton27179 жыл бұрын
BoredGamer the other chart with all the different company ships
@kyleeaton27179 жыл бұрын
The one on the far left being compared to the hull e, it looks like a merchantman, unless your right its a retraced hull e.
@xinleitang87589 жыл бұрын
kyle eaton idris ?
@kyleeaton27179 жыл бұрын
is it? it looks a little chubby, the chart at 12:06 it's like a chibbi idris
@VonChokerWOT9 жыл бұрын
kyle eaton
@Skogze9 жыл бұрын
These ships are too damn expensive. It must be great being rich.
@lucaskleinbauer45819 жыл бұрын
Nice Video go onlike this :)
@littlestocky7 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to make a juicy profit off of pirating those hull E’s😂
@usarkarzts42076 жыл бұрын
Dont think so. Problably the big cargo vessels will transport less valuable goods than the smaller ones.
@walkercal.58337 жыл бұрын
well its been over 2 years and they are all still in concept design states..... soooo yeah, don't but it just yet :(
@CarlR42436 жыл бұрын
Concept? have you not even been paying any attention lately? the Hull-C is already being tested in game (in dev builds) and fully built out, it's in final detail stage now.
@CarlR42436 жыл бұрын
actually there quite a number of people who did, however yes, majority of current 2 million "Citizens" likely wouldnt. i myself own a Hull-E, gonna be fun hauling enough things to supply like a whole moon in one trip lol. Also, once the Hull-C is finished, the others will likely follow pretty quickly soon after.
@Xorrin2 жыл бұрын
@@CarlR4243 Are you having fun with your Hull e?
@JagHiroshi4 жыл бұрын
5 bloody years ago. Just sayin'
@sketchtherapy12183 жыл бұрын
Classic
@buddhaman0014 жыл бұрын
Hello from 2020... 😥
@antsanchez8705 жыл бұрын
resting heart rate of a serial killer XD
@joeyamanaka78509 жыл бұрын
Think the HULL series are incredibly ugly in terms of aesthetics. There are probably half a dozen ships floating around on the web that I would like more. Clearly MISC is the wrong company for this design; personally I think they should have went with something original instead of trying to emulate the Freelancer. Perhaps a vertical design! But no, we got the usual same old horizontal ship based on a design that doesn't work. Sorry but the HULL is a bust.
@thekkl9 жыл бұрын
Joe Yamanaka Front to back is significantly better than side to side or top to bottom for a number of reasons: *Much smaller cross section, making it harder to hit from ships following it and less likely to hit asteroids. *Much lower moment required to change direction, making the ship much more maneuverable. *Easier to control in general, as the front section of the ship is only a small part rather than most or all of the ship. Chris Roberts is a fan of realism and plausible physics. He's not gonna change a fundamentally good design just because you think it's not quirky enough. You don't like Star Citizen? Actually that sucks, I want there to be as many people as possible populating the universe to support as vibrant an economy as possible, but oh well, can't change bad tastes.
@joeyamanaka78509 жыл бұрын
***** Actually I am all for realism. But how real does a space sim about an imaginary future have to be? It really comes down to how you 'imagine' that realism will unfold. As for your presumption that I don't like Star Citizen, you couldn't be more wrong. In fact I probably have more money tied up in Star Citizen than you. Which brings me to the HULL. It is really ugly. It doesn't get any more real than that. But that's all good. At least we can agree there's no accounting for taste. Personally I will be flying a Merchantman, which, if stats are correct for this little hauler, will be able to blow any of the HULL out of the galaxy. And that's alright by me. :)
@chewbaccassecretlover124445 жыл бұрын
Hull a is useless for the prize
@thegammingfish76145 жыл бұрын
hull f uwu
@joncampo1627 Жыл бұрын
7 years later and we barely have the hull a lol what a joke
@stevendavis39912 жыл бұрын
so this will transport goods like armor, water bottles, guns bullets, and all of that but that makes me wonder if it will be able to carry ore ether refined ore or raw type.. ummm. see that this is posted in 2015 and now it is 2022 and it still has not came out yet to figure the outcome of what it should be able to do.. so Let's see what will happen to this when it actually does come out.