Missing 411: Mt. Shasta Disappearances

Mt. Shasta in Northern California, USA, has become the center of a number of conspiracies and a hot spot for paranormal encounters. Robot grandmas, disappearing hikers, and an underground city of Lemurians...Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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0:00 - Intro
0:16 - Mt. Shasta Folklore and History
9:57 - Mt. Shasta Robo-Granny
15:39 - Carl Landers Disappearance
26:23 - Outro

[@Psudostooge]

Sorry but calling any part of California the good part of California is completely factually inaccurate

[@robbiejohnston2023]

You mean nowadays?

[@arisenprestige5717]

@tarnished hollow cope harder Cali is a shithole

[@shanestevens5352]

SD and Yosemite are alright

[@robbiejohnston2023]

@@seanking1775 silly little boy that probably has dyed hair. Probably think animals are peaceful creatures that never hurt eachother 😂. California would be good if the leftist policies and crooked politicians left

[@AdmiralJT]

North is like a completely differentt state

[@tobilerone6129]

I lived in Mount Shasta for 24 years, and worked for the local park service for 5 years. It’s a beautiful area but please don’t go off alone I’ve had months of my life dedicated to looking for young hikers and campers.

[@tobilerone6129]

Also you are pronouncing Shasta wrong but that’s just nitpicking. Great video!

[@skylinesquid]

@@tobilerone6129 is it shasta or chasta?

[@LyddleMetalHead]

​@@tobilerone6129Is it pronounced sh-ah-sta? I've always heard both but I don't live anywhere near so I don't think/hear about it often.

[@tobilerone6129]

@@LyddleMetalHead Yeah that seems about right. Its not Sh-aw-sta its Sh-ah-sta, thanks for the comment Lyddle funny you caught my nitpicking haha. If you want to look up something kind of cool only locals would know is what lies underneath one of the more popular lakes of Mount Shasta, Whiskeytown Lake.

[@samuelyarbrough9581]

I have a question then if you yourself treked through mount Shasta for years. In your personal experience did you ever experience any supernatural occurrences while moving through the area? or disappearances that seem to be unexplainable? I just wonder how much validity some of those claims hold when faced with someone who actually has experience and has worked in the field. Like I wonder if a seasoned navigator would tell me the same things about mt shasta or at least have similar experiences

[@catphotos9836]

man how is the robot grandma story not an X Files episode, it sounds perfect lol

[@octogonSmuggler]

Or even a Tales from the Darkside episode

[@dontworryaboutit4255]

Because why do we really wanna make the rich richer while people are starving to death?

[@eddiemcguire6213]

@@octogonSmuggler "Men live in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality. But... There is,unseen by most,an underworld,a place that is just as real,but not as brightly lit...

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

It really has that right mix of weird alien/scifi/spooly stuff and a not really threateningly monstrous twist.

[@MarvinHartmann452]

There's an old movie on that subject.

[@rebeccalefthand2706]

As a Native American I must say,, Miigwetch (Thank you) for doing good research on Native Americans, most of the times we are misrepresented or misinterpreted.

[@jessebott1879]

Hey Ojibway 👍 my great great great great grandma was a Cherokee princes lol nah Ojibway also.

[@hiddenwoodsben]

except for his comments on the no-drinking-law

[@ironspaghett]

@@jessebott1879 being fair to the whole Cherokee thing They were prolific.... Uhhh... Humpers. Like rabbits. They must have spread their genes far and wide.

[@Jason-gg4lm]

@@hiddenwoodsben how so

[@disgustingwater]

Mispronounced.

[@dillonzehnder9313]

For Carl Landers' story- As part of my wilderness first aid certification, I learned about HACE (High Altitude Cerebral Edema). Essentially, when at high altitudes (there's no specific altitude this happens at, it depends on the person and the circumstance), people can get this edema that seriously effects their ability to think clearly and generally know what's going on. This can be accompanied by hallucinations and is also usually preceded by altitude sickness symptoms, which he had. I think it's really possible that he could've developed HACE, gotten completely disoriented, possibly hallucinated something horrible behind him, and gone either way farther up the mountain than he meant to or off to the side in hopes of getting his bearings. It's a nasty thing that's killed a good number of experienced mountaineers and I feel like its the most logical explanation here.

[@VladRadu-tq1pg]

anything to not admitt that paranormal things happen and you can t explain anything...way to go atheists

[@Marlene-ou5ol]

@@VladRadu-tq1pg A friend of mine used to say: "we can imagine a natural cause..." But that we can imagine some natural cause (even maybe still unknown to us) doesn't explain anything. (No surprise, he is in theology: when these guys want to exclude the possibility of something or when they want to see a miracle, there is nothing to stop them) So in a state of panic Carl threw himself in the lake, taking everything with him? But the average depth is 8 feet and the body has never been found... Or he wandered around victim of hallucinations but never let anything behind him? Very doubtful...

[@asuka-ryo]

​@@VladRadu-tq1pg please tell me this is not a serious comment

[@s0up_1223]

@@VladRadu-tq1pgwhat if it was paranormal and he also had HACE?

[@bennybongosbigolebonanza894]

That’s valuable insight. Problem is that still doesn’t explain how he completely disappeared without a trace on a Mountain with no significant crevasses, sharp drops, nor thick wilderness anywhere near the trails.

[@LucasRothstein]

What that kid described sounds exactly like a dream. Distorted and out of place versions of things he has actually experienced, like his grandmother, spiders, bizarre goals that make no sense like defecating onto a paper, etc. Note that the kid was at the age where he would have recently been potty trained. It sounds like a dream/nightmare version of his experiences with that learning process, where an adult authoritative figure wanted him to poop a certain way, and got upset if he didn't "do it right." My guess is he just had a dream and then associated it with another source of trauma - the time he was lost.

[@j3tts0n65]

I agree I think he may have somehow ingested mushrooms and got into a half awake dreamlike state and either wanderd or was snatched up by someone more likely a animal and dumped in the bush

[@ProbablyOnLSD6669]

@@j3tts0n65tell me you’ve never done mushrooms without telling me you’ve never done mushrooms

[@j3tts0n65]

@@ProbablyOnLSD6669 was only on mushrooms once they were just stems and had a white bluish look they hit me pretty good and I experienced Audio hallucinations and some weird visual distortion I also thought I heard my friends talking about things they weren’t talking about and saw objects but couldn’t recognize them till I focused So a child could have had a crazy strong reaction and hallucinations can do some strange things

[@Kroggnagch]

Solid theory. Definitely possible.

[@benenwren4110]

Or the kid was bsing. I remember telling my parents that I was going into the woods to visit a dragon when I was actually just hiding out of sight in a ditch out back. My parents played along and didn't take it seriously because they had no reason to believe I was in any danger. But I can imagine if they got scared and thought I was missing they might have taken me more seriously and tried to analyze my story.

[@shardell]

Dude was really brainstorming what spiders in a cave could mean lol

[@sendmorerum8241]

Spiders are just spiders, lol In every unkempt abode, there's a ton of them

[@Trev-jz6yw]

Haha I was thinking the same thing. Probably spiders!

[@Frederick1483]

@@Trev-jz6ywin a cave

[@VinnySlouth]

@@sendmorerum8241 You show me an abode without spiders and I'll show you an insect infested hell hole. Just think the next time you kill a spider you have allowed dozens of mosquitoes to die of old age.

[@sendmorerum8241]

@@VinnySlouth I do not kill them, just throw them outside. Also, put on mosquito screens.

[@RealHumanBeing276]

I heard the "robot granny" story before and someone pointed out that on his story, the kid mentions spider webs on robots that look like people but aren't moving, and that sounds like corpses covered by a white sheet

[@hawkticus_history_corner]

Oh, thats interesting. A somewhat sheer sheet, or some sort of netting over a body would kinda look like thick spider webs I suppose.

[@HSnake5]

Quite honestly I think it's more likely those were mannequins. That would explain why the kid didn't say "people" and could also be that whoever took him was wearing a mask or some mannequin / doll part that was made out of plastic / metall, thus giving this "robotic" appearence.

[@amandamacabre]

A bunch of bodies in a cave wrapped in burial shrouds is possibly one of the scariest things I can imagine coming across 😅

[@jypsyjewels2854]

Sh-ass-ta not shaw-sta

[@VinnySlouth]

@@jypsyjewels2854 hehe yeah it's like the Shat in Shatner.

[@acidic_pengu8297]

There's robot grandma's, there's underground civilizations, aliens, and then there's just Carl.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

What if all of that is connected. Aliens crash. They can't get their ship running again. So they hide under the mountain and check out how far humanity is developed and if we're ready for contact or even build them a replacement spaceship.Robot grandma is just there to check.

[@Felix-xv3wg]

Strangest creature of all

[@rafaelcineasta]

The underground living creatures is something not much talked about.

[@bobross4449]

And the Gritty Bear

[@The_Rat_King_Rising]

I actually have an experience with Mt. Shasta. When I was 17-18, my step father got permission from his boss to use one of his properties to stay at for a small vacation. We don't live that far away; we live in Redding. When we got there, the mountain was lit up while the town was in the dark. It was beautiful. When I went to sleep that night, I was thinking about the mountain. I had one of the most vivid and lucid dreams I have ever had and can't remember most of it. I remember how I felt. How overwhelmed I was by the whole experience. I remember that there was some... people there. I knew they weren't human, but there were a few. What I can remember seeing is the same, soft, orange-pink light that the mountain was lit up in when I saw it heading back to the property.

[@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman]

You were taking that acid Theo...

[@jessewru6425]

@@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman YOU were taking that acid Theo...

[@bradp8645]

I saw a sunset once when there was a fire to the west of Shasta and the whole snow covered mountain was brilliant orange. It was amazing. It's sad what's happened to Redding I grew up in Anderson and went back recently.

[@The_Rat_King_Rising]

@@bradp8645 Yeah. The town was relatively untouched, but the smoke was bad.

[@enalb5085]

@@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman when i took acid i saw a praying mantis wearing crazy myan jewelry and the jewelry was crazier than the bug wearing it

[@loglesby8341]

Love your videos. One thing, I'm part of the Klamath tribe. I realize we're small and most people haven't heard of us, and you did a baller job on research. Our name is pronounced CLAM-ATH. Coincidentally, I also used to live in the Shasta Lake/Redding area too and have heard about weird shit going on in Shasta, for years. Totally believe there's some crazy shit/beings up there.

[@jennieisacookie4217]

My dad grew up in that area, and I have the pleasure to hear stories about it all the time. When I heard him say "kla-moth" the first time my gut reaction was "oh no, my family has been saying it wrong this whole time" despite half of them spending half of their lives in Klamath Falls. The relief that flooded over me when I saw your correction... I'd love to go out to that area, weird shit or no, if just to pay respect to the land that raised my dad

[@Kapuzinerkresse]

******jaaa ,auch die haben mal Hunger und so viele Tiere gibt es da oben wohl eher nicht ,also gerne auch mal ein Wanderer ....😮😅

[@odincondit]

I'm glad you said it haha, I grew up in the Klamath forest in the shadow of Mt.Shasta for 19 years and hearing his pronunciation made me cringe haha.

[@burtpanzer]

Also, kind of funny that he mispronounces Shasta just as MrBallen did. As you know it's SHAH-STA not SHAW-STA.

[@HillabillyHippie]

Thank you. Yes, being from the area. The pronunciation of Klamath was a bit distracting. As well as Shasta. ‘Shas-tuh’. 😁

[@wanderinghistorian]

I think what is more creepy and unnerving than someone going missing without knowing what happened is when we DO know what happened but there is no explanation for it. Case in point: the Joshua kid who vanished while on a walk near his home who was found many years later in the chimney of a cabin not far from his house. It appeared as if the boy had taken off some of his clothes, climbed face first down the chimney, and then got stuck and died. Looking at it dispassionately, that is what happened. However, that makes absolutely NO sense. The kid wasn't drunk or under the influence. He was for all we know in his right mind. To this day it's classified as "death by misadventure" but no one believes that's the full story. It still bothers me.

[@raychapman1134]

That is an easy case to explain. He was murdered by someone who then shoved him into the chimney from inside and shoved some furniture in front of the fireplace to help hide the crime. It was a little used cabin so no one realized what had happened until the owner set about demolishing or renovating the cabin I forget what he was doing exactly. I just remember that after years of the cabin basically being abandoned he was finally doing something with it.

[@Hunne2303]

@@raychapman1134 Renovating and trying to start a fire and the smoke did not get exhausted iirc.

[@shelbymoon2892]

@@raychapman1134 Also, didn't several people witness him hanging around his suspected murderer right before he came up missing?? And if I remember correctly, I think I also heard that he has either another murder charge and/or has been guilty of violent crimes..😔🤦‍♀️

[@tdbla98]

@@shelbymoon2892 I wouldn't be surprised. That or he was coaxed into doing it. Seems like a way too fuckin crazy, out there kinda thing, for it to be he just hopped in there on his own

[@PotatoeJoe69]

If you watch some murder interrogations and do research on murderers, it's not weird at all. People who kill others, often do very strange things with the bodies, or kill their victims in horrible ways. One I watched recently was an interrogation of a man who shot his wife in the head in his kitchen, decapitated her, burried her head in his basement (dirt floor basement) and hung her body off a bridge. The thought of someone kidnapping the kid, killing him then hiding his body in a chimney isn't all that odd, as far as murders go.

[@telefellavision]

The "grandma Kappy" story always intrigued me the most out of ALL the many reports of missing 411 found & returned cases...

[@diogenes42069]

When Grandma got run over by a reindeer Santa replaced her with a robot... This is the story of that malfunctioning robot

[@RealBradMiller]

And that malfunctioning robot grandma.....was ME!!

[@douggaudiosi14]

So clever

[@devastatorboss059]

DIO!!

[@heatherrrenea]

Terrifying

[@jessecurlgoddess7320]

I love that story ❤

[@jameslawler6336]

My parents got married on the side of Mt. Shasta. My mom has always told me about how difficult it was to get their friends to hike up there for their wedding so barely anyone showed up

[@abominationdesolation8322]

I would make the hike for that wedding just to make the hike. And I never show up for things.

[@t.n.1116]

Sounds like they knew a lot of people who'd never hiked before 😂

[@amandamacabre]

Sounds like a good way to save money on food and wedding favours 😂😂

[@TheDsRequiem]

@@t.n.1116 nah. Weddings suck first of all. Im not hiking to a wedding lmao

[@Canev821]

I wouldn’t

[@steveduffy5784]

I lived near Mt Shasta and hiked, snowshoed, and skied all sides of the mountain in all seasons. I did have one strange experience on the mountain. It was early summer and I was off trail, hiking toward a ridge line on the southwest side of the mountain. I was above tree line and decided to stop for lunch. I found a clump of rocks, out of the wind, and settled in for lunch. About halfway through lunch I heard rocks above me trickling down and looked up to see the most impressive buck I'd ever seen coming down towards my position.The thought I had was this is the Arnold Schwarzenegger of deer, as its muscles were impressive. I turned to get my camera, out of my backpack, and when I looked back up the deer was gone, totally disappeared. There was nowhere it could have gone as it was all open rock and scree in every direction. later I heard a couple of stories about hunter's that thought they were about to shoot the most impressive buck they ever saw and it disappeared the moment they fired at it - it's known as the mythical buck of Mt.Shasta.

[@FallingPicturesProductions]

The tale of the Old Man of the Sky being scared of the grizzly bears he made is just the OG version of 'do you think god stays in heaven because he's scared of what he made'

[@robbiewright9573]

I was on a Department of Forestry and Fire Protection wild land fire fighting crew in the late 90s and early 2000s and we did a lot of hiking and training on and around Mt.Shasta and let me tell you, some of those areas gave us the willys and made the hair on the neck stand up!! Why? No idea! Nothing we could see with our eyes. It felt like we were always being watched!! Creepy...

[@C-Here]

You have a good 6th sense...don't ever lose it.. 👍

[@nukelex]

Carl played a game. His goal was to climb all 58 mountains in California. When he got near to Helen Lake it must’ve been close enough to the peak to count as having climbed it. Carl won the game and got to leave. The world stopped for him and he got off. Well done Carl.

[@VinnySlouth]

Cool man, a level up like that usually takes years, or tons of Gems.

[@cdurkinz]

If it were that easy they shoulda found him.

[@lalli8152]

@@cdurkinz sometimes people get killed in mountains for example by rock slides, and it takes very long to find them as they get buried. There could have been all kinda reasons why he dissappeared

[@ZBunney]

​@@cdurkinz unless his death was intentional and he hid his body so it could forever rest on the top of his final climb

[@klawzilla]

Reminds me of the Mile High Club SCP

[@Peekeon05]

The best theory I can think of on Carl is that perhaps he drowned in the lake? If they combed the rest of the area, that's probably the only place a body could be truly hidden

[@kenjethao7774]

Similar story on my end in lake mcswain, an old hmong man from my church had gone fishing with some buddies and was a prolific outdoorsman but had heart problm. Left to go get bait and didnt come back. Rumour going around all the old folks was that some forest spirit had taken him. His body was found floating not too long later nearby in the lake and it was ruled that he got a heart attack and drowned after falling into the water. Its possible something similar happened to Carl and he slipped into the water and was unable to get out.

[@hylacinerea970]

drowning is so easy. lots of people drown in that lake specifically. after exercise the body is most prone to intense cramping due to mineral depletions. one cramp can set off a chain, creating a panic attack

[@roberthalliwell7486]

They searched the lake as it was in the search area, I feel they would of found Carl at some point under the water and no reports of Carl turning up floating on the water so bit of a waste of time, there was also a story I heard of a couple men on a small island (small enough to physically see from one end of the island to the other) but one of them went missing so the other man or men looked for him an couldn't find him at first but eventually his body was found crammed under a boulder, so Carl's body could of still been anywhere round that area just not in plain sight. Thats if he didn't exit the matrix 😅

[@spookshow6999]

He would float up.

[@spookshow6999]

​@@hylacinerea970 you don't stay submerged. You bloat and float. He would've been found

[@WVgirl1959]

By the way, if you had to sedate someone and use the needle you'd only have one puncture mark and you wouldn't do it in the back of their neck. But it does sound exactly like a spider bite and there are a lot of spiders, big spiders, in California.

[@CrumpledPaperHearts]

I live in Shasta county. My wife just tripped out cuz she has camped in the same park as the “robot grandma.” The only weirdness I’ve experienced here was in high school when I had a run in with a Bigfoot a little north of McArthur CA off Day road. I’ve never experienced fear like that before or since.

[@VitalDEX]

I used to deliver FedEX off Day RD I can definitely see that happening.

[@CrumpledPaperHearts]

@@VitalDEX technically I think it was iris but we called everything out there day road.

[@VitalDEX]

@@CrumpledPaperHearts Yep! Iris is pretty wooded so I could see that especially at night with how quiet it gets out there. I would not want to do that route at night. Especially if I'm running out to Little hot springs. Fucking shit is creepy even if it's just winter under heavy cloud cover and in the wooded areas.

[@CrumpledPaperHearts]

@@VitalDEX yeah it happened around midnight in the middle of winter. I heard it breaking through the ice probably a hundred feet away.

[@CrumpledPaperHearts]

@@Shastavalleyoutdoorsman thank god we got an expert in here now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2Lcq6Kfiq56fdU

[@jamesgreb9575]

Bro you’re killing me with the pronunciation of Shasta and Klamath

[@sunnyscott4876]

Thank you 😊!

[@susanbrow1]

Agreed. It's kla·muhth. Like Or Clam moth.

[@Nero-mt1bd]

I’m a CTGR tribal member and it’s killing me to here this as well but it’s good content

[@almishti]

it's just his accent. Everyone has an accent.

[@marcusholtzheimer9316]

Never heard Shasta pronounced like that lol

[@roguedefensefirearmsllc6194]

The robot grandmother story was featured in a history channel show, a year or two ago. They interviewed the entire family on camera. They blurred some of their faces, but the family told the story. I think the show was called, "In Search Of".

[@rafaelcineasta]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKLZXqlsgLmHeck

[@graveraider1029]

I wonder why the family would wanna stay anonmous? Maybe someone told them to stay anonoymous

[@lialialia9647]

@@graveraider1029maybe they’d get hounded by people saying it was bs. Mega negative energy

[@iraclements3671]

I saw light rising off Mt Shasta as a kid. It was pretty strange. My mother sister and grandmother and myself watched it for several minutes. Glowing balls of light rising off the summit are into the sky. Probably about 1978 or 79.

[@suenoslucidos3899]

I don’t know who you are but I believe you… Ive seen something almost exactly to what your describing!

[@iraclements3671]

@@suenoslucidos3899 Very memorable considering how young I was.

[@lobodesade6780]

I believe you, I don't live anywhere like that, I live just outside Dublin City, but I have seen stuff too, unexplained lights in the sky, so yea I believe there is more out there.

[@ashiepoohme]

i love this channel because he mixes the stories, mysteries, true crime etc with the actual histories of the areas as well as legends and doesn't discredit any of it. me personally I've never seen a UFO or sasquatch but I would never tell anyone else that they didn't see it or that it doesn't exist because for all I know it does and can and I do believe the people at least saw something.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

There is often some kernel of truth behind legends. Something that happened a long time ago and was kept alive in the stories and memories.

[@ryshellso526]

Just a twist of leftist hint.

[@erikmassie9400]

I heard this story on a show called (Into The Unknown) with Cliff Simon on Travel Channel back in 2020 & Cliff actually interviewed the boy that was taken by the robot grandma (of course he was a young teen) when Cliff was interviewing Him but great story!

[@julioalbertoherrera1339]

I watched the same TV program and I was intrigued by it. I remember there was as a person claiming about performing "remote vision" into Mount Shasta. I researched a little further, his name is *John Vivanco* and he has very strange stories about CIA using *remote vision* teams. And these teams detected extraterrestrial bases, intra-terrestrial beings and inter-dimensional beings. In another video Mt. Vivanco tells more about his *remote vision research on Mount Shasta* and it is utterly fantastic. According to his narrative, Mount Shasta contains a *very old extraterrestrial base* 👽. The stories about artifacts, caves and machinery inside Shasta are true, according to this version. The base is thousands of years old, but *the original inhabitants left it.* At some points, other kind of creatures, which are believed are *intra-terrestrial* occupied the base. They are interested into taking biological samples of humans. They predate on lonely hikers and it is supposed they can disguise somehow, maybe by projecting images in our minds. So they are dangerous, and are waiting in the caves for anyone who passes near these places. And that's why this place is forbidden for native American tribes. And these creatures took the kid to their cave for some hours, and by fortune, they returned him to the surface.

[@fae6377]

lived near shasta most my life and everyone ive talked to about it has a weird story about it. it definetly has some wild energy could just be the volcanic aspect but certainly strange

[@Ammo08]

Many years ago when I was in the Air Force, some friends and I went camping up there. One of our buddies was really into Lemurians, Bigfoot, etc...that's why we went, we were humoring him. When we got there he asked the Park Ranger if he had ever seen anything strange. Teh ranger said, "Nothing but those hippies.."

[@lesliemisaacs]

The tribe’s name is pronounced CLAM-ith.

[@outdatedboat]

thank you. his pronunciations were driving me insane.

[@ForbiddenFish]

I scrolled down to see if anyone else had mentioned this lol

[@poponachtschnecke]

Mt Shah-sta 🤭

[@p.phillips291]

Yeah and specifically it's the Modoc people who speak the same language as the Klamath but they are a distinct tribe (descendants of whom are part of the Klamath reservation in southern Oregon or the Modoc Tribe in OK). Other tribes around Mt Shasta: Shasta tribe and Wintu

[@roguebot6132]

@@poponachtschneckeI had to stop watching after the 4th time.

[@_afracturedmind_]

I love hearing stories about the places near me. I've heard some wild shit about shasta. I'm about an hr from shasta and I used to camp near there mostly like castle crags, black butte, McCloud and then farther away in lassen when I was younger. I have experience with the mountains and forests in norcal and the surrounding scenery by shasta and Lassen. But shasta has a weird vibe, even before I ever heard the legends. The energy there is just different. Like old and uneasy. I wasn't surprised when I first started hearing stories, I asked my dad and he told me some weird lore about it too. Elaborate tunnels, strange sightings and sounds, missing people, reptilians, giants, and Bigfoot type encounters. Glad you covered Mt shasta (:

[@dear.ambelina]

Professor Aiden coming in clutch again with history, geography, mythology, anthropology, and scathing sarcasm. Listening to these videos get me through my night shifts as a healthcare worker. Thank you

[@jerrymoore838]

Its possible that Carl had a medical issue with his heart or brain, panicked and got himself into trouble. Have seen the livingroom of a loved one who never regained consciousness. He had obviously panicked. Knocked over, scattered and broken items, hall closet door pulled off track.... more than just that. Enough to know that he sadly had been freaking out trying to breathe and get to help. Its possibly that Carl could have had a similar issue that caused a blind panic. Sad case no matter what happened. Thanks for your channel. You do a great job

[@Reflectivityy]

The second story about the gentleman, I do have a theory. When you experience altitude sickness, a variety of symptoms can occur varying on age. In older people, delusions are more than possible. My theory is that while he may have passed the ranger, somewhere at some point in time he wandered way far off the trail. He may not have been in the right State of mind after climbing even higher. If you were to expand the search area, I'm sure bones in his body would turn up. Well not now considering scavengers and so forth.

[@chrps0at0cops]

I was thinking something along these lines as well. If not, he could have been picked up by helicopter if he was trying to disappear but idk if there's motive for that. And the pilot would report it once notified of the search unless they were in on it for whatever reason

[@AFarmerCalledChicken]

Agreed. When we went to Colorado to visit family, I was the unfortunate one to get altitude sickness. I was incredibly dizzy, anxious, had difficulty breathing, I ended up buying one of those little oxygen cans to try and alleviate some of the symptoms. I can’t imagine how scary it would be to be alone while that was happening.

[@benenwren4110]

Infinitely more plausible than anything supernatural or conspiratorial. He was getting somewhat old, was already experiencing altitude sickness, and was hiking alone.

[@bexnewt]

In re: Carl Landers's disappearance, I raise the possibility of animal attack. Mountain lions are ambush predators who attack and then carry their prey elsewhere. Initial searches were made with the reasonable expectation that Carl would be uphill from Camp 51/50. Looking up mountain lion kill-site forensics, they tend to carry prey downhill and leave little trace (to help hide their kill from other animals that might steal it, among other reasons). That alone could put enough time between Carl being taken and the chance to find any evidence of animal interaction. You mentioned the lack of visible tracks. I can't be certain of course, but it might be a case of being alone in the wrong place, wrong time :(

[@ajnegro2052]

Wouldn’t he scream or something if that were the case?

[@bexnewt]

@@ajnegro2052 I'm sure one would want to scream, or try to, in the event of an attack, but mountain lions are fast and efficient. In the recent attack on cyclist Keri Bergere, the cat bit down into her face/jaw. Predator animals don't want a lot of noise or struggle from prey, or attention that may attract competition. So I'd say that doesn't rule it out.

[@ajnegro2052]

@@bexnewt yeah it’s definitely a possibility if they bite for the throat first. Strange situation for sure

[@DrDurango]

This story comes off as a creepy pasta to me. That being said, I've seen a UFO floating above Lake Shasta when I was a kid.

[@yarrow1113]

I used to live by Mt Shasta. The lore behind it is very intriguing and it’s truly an amazing place. Awesome content!! Thank you for acknowledging the indigenous people of the region and the details of their culture. 🤘🏼

[@Positive_Vibes_Ali]

I’m new to this channel and enjoy your stories Aidan. You’re adorable and I love that you do your own research. I stumbled across you through Mr. Ballen’s 411 stories which he mentions as well come from David’s Missing 411 books. At my age I’ve seen quite a few things that make no sense, especially in my work as a hospice nurse. I’ve finally figured out that we don’t have it all figured out - that we’re not NEARLY as smart as we think we are, and that just because we can’t see it, smell it, feel it or taste it - does NOT mean it doesn’t exist or it isn’t possible. It wasn’t that long ago we were not able to see bacteria and viruses but that didn’t mean they didn’t exist. There are many dimensions that again…not that long ago we thought there were only 4 dimensions and we now know there are dozens. Are more possible? Of course there are. My daughter studies physics for her engineering degree and already they’re having to admit our laws of physics on this planet may not work elsewhere in the Universe. I remember thinking how RIDICULOUS it was to think there were creatures on this planet we didn’t know about. Now I know how ridiculous that kind of close-minded thinking is. There’s something terrifying and oddly comforting realizing there’s so much more out there than what meets the eye. Or ears. Or….you get it 😆😆

[@lialialia9647]

Love this. Humility opens so many doors

[@Positive_Vibes_Ali]

Thank you for such kind words 🥹🙏❤@@lialialia9647

[@TheStarcruiser]

I live in Australia & have Shasta/Karuk ancestry. It's good hearing Native folklore & missing 411 stories about this mysterious & Sacred Mountain. Well Done!👍

[@yevki7606]

When I heard “robots turned off”, my mind immediately went to mannequins But I’m not entirely sure

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Robots are the less spooky version here

[@Nocturnal_Asteria]

See, mine went straight to corpses.

[@UhOphelia]

​@@Nocturnal_Asteriasame. The human mind tends to try to sugarcoat things to protect our sanity (hence so many cases of families inviting in a hospice nurse for a routine check up on "sleeping" meemaw and the hospice nurse having to break the bad news). Seeing a grey, dead corpse as a small child, your brain could very likely go "ah, yes. Robots."

[@prodhouston579]

I once camped on my Shasta deep in the forest with just me, my friend and 2 hammocks. The day started great we built a camp and had some fun but as it got dark we started getting really bad vibes. We built a fire to hopefully distract us and give us some peace but we then realized we built a fire in what possibly looked like a ritual spot or some kind of emblem. We both started getting jumpy and scared (even though we've done this before just never at mount Shasta) and we heard moving and banging on trees (not to mention the bongos that played all night) and swear we saw shadows and eyes so at one point we just left most of our shit and ran out of the forest. Still the scariest shit I've done to this day and ive been to "more dangerous places" Mt Shasta just has scary fucking vibes and you can feel it in that town. I grew up near Mt Shasta and I had multiple people I knew go missing to go join a cult up there, scary shit.

[@emilylitchko9414]

I love your channel. Every time I watch I always imagine myself in a cozy cabin camping with my parents. It’s a true gift that you can simply tell a story and transport my entire being to a better, simpler time. Thank you for all that you do.

[@hellovicki6779]

This truly is one of the oddest 411 tales. I took the spiders to mean that the items the boy observed were coated in spiders and webs indicating they had been stored there for a prolonged time. The stool sample element is truly bizarre, perhaps necessary to obtain a microbial biome to be introduced into the hybrids the aliens were creating (just speculating, who the hell knows?). The story, if told from a child, is 'compelling'.

[@user-qr4qh6zw4b]

Or maybe just a sick fuck dressed as a robot

[@GAsAMVsAnimeMusicVideos]

Really love these stories, i just heard this second part from bedtime stories as well in their most recent video about this kid on the mountain. This story from the kid just seems so odd though im not sure what to make of it. Looking forward to more videos, cheers from Sweden!

[@TFLdotcom]

The thing I told you about in my critical comment, I’m pretty certain it followed me home from a forest my friends and I went to. My friends and I stayed all night. The stalking started right when I got home, in the morning in broad daylight. I immediately felt in danger as soon as I was alone. I’ll never forget that feeling. It’s how I know I’m safe from whatever that is, that I don’t have that feeling. It’s not chills down your spine, but an inexplicable fear of your surroundings.

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

This is the greatest thumbnail ever lol. Great video as always man. I love missing 411 and acknowledge the extremely strange phenomenon. However I don’t trust David Politis at all. The fact that you guys were able to get a solid theory from the locals by simply just going there and talking to people leads me to believe that David isn’t really interested in non-paranormal explanations. How has he never gone and talked to the locals after all these years?

[@raychapman1134]

He quite often ignores any evidence that refutes the story he is crafting. Plus he cherry picks through all of the incidents that happen throughout the entire country. Which is thousands upon thousands of cases over the decades. so with that many incidents to comb through you are absolutely bound to come across some odd or strange occurrences. The thing is the more opportunities means that sooner or later something completely unexpected or "impossible" is eventually going to happen. not to mention national parks are inherently HUGE and are complete wilderness where anything can and will happen. sinkholes and unexplored and unknown caves explain how someone could just disappear and not ever be found. fall down one hidden in the scrub and you are gone forever.

[@toddlinder-flowman6687]

Yeah, Paulides is a sheister

[@joelspaulding5964]

Following "Missing 411" stories since David's first appearance on "Coast To Coast." This is by far one of the most interesting and bizarre... and a personal favorite. Really appreciate the depth and different perspectives you bring to every tale. The extra backstories really let even those very familiar with the material, to enjoy it in a new, informative, and entertaining manner.

[@3ok403]

Thank you for that video!!! Mount Shasta is incredible and very magical!! I was not expecting to see anything but when I pass and camp down there with my van, i was by myself the First night outside looking at the stars and the amazing beast of the mountain and i swear I saw a light going down from the top to the bottom very fast!! I thought was a drone but was very far and too much big and too strong light, and moved too fast, who knows maybe was prospective?? Maybe something eerie, but i swear I'll never forget

[@javagoblin1585]

"Hudson Bay is an old company that did a lot of trapping." Thats got to be the most oversimplified way to describe HBC lol.

[@carliecole2563]

Hahahah Still a smidge better than: "They've been around awhile doing stuff & things & now they, like, make clothes."

[@chuckn4851]

God forbid he doesn't go into the potential hours upon hours of historical extrapolation in order to stay focused on the subject content of the video lol

[@SR-lr7he]

That part made me laugh really hard. Glad someone else noticed it too 😆

[@javagoblin1585]

@@SR-lr7he lol yeah, its like saying Hilliburton builds houses.

[@bruderschweigen6889]

​@javagoblin1585 it's Canada no one cares lol

[@bossman5k767]

Just to clarify…it’s Klaa-mith, not Klaw-moth. Keep the great vids coming!

[@TheLoreLodge]

Thanks for the info!

[@mattvasquez4265]

Could I also add, as someone from Mount Shasta city, we say "Shaast-uh" with an /a/ sound rather than /o/ or "ah". Love seeing videos on my home town!! Definitely subscribing after this one!

[@NUFIGHTER]

I was wondering that too, like why is he producing it weird? Same with Shasta! Great info and video btw!

[@williamfoote1609]

Thank you Bossman5k. I was about to attempt to correct as well. No need now that you did so.

[@habibbi77]

I'm sure I'm not the only one but I keep putting these on to learn about one thing and suddenly I'm happily bopping around getting a tangentially related history lesson and then it circles back to the original story and I'm surprised and taken back (all in a good way). I love the background information. ❤

[@frost598]

See, now the reason I've come to trust and truly respect you is because of the fact, you do the looking, you don't leave something unturned if you can help it and track this stuff yourself and genuinely want to make sure the real truth is known. Thank you for being so dedicated to your work (:

[@bradkempton7905]

I trust that David Paulides truly believes the stories that he writes, I trust his heart is in the right place and I trust that something really weird/dangerous is happening, there are just too many strange disappearances for them all to be normal explanations. That being said, I do think that he twists and omits facts to fit his "search criteria" and fit whatever his theory is. There are a few cases where the subject had a known history of depression/suicidal thoughts and drug or alcohol addiction. Both of those are supposed to exclude a case being put on his list based on his criteria. I use him as a source for sure, but I also fact-check his information as best as I can before I form my own opinion on any specific case.

[@johnmudd6453]

Got to agree with you about Paulides ,

[@kaitlint3987]

Would be a good addition to a thread I saw once about the idea that bears are human's spiritual brother (I think) we certainly are more similar than you'd think

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

there is a reason we don't eat bear. And why bear isn't it's real name. Wouldn't want to call them over.

[@Ihatevan]

Hey about the robot grandma , the kid might be 3.5 years old but he has no reason to just make up a story if not in trouble and a while afterwards as well. Kappy had DNA removed and that's why the puncture marks were on her neck. I am sure this is how a double Kappy came to be. I believe this story more than the others. Creg in Vancouver Canada

[@chanmang]

new to the channel, I have to say I really like how much research you do into these cases and that you offer more than one narrative

[@sosmotorcycles]

just wanted to say i watched the pka interview and a couple minutes in and i decided id just find your channel. they really treat their guests like shit sometimes. its like woody cant grasp the concept that you dont have to believe something for it to be interesting.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Honestly I should’ve watched their stuff a bit more to be better prepared for what kind of show it was, that was on me. I’d happily do it again, maybe try to keep more focused on my areas of expertise though ya know?

[@sosmotorcycles]

@@TheLoreLodge yeah they aren’t always like that either I mean I don’t watch them all the time but I have noticed some guests are treated different than others

[@AccessDeniedLULZ]

PKA do this thing where they try to one up their guests no matter the topic

[@kristinsevin]

I'm gonna have to look that up. I haven't seen that interview yet. That's crazy that theyd treat their guests that way though. Some people are just so egotistical, they are hell bent on making themselves look like the bigger and better person

[@dork_mork6953]

Your ability to research and represent misrepresented things is just *chef kiss* ty man

[@5amH45lam]

You're a great storyteller, which is enhanced with excellent support visuals. All produced in a simple, highly effective way. Subbed. 👍

[@ashman0071]

I was a Boy Scout, soccer player, basketball player and track runner in high school - I summited Mt. Whitney on both day hikes 3 times ( over 20 mile round trip from the parking lot - better start early ) and from Guitar Lake 2 times - I can assure you Carl was WAY out of his element - a man has got to know his limitations.......

[@snackbarqueen]

I just found your KZbin channel today and I'm really enjoying it ! You do a great job on these videos 😊❤

[@battlebirdbricks8892]

Would it be possible to find records of a search organized around Mt. Shasta at the time the first story was supposed to take place? It’s incredibly hard to believe with no names or verifiable information at all, but if a search was organized wouldn’t there be a record of that that could correlate to some details?

[@wilkeshowes2917]

It’s funny hearing the story about summiting mount Shasta, because I’ve camped at 51/50 twice now and failed two separate attempts from factors that prevented me from reaching the top. But being on top of red banks and looking out was a view.

[@updownstate]

Interesting topics, clear speech with correct cadences, good storyteller, winner all around.

[@walvegasgunsandoutdoors]

He said he didn't feel well that morning, if he suddenly dropped dead and sat for a while his body temperature would eventually be the same as the ambient environment, hence the thermal camera not picking him up. Just my 2 cents.

[@cosmictraveler1146]

Idk it takes a bit for the body to cool after death if I’m remembering right?

[@ryanholloway5576]

This is a good ch I’m into lots of the stuff you cover! Thanks

[@hollyjollyxmas]

I’ve been waiting for this video since I found your channel

[@lannamama2034]

Mt Shasta has always been a well known area for strange things happening. It's both brutal and beautiful depending on the season and altitude. Above and in the tree line is where many issues seem to arise. "Shasta" also means "beautiful" in Russian.

[@dianalukianova6235]

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like Happiness in Russian😂

[@bebop1441]

I was climbing shasta this summer on vacation. It baffles me how he could just disappear in such an open place.

[@calldon4688]

Another video that delivers. Great job.

[@justsomedude5727]

He climbed the final summit and unlocked the keys to ascension

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Just jumped off the planet. That is the trick with flying. You throw yourself to the ground, and miss.

[@Snarl_Marx]

Growing up in Mt. Shasta these (and many others) were common campfire stories, as kids we'd even go and do our own "investigations". 18+ years spent in them woods, saw some really freaky sh*t. Especially around Black Butte.

[@Superiocrates]

Elaborate

[@vondahartsock-oneil3343]

Ya, "Telos" all about it ;)

[@frvnkie.g]

What did you see?

[@kenziecarter9458]

This is such a classic lore lodge video, I keep rewatching

[@Toasty_Britches]

My family is from that area (McCloud, specifically) and it's always fun to hear things about it! Great vid!

[@themoops4006]

Your three year old that went missing in the woods for six hours then mysteriously returned later tells you he was kidnapped by a "robot" and that it wanted him to poop for it and you're like "Nah, that's just his imagination"? This sounds like he was abducted, abused and then released.

[@sunnydaze5721]

It does

[@wintersprite]

Interesting stories. While I’ve never been to CA, my American Girl Kirsten doll visited Lake Shasta during some travels with fellow collectors back in 2007. I also hosted a small handful of dolls around that time as well.

[@derekhughes8318]

Awesome video keep up the good work

[@echlinryan]

Fantastic video!

[@SnailHatan]

Mt Shasta is a strange place. It has what I can only describe as an uneasy, imposing, and yet beautiful energy that permeates through the air all around it. Stunning landscape, but a creeping tickle on the back of your neck. Like there’s an ancient, violent history there. A lot of very mentally ill people live in the towns around it. Some say the “sacred geometry” of the mountain produces an energy field that draws in wayword spirits. As for Carl? I’m saying mountain lion or black bear. They’re all over. He was also old. Strokes happen. He also had altitude sickness, so he was already not his normal self. Low oxygen-induced delusions and confusion sre well known symptoms. Weakness, fatigue, irritability to exercise, on and on. He very well could have become confused and lost, even on such a straightforward trail. Especially at his age.

[@Iamyl4]

I remember originally coming across the robot grandma story on Above top secret in like 2013 I think and it’s crazy how now it’s well known. It was supposedly written by the parent of the child

[@JLE999]

Mt. Shasta actually does have crevasses on the north side of the mountain. I think Carl made it further than they thought and somehow fell into one and that’s why he was never found.

[@janetpaul4330]

Hey I just found you!, I really like your videos.....great information...keep going brother!!!! Thsmk you...happy holidays

[@JoshuaWeirdo]

I just discovered your channel yesterday, and I am loving the content. Don't take this the wrong way, because I mean it as a compliment, I love TomSka, but you remind me of TomSka a little. Like an American TomSka who talks about the paranormal instead of doing comedy skits. You have a pleasant speaking voice and are very knowledgeable about what you're talking about and you do your own research. Keep on being awesome.

[@johnchedsey1306]

Without compelling evidence for something more supernatural, it's essentially idle speculation. Having said that, here's MY idle speculation. What if he went into a fugue state of some sort due to altitude sickness, or maybe bumped his head just enough to cause a concussion bringing on confusion...and just wandered so far away from any potential search area that his body still hasn't been discovered. It's super mundane and I'm just guessing, of course.

[@bruhmoment-go2ht]

This is the area where I live!!! So interesting to see you cover something that's relevant to me lol!! Great video like always man!!

[@themartialartsmermaid]

SHASTINA COME GET SOME HAM!! I stumbled upon this channel quite by accident, and I'm so happy about it.

[@youlikegames693]

I bounced out of pka after like 5 minutes to come watch your videos so I can hear you actually speak

[@bossman5k767]

Same

[@yee6118]

@@AngelicVirtue Kyle and Taylor are still fun its Woody thats the REAL problem

[@Jane_8319]

Could Karl have reached the lake and then kept going? It sounds like they didn’t search the rest of the mountain

[@MikeInOregon]

Hearing Klamath pronounced “claw moth” is almost as distracting as hearing Oregon pronounced “Ory gone”.🤣

[@skritbox]

this is crazy because i had just moved from that area of california and im starting to see stories of it. its kinda cool to see the stories of where i grew up. i think northern california can be very beautiful (depending on where you go) and i really miss its woods and driving 2 hours to the snow on shasta.

[@alicearial6055]

Just about to start a walk along the Oregon trail, than south to a temple at mount shasta. Have me real nervous for both the trip with some of your other videos, and now the destination too! I dont wanna meet robot granny!

[@otosere2857]

well?

[@alicearial6055]

@@otosere2857 Nothing to the coast, but didnt turn south went back east.

[@maMFzach]

Personally I don't think landers ever made it to camp 50 50. I think it's a cover up. I don't buy the going ahead because I'd be lagging behind all day story

[@lovrboi]

do you think his friends killed him or were at least in on it? or maybe that the guy who said he might have seen him walking to helen lake was in on it too?

[@TrippyTheShroom]

Great video!

[@queriesntheories3309]

New here, really enjoying your content! 😮

[@valentinebrunett8700]

Did this man scoff at a mud flood like Seattle wasn't burried by a rock slide once already?

[@hippothehippo]

Heavily appreciate that this channel does the leg work to find native accounts and usually doesn’t just dismiss them for not being written accounts. Also, glad to hear you looked into the specific tribe’s preferred reference as “Indian” rather than just assuming. The reason some tribes prefer “Indian” is that it helps separate Natives living in the modern United States from their relatives living in central and South America, where it’s rarer to hear the term used. Also always nice to hear acknowledgement that the US’s interaction with natives was atrocious and indefensible.

[@sallylea1]

You do an amazing job Aiden!!

[@brannancloward]

Cool coverage, everybody is talking about my town lately!

[@Xavus-137]

I love missing 411 its scary and fascinating

[@martithdurel3974]

If the ranger had spoken to a man at the lake, I would assume he would have asked said lake man (or mentioned to the man) what he (the ranger) was doing out there. Ergo our missing man would have been made aware that people were looking for him. And presumably... gone to his friends. So it either wasn't the man who went missing, the man had amnesia, didn't want to be found, or it was an imposter. (But... then again shouldn't that ranger have had a picture or description of the missing person?) The first story sounds fantastic. Sources that say fantastic stories but insist on remaining anonymous always put me in the skeptic corner. (I don't trust sources that refuse to identify themselves in order to fact check their claim.) They don't mention how old the sister was, to avoid being identified? Or because they didn't recall the age of their own (grand)kids?

[@tylerdavis3]

It was before they realized he was missing lmao

[@DPolk98]

I always consider anonymous stories to have slightly more validity than stories told by people who identify themselves, because it’s obviously not people looking for fame