Missing 411: The Yosemite Cluster

Home to beautiful scenery, natural wonders, and countless hiking trails, Yosemite National Park is also known for something much darker: the unsolved disappearances of numerous people. From a mystery body discovered in the 60's to the disappearances of teenaged Stacy Arras and hiker Timothy Barnes in the 1980's, this national treasure seems to be hiding a concerning secret. Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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[@thelittlepodperson5722]

It is my understanding that there are 800 miles of trails in Yosemite, and if you watch a few first person POV vids, it's apparent that the trails are not well (or at all) marked. A few years ago, I was on a trail I had hiked probably 100 times and SOMEHOW (I'll never figure out), I got lost; totally turned around. I looked at my dogs and said, "Get us out of here" and they took me STRAIGHT to the path out.

[@thisisquist]

Everyone likes to give dogs baby voices and personalities, but in reality they must be sassy ass motherfuckers. "Does the human know where he's going?" "Fuck if I know, wouldn't be the first time"

[@jessegallego8251]

I love my dogs too.they are a most in the woods

[@valeries5722]

Wow ...incredibly smart dogs

[@DatBoiUKno]

@@valeries5722 I mean we bred them that way. “Get out” to a dog usually defaults to go somewhere else. Dogs usually go somewhere familiar and are great at back tracking. I love dogs and their unbelievable smarts are a big reason.

[@valeries5722]

@@DatBoiUKno I do as well. I have four😁. Not sure how smart mine are tho. Lol

[@peppersaltsman6044]

The family that died of heat stroke only had half the recommended amount of water for 1 adult, let alone 2 adults a baby and a dog. They also died separated from each other, with one adult sitting under a tree with the baby and dog and the other trying to get to the car. They obviously didn't make it. Plenty of weird stuff happens in national parks, but these people clearly died of heat stroke. It happens. My dumb ex almost died of heat stroke because he was bike riding in FL with only 1 bottle of Gatorade

[@Gravuun]

I mean maybe, but if it was that obvious what killed them, why first tell the public "We dont know" and then search for toxic algae, mine shaft gas ect, and THEN tell the public after weeks "Nah jk they died cause they were stupid" Dont make sense to me, I believe something else killed them

[@kiwik2951]

I am from a desert in California and I would see people hiking in 120 degree weather, no shade, one little bottle of water, not even a freaking hat on.

[@kennethschoen7796]

A police detective clearly doesn't think so.

[@kingcharming1]

But they still had water in their bottle, so wouldn't the bottle be empty if heatstroke was the cause?

[@peppersaltsman6044]

@@kingcharming1 have you looked up the signs of heat exhaustion and heat stroke? You start getting nauseous, dry heaving, and can't hold anything down. So even if they drank water, they would vomit it back up. If heat exhaustion progresses it can cause confusion and an altered mental state. It's not like they were just really hot then fell over and died. They died on their way back to their car when the temperature was getting up there. They were probably fine on the way up the trail because they started in the morning when it was cooler, and they did not prepare for hotter temps on the way back. Dehydration is no joke

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

I find it very suspicious that the friends of the tall guy with the compromised ankle didn’t report/ look for him after he was gone for so long. I also find it suspicious that the old man was the last to see Stacey supposedly.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Yeah both situations are very odd. We’re hoping to get a TV deal so we can afford to investigate.

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

@@TheLoreLodge that would be awesome hoping the best for you guys.

[@taylabrinkley5170]

i dunno they might have been drinkin or taking something in the meantime which could have caused their response

[@frustrateduser9933]

@@taylabrinkley5170 It's likely they were drinking, and it's possible they were using drugs, which is why they they waited to report. Could have just thought their buddy was off pleasantly tripping in nature.

[@randomheadful7190]

I agree, I think the friends were probably using drugs and didn’t want police there. This was the 80s and the “war on drugs “ was a real threat.

[@kyledamron]

As an 8 year old I was almost lost in Yosemite. I had my first asthma attack and got sepperated from the adults. Thank God they noticed quickly found me carried me as far down as they had to, to get me airlifted out. I'll never forget that day and night.

[@mrbigshoworelse]

Where I'm from we call you a "goddamn lucky bastard".

[@sway_onthetrail]

I thru hike and backpack often, I genuinely think almost all of these disappearances have logical explanations. Not saying paranormal things don't exist and I do actually sit on the fence about some cryptids, like bigfoot; but most of the time I do think it's sheer incompetence or overconfidence in the cases of "Experienced outdoors people." I can not tell you the amount of people I see on trail without any of the 10 essentials of hiking, and everytime I pass one of them I just pray they don't become a statistic. On the contrary, the amount of people I see bushwhacking through unmarked trails that they really have no business doing is just as high. I have actually been one of the latter, was way too overconfident, just walked into the woods and got completely lost. Luckily I have navigation training and got lucky, so I made it out in a few days, but even the more experienced outdoorsmen don't typically have that training. The most dangerous part of nature isn't the flora or the fauna. It's the elements. If you aren't prepared for something to go wrong, and it does, nature isn't going to show mercy. The other portion I think foul play comes into effect. It's not crazy to think that serial killers could still use national parks as hunting grounds. History shows it's not too farfetched. Honestly, the real Missing411 cases that catch my eye are people who were later found and have these insane stories of what happened to them. Those are the real stories that will have you questioning paranormal happenings in the backcountry.

[@eyetrollin710]

I have seen so many Missing 411 cases where they say these people are experienced Outdoorsman but a brief Google search shows that they probably aren't anything more than Weekend Warriors who have done a few decent hikes. Most of them are not physically fit enough for what they're about to embark on and do not have the proper supplies for what they're embarking on nor are they humble enough to do what they're doing because yes when people are a little too successful in civilized world that same ego goes with them into the bush, they honestly think they're omnipotent, and the forest teaches them otherwise. I'm a 40-year-old woman who weighs 100 lb and I've spent the last 20 years of my career and life in some of the most remote parts of the Pacific Northwest from Vancouver up into the Yukon, I've nearly lost my assistant more than once in the bush and when I find them they are terrified, and one was definitely being stalked by a bear but I got to him first. The forest has 10,000 ways of killing you and never revealing your body most people don't give it the respect it's due, and most people really don't know how to behave when they get scared in the forest. The trick is to never ever be scared in the forest, the second you act like pray you smell like prey and that brings the Predators. I'm in Canada so I don't have the luxury of working with a firearm and even when I'm out on my own I have nothing more than a machete,, but I never ever ever act like prey or smell like prey, I sing loud and off key if I get afraid it makes me laugh it changes my pheromones it tells everyone in the forest where I am so I'm not sneaking up on them it also tells them that I'm not scared because I'm being loud, also because I've worked in the same region for so long I wear the same very expensive perfume they know my smell they know when I come into the forest and that I'm going to be loud and obnoxious and to leave me alone it also helps mask any fear pheromones that might slip out. One time I was up a remote fjord with several large men and as we were walking around the bay a Scout wolf came out I watched four big dudes run back into the tree line, so the wolf started pushing the boundary I charged at the wolf screaming oh my God you're so f****** cute and that thing be lined it into the forest quicker than the dudes did, they were out for a field trip I knew I was going to have to work in that forest for the next 2 weeks hiking deep into the bush I didn't need to be associated with those prey. The worst part is all of those men were older than me and had Wilderness training and experience but the second they seen a wolf they ran like scared little school boys. I've never heard an outdoor awareness program tell you to wear expensive perfume and sing loud and off key while laughing,, but that's done a real good job of keeping me alive. solo Runners going on mountains I mean come on that's McDonald's for a cougar, Hunter's going out stinking of prey pheromones no wonder even with their side arms enough of them go missing. David Paulides Cherry pics what facts he wants to acknowledge and what he wants to ignore to fit his agenda that's not respectable science he's addressed several missing people in my area and I know full well what happened to them even though he wants to make it something much more ridiculous and elaborate. Funny how almost none of the 411 people are experienced trappers who have spent their life living in a remote region....

[@nerdjournal]

Well, I certainly enjoy the stories where people have wild stories, but I think even then it's most likely a rational explanation. The stress being lost in the woods with no light, no sense of where you are, where you are going, or what is out there in the dark. You probably think about all these scary stories just like the ones with the really strange stories and you hear something. You think you recognize it, but then your brain starts to question it. People say there are shapeshifters, big foot, chupacabra, and the moth man. Soon paranoia makes you even more unsure of yourself since you are already unsure of everything else. Then slowly by slowly, you start to get hungry or you get thirsty. You are all alone you swear you are dying. Why wouldn't your mind invent similar boogeymen? Why wouldn't they either adopt the narrative they have been told so long and so many times or their mind substitutes their own fears from their own nightmares. Alone, lost, cold, and hungry, scared in the dark sure you will die. I know if it were me, I'd certainly convince myself that noise out there, on the third night of not sleeping, wasn't just a bear, it was an animal from of the demon in the Exorcist. At the very least I would certainly come to think any squirrel dropping acorns from the tree was an alien. Or extremely weird hairless monkeys, maybe.

[@gothicjesus]

@eye🐝trollin I really appreciate you sharing your experience, that's actually really smart to consider maskng fear pheromones, and scaring that wolf away, you sound like a bad ass, that is how I want to be someday 😍. I'm from suburbs and don't get into the country much but I've really come to appreciate the knowledge of outdoorsmen, like there is so much you need to know to be able to survive in the wild. I feel like most of us are so conditioned to living in what i call "people proof" ( like baby proof ) houses that weve all kind of been dumbed down. I'll have try the loud off key singing advice haha.

[@lizabee484]

This 👆🏻👆🏻 My whole family is involved with the parks service and has been for years. My parents’ honeymoon was a 10-day backpacking trip in Maine in late September. When I tell you even experienced, careful professionals who have worked in the wilderness for decades can make careless, rookie mistakes that could very well get them killed, it’s because I have no small amount of stories about members of my family and other experienced woods-people doing just that. For example, my mother and her friend, both seasoned outdoors women who met when they were park rangers- and who, at the time of this particular incident, each had ~30 years experience working for the parks service, (not to mention that they spent their entire lives exploring the wilderness for fun prior to that employment)- went, as they often did, to the Northern shore of one of the Great Lakes on a short vacation in late fall one year, and made a very poor decision. They wanted to hike a trail off the highway up into a more elevated, rocky area to go see a waterfall that they had visited the year before on a similar trip. It was the first day of their trip, late in the evening-the sun was close to setting when they set out on the trail, they hadn’t told anyone where they were going, they were tired from traveling, didn’t know the trail well, didn’t bring anything except their nearly dead phones and car keys with them, weren’t wearing anything close to proper hiking attire, and didn’t take notice of the fact that the trail was steep, rocky, and covered in ice from melting snow and quickly dropping evening temperatures. They ended up turning back before they got to the end of the trail, (thank god bc I’ve been there now and the end of that trail has an even steeper grade and even some sheer drops only blocked off by wooden fences/barricades that can get pretty slippery when icy), but discovered that the sun had set more quickly than they expected, their phone flashlights wouldn’t last long enough to get them back to their car, and in the dark it was going to be very difficult to see where they were going, let alone to be able to ensure they had chosen the right path, or be able to avoid obstacles or dangers. That area has wolves, bears, and moose spotted with pretty decent regularity, which could have potentially been a danger to them in these circumstances. They slipped and fell several times trying to hurry back to their car in the dark, with no reception, no flashlights, no food or water, still wearing their ‘city shoes’. My mother swears to this day that if one of them had fallen wrong and broken an ankle, in those temperatures (which would have easily fallen to around zero degrees F with the windchill), one or both of them might not have survived. They both agree it’s the stupidest thing they’ve ever done, and joke that it’s one of the closer brushes with death they’ve had during their careers in law enforcement, and neither of them was even on duty! Point is, anyone can make a stupid mistake and not think anything of it until after you’ve realized that you may have just put yourself in serious danger. BE CAREFUL. Whenever you’re going out in the wilderness. NO MATTER HOW LITTLE TIME YOU PLAN TO SPEND THERE. ALWAYS bring the essentials, and ALWAYS tell someone else where you’re going and when you will be back. Even if you’ve been a park ranger for 30 years, you can still fuck up by not being careful and prepared, and end up in a potentially life threatening situation. Stay safe out there everyone.

[@actionfaction2558]

Having nearly been hit by a falling branch, I pay way more attention to even the condition of the trees…I think statistically, 5 to 10 people a year are killed by falling trees or branches, it’s not just weather and predators folks need to watch. Pay close attention to all aspects of the environment around you.

[@DarkxxPixie]

As a public facing retail worker, I have no trouble believing that people who should be competent and should know better will sometimes ignore every posted warning. These are the same hikers and campers that make designing bear-safe dumpsters so difficult.

[@lordkarasu2263]

Yup

[@student99bg]

Except physicists and other very well educated men are the profile of a missing 411 person.

[@jack1701e]

I've seen people walk into bright yellow, made to be seen as much as possible, wet floor signs in the middle of the floor and people still walk into them and be shocked because of it. Don't discount the obliviousness of the public.

[@vld7850]

Does anyone think it's VERY suspicious that the park people won't talk answer any questions keep records of missing people or allow anyone else to investigate? I sure do!

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

I bet there are records but not public, they know what’s going on

[@TheRavenLord1]

Why should they actually answer any legitimate questions.

[@RedVelvetRabbit]

I know you said it's weird that timothy's friends didn't go look for him, but thinking about my own camping experiences, I have weird friends who go off on their own and might not come back til the next day. No one goes looking for them, we just wait. Maybe it's a cultural difference, I do live in Australia where walkabouts that last weeks, years even are common. But then again we might just be lacking in skill/awareness.

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

Love all the work you put in on these. Really appreciate that you guys do your own research and not just copy from Paulides. This cluster really feels like a serial killer potentially a ranger or someone official or pretending to be. Same era John Ackroyd was active in Oregon.

[@lichtabendlenz4866]

Sure a serialkiller hahahah

[@gordongarrett6229]

Bullshit

[@erinjoaquin8527]

I am from a neighboring county in the Sierra Nevada’s. And let me tell you that SSSOOOO many people go missing up here! Most of these people are never found. It’s so sad 😞 Right now, my small county has over 70 open missing persons reports of just locals.

[@keirancollier8836]

That lads mate not looking for him is sketchy af. Never leave a man behind

[@howdypotowty]

Some details he kinda glazes over; 4th of July weekend. Wasn't NOTICED missing until after 6pm, he went alone (not everyone believed he left?), and it was the 70s. Lots of reasons his friends didnt just start running off into he woods looking for him as soon as they THOUGHT he was missing....

[@abidas138]

Rarely hear a hypothesis of someone "disappearing" to start a new life. "Vanishing" into the wilderness is a plausible way to start over, I've heard.

[@Shadowassassin908]

I would love to see either you guys, ballen and wendigoon go investigate some of these together or maybe see if some fans would be down to help fund and do this, if nothing is found at least it'd be a fun camping trip

[@pucktoad]

t. Yosemite Killer

[@sway_onthetrail]

What is there to really investigate that isn't already known though? I agree that a fleshed out documentary on this by any of the people mentioned would be fantastic, but idk if you could really call it an investigation at this point.

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

@@sway_onthetrail let’s face it, the NPS is hiding shit

[@PrivateSoup]

Signed~ fed that wants to catch them all in one place

[@Lizzyjaeger]

that’d be cool, just please don’t die 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@QEsposito510]

I am all in on the most exotic theories, HOWEVER: a large number of these deaths are of effete cosmopolitans from SF and LA. They think visiting Yosemite will be a fun, casual photo opportunity and they inevitably get proven wrong, in grim fashion.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

People often underestimate how quick nature will end you Especially in our modern society where we can live very cushy lives

[@jordanhicks5131]

Some people need to stay in the city, they have no business going out in the wilderness. Even people who know what they are doing run into trouble occasionally, but the rate is far less compared to city slickers

[@OlgaRykov]

I've heard a rumour that due do the drought this summer some lakes have receded enough to reveal a cold case body, remains, or evidence of a body. Now... I think I remember Spain mentioned. I haven't checked this information, not sure how to go about researching it. Maybe you could find something about that. If there's such a phenomena as remains being exposed whenever there's a major drought and a body of water reduces in volume than maybe it would be a plausible theory for some of these cases that the bodies might have ended up in the water.

[@howdypotowty]

This actually happens all the time with cars fallen off the road. Lots of places the road gets REAL close to the waters edge, and people driving too fast, maybe a little tipsy on booze or other substances, either don't see the road turning away, or just lose control, and go into the drink! In times of drought, these cars can become suddenly visible, either standing out of the water, or the water is now shallow enough to see them below, and a years or decades old mystery is resolved.

[@loridavis5699]

Yes. This just happened recently in Lake Mead

[@APscion]

"Extremely average height of 5'10''" Bro I'm 5'4 please don't do this 😭

[@DarthTalon66]

Being tall ain’t all that good bro, it’s okay😂

[@TheLoreLodge]

I’m 5’9” and Thornbussy is 5’6” don’t worry

[@vld7850]

that's average sorry shorty

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

You’ll be slower so the monster catches you while I get away

[@alexw.7097]

Lol, I've seen Markiplier talk a couple of times about people calling him a Short King even though he's like 5'9", he just has a lot of tall friends, and I always think to myself, (5'2") "Everytime someone calls Markiplier a Short King, a real Short King somewhere begins to cry for for no apparent reason."

[@lexinicole4317]

Heat stroke with remaining water is not as uncommon as you might think, and it doesn’t have to be as hot as 100 degrees F. Exertion, attempts to conserve water (especially when lost and unsure when you will find your way out) is common, and a key element of heat stroke is confusion and disorientation. With a baby in tow as well, it’s very possible their instincts to conserve water were heightened. It still sounds like heat stroke to me.

[@pameladickson1478]

As someone who worked in the park system for years (for the concessionaires, not nps, although i think they’re just criminally underfunded and not criminally conspiratorial) and has done a decent amount of hiking/camping; I think the vast majority of these cases are people who miscalculate and end up getting lost/injured. The amount of people I see doing hike without even any water is astounding. People just do not respect the danger that the American wilderness can present if you are not prepared, hell even if you are prepared and just have some bad luck. The whole NPS cover up thing in my opinion seems a bit ridiculous. The amount of park rangers there are at each park vs total visitors is a ridiculously small ratio. The government is going to put a very small number of underpayed employees who decade after decade get less and less funding in charge of covering up some conspiracy that covers millions of square miles?? Seems illogical to me. If the government wants to hide something from us they can do it. Look at Area 51. And I know I’ve heard Aiden talk about stories people have told about being stopped going up random roads in national forests/parks. They’re probably private logging roads in national forests hence why they’re told they can’t be on them. I think if I’m not mistaken logging is allowed in some national parks as well. Also in the area of the country I live in it is not uncommon for there to be very restricted access to some parts of the national/forests parks because of conservation reasons as there has been a local cave bat that has been decimated in recent decades because of cave explorers. Just saying there are other reasons beside conspiracy why they would restrict access to certain areas.

[@andreagriffiths3512]

One of my worst decisions was trusting people I was living with (my employers) to know when to sound an alarm if I wasn’t back. It’s a really common practice here in Australia to tell someone where you’re going and what time to expect you back. I’d done this a million times without a worry. But the one time I do it in the UK? I was hiking a section of the South Downs Way - a very straightforward section and planning catching the bus back. The day went fine, the hike was lovely and I made it to my end point with half an hour before the scheduled bus. I then saw a movie being advertised that I thought would be good, but I didn’t buy a ticket because I wouldn’t have been back by the time I’d said I would be. I get back with a good 40 minutes to spare and announce I’m back. It was then that I was horrified. They said I didn’t need to say I was back like I was a kid. I remember staring at them, aghast, and explaining the reason why I’d told them in the first place. They just didn’t understand, even with the explanation. Now, I’m bloody careful to fully explain my plans and what people are to do if I’m not back…and I’m a lot more careful about the people I pick to have my back.

[@lucia_kidtech]

In my opinion the family that died of heatstroke died of heatstroke Stacy ended up in the water somehow and her body is probably still there. Oh and the long haired dude that one genuinely confuses me also Tim's friends are either A bad friends or Sus as all hell

[@gordongarrett6229]

Not a long haired dude. It was a very large hairy thing. If David said it. You can believe it period

[@TigerLily61811]

While I admire search teams, they do their best selflessly and they've gotten more advanced in recent years, I feel wilderness terrain is so vast and lush, it's simply an impossible task to search 100% thoroughly - even with dogs. I've watched a lot of these videos, and in cases where people who have been missing a while are later found... they are found in sink holes, under water or in ravines, behind rocks, under thick brush or tall grasses, etc. It's easy to get turned around in the woods believing you are headed back when really you are going way deeper. I think these folks are out there - met with misadventure and simply missed in the search. Rest In Peace missing ones.

[@cubethepixel3025]

Aww he looks adorable with glasses

[@paulstewart8459]

The weird part about Yosemite is that it's always packed with people. Even in the late '80s (I was there many times in that peroid)... typically 25,000 a day. You are never truly alone out there unless you get far above the valley floor and above the waterfalls. Even then, you're still going to encounter people. The idea that you can just disappear in this environment is simple off.

[@mysteryman447]

your channel has pretty much become the default goto for missing411 stuff, this is good content bro

[@mrspriss09]

Just discovered you guys and I am obsessed! I am a huge fan of David Paulides and the work he is doing. Bringing awareness about these clusters is so important and whether you believe in the supernatural or not, facts are facts. And you HAVE to admit that SOMETHING strange is happening in our national parks. I 100 percent believe that most of the cases are NOT natural causes (animal attack, fell, dehydration, etc.)

[@caitlynwatchorn6774]

With yosemite, there are extremely deep, fast rivers that rush over giant boulders. People can get swept into the rivers and disappear in seconds and sadly they rarely find their bodies. Also, the most dangerous animal in CA are humans

[@loridavis5699]

And the Democrats😂

[@sniperslayer95]

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite series on youtube Keep up the great work.

[@thomaskemnitz514]

Was the older gentleman last seen with Stacy investigated at all? Seems weird he was the last to see her and nobody thinks to question the guy.

[@katejones9050]

I realize this comment is several months old, but this is what stood out to me. I think it's very likely he was the cause of her disappearance, whether he attempted to molest her and she ran off and became hopelessly lost or if he killed her. People may say, "the guy was like 70", but just being elderly is not really a reliable indicator of how dangerous someone is.

[@lexxist]

i was just watching all your 411 videos and came across this one. i think this one is a miss. the family who died of hyperthermia and dehydration definitely did die of such. them having SOME water left makes total sense as it seems they were trying to save their baby and not putting themselves first. there were empty water containers found with them, too. they clearly did try to survive but got overwhelmed. ive personally almost died of heatstroke multiple times because i'm physically unable to tell when i'm dehydrated even when i have water. if someone does not force me to drink water i won't drink water. this all sounds completely feasible to me, and is a big reason why i can never go on a hike. ps ive overheated and collapsed in 70° weather (and less) just because i was exercising, it's completely possible at 109°

[@soberserotonin1850]

It was not 109 degrees. Everyone else has said under 100, although I wish I knew how far under 100. The point is that you have to blindly accept a series of assumptions for the heatstroke theory to remain plausible. You have to just assume that both adults were idiots, that one of them couldn’t walk a measly TWO MILES to save their entire family, that a dog would also die (typically far more resilient than humans in tough conditions), that they would save water (this does make some sense bc of the baby), but that they also would not give the baby enough water or just BREAST FEED of course. They would easily be able to tell if their baby was on the verge of death, very hot to the touch and looking sleepy. I guess they both could have died first, but you’d think adrenaline would allow them to make it two miles to save the baby. They knew that if they died, the baby died. What I really want to know (other than the exact temperature, cloud cover, and shade options) is how long they had been out there before being two miles from their air conditioning in the car. It just seems crazy to think a person would not be able to make it two miles to save their entire family. What did they do, get weary and decide to take a nap? I would think the adrenaline would keep you walking, to save your baby.

[@settame1]

At 1 it’s likely they were no longer breastfeeding, being dehydrated the mom likely also couldn’t even if she wanted too. Also at 1 babies may or may not be drinking water, thats around the time that they can switch and some are better about it than others. Babies also over heat very easily. People always assume babies need to be bundled up more than they actually do. They died quite often in winter because people put jackets on them in their car seats and they can’t get the jacket off and overheat. If a jacket in the winter is enough to cause heatstroke for a baby, being out in hot weather on a 2 mile hike is certainly enough. They may have also seen the signs of heatstroke in the baby, then started running to get help,making things for themselves worse and were still unable to make it back. The dog may have just been loyal, or on a leash so it couldn’t get away, or have gone out to find help, couldn’t find anyone so they came back.

[@richardrunion658]

L.​@@soberserotonin1850

[@zombotrain1158]

Genuine believer that these hikers that go missing just fall through the map into the backrooms

[@mollylollipops]

Never thought about that, interesting thought

[@muchosconfuzzlement8258]

Are there more entrances in or around national parks?

[@eyetrollin710]

You do realize that simulation theory is the newest psiop.. sorry but there's just this world, the fact that they're trying to sell us 10 different ways that this isn't real is just another way of dehumanizing us is just one more bit of nonsense so that we're dumber and easier to control I've spent the last 20 years in some of the remotest parts of the Pacific Northwest funny how you never hear about this happening to experienced Trappers it's always Weekend Warriors who really shouldn't be out in the forest anyway and these videos will tell you they are Avid Outdoorsman but if you actually look these people up you can tell that they probably haven't done anything more than a few decent hikes on very tame trails. It doesn't take much for the Layman to become disoriented and scared and most deaths are caused by that,

[@magnusthered9635]

Aren’t the backrooms a fake creepypasta thing?

[@zombotrain1158]

@Magnus The Red it was a joke. lol Yes, they're fictional, lol. It's just a fun headcannon

[@DarthTalon66]

Always a good day when you guys post

[@lexinicole4317]

The elements of nature can be harsh. Especially when you become lost and your packed resources begin to dwindle. Desperation and confusion set in, and nature is not a forgiving mistress. I do believe skeptically in supernatural occurrences. So many of these stories sound like probable natural deaths, though, and it is unfortunate because it causes further skepticism toward the truly inexplicable cases.

[@larvin6910]

I love this channel 💖 keep dishing out the missing 411 content

[@danielhicks4826]

Awesome channel bro you do good stuff. Really liked when you and your friend went to the site for that case about the elderly man who was missing on the hunting trip to, anyhow keep it up man and thankya!.

[@abecoffey4216]

Hey man i really hope everyone catches on and this channel blows up. You really deserve it with all the effort and respect you apply to all these horrible cases, while appropriately shitting all over murderers and authorities displaying blatant negligent conduct. Good luck and i wish the best for you. Keep pumping out great content!

[@mateosimon4237]

Very good summary👍. As for Gerrish case, so far (with one exception) I havent seen a full lenghth breakdown, I mean it's strange it's as if the case was being left alone

[@Spartan-Of-Truth]

Well rounded man, well done.

[@daniellopzable]

Love you dawg

[@stacyf.5320]

Ive always watched Dave’s videos, but lately have really been thinking there are natural explanations and begun to question the whole Missing 411 points. I think a lot of these cases really could be hypothermia. I started doing research about being scared and lost and adrenaline rushes and how that could contribute a lot to someone becoming hypothermic in moderate climates. It’s much easier than most people think. Now the Yosemite cluster… the time he points out as late afternoon/early evening and the storms that happen right after someone goes missing. There are strong wind drafts that are tell tale signs of an oncoming storm. They are most likely to begin at that time because of the heat of the day and the pressure changes. That often causes strong wind drafts that could easily pick up an animal or small child. Add the fact that the people could be wearing something like a jacket that could help someone get picked up and dropped like a parachute. He mentions children a lot being in a different location, which I think could be attributed to the wind drafts and search dogs losing a scent. In addition, there are often clouds that develop and the charges within the clouds causing orb like lights. Anyways love the videos and thought these theories could be researched and developed more to provide a legit explanation for some of these cases. Looking forward to more videos! Thanks

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

It’s the Backrooms`

[@manuxx3543]

So, the wind makes children fly far away team rocket style ?

[@carnuatus]

​@@manuxx3543 or y'know, a mother bear or cougar who thinks they're a baby critter and yoinks them only to realize they're just a hooman.

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

10:45 that's the strangest way I've ever heard that cigarette brand pronounced

[@jakek09]

As an avid outdoorsman, hiker, backpacker, packrafter, hunter and fisherman, i can confidently day 90% of the missing 411 cases are easily explainable, even if strange on first inspection. I spend quite a lot of time off trail exploring and in a lot of the cases i can see why the victims died in strange places. They were just adventurous people out exploring. That veing said there are 7% of the cases that are exceptionally weird, weird enough that i openly question the events that transpired. Finally there are 3% of the cases which are so incredibly bizarre that i cannot imaginehow the events transpired.

[@Chris-bv4ko]

Morale of the story: never go hiking alone and if in a group, stay together. I think the overwhelming majority of these deaths are due to incompetence, wild animals, or falling down an unknown cave or hole. Getting lost in the forest is exceptionally easy.

[@iservHim]

13:45 “And manages to glitch through the map” 😆😆😆

[@pgrl749]

Saying that Yosemite is nearby the Sierra Nevada is like saying the Empire State Building is nearby New York City

[@FactsandReelsForall]

Lol

[@kenziecarter9458]

Please consider doing longer videos discussing places linked with odd disappearances?

[@jenniferdickinson-hanley4874]

You can easily succumb to heat illnesses, including heat stroke, in temps "less than 100". The 90s are still very HOT. I'm someone who can barely tolerate temperatures in the 80s (especially if humid) and manage myself aware of this during summers.

[@flicksquip1961]

You bringing up Mr.Ballen is epic

[@TheWannabeexpert]

The more popular a site the more strange things happens around it. All these sounds perfectly normal missing people cases to me. The first one might have climbed down and got stuck, the others bad luck. Since it seems rather easy to get there it also seems rather to get out so foul play sounds more plausible then everything else to me.

[@benhelms7983]

Missing people cases really seem like friends just absolutely dropping one another

[@brad2685]

Nice video; very informative!

[@vld7850]

yes, except for the almost complete lack of Information!

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

@@vld7850 duh that’s the 411 phenomenon

[@mrsubject1]

@@vld7850 thank the park service for that

[@mindyh6125]

Really like your attitude

[@bradabar2012]

Thanks!

[@Chr.Aza.]

Back in 95' when my brother was 10 he went missing from the May Lake trail. He was gone for about 17 hours until he was found. Luckily, he was found alive back on the trail the next day. What I find interesting is the various identifiers for the Missing 411 that do apply to his disappearance.

[@Waterbottlebandit831]

Yosemite missing persons content is my absolute favorite thing in the world

[@John-mm2yl]

Same. Hopefully whatever is taking people doesn’t stop soon.

[@depressedcoltsfan6304]

@@John-mm2yl bro…..wtf🤨

[@goldenshoggoth2143]

This videos inspire me to visit these trails, Trying to plan a road trip hitting up the different spot

[@andersskog3073]

This video inspires me to avoid these trails. To each their own, I guess.

[@funnelingspace9268]

Please consult a therapist, suicide is never a good thing

[@sway_onthetrail]

After I finish off the triple crown of hiking, I have plans of staying a month in the Nahanni Valley, so I feel you.

[@mrsubject1]

If you survive comment here so we know lol

[@BooDamnHoo]

I disappeared a couple decades ago in the Tetons. I'm still hopeful some part of me will be discovered at some point so I can get some closure.

[@rabbitsonjupiter6824]

🙏🆘

[@twinborn6028]

Time for the spooks!

[@Im_nobody777]

Based Lore Lodge, keep up the good work guys

[@Sing_A_Rebel_Song]

9:22 what’s super interesting about him is that his brother was kidnapped and believed to have been murdered for 10+(?) years and he still killed multiple women. He personally lived with the impacts of a heinous crime for years and still gave others the same pain

[@asc8501]

Like you said in your video. It’s people being incompetent. it’s just that simple of an explanation. I’ve worked in Yosemite and visited many times. the park is vast and the terrain is steep with heavy vegetation and timber. Nothing strange it’s just people under estimating the wilderness’s of Yosemite.

[@dawnkobylarz7126]

You do a good job here on the Lore Lodge,enjoy your channel!And yes Mr.Ballen is great ,but only uploads like 3 times a month now,but he earned it!

[@davidbucky7634]

Sad i missed most the live 😭

[@dizzyroseblade]

I will say, the heat stroke theory isn't completely insane - I'm an eagle scout, but before that I was a regular boy scout, and during that time as part of the process of "leveling up" in the scouting program, a certain number of hikes and camping trips are required, one of which is/was a 15+ mile hike. We hiked the Washington Trail, it was around 17 miles and mostly mountains (or, what I called mountains at the time, they were tall hills at the worst). I was accustomed to hikes of less than 10 miles, and I was also normally taken on those hikes when the weather was mostly cool and/or overcast, but the day we did that hike it was bright and hot and bone-dry. Naturally, I got heat exhaustion at about 12-13 miles in. I still remember walking across a metal grate bridge passing over a stream and thinking I was falling into it, like, falling for 5 full minutes while the rest of the troop had to convince me I was fine. They kept shoving water bottles at me and I was getting angry about it, I kept saying I wasn't thirsty and I was really annoyed they kept telling me I needed to drink water. I HAD water, if I needed water I would have drank it, what weren't they getting about this? They eventually convinced me to sit down under a tree and I remember walking toward the tree and then waking up under it maybe 20 minutes later. During that time, as I was told after, I had actually collapsed, been dragged to the tree, gotten doused with water, and deliriously agreed to drink finally, I finished my own water and one of the leaders gave me two more bottles he'd brought. I sat there for another 30+ minutes after waking up, but eventually we needed to either keep walking or call in the safety measure, the third scout leader who waited at the camp with the vehicles and belongings, to drive in and collect me. I damn near finished the hike, for the record - I decided I wanted to keep walking, they agreed to let me as long as I promised to drink the water whenever they told me to, and I made it the rest of the way through the trail and to the town but by then I had such severe muscle pain and stiffness that the leaders called in the van anyway and I got picked up about 3/4 of a mile from the statue that marked the end of the trail. They still drove me/us to the statue so we could get a group photo, then we went back to the camp and I was allowed to immediately go to bed instead of helping with the chores. Overall good trip, but yeah, if I had not been surrounded by a dozen other people including multiple experienced people, I would have 100% died, no questions asked, WITH my water bottle actually mostly full, because when you're dehydrated enough you stop realizing how dehydrated you are and start thinking your surroundings are bizarrely perilous. I REALLY thought I was falling into that "river", I really really was afraid for a minute, and I fully lost consciousness mid-step completely without warning (to me) in the hot sun.

[@chonkychookie6949]

100% they all glitched into the backrooms.

[@Anchorheart401]

One of my favorite subjects. I'm a borderline believer in the national park containment theory. Way to much evidence for something weird to not be happening.

[@mollylollipops]

Same! Missing 411 really makes you think. I have a hard time believing in coincidence.

[@sigma723]

Wait the what theory? I've never heard that term before and now I'm curious.

[@t.n.1116]

@@sigma723 same I'm curious

[@goosegirl941]

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[@goosegirl941]

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[@erikquimby9617]

I want the intro music as a ringtone. No. I need it. Yes.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I can probably make that happen

[@Queenmebonnie]

Someone needs to go undercover and get a job at these parks

[@feuerein]

Pretty sure at this point that in every video he does now Aiden is compelled to say "ostensibly" at least once lol

[@remy333]

Yesss

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

Completely unrelated but I just came to think of a story my father told me, that was told to him while he visited Yosemite in the late 70s about a plane crash in the mountains. Now I don't know if it was rumored to be a smuggler plane or if it was just dumb luck but some stoner climbers hanging out in the park set out to get to the plane first and to their absolute delight it was full of thousands of pounds of weed coming in from South America and they became very rich from it. And probably very high.

[@danielhicks4826]

I still think Stacy Arias, and Dennis Martin are two of the most crazy disappearances in this country of the past 50+ years or so, that and whats the girls name Trenny Gibson I believe it was? those 3 are some of the most mysterious cases I have ever heard, even if you remove some arguable "intangibles" lets say which some feel Paulides has a tendency to do at certain cases, I like him alot and think he overall does very good work myself, but I will acknowledge that this one guy missing Enigma channel he has also covered a few famous 411 Paulides cases including using FOIA to get case files and official documents and they definitely give some additional details that Paulides for whatever reason seemed to have left out in some cases, most notable in the Aaron Hodges one I believe more than a few of the people he was with were very sketchy and suspicious and acting strange according to Police own words, but for most part he does very good work, anyways those 3 Dennis martin, Trenny Gibson, and Stacy Aras just beyond baffling. No witnesses/ no suspects not really anyways, no fricking foot prints for victim or potential perpetrator, no drag marks, no animal predation signs/ little to zero items left behind or found, no scent or if there is its gone almost immediately in a random location, never any witnesses to see them disappear- though I guesst thats implied- etc etc. just insane cases.

[@antjeeismann4684]

Was the doctor who Theme a instiration for your "Theme"?

[@KalenKennedy]

It was actually inspired by 2016’s DOOM soundtrack.

[@mojo_lovin_lyfe]

Lesson I'm learning from a lot of these videos is DO NOT GO HIKING AND CAMPING SOLO!!

[@1_dirty_rotten_imbecile695]

The park has to know and are in it with the government. They have to know. There's no way they couldn't. ☝🏻🙄

[@Sam-xr8ne]

Nope because I'll be going for the first time this August!

[@distort3318]

I love him too dawg

[@tuyenbui]

I love him three dawg

[@cvi4057]

I wouldnt consider a hiker legitimately glitching through the map incompetent.

[@donz6211]

I suppose the possibility of these people ODing on something could be considered for some of these. After all, it was the seventies. I could imagine some hippy hiking up a ways, then finding a cave to do something illegal in. Idk, just a thought.

[@chadcuckproducer1037]

Pretty sure they had drug tests and it would be part of any standard investigation.

[@donz6211]

@@chadcuckproducer1037 That is possible, but as it was said in the video, the case files haven't been released to the public. So, while that evidence may exist, we wouldn't know exactly because we don't have access to the case files.

[@chadcuckproducer1037]

@@donz6211 file a FOIA request.

[@donz6211]

@@chadcuckproducer1037 Don't you think that Aiden would have tried that for the video? He has always gone out of his way to access files like this whenever he can, and he is quite familiar with the process, as he has been involved in many missing persons cases in the past. He specifically mentioned in the video that the parks service has basically denied the existence of any such files.

[@sway_onthetrail]

I think the most likely case in almost all of these is either inexperience/overconfidence or foul play. Not the most exciting answer, but definitely the most logical one.

[@kennethlang5480]

Please keep up the Great work on these things.

[@yuordreams]

It's weird you said bloodhounds are better than German shepherds when I just watched a video about how professionals are moving away from keeping bloodhounds and towards keeping GS for finding humans because they're similarly skilled yet easier to train/smarter. I'm pretty sure GSs can indeed find particular humans, at least according to the educational video I just watched.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I make mistakes sometimes, but that was my understanding from what I read online

[@1_dirty_rotten_imbecile695]

You should take a look at my community post this morning. Yosemite 🛸👽👈🏻 there's a link there to the photos I took over the summer at Yosemite. Recently I started looking closely at some of the photos. I think I know exactly where these people are going. And who's responsible. I ran across your chan today good timing I guess. Kinda having a hard time with all this. The same craft I see in Yosemite are over my house. Scroll down past music on my community. I post photos of the craft as well. The craft are same I live less than an hour from Yosemite in the central valley near castle air base. Yosemite has always been 1 of my favorite places till my discovery. I've been all over the park and uncountable times. No one will listen to what I'm saying. Ty Email on my about I believe still. Cheers 👍🏻💨

[@bryanwendland235]

The man without any visible trauma was obviously killed by the avada kedavra curse

[@reginaworthey1401]

That family did not have any water left. It wasn't a strange death. they were unprepared. The Missing Enigma did this case, and did it better.

[@sinc1251]

for the first case id guess he maybe couldve wanted to run away from home and so after he got dropped of just hitchhiked away or something

[@MedicMarc22]

i would say, that a portion is from bad luck happening to the hickers. And that a portion is the work of a/multiple serial killers opperating in the area. and maybe one or two by alien abduction, because why not.

[@vld7850]

Why not? because there's no such thing as aliens that's why not!

[@lichtabendlenz4866]

@@vld7850 There is skeptic atheist have already lost or are you religious ?

[@lichtabendlenz4866]

@@vld7850 Show me proof

[@jaybrannan6973]

I grew up in the mountains of south east Oklahoma acres and acres of unmarked forested lands and never got lost I believe these “experienced campers/hikers” either A. Overconfident B Stupidity in my opinion most of these can be answered with either or both

[@Wynngrem]

Did they have divers? I know no discarded clothing, like boots or her windbreaker was found, but she was headed to a lake - it seems weird that there's no mention of divers.

[@Caper-ez6ur]

bloodhounds and German shepherds are about the same. they can tell a certain person from a crowd of at least 15 people. and can track them through hills, rivers and with a heavy wind. mark rover did a video on this.

[@stealtoe9036]

The dawgs have spoken.

[@svenskanorsk]

I’ve dated people who would think nothing of going on an impromptu hike without proper provisions and planning. I always refused. Never underestimate Mother Nature.

[@binaryghosts5131]

Kidnapped by Bigfoot

[@vld7850]

Best theory I've heard

[@richardjack4827]

Interdemensional portals?

[@Mephilis78]

"Gonna find a hole.... A hole in the wall.... Gonna crawl inside and die.... Can't ya see... Oh can't ya see.... What that woman, lord... She been doin to me" Lol been playing this song in a band for years, and now I can't remember what band actually wrote it! Edit: it was the Marshall Tucker band

[@gatedude07]

That couple probably did die of heatstroke/exposure. It was still in the 90's and you can overheat then, they had too little water, and as someone else noted they were found separated from one another. Most of these are probably incompetence, foul weather, or possibly predators (especially in the case of kids). Possibly foul play in one or two cases.

[@PrinceElliott7]

I feel like half of these cases are just sinister at least

[@nogmo100]

My boyfriend ankle had multiple pins... We mountaineered all over. 14,000' mtns and all

[@Fiscals_Organics]

We LOVVVEE THESE VIDEOS

[@vld7850]

I don't!

[@tysonwastaken]

i dont know why the government wouldnt tell us if theres a creature species there it would make more sense if they told people that it was there

[@serenityenderson]

My money's on lightning grounding with a granite ground, and them being spot cremated, then blowing away in the wind...

[@rabbitsonjupiter6824]

It's as good an explanation as any. These disappearances are so strange, anything is possible.

[@codywolfe556]

Jeff estus forgot his flask