Mises’ Theory of Socialist Destructionism: The American Reality | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

What we are now witnessing in the larger society is the result of decades of work within academia and government to destroy the private-property system of the West and replace it with a new socialist order. From the 2020 Supporters Summit, presented at the historic Jekyll Island Club Resort on Jekyll Island, Georgia, on 9 October 2020.

An interesting observation: The left can't just build the communist utopia, they always have to start by destroying capitalism.

[@cfs8118]

You could have simply said a communist utopia cannot be built. Never has been. Never will be.

[@MattM0481]

I always enjoy Tom DiLorenzo’s talks.

[@jhall2691]

When I attended the University of Maryland College Park studying math, physics, chemistry, geology, meteorology, and a little astronomy during the 1990's, the administration was obsessed with diversity, which is the same as multi culturalism. I saw right through it that it was promoted by communist's.

[@dks13827]

how did the low IQ's do in college ?

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

At 18:50 a different example is their fight against inheritance so the state can steal your property and distribute it accordingly.

[@maxfrost7834]

Wish I could have been there in person 🤟👍

[@markovichglass]

God is our savior, not Joe biden. I love that line. God bless you brother!

[@mikekiske]

Thank you so much. Cheers from Brazil.

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Thomas Payne Jacksonian Jeffersonian movement is underway in the Battle for the west! Shine Bright! MWM

[@georgeprokopenko3044]

Great talk Thomas. I read the destructionism.

[@chuckmartin935]

Agreeor disagree w him. Tom is always a powerful and charismatic speaker.

[@TheHeraldOfChange]

I'm listening to this, I'm shaking my head, and I'm remembering my University days from the late 80's. It was a nightmare, being one of only two guys, in classes with rabid, feminist, claret swilling, lesbian, socialists. Being white, male, and heterosexual, I was the living, breathing embodiment of, "the enemy." The other guy was tolerable because he batted for the other side.

[@twentysecondcenturywoman]

oh yeah, you’re the victim here.

[@TheHeraldOfChange]

@@twentysecondcenturywoman Its an anecdotal observation, not a critique, nor a "poor me" cry for sympathy. Your sarcasm and conclusion are misplaced.

[@gregfrench1254]

Bravo, help spread thought!

[@reganross3608]

I love this guy!

[@cfs8118]

I do not understand why churches do not sue Governors of states that order police to stand down.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

They'd lose their non-profit status and be run out of business, that's why.

[@mikedebell2242]

Right on the money.

[@JennWest-Liberty]

Originally gov had right to make law on federal lands only. The state maintained control of everything around it. Taxes occurred on federal lands. States taxes the resources the feds took from the states. Eventually a legal state was created to give money to the states for providing services to the feds such as fire fighting, asylums, hospitals, etc. the military when they want to use a service off post (federal lands) they had to be sure the state and feds had a contract for the use of that service. Those same places under contract had policies set in place to provide those services to the military members. However they started pushing all those services against all people who used the service even when they were not military. The states then can charge the federal government more money. Hospitals for example are force birth certificates upon non military, making the citizens of the federal lands (United States not america) and and therefore because the feds tax military members (citizens of federal lands) they tax the all the people. They never had that power. The birth certificate and citizenship is a federal law which was suppose to apply to the military and dependents using a hospitol off federal lands. Free people do not require birth certificates because they don’t need to prove who they are to the government because they weren’t intended to be a part of it. Same with schools, federal residents of VA hospitals were “officers and employees” of the federal lands- they lived and worked there they were federal (United States) citizens and had to have contracts with the feds and the states to send their children to the schools in the state. The schools required the federal children to meet requirements- then they started forcing all those requirements upon all children. You get a license required by the feds for any purpose and you must comply with the laws. You don’t get a license- you don’t have to comply. Problem is that most people do not realize that the federal government is the seat and lands purchased for defenCe purposes which are the “posts” or commonly called military lands. That is the United States and they have citizens on those lands who are United States citizens and residents on those lands. A licensed doctor is one who is not practicing medicine on those citizens on federal lands. Think about it.... the whole people or one people described by Upshure in the book below are not citizens of a government and not on government lands and do not have licenses and are not under those powers. They are by the Declaration of Independence, natural persons with rights given them by their creator and those rights cannot be removed. When they join the government they are promised certain rights listed in the bill of rights that are specifically protected by government so that they may freely speak in congress and so that those who are in the military may wear their arms as part of their uniform when in congress. Sources below. All Americans should read this if they want to understand why the constitution is not what hey think it is. Upshur: catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000588221 Jurisdiction: catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001156261

[@JennWest-Liberty]

@Mark EMark Guess you didn’t bother to click the link that shows that the information came from a government report from 1957.

[@wayfaringman8418]

I completely lost it when he said to hold applause for Lincoln's statue having been toppled.

[@mikebastiat]

What does he mean by that? That even though he hates Lincoln, he sees it as a problem to destroy history this way?

[@cr1138]

20 minutes. Should have been the entire conference

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Birds have adapted quite well!

[@johncitizen3227]

My dream live discussion lineup; Thomas DiLorenzo James Lindsay Jordan Peterson Douglas Murray Helen Pluckrose Peter Borghossian

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Bureau of Land Management is the key to fracturing the Unionist Federalist Mercantilist Landed Gentry Torrey’s complete collapse! MWM

[@duggydugg3937]

none a these so called economists speak on (not 'to') the debt monster.. tens of TRILLIONS of gvt debt ...debt that gvt tries and fails to pay with tax collections....gvt resorts to more BORROWING to try to service this out of control ... unnecessary debt !!!

[@markelder4944]

And this valuable information seems to be shrugged off by so many as uninteresting or boring but they can not seem to take their eyes off of Fox News or CNN for example and then so many look on in amaZement blaming capitalism or just not understanding. People will do anything it seems to change the subject because reality seems to be out of their comfort zones due to in large part our education and media

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Mao Cultural Revolution ! Fascinating

[@ohad157]

Tommy D Gang rise up!

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

There is no difference between Marxism socialism fascism Capitalist Corptacracy Shine Bright! MWM

[@patdwyer8262]

Reminds me of a common joke told in the former Soviet Union. A man walks into a store that is supposed to sell food. The man asks the clerk, while standing in front of an empty display case and says "Is this the store that doesn't have any meat"? The clerk replies, "Comrade, you have the wrong store!" "This is the store that doesn't have fish!", "The store you seek that does not have meat is across the street!".

[@davidredding7694]

In that last year's of USSR the people pretended to work and the state pretended to pay the workers.

[@annyer262]

He wrote in note book, “no fish.” Then he walked across the road to the meat store and found no meat. He wrote in his note book “no meat.” The store keep told him “if you had done this ten years ago you would have been shot!” He wrote down “no bullets either!”

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

Cartels have no boundaries true

[@Spider21056]

...Surprisingly, for many, the Catholic Church's Rerum Novarum, Laudato Si, Fratelli Tutti, preach the same "Gospel" as Marx's Capital...

[@mikehoot3978]

The Catholic Church promotes the common good and condemns wealth. So...

[@Spider21056]

...So, WHAT, Mike Hoot?!... DO wealthy people - who acquire their wealth through hard work, good management, through honest, legitimate means - OWE the poor ANYTHING?!...🤔... The Catholic Chrurch has got NO RIGHT to take from ME what's MINE... and give it to YOU... If she wants to help the poor, she is welcome to do so at HER OWN EXPENSE, not at others' expense...

[@mikehoot3978]

@@Spider21056 Dude, I'm agreeing with you. I'm a libertarian. I just clarify the shared concepts by Marxism and the Catholic Church.

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

1960s replay with different outcome

[@105rogue]

Great video except one contention. To say that communism starts with atheism is a platitude in itself. Look no further than Ayn Rand to exemplify this. She was an atheist yet you couldn't find a more tenacious opponent of communism. Also, opposing religion and communism wasn't simply a philosophical contradiction as she successfully argued against both coherently.

[@dks13827]

How's it going now, Tom ????

[@melindad62]

This broadcaster is being shadowbanned

[@GlobalResistanceCoalition]

Lord Ba'al Nodite children wreaked havoc on your inhabited world of time and space.

[@brianhooper8563]

this guy has obviously never read Marx in his life!! People need to understand what and how capitalism works and that is what Marx writes about. economic theory is what he writes about and all of the abolition of family stuff this guy is talking about is in reference to Marx's critique of capitalism not about socialism or communism. i understand that most of the people responding in these comments have been taught that communism is bad throughout there lives, but instead of just agreeing with that blanket statement everyone should actually read Marx theory so as to understand what it actually is all about. Everything that i was taught about the subject from school was about as accurate as American history was. it is remarkable how we teach and feel about our history in America. I am about as patriotic as one can be, i love my country and i also love justice. only when we learn our true history can we put forth the effort to right the wrongs and build a better future. everyone can see what our country is going through currently and it all comes down to economics and the lack of understanding about our history..

[@donaldclifford5763]

Let me guess. You're under age 30.

[@brianhooper8563]

@@donaldclifford5763 try again im 43 actually and have been studying economics and it different theory's for years.

[@donaldclifford5763]

@@brianhooper8563 Slow learner, or arrested development?

[@brianhooper8563]

@@donaldclifford5763 well my motive for commenting on this section was to illicit an actual conversation from somebody who may want to better understand the situation that we're in but as i can see nobody wants to actually talk about actual economics and history, they just want to attempt cheap shots as to not be confronted with an actual idea that may very well shatter their entire worldview. I myself used to believe that it would be possible to mold and shape capitalism into something that could be beneficial to the world but history has shown that as long as you leave the structures in place to have very few people with all of the means to control and dictate outcomes every advance that people have fought for and gained have all been systematically rolled back by the few controlling all of the means of production. So obviously it is the system itself that is the problem, and all one really needs to do is take a real good look at world history and economic theory to understand. My goal was not to magically change your mind it was only to have an educated conversation that might open your mind to the understanding of some of the critiques of capitalism, so that you may understand better why we are in the situation that we are in.

[@donaldclifford5763]

@@brianhooper8563 I read Das Kapital in high school, forty years ago. Okay. Go ahead. Refresh me.

[@prebenso]

socialism is only a problem if it benefits the poorest people - when the richest people socialises trillions of your money that is not a problem that is just buying up debt.

[@vandermellots]

Up

[@iant419]

"We will indoctrinate the gentiles children into ideologies which are known to us to be false." -The Protocols of Zion Name the Jew people.

[@bradwatson7324]

As an atheist, I know many other people who are atheists. Most favor big government but very few are Marxists. None that I know are "conservative," but I'm a voluntaryist and several that I know are libertarian. Just saying, because while I really like the Mises Institute, it does seem to make subtle digs at atheists from time to time.

[@strattydavis2455]

I think it is just specific people from the institute. Walter Block is an atheist and so was Rothbard. Jeff Deist and Hoppe are even agnostic.

[@bradwatson7324]

@@strattydavis2455 I didn't know that. Thanks!

[@mikehoot3978]

@@strattydavis2455 But Deist and Hoppe are rather strong defenders of the Church and social conservatism. Let's say they are right-wing in culture. Block, Hayek or Higgs aren't.

[@strattydavis2455]

@@mikehoot3978 doesn’t change the fact that Deist and Hoppe are agnostic and Block is an atheist. I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to get at

[@mikehoot3978]

@@strattydavis2455 It's not really important the personal faith of each one, but the social order they defend. That's all I'm saying.

[@loisfreiner6127]

Sounds like our pandemic

[@comesahorseman]

Nothing new, really; Fromm was required reading in a sociology class I took 'way back in 1974.

[@albionicamerican8806]

To me it's hilarious that the Mises Institute has digitized Mises's works, and it gives them away as "free" ebooks over the internet, when in other contexts Austrian economists argue that "free goods" are impossible. Also the practice ignores price signals about the value of Mises's work, misallocates scarce resources and contributes to economic chaos.

[@EFCasual]

There are psychic profits to be made.

[@realgroovy24]

The people at the Mises institute values more people learning about Austrian economics over profits? They do make money by donations though.

[@ejbh3160]

In today's world of mega global corporate monopolies, AI & automation, we just need EVERY job which can be automated to be automated asap, including all the white collar jobs soon to be replaced with AIs which are better than humans. Then once they are basically corps running themselves automatically, 'globalise' (the same as nationalise but on a global scale) all those automated corps & make every human being on Earth a non-transferrable shareholder in all those corps - getting quarterly share 'dividends' (as good as a UBI) for the rest of their lives. Presto - fully automated luxury capitalism for everyone on Earth. (Robert Anton Wilson - The RICH economy) ;-)

[@mikehoot3978]

The christian religion falls by itself. Marxism at most pushes it a little. And church and conservatism also ask you to make sacrifices for the community.

[@mylesleggette7520]

You're exactly right - they ASK you to, they don't use the power of state violence to COMPEL you to.

[@mikehoot3978]

@@mylesleggette7520 In modern times they are like that. In other times you were set on fire on a pyre.

[@cfs8118]

Does Prof. DiLorenzo not realize he is part of the problem, by not being more active against Socialism/Marxism.

[@albionicamerican8806]

If markets are supposed to tell us important things about the world, then what does it say about Mises that he couldn't get a real academic job when he migrated to the United States? Instead a formed a relationship with the ad man Lawrence Fertig, which resembled the relationship between Karl Marx and the businessman Friedrich Engels. Fertig bribed New York University to give Mises an office and pretend that he had a job there as a "visiting scholar," or words to that effect, while he paid Mises a salary from his own pocket.

[@mase24c]

view #2!

[@homewall744]

Jesus taught his followers to leave their families too.

[@nicolettecoetzee7339]

Comparing Jesus to communism just doesn’t make sense. At night they wet home to their families.

[@kai89tracid]

in communism population ur a unit not person

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

The Ministry of Propaganda

[@TheEmptySki]

It's not that I disagree with the LvMI people, but the way they characterize things is, I think, lazy. They are dismissive of the ideas they are against, don't really get into them, and give very ham fisted, polemical explanations of the ideas themselves. And Mises was like that too. It must be the reason why Berlin refused to mention Mises by name or cite his work, even though they clearly agreed on many things. It's not that I'm pedantically technical, either. They just don't clearly explain things. They speak in a way as to capture the audience but not inform them.

[@TheEmptySki]

What he doesn't say, maybe because he doesn't know it, when he talks about the current ideological indoctrination, is that the Marxian theory of ideology (itself a derivation of de Stutt de Tracy's theory) was psychologized into a version of the theory of consciousness, which has been racialized by activists. Neo-Marxism differs from Marx primarily in that it has abandoned economic materialism and embraced psychological and cultural practices, i.e., not material or economic concerns. The LvMI dismiss this at their own risk. They can argue the economic case, but the Marxist are no longer even making that argument.

[@TheEmptySki]

The leftists want to abolish the family might be "straight out of the communist manifesto, but it is better understood through the framework of Freudian Marxism (Marcuse in particular). There is a reason it is the "transgender" and "LGBTQ" communities who are against the family and it has more to do with Freud than Marx. Communists 75 years ago were very pro-nuclear family and family values. So was Mao, believe it or not. The One Child Policy came into China only after (and immediately after) Mao died because Mao was against Malthusian logic. These are the things that are missed by the LvMI people (and really most other analysts as well).

[@TheEmptySki]

@@roosterball69 I'm familiar with Mises's writings. Thanks. And you missed my point entirely

[@Vanbrusa]

He looks like an out of shape Steve Jobs

[@rhondaroberts2223]

well, considering that Steve Jobs is dead, I'd say DiLorenzo looks pretty damn good!😆😅

[@Vanbrusa]

@@rhondaroberts2223 Hahah

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

Change the Narrative

[@michaelwoodsmccausland5633]

Rhetorical babble