Misogyny in the Courtroom and Judge Ito's Failings, with Marcia Clark

Megyn Kelly is joined by best-selling author and former prosecutor, Marcia Clark, to discuss misogyny in the courtroom, how Judge Ito failed, the drama behind the change in her hair during the trial, her angry response to an insinuation from Johnny Cochran, and more.
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[@morganmadison366]

Any additional evidence would not have made a difference. I lived in Los Angeles, and the jury wasn't going to convict, period.

[@summertyme5748]

It would be like trying to get Megyn Kelly to convict Donald Trump. lol.

[@lemorab1]

This case should've been tried in Brentwood, where the crime occurred, and where O.J. Simpson would've been judged by a jury of his peers. Gil Garcetti used his muscle to move it downtown. At that point, it was no longer about murder and escalating domestic violence, and O. J. Simpson was home free.

[@kevinchambers1101]

@@summertyme5748 clearly you don't listen to her because she doesn't support President Trump.

[@kevinchambers1101]

Spot on. The facts proved him guilty but I question myself if I would have found him guilty believing more lives would have been lost through riots. It wouldn't be right but there is no doubt in my mind that more deaths would have happened.

[@michellemooresings]

@@kevinchambers1101 really good point. I remember ppl fearful of that.

[@pinkparasollise9646]

My late uncle was employed by the DA's office and many times worked with Marcia. He liked her and told me she was a hard worker (this was years before the OJ trial).

[@christydurbin9277]

Total admiration for Marcia

[@erikaoliver2591]

The interview I didn't know I needed. She's fascinating. I was about 10, when this all occurred, only superficially knew what was going on. May have to check out her book.

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

It was the beginning of the end of “news” as we once knew it. The coverage of that stupid car chase changed everything.

[@Ferment668]

"Without a Doubt" By Marcia Clark was my FAVORITE book of the year when it came out. She is brilliant, insightful, and I was rooting for her the whole time! When she described Nicole Brown' and her family, my heart broke into a million pieces; it really grounds the reality of the evil of OJ Simpson and how the media totally botched the narrative.

[@b.h.7423]

Wrong media didn’t botch nutin…that’s der agenda…..blatt man good, wyte man bad

[@mooreacrestxgardenening4979]

In the end the rulings probably didn't matter. He was going to get off no matter what. Very sad day for the justice system.

[@christydurbin9277]

I was 22, a young wife and mother and DV victim at the time and was HEARTBROKEN with this verdict

[@bri-guy1778]

Toobin covered the trial and wrote a book saying that Ito asked him personally ‘How am I doing?’ (I’m paraphrasing). Can you imagine a judge asking a journalist that? He was clearly very concerned about his image and meanwhile Cochran and company took over the show.

[@johnstarr2326]

In fairness, we do not know the context in which the question was asked. We don’t know the rest of the story. I am not a fan of Ito either.

[@pommiebears]

@@johnstarr2326 No…we do, it’s in the book. OJ, The Run Of His Life. You should read it.

[@DP-pj7qn]

I was 18 when this happened and couldnt stand hearing about the OJ trial..it was in every newspaper and tv channel for like 3 or 4 years straight- it was exhausting...but i do remember how the media constantly criticized Marcia's appearance. As a young girl i couldnt understand how that was newsworthy as a grown woman, im elated at how much progress we have made with sexism

[@gcrichman53]

Yes and sadly what Megyn and many other people including many women don't recognize is this is very much thanks to feminism.

[@gcrichman53]

Marcia Clark is very intelligent and a great prosecutor and she won countless murder cases. The jury in the OJ criminal trial were really stupid and biased and it never even mattered that they had tons of strong evidence of OJ's guilt. Thankfully the civil court trial where he testified and badly, that jury was very sensible and found him responsible for the brutal insane murders of poor Nicole and Ronald.

[@davidobrien9362]

I am so surprised at how different Marcia really is to what I thought she was like,full of humour,stoic,and just so affable and sharp,have watch all these interview,clips,and she's an absolute delight will get her book for sure.

[@sydludwig1826]

I was glued to the TV watching the OJ trial. I loved Marcia and sent her a card thanking her for her tenacity. I taped a lot of the trial on my VCR. I should go back and watch because I’d like to see judge Ito in action again, since I’ve been more educated on how the courtroom works by watching many trials after that. The evidence was so strong against OJ and I was flabbergasted by the verdict. A couple of years after the trial I was going thru some photos I had and found one that had Kato in it! It was from 1986 when my friend celebrated her 25th birthday at the Bicycle Bombay restaurant in Burbank California. He was our waiter wearing and black and white striped shirt. Crazy.

[@sydludwig1826]

The glove debacle really made me mad. I had a pair of leather gloves with cashmere lining and put a latex glove on to see how that would affect the fit. Of course it was really hard to get the glove to fit, as I suspected! Too much friction. Ugh.

[@bobblenuts]

Interesting interview, thanks Megyn 👍

[@darrenmiller6927]

Interesting to hear from Marcia. Lots to learn here. I wouldn't have paid attention had it not been Megyn's show. She is great with the long form interview. Glad I stuck around. Big surprise right? Only one of my favorite shows.

[@shipoopeeeeeeeee]

Agreed! Also, I never would have recognized her! Its nice just to see her again lol

[@tomhalla426]

I think the major error was the venue. It should never have been tried downtown, but in Brentwood.

[@paulviens7602]

Very good interview

[@ruthc8407]

"Judge" Ito allowed the police to be put on trial when in reality, in many previous encounters, the police bent over backwards to protect O.J. Simpson, and shield him.

[@daviddavis3389]

Not true! The police did not attempt to protect OJ! Why would say such a thing?

[@tamaramarie1]

Absolutely love Marcia great show Megyn ❤️

[@andyvanm1]

Marcia Clark made it all about her,the case was hers and prosecutors to lose....A Damn shame ....

[@marycorrigan2718]

"The Test of Time" you are so smart, in fact so smart and you will always be SMART. Thank You for your fortitude and persevering through this "Trial of the Century"

[@marycorrigan2718]

I still shiver at the thought of the manner in which OJ murdered Ron Goldman, Nicole Brown, his ex-wife. You did a stellar job in trying to get Justice for them against all odds.

[@cdain]

I saw the title and it got me thinking about another story: the time Marcia Clark had to leave court early to pick up her kids; she was going through a divorce and trying to manage her life, all the while putting up with comments about her hair, clothes, and other crazy things. I was astounded by the court's lack of sympathy for her situation and the professionalism shown toward her. She was defending a murdered woman and man and having to deal with this nonsense.

[@johnstarr2326]

It was her job!! She had a professional responsibility and an obligation to her oath as an Officer of the Court, If she was having personal problems, she should have sought help and excused herself. There’s no shame in stepping back to regroup. No Excuses!

[@michellemooresings]

That was pretty weird how Marcia's looks were so obsessed over.

[@jimfesta8981]

Hi Michelle. Many years ago before the OJ trial, I got jury duty in the downtown LA criminal courts bldg. I was sitting in the hallway when Marcia Clark walked by. She was curly haired, very pretty and great legs. So naturally, the media would glum onto that.

[@johnstarr2326]

Marcia Clark looked like sh*t, and didn’t give a ‘F’. She didn’t know how to play the game.

[@michellemooresings]

@@jimfesta8981 I kinda wondered about that. Thanks!

[@rogerdale5451]

...Great to see Marcia Clark! She's aging well.

[@bigusdallastexamas5740]

IMHO the case was lost in large part to the prosecution trying to paint an extremely specific chain of events. When inconsistencies arose it allowed the defense to pull at that thread and unravel the trust in the entire case being presented by the prosecution. Add to that the obvious chain of custody issues surrounding the vial of blood taken from OJ. The volume drawn wasn't documented and it was inexplicably allowed to remain in the wild four several hours before finally being entered into the lockup as evidence. Again giving the jurors a reason to doubt the validity of all blood evidence. State may have won the case if they were facing lesser council, but the "dream team" put up a seriously compelling defense. To this day we all know the phrase "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit".

[@SusanStorm217]

Does DNA in a hot car magically turn DNA into the victims and Simpson's DNA. Most of the discrediting of forensic evidence was like this, yes procedural errors, but not significant to the results. What was far more damaging was the allegations of police planting evidence. The defense made these allegations based on emotion and speculation, not proof. If there was proof OJ could have sued the police for violation his rights.

[@behnam2778]

I think we should look at the prosecution shortcomings too. It was a shitshow

[@MSUSPARTANS1973]

Totally.

[@a.d.4536]

Blksupremacy got O J off and tired of the Misogyny bs from the sex that literally has everything handed to them

[@andyvanm1]

Amen

[@anacom4238]

Women have to work for everything, too, but don't get paid as much... The first part of your sentence is probably true.

[@johnstanton2853]

After many years as an attorney I know that the worst judges are a mixture of arrogance and ignorance. ito was the worst combination of these.

[@joellis5915]

Of course, He is not a white, as far as I am concern, Judge Ito was all the way shifted to the Prosecute team and bend over to placate them. I watched the completed trials and found Simpson absolutely not guilty. You are certain a bias attorney, it is scare to have packs of attorney like your ilk roaming around targeting the minorities. Such a tragedy.

[@wdhewson]

A presge to the current fallen state of CA.

[@mikeymclucky]

She looks younger!!

[@therealjd4life]

Marcia was a great attorney but she found out the hard way that Johnnie Cochran was next level ...and not only that she had to deal with Shapiro, Bailey, Scheck, and many many more.....she didn't stand a chance

[@graniteman62]

Judge Ito was brutal judge

[@timothymullins8220]

it was obvious that OJ was guilty and it was also obvious Marcia and Chris were amateurs compared to the defendants team-the jury had already made up its mind -racism goes both ways

[@andyvanm1]

So true.

[@hus390]

Not true.. significant doubt existed. Talk to Fuhrman about that

[@pr-tj5by]

Say that to Emmett Till's mum.....

[@Oblitus1]

While I agree with you about OJ's guilt, timothy, the real amateur in the room seemed to be Judge Ito. However, I said many times back in the day that OJ could have jumped up on the defense table and screamed his guilt for everyone to see, and that jury would have judged him not guilty anyway. Rodney King's ghost hung over that courtroom, and there was no getting over that.

[@32rumandcoke]

Clark was the wrong lawyer for this case. She paid too much attention to what the media said about her. That's why she changed her hair style in the middle of the case because of the media attention, then later the media published topless photos of her. That's what happens when you give the media attention, you shift the attention from the defendant to yourself. That behavior is NOT what anyone would want from a laywer. Not to mention her affair with Christopher Darden, also in the middle of the case, which she never denied. She should have been fired.

[@anothersucker-Youcantfixstupid]

The Judge gave OJ a pass.

[@johnstarr2326]

It was up to the Prosecution and the jurors. You fool!

[@anothersucker-Youcantfixstupid]

@@johnstarr2326 He let in evidence that wasn't relevant and squeezed out the white jurors. He also let Johnny Cochran run the court room. But clearly you don't know as much as you think.

[@johnstarr2326]

@@anothersucker-Youcantfixstupid It’s been 27 years past. It’s Not about me. The matter has been exhausted ad nauseam. Get over it. Move on

[@pr-tj5by]

@@anothersucker-Youcantfixstupid Cochrane and Scheck were just next level stuff, simple as that

[@johnhuddleston8647]

You know, if they didn't drag this case on.....for almost a year, maybe I would care.........a little!! But I don't.

[@chasbo25]

Ever watch Blazing Saddles? There is a scene where Clevon Little, the mayor of Blackrock, is holding a gun to his own head and saying be careful or the Nword gets it. That is all I thought about during the white Bronco chase. 😂

[@user-mk7yw2jc3p]

You’re like the new Paul Harvey… you need need to do a 30 minute lunchtime radio program……

[@feliciaalbanese3338]

Sarah Paulson is amazing!! So is Marcia and Megyn

[@rockysquirrel4776]

An Asian misogynist? Say it isn't so!

[@pep590]

Right...just like the racist black jury. Who would have thunk it?

[@johnstarr2326]

Bye bigot.

[@samsca8529]

This is an ugly stereotype of Asian men and also a blatantly racist comment. Ito wasn’t shitty cause of his race, he was shitty cause he was him.

[@GeoHvl]

Was there anything to the rumor of the Clark and Cochran affair?

[@cdrone4066]

No it was her partner, Darden.

[@johnstarr2326]

Look at her and look at Cochran at the time. Johnnie had better than her!. Why would he want to ‘F’ her ?! She is more Darden’s type!😂😂😂

[@GeoHvl]

I watched this trial as well as millions of others. We are 6 months apart in age. Marcia was hot, very hot, and she knew she was hot. What difference do 30 years make?

[@wickster2121]

it's like Alex trebek shaving his mustache...

[@jimfesta8981]

I went to high school with Judge Lance Ito. He was our class president. I knew him personally. He was a very nice guy and highly intelligent.

[@joellis5915]

Too bad he is not a white, so attacking is inevitable. If he were a white, nothing he did could have been wrong at all. It is all a racist game to burn the professional who was not whites. And framed Simpson when the white waitress wife divorced for 2 years dead.

[@AL-pk4ij]

As well as a misogynist apparently

[@michellemooresings]

Trial is a game of chess.

[@johnstarr2326]

Yes, and the Prosecution was outmatched. They were clueless, especially Darden. He looked lost the whole time.

[@pr-tj5by]

@@johnstarr2326 Cochrane and Scheck were different level to those two amateurs

[@hus390]

Oh gosh!!🤦🏻‍♂️ Furhman made about race. Not the defence. The dude who “found” the gloves, and walked around the crime scene, and befriended the guy who had the blood tube, expressed hatred to interracial couples (specifically white women with black men). Go figure!!!

[@fattie2550]

OJ Innocent=Free Man

[@jenniferj2456]

He was definitely a misogynist! Openly

[@Paula-po9kx]

I would suggest she was being a responsible parent, daughter, sister and human being, making a will is one of yours responsibilities as a human so that the survivors don’t have to make those decisions their selves. I am not saying she didn’t fear for her life maybe she did.

[@garydonner7303]

My God, get glasses that fit you 🧐🤓😁😂🤣

[@makemyday44mag97]

The defense team demolished the unprofessional and unprepared prosecution. Don’t blame misogyny for your own failures during game time.

[@Inkling777]

Yes, but don't blame those prosecutors for losing to some of the most powerful and ruthless defense lawyers that money could buy.

[@makemyday44mag97]

@@Inkling777 I would agree but the prosecutors had the power and funding of the state behind them. Not even OJ’s resources could compete against that.

[@pep590]

The DNA proved it was OJ, but DNA wasn't understood or respected back then. No one watching on average had any idea what it meant. The presented a large poster board documenting it and it held little water, like explaining flight to someone in 1800. They also underestimated what having a black R@cist jury would mean.

[@violinhunter2]

Yep.

[@samsca8529]

There was clearly misogyny in the way she was covered by the media. Obviously.

[@mrs.hancock4124]

❤️ Marcia Clark

[@imatalkin4358]

This was a black verdict

[@pr-tj5by]

And Emmett Till was a what verdict ??

[@jameschancey251]

Remember all of the little knick-knacks that Ito had lined up on his desk (bench)??

[@pr-tj5by]

Clark and Darden should not have been in the same court room as Cochran and Scheck, Men against boys and girls lol

[@brianlindauer4084]

If looking for an explanation for why so many, like me, have such inherent contempt for our justice system, one doesn't have to look much further than this farce. That contempt, btw, is why I simply roll my eyes in apathy when Megyn clutches her pearls and gets the vapors about the lack of proper decorum or respect for the legal system. I mean, I have nothing but respect for Megyn, but it always amazes me how serious lawyers and their ilk treat the system, and why they seem confused by Americans' collective hatred for their profession.

[@Arid379]

Oh megyn

[@paulviens7602]

Ok was guilty as sin.

[@josephazzopardi2408]

I love you Megan, you look better as ever.

[@jerome495]

Marcia Clark was a terrible lawyer who happened to be a lawyer.

[@cdrone4066]

No, she was just a lousy prosecutor, the DA office didn’t help the case. This was an easy case to prosecute even being against OJ Simpson. The facts were the facts.

[@kevinchambers1101]

It didn't matter who the attorney was, the jury was going to rule against guilty no matter what.

[@joellis5915]

Majority vote is the fact? Just because the whites "Lynch" blacks agreed by law and majority of the whites, so the whites are allow ""Lynch" blacks and found not guilty by our legal system is justified? Give me a break.

[@anacom4238]

@@kevinchambers1101 Yep

[@sarahpamula778]

1John 1:1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon , and our hands have handled, of the Word of Life. This verse confronts the gnostics, #1 Corinthian #2 Doketists

[@joangratzer2101]

WHAT MADE MARCIA CLARKES REP WAS , SHE TOLD F. LEE BAILEY TO "SIT DOWN AND KEEP QUIET ." SHE ACTUALLY HAS NO ABILITY AS A PROSECUTOR.

[@chrisle2674]

correct she was an ERA hire. its easy in this day and age to blame sexism but the the fact is it was a unqualified person that should not have been their

[@morganmadison366]

Please, everyone check dictionary: misogynist is pronounced with a hard "g" as in gynecologist.

[@JonFrumTheFirst]

I'm 67 years old. I have never heard the word pronounced as you suggest, and I've heard it spoken many, many times.

[@johnstarr2326]

You have an empty life..don’t you?!😂😂

[@daviddavis3389]

Are you a perfectionist with a masters degree? Don't tell me, you majored in English lit & proper Diction?

[@sj4632]

Misogyny? Using left-wing talking points now?

[@chloebelle4923]

In this case, there is evidence of actual misogyny, it's not just the usual unsubstantiated whining.

[@johnstarr2326]

😂😂👍

[@chrisle2674]

they left out the Marcia Clark should not have even been their. Marcia was hired because she was a white women during the ERA era

[@fowchiiiliedpuppiesdied]

“Judge Ito’s Failings” is redundant.

[@joellis5915]

It is, he is guilty not to be a white.

[@shantoreywilkins651]

🧑‍⚕️🕵️🧑‍🔬

[@Jeromemayle]

2:14 1:45 "Sexism"

[@chrisle2674]

Marcia Clark was a product of ERA

[@bilbob7624]

Beauty is a tool. women use it everyday to get what they want

[@jimfesta8981]

Indeed. Would Megyn have gotten that gig at FOX if she wasn't beautiful?

[@bilbob7624]

@@jimfesta8981 excellent point

[@johnstarr2326]

@@jimfesta8981 In accordance with your train-of-thought..do you want to see an ‘ugly b*tch’ on broadcast Tv? What’s your point? It’s the demand of the ‘market’...dummy!😂

[@absolutechad8805]

The prosecution was outclassed by the defense team.

[@SLee-vj4px]

remember Christopher Darden? he and Marcia Clark were "more than just friend" during the trial.

[@johnstarr2326]

Definitely. The Defense Team was brilliant. Totally outmaneuvered the clueless Clark and Darden.

[@chrisle2674]

it was the Dream Team vs 2 under-qualified lawyers. Marcia Clark ERA hire Chris Darden affirmative action hire. Even Johnny C admitted both lawyers where laughed at for being in over their head because of the system.

[@gman2974]

Marcia Clark was a camera fiend. 🙃

[@joellis5915]

she believes wrote a book of lies will change the realities.

[@samsca8529]

What does this even mean? She was the lead prosecutor of a trial that was televised. Obviously she was on camera

[@williamfiliciello2133]

Lose those 🤓 glasses

[@appamaddox8190]

Not that interesting.

[@richardybanez9052]

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[@schooltrashers]

I think this is one of the few things we disagree with. O.J. Simpson is not guilty. Glen Rogers was the one who killed Nicole.

[@blueberrycobbler]

😂🤡

[@schooltrashers]

@@blueberrycobbler Racist

[@violinhunter2]

Well, yes, OJ did it, but, maybe, just maybe, she was really terrible.... That scene at the fast food place was the last straw.....

[@liebebugphotography]

it's funny that now there's more women rights all of a sudden people finally start liking marcia and sure oj is guilty?? hello stop going with popularity and use your brain! her team was respectful and oj was animal money grubbing animalistic team ....speak gurl ❤

[@chrisle2674]

Marcia Clark was the product of ERA under-qualified person hired cause she was a white women

[@richardybanez9052]

To Kelly And Marcia.You Are Both The Copy Of Gloria Alred And Lisa Bloom.Both oaf You Females. I'm A Victim,I'm A Victim.You More Than Let Me Down.Gloria And Marcia. Richard. Let Down.

[@VoiceoverMomentum]

Why didn’t you edit out the crude low class “star-fucker” comment? Do you really need to allow that? I used to love you on Fox. I know you won’t take this as constructive so I’ll just unsubscribe. Really disappointed that a person with so much talent would stoop so low.

[@bobblenuts]

WoW, did you leave? Sorry I didn't notice. My bet is you'll be back to answer this comment 😁

[@daviddavis3389]

You have low Morales!

[@poverofnature3334]

Judge Ito is Japanese and he sees women as geishas

[@johnstarr2326]

He is an American..you bigot!! Get out of here with that sh*t!!

[@chrisle2674]

Marcia Clark was under-qualified but ERA got her hired

[@type2life396]

She and Darden absolutely sucked that trial. They were never winning anyway but the incompetence from the prosecution was a joke.

[@blueberrycobbler]

The brain dead jury was a joke.

[@woodyhayes7402]

Nicole brought this on herself. Being murdered is extreme, but she could have 100% avoided the outcome. This entire interview is basically how women are victims….

[@michaelrabinowitz5410]

Yea, Marcia Clark lost that case & made money as a result. Here's a reality check SHE is not a winner & let a person walk. She is horrible, matter fact in my world She is fired...get out of here now. She & her pal LOST

[@blueberrycobbler]

🤡