Mission to Callisto

[@janetcraft]

I really enjoy watching your videos like this one. It's short, simple and a good way of sharing to someone who is interested in future space missions. Your video clips should be shown to schools everywhere.

[@fragomatik]

+Janet Craft Thanks for the encouragement! Much appreciated believe me...so glad you're enjoying these little snippets! Yes, it's all about spreading the love of space exploration and science, and sharing that "sense of wonder"!

[@janetcraft]

Fascinating.

[@augustus6285]

I like the re-use of Orion CMs as landers...

[@fragomatik]

+Augustus A speculation on my part! The original publication from NASA RASC shows crew modules/landers with very Orion-like proportions! It makes sense that the designers would avoid "re-inventing the wheel" where possible, to develop vehicles based on existing hardware to fulfil new roles. They'd eliminate the extraneous stuff, such as heat-shields and thermal tiles, etc, and add features in line with mission requirements.

[@fragomatik]

+systmh Exactly! The Lunar Module is a great example of this, where the original design was shaved down to the bare minimum to eliminate every last gram of unnecessary mass. The Apollo astronauts entrusted their lives to aluminium framework and foil sheeting!

[@odysseyvoyager2354]

Man, I don't know why but it makes me so happy to see hardware being used for what it wasn't originally intended, that shows how great Orion will be and how modular and flexible the design really is! Same with the Apollo capsule, Apollo application program sought ways for missions using Apollo hardware, the best study was a maned Venus flyby using existing Saturn V with little modification except for the SIV-B wet workshop. This is the best link for an almost complete list of missions possible with Apollo derived hardware: nassp.sourceforge.net/wiki/Future_Expansion

[@chadwaldron6329]

Interesting how the lander looks like a bacteriophage ready to infect Callisto.

[@fragomatik]

Form follows function, I guess 🚀

[@Justwantahover]

1:41 Wouldn't that be awesome, being there!

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

My next video is on the VASIMIR. May I please use your amazing work if I adhere to the same rules? Amazingly, I wanted to talk about exploring Callisto before I stumbled on this video. What a coincidence.

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

Btw...your work is just stunning. You should have a million subs at least. I'll do what I can to spread the word.

[@fragomatik]

Sure, no worries...but be aware that Ad Astra are *very* protective of their trademarks. Have a look at the comment by ADASTRAROCKET (from 3 years ago) on my HOPE Video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHmoXpauo9Jpnbs

[@fragomatik]

@@TheAngryAstronaut Thanks mate! 👍👍

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

@@fragomatik Sorry...somehow I was not notified of your reply...should have looked here before asking elsewhere. I will be careful. You would think that they would want their projects to be publicized as much as possible, because they are going to need a lot of funding, and all of that funding is going into the SLS. Thanks so much for your help. :)

[@fragomatik]

@@TheAngryAstronaut LOL KZbin's messaging system strikes again!

[@SpatiumRenascentia]

John Frassanito will be proud.Frago for nasa director of animation !

[@OpenMawProductions]

See, i'd be the space president if I ever got elected. Because I would rearrange the way this kind of thing was even drafted. One Callisto mission? Nah. We'll build three. One for the mission proper. One for a second shot. One that is stripped down and prepared for emergency rescue. Before the first mission would even launch we would send at least one, maybe two, robotic ships brimming with automated probes and equipment to secure at least two landing sites within a few miles of one another on Callisto, and prepare them for habitation and harvesting. So that's Stage 1 and 2. Stage 3 would be to deliver additional personnel to the surface for long term habitation of the surface. Colonization. Annual robotic missions would deliver spare parts, redundant equipment, and raw materials such as food and water.

[@smokeless7774]

Impressive as always. Nice work Frag.

[@fragomatik]

+Smokeless777 many thanks smoky, glad u enjoyed, mate!

[@RossWS1]

Impressive animation showing plausible technology. Excellent, thanks.

[@SpatiumRenascentia]

Magnifique ! We love credible spaceships ! More, more, more !

[@milky_wayan]

I love these so much

[@orion14operative]

Awesome graphics!

[@theutopianoutopioan464]

Why hasn't this mission or one like it been implemented? As far as I know, NASA isn't even breaking ground on the technology and preparation work to make such a manned mission to the outer solar system possible!

[@badbeardbill9956]

Because the government doesn't have the balls to let NASA do it. NASA needs money to do it. And that, my friend, is controlled by Congress. And as we all should be well aware, Congress is the opposite of Progress.

[@chexhcatialo3889]

It's due to several factors. One of which is NASA is beholden to each presidential administration and those administrations are too short for large projects like this one that could take several decades.

[@HalNordmann]

Reason number one is that nobody wants to pay for it. Reason number two is that this is intended to launch no earlier than 2050

[@Justwantahover]

Can you do one on the floating bases on Venus? Bases with balloon tech that float high enough for a reasonable atmospheric temperature (on KZbin).

[@fragomatik]

Interesting idea for sure, but tbh not one I'm likely to tackle anytime soon...

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

Super-Excellent!! I was VERY interested in seeing how they would have stowed those Lander(S)!!! Never thought of doing it that way..... maybe have a 'crawl way' from the ship to the landers .....kinda like those passageways we have to get onto planes. I have an old model of the Artmeis lander in 1/44 scale, NOW I know how to stow it!!! And a cargo-version for manned/rovers. NEAT!!!! Giving some ideas. Thanks for the post.

[@fragomatik]

Yeah, the source paper was totally unclear on how the crew was supposed to get from the piloted vehicle to the lander! I reckon your idea of "crawl-ways" from the truss-tunnel to the lander hatch is probably the best way! Nice one! You sound like you have some nice spacecraft models - I'd love to see pics or video of them if at all possible.

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

Sorry.... my mistake...... Its been a LONG time since I have looked at that kit, but it is Altair lander, not Artmeis lander. It is a multi-material kit ( resin, brass rod, photo-etch, maybe some plastic ). BUT, you picked up a new 'Subscriber'!!!

[@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P]

@@fragomatik Hi, 'f r a g o ma ti k', I have MANY seriously (B) Many (B) models of different categories, Sci-fi and Real Science I also have!! But seeing your video is giving me new ideas!!!! I'm getting a little excited about the possibilities...... of building 'a model' of one of these intra-planetary space ships............. Let alone, the possibilities of US ( meaning us, not U.S. ) getting off this planet and moving onto other worlds full of excitement, wonder, and hopefully understanding, before I pass on. Do you have anything on the new "Gateway" lunar orbiter?? That was a new one for me.... And I followed the U.S. space program.

[@fragomatik]

@@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P Thanks for the sub, mate! That sounds like an awesome kit! Back in the day, I used to build original sci-fi themed models out of off-the-shelf plane, ship, and tank kits from Revell and Monogram. I'd hack them up and use polystyrene sheets to create new body shapes. But that was like 40 years ago (yes - I'm *old* lol!) Sadly, my parents threw them out when I left home as a teenager - they thought they were just "toys"! Man, was I ever heartbroken! But when I discovered 3D modelling in the mid-1980's, I never touched a model kit again - now I do it all digitally! Sometimes I really miss it - maybe I'll have to get back into kit building again some day - just not enough time in the world to do everything I want, y'know?

[@fragomatik]

@@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P RE: GATEWAY (now known as Lunar Orbital Platform/Gateway or LOP/G) The Gateway started off as part of the Evolvable Mars Campaign (EMC), which includes the lunar Gateway and Mars Transport concepts. There are a few variants out there for the LOP-G created by the bidding companies who want to build it for NASA. I did a video on some of the most common concepts - "Evolvable Mars Campaign" Concept Vehicles, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j16vdHlth9idsNE

[@milky_wayan]

Excellent work!!

[@fragomatik]

+FloreSpace Thank you! Coming soon: The A. C. Clarke - A Nuclear-Thermal Propulsion Mars Transfer Vehicle

[@SuperKidsCostumes]

Love these videos!

[@badbeardbill9956]

Radiators? Thank god.

[@lawwong3508]

Love the video. But why the Orion module atop the lander (or is is a derivative without a heat shield)? Didn't NASA abandon that design in the 60s in favor of having a dedicated Lunar Module?

[@fragomatik]

+Law Wong Thanks for taking the time to comment... Yes, you're right, the lander "capsule" is derivative of the Orion. If you look at the original NASA RASC presentation, here: www.nasa-academy.org/soffen/travelgrant/bethke.pdf ...you'll see that the manned-lander's crew-capsule design is very Orion-like (eg. on pages 19-20). The dimensions and proportions are very similar, and form-follows-function, so no surprise that vehicles intended for a similar purpose will have similar designs. Of course, as you mentioned, no heatshield is required for the Callisto manned lander, just as there is no need for the re-entry heat-tiles, and the launch-escape-tower mounts, etc, found on the Orion, as the Callisto lander would be launched as cargo, and would never need to re-enter the Earth's atmosphere. However, other features such as the pressure-vessel, docking port, and reaction-control-system would be re-purposed from existing Orion designs. Why re-invent the wheel, after all?

[@Khannea]

How long does the return misson take? Jupiter is a bit out of the way...

[@fragomatik]

+Khannea Sun Tzu Yep, it's a long way, and a represents *massive* commitment. The round trip is just under 5 years. From the NASA publication: *Begin Spiral from Earth at L1: 2/19/2045* Period of Earth / L1 Spiral: 15 days Heliocentric Transfer to SOI of Jupiter: 680 days Period of Jupiter Injection: 170 days Period of Callisto Injection: 7 days *Arrival at 500km Parking Orbit: 7/5/2047* Stay Time: 30 days *Begin Spiral Out from Parking Orbit: 8/6/2047* Period of Callisto Escape Spiral: 9 days Period of Jupiter Escape: 140 days Heliocentric Transfer to SOI of Earth: 670 days Period of Earth Injection: 20 days *Arrival at Earth / L1: 11/27/2049* *Total Mission Time: 1741 days (4.8 years)*

[@alexdavies911]

What is the concept for the fueling station

[@fragomatik]

I'm not sure what you're asking, but all the info is in the source document, here: ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030063128.pdf

[@piplupsingularity]

GLaDOS, is that you?

[@fragomatik]

"𝙏𝙝𝙖𝙣𝙠 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙝𝙚𝙡𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙪𝙨 𝙝𝙚𝙡𝙥 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙚𝙡𝙥 𝙪𝙨 𝙖𝙡𝙡" kzbin.info/www/bejne/rn7PlZlmqbdnfc0

[@SpatiumRenascentia]

There is a nice sci fi tv show out there, killjoys. Who thinks frago will like it ?

[@fragomatik]

+SpatiumRenascentia Did someone mention "a nice sci-fi tv show"? Yes please!!

[@SpatiumRenascentia]

+f r a g o m a t i k en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killjoys_(TV_series) It starts great and gets better, there is a second season coming.

[@SpatiumRenascentia]

+f r a g o m a t i k There is also " the expanse " , but only four episode to date en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series)

[@fragomatik]

+SpatiumRenascentia Thanks for the links, bro. Killjoys is now on my list! I've seen ep 1 of the Expanse, looks good so far...

[@fragomatik]

+SpatiumRenascentia Ok, so I've watched up to episode 7 of The Expanse, and so far really enjoying it...kinda reminds me of "Babylon 5" with all the political machinations...which is entertaining! And I'm heartened to see them trying to be faithful to the science and physics of manoeuvring in space, Coriolis effects on the rotating Ceres habitat, etc.

[@lordfaladar6261]

must be some missing footage, doesnt say what other landers are for or do

[@fragomatik]

Hey there... There's no missing footage. The landers are mentioned several times during the narration. See timestamp 29sec kzbin.info/www/bejne/bH7Jf6NjfbelsLM Quote: "𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑜 𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎 𝑣𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑝𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 - 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑒-𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑟𝑒-𝑢𝑠𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟, 𝑎 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑡, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑐𝑒 𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑑𝑢𝑙𝑒" The re-usable Crew Lander is for carrying crew to the surface and then returning them back to the "mothership". The Surface Habitat is where the crew live during the surface exploration phase. The Resource Utilisation Lander carries the rovers, the ISRU reactor (for power) and autonomous robot drones and tele-operated remotes. Perhaps I should add subtitles to make it clearer? EDIT: CC subtitles have been added for clarity - thanks for the comment!

[@lordfaladar6261]

@@fragomatik there mentioned but not described like the first one

[@fragomatik]

@@lordfaladar6261 I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand the problem. Hopefully my first reply clarified things for you. If not, why not try reading the the publications linked in the description. They go into *extensive* detail about the mission architecture. Have nice day!

[@Wes-u7y]

Check out Astronaut The Last Push

[@fragomatik]

Wow, did not enjoy that one at all...I suppose they did alright with the effects for such a low budget flick, but the story could have been less tedious and more engaging IMO...just my 2c worth 🥱

[@chexhcatialo3889]

Ganymede would be the best option for crewed missions and colonization of the Jovian system.

[@fragomatik]

Perhaps, however *this* animation is based on the HOPE report (here: ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20030063128.pdf ) ...which used Callisto as the target, partially due to the apparent abundance of water-ice on the surface which would make it a good candidate for ISRU (In-Situ Resource Utilisation). For more information be sure to read the document referred to in the above link.

[@skurinski]

Callisto is much safer for humans with little radiation

[@montylc2001]

Great video and concepts.....except.....using rockets to land on Callisto would be...problematic. Callisto's surface is ICE.

[@stevenpilling5318]

What surface material could they utilize? Callisto is largely composed of dirty ice.

[@fragomatik]

Dirty ice is exactly what would be processed by the ISRU! This video is based on a NASA paper (link in the video info). Here is a quote from page 7: "𝐴𝑛 𝐼𝑆𝑅𝑈 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑢𝑝 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑖𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑑 ℎ𝑦𝑑𝑟𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑥𝑦𝑔𝑒𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑡. 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑠 55% 𝑜𝑓 𝐶𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜’𝑠 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑟, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐼𝑆𝑅𝑈 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑦 𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑠..." ..and... "...𝘈𝘯 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘦𝘭𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘶𝘪𝘭𝘥 𝘶𝘱 𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘦𝘭𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯-𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘶 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘊𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘭."

[@stevenpilling5318]

@@fragomatik I was referring to building material.

[@fragomatik]

@@stevenpilling5318 "Building material"? Are you referring to material for the construction of permanent structures and habitats? If so, please note that there is *no mention of such in either the video or in the cited source document.* Please be aware that the mission illustrated is not a "colonisation" mission - it is an *exploration* mission. That's why there is included a dedicated habitat lander for the crew to live in during the surface exploration phase of the mission. The use of in situ resources is for the production of rocket fuel & oxygen from the water-ice, and for construction of radiation shielding from the surface regolith. For more information please be sure to *read the source document.* It's all in there 🚀

[@stevenpilling5318]

@@fragomatik If you're going through all the difficulty of reaching out to Jupiter, it stands to reason that you'll be there a while to make the effort count. This isn't a week long Moon-and-back excursion. Therefore, there will need to be semi-permanent erected on Callisto during the expedition's stay. If possible, they'd want to leave something for follow-up missions. I didn't mention colonization. However, it's notable that Callisto is the natural gateway to the wealth of the Jovian asteroids.

[@fragomatik]

@@stevenpilling5318 For more information please be sure to read the source document. It's all in there 🚀

[@mariasirona1622]

KSP music, huh?

[@fragomatik]

Music: Dreamy Flashback by Kevin MacLeod is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution licence (creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Source: incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/index.html?isrc=USUAN1100532 Artist: incompetech.com/ KSP uses the same music.

[@augustus6285]

That voice hurts.