First Time Hearing THE STRANGLERS! Bass Teacher REACTS to "Nice 'N' Sleazy"

[@garethde-witt6433]

I’m constantly amazed by how much good music from the UK is ignored by Americans and then suddenly discovered

[@alangurneysmall3052]

You guys have a lot of great local music so easy miss

[@drewhunter8558]

I was listening since '76!

[@chaddaly3309]

Right….. Americans just don’t get/understand UK rock music. Sorry bruv, this may be the stupidest comment I’ve seen today. The UK music scene holds a much bigger influence over American music than classic American music does. Dork.

[@simonbarber2098]

@@chaddaly3309 not sure you are right there all the early UK rock and blues bands in the late 50s early 60s were influenced by the likes of Howling Wolf and Muddy Waters. The Stranglers were influenced by the magnificent Devo and Doors. And I am just scratching the surface...Ramones and New York Dolls brought punk to the UK, maybe even MC5. The influence of the US in music is huge.

[@bruzrkgro-malog2953]

UK rock bands have and will always be the best!

[@jonchilds1637]

For me, there is probably no better example of JJ’s sound than the intro to ‘Hanging Around’! A fine demonstration of that gloriously filthy tone we love so much!

[@EdMcF1]

Yes, the bass barges in saying 'This is MY song!'.

[@VedranCro]

Man I love that song, bass kicks in like a bulldozer!

[@deadbydayinblack]

I do like the air on the g string that is " No more heroes"

[@herryhubert2706]

Sure thing, together with Goodbye Toulouse, which has the most agressive bass strokes

[@ascoyne]

Or maybe "outside tokyo" which is immense.

[@alex-E7WHU]

You really need to listen to their version of "walk on by". Its absolutely mustard.

[@allsorts9909]

Indeed. Such a brilliant cover

[@feline1973]

Yeah JJ's bass on Walk on By is absolutely sick 😂

[@kentwood9821]

But for the ultimate thunder bass picking-hand-workout there can be only one and that is Tank!

[@feline1973]

@@kentwood9821 pretty much everything on Black & White is classic JJ, apart from In the Shadows where he does a rare excursion into fuzz

[@-chris1965]

Best cover ever

[@keiranbradley3238]

You have to check out their version of "Walk on By" from the Black and White sessions!.

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

Wasn't that on an bonus single that was with the first pressing?

[@davidhoran9634]

Why… it’s a weak song in a rich musical catalog……! It’s only a dumb cover…..💩

[@Tim091]

@@davidhoran9634 It showcases JJ's bass better than any other Strangler's song IMO, plus is a killer cover of one of the all tine great songs.

[@dreams99]

@@davidhoran9634 It's a great interpretation of a classic song, completely changes the tone of the original while conveying a strong authentic emotion.

[@Chrisamusic1]

JJ doesn't play Rics. It's an EQ'd p-bass.

[@simonbarber2098]

Everyone check out Down in the Sewer...off LP Rattus Norvegicus. A total masterpiece...maybe 1st ever punk-prog track

[@shugd3]

I was 14 when the stranglers closed their 1978 concert at the Glasgow Apollo with down in the sewer, we pogo'd nonstop for the whole song, came out on a pure high and drenched in sweat, brilliant, I'll never forget it

[@simonbarber2098]

@@shugd3 nice 1 pal. I was a Johnny come lately mid 80s. I was only 8 mind you in 77.

[@Quadrant14]

@simonbarber2098 yes indeed, a MIGHTY ALBUM, that savageness of the vocals and the brutish Bass/Drums, and those sleazy keyboards.

[@simonbarber2098]

@@Quadrant14 ta pal

[@bruzrkgro-malog2953]

Just discovered that album last week, really loving it!

[@paulshephard1907]

At the time of recording it was a 76 Precision played through a Hiwatt 200 head into a Marshall 4x12" and/or a Hiwatt 4x15". He used a 63 Precision (the DIY painted green on Olympic white) on the previous two albums, but with the same amp/cab stuff. Yes, a heavy plectrum played at that time between the bridge and pickup (plays more towards the pickup and over it nowadays).

[@mightyV444]

And one of the speakers had a rip in it, according to legend 😊 I love his tone on their early recordings! 😍

[@donnix1192]

@@mightyV444His tone is just straight up legendary

[@hbriem]

I play bass in Iceland's oldest punk band. We were fortunate to warm up for the Stranglers a couple of times and I was very interested in JJ's bass tone of course. One key feature that his bass tech told me, he insists on fresh strings for every gig!

[@jonnygranvillemusic4762]

Wasn’t he a Marshall head user?

[@hbriem]

@@jonnygranvillemusic4762 He's used all sorts over the years. Ashdown when he came here to play and I think still.

[@ericandriechack1726]

Peaches is an iconic stranglers song too

[@rrrvvvv999]

Fantastic bass

[@boojiboy2275]

Yeah but it's the lyrics that make that song "Walking on the beaches looking at the peaches." Genius! 😂

[@donnix1192]

This is my favorite bass line to play!!! JJ is a legend and damn that tone is insane

[@muzzy1978]

JJ is an awesome bassist. His tone softened on later albums but those early Stranglers records had a huge, dirty bass sound and it was always high in the mix. Check out 'Goodbye Toulouse' from the first album. It makes my hand fall off! The first three albums 'Rattus Norvegicus' 'No More Heroes' and 'Black And White' are full of brilliant bass lines. By all means, though, check out the albums that came after because even though the bass was reduced as time went on, Burnel still came up with excellent lines.

[@garyhendrie4001]

The best albums in my opinion

[@muzzy1978]

@@garyhendrie4001 Those first 3 albums occupy a special place in the hearts of all Stranglers fans and with good reason. The fact that they were released within 18 months of each other is pretty staggering and testament to the bands brilliance. I love them all but I can happily listen to the later albums with equal pleasure and 'The Gospel According To The Meninblack' is actually my personal favourite. Post Cornwell, I don't really bother much with, although 'Norfolk Coast' is worth a listen.

[@garyhendrie4001]

@@muzzy1978 i absolutely agree with what your saying and also love the men in black album too. They are all great albums but i love the rawness of those first three. So many great songs to pick from its hard to pick favourites

[@ghostofpanama622]

One of the tonal issues was that JJ was playing through blown speakers in the early days. Later on - there was more money.

[@muzzy1978]

@@garyhendrie4001 Agreed. A band that can effortlessly change styles is always a hallmark of greatness. Think of The Beatles, Talk Talk or Roxy Music for a few other examples. Play their first album and then their last one and the change is dramatic but the music is still fantastic. I feel that The Stranglers don't get enough credit and probably never will. I sometimes wonder if it's because of their confrontational attitude in the early days. They hacked off quite a few people back then and I think the stigma still dogs them to this day.

[@barryclements8395]

‘Genetix’ from The Raven album is a superb example of JJs skill on the bass.

[@keithripley739]

I totally agree with you on that, it's my go to track when I need that next level JJ bass fix.

[@Subculture]

Might be worth having a listen to The Ruts. Couple of suggestions, Babylon's Burning or Dope For Guns.

[@robpaige2376]

Dope For Guns, definitely.

[@buckmelanoma758]

Yes!!!!!

[@ericandriechack1726]

With Anxiety...Babylon is burning

[@baabaabaa-yp2jh]

Jah War, Sus, Something that I said.... Brilliant band!!

[@gustavmeyrink_2.0]

When Th Ruts did not play as themselves they were Laurel Aitkens backing band!

[@ninthcouncil]

Punk/new wave, with its hatred of show-off guitar playing, encouraged that "lead bass" style where the bass does more of the melodic heavy lifting than usual. Burnel is an iconic bass player in that context, and together with Dave Greenfield's (RIP) distinctive keyboards, defined the Stranglers sound. Stranglers were not a standard punk act, rather a gritty rock band who surfed a sympathetic wave, and JJ's sound is very different to Peter Hook, who you've also looked at, but they both come out of that milieu. Another interesting figure is Barry Adamson, who began in the same era as the bass player for Magazine ("A Song From Under The Floorboards" has a glorious bassline) and moved on to compose "soundtracks for imaginary movies" (and some real ones, including working with David Lynch).

[@chrisb4729]

Stranglers members were quite a bit older than members of punk bands of the time (particularly drummer Jet Black who died a couple years ago at age 84) so didn't really fit in with the scene although they were classified as "punk" for lack of any better classification and for the shows they played. Barry Adamson also was in Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds for a few albums.

[@johnp8131]

@@chrisb4729 Agreed, Dave lived in my village, his wife Pam still does and we used to occasionally have a chat over a pint in our local. He said to me, (I'm paraphrasing) that they were really a rock 'n' roll band that managed to slot in at the right time with that new wave.

[@motionoutoftime]

Great reaction and analysis! Very excited to see you check out more from the Meninblack. Fun fact: The Stranglers almost singlehandedly kicked off punk rock in Iceland on the tour for Black and White in 1978. Another fun fact: the 80's band, Flock of Seagulls, took their name from a line in the song "Toiler on the Sea", which is also on the Black and White album. Final fun fact: Black and White features a scorching cover of Dionne Warwick's "Walk on By" that has amazing dueling keyboard and guitar solos. Which makes sense -- The Stranglers were a hardworking pub rock band before they got swept up in the punk rock explosion in the late 70's. They sort of looked punk, but otherwise didn't fit the mold, since they were older and much more proficient musicians than the punk bands they played with. They could just jam and improvise for hours and keep crowds entertained while doing it. As a massive fan of this band, I heartily recommend checking out the song "Nuclear Device" from The Stranglers 1979 album, The Raven, and also "Goodbye Toulouse" from their 1977 debut, Rattus Norvegicus -- some very busy bass on that one! But if you want to listen to the "definitive" Stranglers track, it's gotta be "(Get A) Grip [on Yourself]", which is also on Rattus Norvegicus. Maybe one of the best songs ever written.

[@mightyV444]

I also recommended said cover version of 'Walk On By' to Mark 😊

[@daccrowell4776]

Sadly, my copy of "Black and White" doesn't have the "Walk On By" cover...but then, it IS the original A&M "black and white vinyl" pressing (which is more like a swirly gray color, tbh). Otherwise, over here we didn't get a complete "The Raven". Instead, it got diced up and tracks were replaced with some B-sides and solo tracks. I've heard both, and while it's nice to have the "extra content", the label should've left that album alone. But that was a thing back then; a few years later, Epic did a similar hatchet-job with Japan's last few studio releases. Dumb. Very dumb.

[@mightyV444]

@@daccrowell4776 - Wasn't 'Walk On By' included in 'Black And White' as an extra 45? As opposed to being on the actual LP, I mean.

[@daccrowell4776]

@@mightyV444 If it was, that might well be why I don't have it. My copy is tagged as a promo copy on the sleeve and label, and enclosures like that often don't make into promo copies. Damn shame, because I've heard that version and it really could've been a helluva springboard for them in the US. But one cannot truly divine the sort of madness involved in the reason and rhyme of major labels. Or you could just chalk it up to hookers and blow! 😆

[@deanmartin9199]

​@@mightyV444The Black And White album in the UK was on black vinyl and included a white vinyl 7" of Walk On By

[@theobjectivethinker64]

Peter Hook was a huge fan of the Stranglers and was a major influence for Joy Division and U2.

[@PhilAndrews-m8l]

JJ Burnel is one of a select group of bassists who I find entertaining on their own. The only bassist that I have heard sounding like him is Alejandra Villarreal. She is also highly entertaining.

[@jonstclair3290]

Check out Norman Watt Roy's playing with the Blockheads

[@petehurd5301]

'hit me with your rhythm stick'

[@patrickfitzgerald409]

Top quality Bassist who also played on the Magnificent 7 by The Clash - amazing groove!

[@DabbaRanx]

When you consider this was 1978 - its kinda crazy just how ahead of its time their sound was

[@martinbeagley4481]

Also consider how many ground breaking albums came out from bands back in the day in such a significantly short period of time. None of this waiting for ten years for Tool to bring out a new album 🤣 massive creativity compacted into three or four years!

[@theobjectivethinker64]

The bass is awesome on the Album Black and White all the way though, Listen to Toiler, Tank, Sweden etc. The bass is even more gritty on Rattus Norvegicus the first album.

[@HT-io1eg]

Rattus and B&W, thinking person’s punk. Raw, but musicians who understand composition and have way out there subjects

[@keiranbradley3238]

"Do ya wanna" "Death and Night and Blood" are tremendous bass extravaganzas, in fact all of Black and White is. Dave Greenfield was the sky, JJ was the earth.

[@livianegidius9772]

JJ is among else classicaly trained guitarist.And highest karate master in UK 8 o9 dan, so showsome respect. i grew up with Stranglers music one of the most talented and best band till today. Keyboards , late mr Dave Greenfield, drums Jett Black for your info.

[@Rugmunchersauce3]

Also sadly gone now too. R.I.P Dave and Jet, long live JJ, Hugh and Baz (and the 2 youngsters who do a very good job of filling Dave and Jets shoes too).

[@MTB-Idle]

Yes, yes, yes. Bought this on 7 inch single vinyl when it was released and played it in constant rotation along with other Stranglers records

[@tomdelrio446]

Fender Precision Bass with RotoSound roundwound strings played with a plectrum very close to the bridge, through Hiwatt all-valve amplification. Some say slashed speaker cones...

[@feline1973]

JJ originally had a 4x10 guitar speaker cabinet that all the speakers had ripped on. Classic example of penniless musicians finding a unique sound due to circumstance

[@mikeeacrett9681]

Definitely recommend you listen to New Model Army's "No Rest". Stuart Morrow was very influenced by JJ's bass. Also if you want to do another Stranglers song, their cover of Walk on By is amazing. Great bass lines.

[@mightyV444]

I agree! 😃👍 It has to be the proper _full_ version of 'Walk On By' though, not the Single edit! 😉 New Model Army are another great 'bass band' indeed! 😃 They've had several different bassists over the years who'd all played interesting stuff 😊 But I shouldn't use the Past Tense as they are actually still going! 😅

[@pauldouglas9464]

Stuart Morrow was a great bassist, totally unique style.

[@craigpacker2693]

This is one of the first songs I learned to play. JJ Burnell played either a P-bass or a J-bass with a brass nut.. It was green sunburst and looked as wild as it sounds.

[@kevv117]

I hope you do more stranglers always with great bass. He uses a fender precision.

[@alextinu8841]

Yes sir! If you keep it this way, you'll get a bachelor degree in punk bass! ❤ Cheers!

[@LowEndUniversity]

That's the plan! 😇

[@mattjohn4731]

Stranglers fans often enjoy the Damned, particularly their 1982 album Strawberries. Both are rock bands with one (ish) foot in the punk sound

[@SuperOhdannyboy]

Who doesn't like The Damned?

[@mightyV444]

mattjohn4731 - The Damned also have many great bass lines in their repertoire, played by a bunch of different bassists over the years, too 😊

[@kramer6564]

Your right. Some lovely bass on MGE by Algy Ward same on Strawberries and Paul Gray.

[@mattjohn4731]

@@mightyV444 definitely. Life Goes On, Love Song, Billy Bad Breaks, Under The Wheels, etc

[@mattjohn4731]

@@kramer6564 Yes and of course Paul has re-joined them! The current lineup is all elders: Sensible, Vanian, Scabies(!!), Gray, Oxymoron 🤘💥🎸🎤🥁🎹

[@icouldbewrongicouldberight]

Hugh : "...John has a speaker cabinet about the size of a door. With about 16 ten inch speakers in it, which are a bit small to be taking bass. They all blew one after the other. So he ended up with a huge cabinet with blown speakers, and the sound got dirtier and dirtier, and became a feature of the band. That's why it's mixed so high on the record. Martin Rushent (Producer) said that people liked the sound of the bass." 😻

[@johncollins5552]

Norman Watt Roy bassist with Ian Dury and the Blockheads is the only one who could top this Stranglers bassist of that era , Hit Me With Your Ryhthm Stick is the hit song.

[@Beaufortlawrence]

Along the lines of a hot water music sound, the Canadian group The Flatliners is a bit of a sleeper. “Hang my head” has some excellent composition and interesting chords, with sneaky good bass work!

[@BonsaiPop]

Polar bear club is right there with them I think, wild band all around

[@robertogreen]

You should DEFINITELY, as Matt says, look at Strawberries by the damned. Or machine gun etiquette, but I’d start with wait for the blackout and gun fury (of riot forces)

[@paulburton5150]

For another great Stranglers bass driven song you must listen to Peaches. Although you might want to listen to that before broadcasting, the lyrics are a little spicy 🙂

[@HT-io1eg]

One of my favourite albums, fantastic!! Saw them live twice. The Men in Black 😊

[@stoatystoat174]

Love the Goodbye Toulouse bass, it's just simple repeats of patern up/down scales. Almost like a training excercise but great fun

[@williampaquet6573]

Nor Punk or New Wave; this is pure classic Post Punk. JJ's bass playing was my humber one influence, followed by Entwhistle and Squire.

[@robmarchant1496]

JJB plays a P-bass through a 50 watt Hiwatt head and a 412 guitar cabinet with blown speakers.

[@B0K1T0]

Seen 'em live twice, great band! I'd say "Golden Brown" is their most well-known song (and maybe somewhat overplayed on Dutch / European (boomer) radio) but I still like that one a lot :) Along with No more heroes ♥

[@Tabazan]

Have a listen to Peaches

[@MDMARAMPAGEUK]

Love peaches.

[@jamessmart3159]

The bass is just filthy on that one. Love it!

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

Peaches bass is borrowed from heavy reggae stuff JJ heard around London at the time…. really obvious once you know….

[@bassimprovjams3772]

What a super cool song!! The bassline isn’t difficult it it’s so tasteful and sits in the mix so much that makes the bass the main point of the song, great call on the Ric callout!

[@kevind7150]

The Strangler never stopped try to produce stuff totally different. Waltz in black, is another bizarre but brilliant piece of work.

[@ian_jenkins]

The beginning of "No more heroes" is epic, you will love it.

[@kosmikcharlie6637]

J.J is the reason i picked up the bass.

[@LessAiredvanU]

Another Brit New Wave band that featured a melodic bass player was The Associates. Michael Dempsey was in The Cure for the first album, was kicked out and joined The Associates - Party Fears Too is the track to hear slap and pull technique to a New Wave backdrop. Even better is the voice.

[@neilbeigie4045]

You need to check out the Jesus Lizard. David Wm Sims is the boss bass man of late 80s-90s alt music. Listen to the album Goat, no bad track to pick from from a bass perspective…try Nub or Mouth Breather, the opener Along Comes Dudley is a great example of how the bass can set the mood (ominous in this case) with even a simple groove

[@motionoutoftime]

As a huge fan of The Jesus Lizard, I could not agree more. I think there are also some great songs on Liar and Down that feature really innovative bass lines. I'm thinking deeper cuts like "Whirl" or "Perk" from Liar, and "50¢", "American BB" or "Din" from Down.

[@SebPaez]

Great suggestion! “Monkey Trick” would be my recommendation

[@stephenbingham5935]

Love JJ Burnell and his bass work. The Stranglers were the best.

[@barryclements8395]

Steve, I think you mean ARE the best. 😉

[@stephenbingham5935]

@@barryclements8395 You are correct. Apologies.

[@rabbitscooter]

Since you're doing the 70s/80s alternative thing, you should check out Colin Moulding from XTC, a bassist (and songwriter) who deserved far more recognition. Mayor of Simpleton has some outstanding bass work.

[@simoncardie9371]

JJ Burnel put new strings on every time he played. That and a Fender Precision stuck through a Hiwat amp got him his growling sound. He was also a classical guitarist originally, not a bass player. Just brilliant. Take a listen to Genetix.

[@jonmatthews4254]

JJ is the best bassist for me, pioneering sound, technique, skill and innovation, much copied but never equalled. Peter Hook one of many who took their inspiration from the Master. Favourite track, Down In The Sewer.

[@Froyo__]

Good morning, Mark! Excellent song choice!

[@hansvandermeulen5515]

The bassline is mostly minor scale with few non-scale notes, if any. The fast descending line from the intro is B minor pentatonic. I don't know all that many albums by that band ut this one I do know. The LP came with a 7" with a great version of Walk On By.. Great album all the way.

[@rickbrust7928]

Got a Low End update, was all excited for AVAIL! And once again, no. You gotta do it bro! Over the James is a perfect melodic hardcore record! CHEERS

[@sidsuspicious]

Precision bass with a 4x12 cab that had a ripped speaker for that outrageous tone he gets. On an unrelated note, know the bar in Glasgow, Nice 'N' Sleazy well, played downstairs many times & been thrown out a few too... I'm no angel.

[@Kung_Fu_Jesus]

I had to repair said neck after a nasty leak in the somStranglers backline store cupboard. His No1 bass got messed up from the leak

[@Rugmunchersauce3]

I like your profile name! 😄👍

[@trajer1535]

Jeff Rosenstock - Festival Song... He is a king among the DIY punk/indie scene and this song has a good bassline too. Definitely a must-add to your punk renaissance!

[@bruceleeman]

Jeff is our punk rock renaissance man. The guy does it all.

[@savaisakovic3857]

This bass line is legendary. I like your reaction and analysis.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thank you!

[@greggvanvranken6482]

For the first three Stranglers albums (and this song comes off the third), Burnel was playing a Fender Precision bass through a Hiwatt 100 valve head and a Marshall 4x12 cabinet (supposedly with torn speaker cones but that's probably a myth). He used Rotosound Swing Bass strings, always used a plectrum and tended to play hard right over the pickup.

[@philshine3388]

Apparently JJ’s bass sound came from him having a tear in his amp speaker. The sound became the stranglers trademark so they replicated it for the first 3 or 4 albums

[@mattdavis9371]

Simply put, JJ is the best bassist of all time.

[@mightyV444]

By the way, Mark: I spotted you in a humorous clip about band load-ins a few days ago, on IG! 😀 And another great band from the UK with nice bass-playing are Big Country! 'Where The Rose Is Sown', 'Wonderland', 'Angle Park', 'Fields Of Fire', etc. 😊

[@Blue_3rd]

If you enjoyed this song, check out a couple more with really nice bass lines: ‘Hanging Around’ and ‘No More Heroes’. Cheers!

[@mikebears1850]

I first saw them live in 1978 at a pub in London. He played a Black P bass with a mirror scratch plate. JJ was the reason I picked up the bass. I played the roundhouse London with Lorraine Jordan in 2015 when the Stranglers were in the main auditorium, I got to meet him after their sound check, nice geezer. I've never seen him play a Rick bass, always a P style originally a Fender then a different make but still a P style. His tone always cut through the mix and made the bass a feature instrument in their sound.

[@marcdewolf7334]

On this album he played a 1975 Fender p bass, roundwound strings, played with a Gibson heavy plectrum. Producer Martin Rushent had perfected his sound in the studio.

[@NoxiousRob]

JJ never played a Rickenbacker bass, it was a Fender in the early days of The Stranglers. He never even thought of himself as a bassist, he played Spanish guitar before being enlisted to the band to play bass, which probably explains some of his more intricate playing compared to other UK punk bands at that time. I recommend reacting to the track Genetix, from The Raven album, to me it is one of JJ's greatest bass performances, in particular the outro section. From your intro to this video I gather you've already checked out Peter Hook of Joy Division and New Order. If you haven't already reviewed it, there is a great version of the New Order track Perfect Kiss performed by Peter Hook and The Light during lockdown which is available on KZbin. I still regard this as one of Hooky's best ever bass performances.

[@croulantroulant3082]

JJ = Jean-Jacques Burnel ! Very French name....He is the son of a French couple who immigrated to England to open a restaurant I think Il est (un peu) à nous aussi héhé

[@Bristolcentaurus]

all of the members were fairly well musically educated but JJ is trained as a classical guitarist another vote for Peaches from Rattus and very different approach in Golden Brown

[@johnsamuel221]

JJ is the only original member still in the band. But !! They still tour with a superb singer/guitarist , a great drummer and a new keyboard player. The major plus with the Stranglers is they play the songs you want to hear them ! No frills, no added riffs. JJ is a superb bass player

[@jasonhiggins6431]

Not true the band died when Hugh left , infact they were a spent force after 79 ( in my opinion )

[@martymcfartface996]

I think JJ was singing on "Nice and sleazy" and not Hugh Cornwel. The whole band get credit for the song lyrics. But I suspect it was mostly JJ's work. I'm happy to be corrected if I am wrong. An internet search shows there are JJ Burnel signature Bass guitars by Shuker. They have only been made since 1995. Before that I think he played Fender Precisions. And perhaps a Yamaha Bass.

[@JoanneTelling1]

It's a Precision through a Hiwatt Custom 200 and (I think) a Marshall 4x12.

[@Darwinist]

Dave Greenfield, their keyboard player was a huge part of their sound while never tipping them over into proggy nonsense. The solo in this song is played on (I think) a Minimoog analog monosynth and during the climax he' starts toggling oscillator settings that weren't really intended to be messed with in the middle of a performance, hence the perceived volume jump and overall weirdness.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Interesting!!

[@shugd3]

I have drank in nice'n'sleazy in Glasgow and was lucky enough to see the stranglers 3 times between 1978 (I was 14) and 1983 at the famous Glasgow Apollo

[@neil1958-s5k]

Try Goodbye Toulouse, the hardest thing by a distance on Rattus - it's the speed and stretching and quick shifts that makes it so.

[@johnjonesToffeeman]

This was played on a Fender p bass JJs Bassology pre 1979 Fender P 79-83 Yamaha BB2000 83-85 Steinberg headless 85-present shukter signature

[@davebarrett2355]

Great choice! It was a p-bass at this point, and yes a plectrum (I still have one somewhere from a gig in 1980)

[@mikegraham4255]

One of my favorite stranglers songs and basslines is Duchess from the Raven.

[@Kung_Fu_Jesus]

It’s Fender P-Bass, I had to repair the neck after a nasty leak in the backline store room

[@donholl]

Non-musician, here: my impression of the song (which I love - as well as the album) was also that it offers a role-reversal scenario, with Hugh's guitar assuming the "rhythm section" role - and J.J. taking the "lead" one. That is indeed some "filthy" bass! When B&W came out, my close friends (most are musicians) and I were around 19-20 and moving into punk/wave from our prog/rock HS tastes: he really made us think of Chris Squire's tone and less-conventional style.

[@jonnygranvillemusic4762]

I’m always surprised that this guy, good as he is, hasn’t heard an awful lot of classics

[@LowEndUniversity]

Thanks! I try to pick songs that I don't recognize, so it can certainly seem that way.

[@jonnygranvillemusic4762]

@@LowEndUniversity I guess I am just a lot older than you dude, keep at it though, its always a pleasure to see your surprise.

[@LowEndUniversity]

Appreciate you! Doing my best to catch up on bands I’ve missed! 🙏🏼

[@MikePhillips-pl6ov]

New/beginner bass player since 2020. One of my favourite basslines. Just seen your channel and subscribed 👍

[@littlejimmy7402]

I don't know if you've ever heard of a talented, but cursed bass player named Patricia Morrison (Pat Bag) maybe. She played with some seminal bands "Sisters of Mercy" and "The Damned" for 2. I think She was hampered in Her music career because She was really beautiful. "Lucretia, My Reflection" is an early Goth masterpiece, I believe Patricia plays on the record.

[@paulodingle2142]

One of the most underrated bands of all time

[@mikeswarbrick128]

JJ and Freeman are the pinnacle of punk bass

[@gpwhughes]

Saw these live in Brockwell park just up the road randomly 20 years ago. Sooo good live! Great vid. If you keep going on a Brit vintage kick - check out Ian Dury and the Blockheads. "Hit me with your rhythm stick" will stand out but the back catalogue is thick.

[@JamesNeeson-r2q]

JJ plays a fender precision with the treble turned up to 12 giving that amazing distorted tone.

[@paulclements6277]

Burnel is a fender man

[@Rugmunchersauce3]

Yes but there was a moment when he tried one of those horrible things with no head stock and a tiny oblong body. Awful. Didn't last long. He still made it sound good though.

[@garybridge-ku7bf]

I really enjoyed this, thanks for your kind comments, you know your stuff. Martin Rushent who produced the album was a genius. R.I.P Martin.

[@jerrycrowe62]

"outside Tokyo" from the black and white album has a nice sounding drop D tuning on the bass line.

[@kevindean9613]

He used a P bass with a Hiwatt amp , the secret to his sound was that he had a ripped speaker cone . If you'd like to hear some technical stuff from the bassist listen to a track called Genetix from the Raven LP .

[@alanaitken5727]

He moved on from the HiWatt after the first 2 albums. Ashly pre amp and Trace Elliot on future works

[@kevindean9613]

@@alanaitken5727 And Ashdown ,but live He just DIs the rig is just for show .

[@mattjohn4731]

Stranglers are still going! With JJ Burnel being the only one left from the classic lineup. R.I.P. Dave Greenfield and Jet Black. I'm not sure if it's JJ or Hugh on lead vox but they really rock it

[@icouldbewrongicouldberight]

This is Hugh

[@mattjohn4731]

@@icouldbewrongicouldberight Cool! I have many Brit favs: the Damned, Clash, Conflict, CRASS, Napalm Death, Poison Girls, Slits, Robyn Hitchcock, Varukers, UK Subs, the Cure, the Cult, Siouxsie, Billy Bragg, Bauhaus, Wire, Killing Joke, PiL, Peter Gabriel, the Troggs, Billy Childish, etc 🤘

[@Meirion-y3l]

Saw JJ Brunel in Cardiff a couple of years ago... excellent gig but wish I'd seen them all way back when... utterly blown away when I first heard hanging around...what a track

[@ascoyne]

Saw JJ on his "Euroman" tour in 1979, triumph bonneville on stage. Awesome.

[@paulgibson3433]

To answer your question, it’s a P bass with the treble up, Rotosound round wound strings, and played with a heavy pick near the bridge

[@Greg-om2hb]

I bought this album, on black-and-white vinyl, in 1980.

[@paulneyrinck]

The futuristic production you're hearing is from Martin Rushent who went on to change the sound of the 80s with Human League.

[@cornovii934]

As much as i love the Stranglers the best rhythm section from the late 70s punk/new wave era was Segs and Ruffy from the Ruts .

[@marcharley6465]

This is one of my favourite punk basslines and I was really happy when I eventually learned to play it. JJ Burnel played Spanish acoustic guitar before joining The Stranglers as their bassist.

[@gerardmccavana4905]

Love JJ's playing, tone and growl. Him and Bruce Foxton of The Jam probably thee two most influential bass players from the punk/new wave era(one from Guildford...one from Woking...just a stone's throw away from eachother)

[@sarahcrees]

I can only say so sorry that you've only just found them. They have been my very favourite band since 1977.

[@LouisAmateurArt]

Jean Jacques. My favourite bass player of all time.

[@Paul-dz6fs]

If you really want to know what JJ is about .. you need to review "Straighten Out" and enjoy the intro and the end of the track. JJ used a P bass on this track.

[@larryriley8802]

Burnel at least used to be a super energetic performer on stage. He’s been involved in combat karate for a long time and he’d incorporate that onto the stage.

[@zhegwood]

That is 100% a Yamaha BB. So rad.

[@pedalscapes]

Good stuff suggesting it's a futuristic production - well ahead of it's time - It's a Precision played through a cab with a torn speaker... as others have suggested - check out Stranglers version of - Walk on by - cheers 😎

[@user-mq2vd3xl3v]

Its a fender P bass and his cabinet has a ripped cone. He playes with a pick hard up against the bridge.