What If The USSR Abandoned Communism? | Alternate History

[@Neatling]

Hope everyone enjoys the video! And thank you to Monsieur Z for making this collaboration happen.

[@sqoli5161]

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[@Lukdnuke_Narson]

Good job

[@mccoyfleming6664]

Nojus Krankauskas The USS is the Union of Sovereign States. This is what he’s referring to

[@JTL1776]

GOOD COLAB I VISIT YOUR CHANNEL AFTERWARDS THIS VIDEO GOOD QUALITY AND RESEARCH

[@diegodesouza5382]

I was already subscribed to you! Yay!

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

While I miss the USSR, I’m just glad Wide Putin exists and he’s one of my best friends

[@argh2945]

What's your sister like? She cool?

[@AW27007]

@@argh2945 simp

[@pillow_ben6799]

@The Crap Network he's doin somethin

[@Veriox22]

Aren't you in a coma?

[@quintustheophilus9550]

Kimmy, aren't you supposed to be in bed? Chill and relax, bro. Get some warm tea and don't stress yourself over Putin.

[@patrickconnors4602]

The rise of computers, the USSRs blatant ignoring of it and the USSRs dependence on traditional manufacturing is a huge part of why the USSR collapsed.

[@RhelrahneTheIdiot]

It's like a game of Stellaris or any game where you can research things to get a advantage, the Soviets went for building more things with the traditional approach without civil reforms to get an edge whereas NATO and other associated states did. Basically the west is the one with better tech as opposed to somewhat worse overall, but much more of it.

[@infantjones]

How so?

[@RhelrahneTheIdiot]

@The Yangem That sums it up even better then I could.

[@nickolaszuerg8015]

@@Labargoth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS USSR had it's own project but because of gready burecrats it was abandoned

[@liammeech3702]

Chernobyl was the last death knell for the USSR, word got out and the Soviets could no longer be trusted internally or externally and longer. when it came to a nuclear disaster

[@reeseman1932]

What did you do with the real mr z

[@Neatling]

He's fiiine, don't worry about it ;)

[@officerdank4644]

Your pfp fits perfectly

[@thorpeaaron1110]

@@Neatling You kidnapped him didn't you

[@clydesteele2925]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[@Neatling]

@@thorpeaaron1110 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@kevinhixson1586]

What if Britain stayed Roman after the fall of western rome.

[@indiekiddrugpatrol3117]

They weren't ever Roman apart from a small ruling class the rest of the population was brittonic/celtic

[@ronjayrose9706]

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[@indiekiddrugpatrol3117]

@GTA and Apple channel that's a good one

[@pierresihite8854]

@GTA and Apple channel Taiwan situation I see

[@pierresihite8854]

@GTA and Apple channel perhaps, but I don't know about that. Remember how the KMT after loosing the mainland had Hainan and Taiwan? Hainan fell leaving only Taiwan which was saved from US after threatening war if attacked. Im just saying feels like a 50/50 chance

[@jesper9212]

I dont believe a strong Russia means Finland joins NATO. Finland enjoyed good relations with both the west and east during the cold war. Finland has always had a pragmatic foreign policy and a stronger Russia would only mean Finland would maintain better relations with them.

[@ibroplatin4915]

I mean land is land

[@jesper9212]

@@ibroplatin4915 I think Russia has plenty of forest already

[@ibroplatin4915]

@@jesper9212 ahh makes sense

[@Gookwear]

I think Finland would join NATO not out of fear of a strong Russia but out of fear of Russian expansion

[@andrewmckenzie292]

@@Gookwear Not sure there's much point...they are right on Russia's doorstep and NATO won't be able to do much to save them....Finland's best option would be a more neutral course.

[@indiekiddrugpatrol3117]

The SSR's didn't leave Russia behind, Russia and Ukraine were the first to leave it was Kazakhstan that was the last member of the USSR

[@The_Devil_Chariot]

No russia was thr second last to leave. Ukraine also left much later

[@Gam1ngYT_]

Lithuania was the first to leave

[@eternalmapper5624]

What if the Soviets remained Stalinist Authoritarian after the death of Stalin in 1953?

[@issacnuri5924]

It would probably had a much larger economy and could have last to this day,but it Will be a North korea for the Russians.

[@AshGamer007]

A Stalinist Goverment would be able to held of USSR till today. And I think Soviet could've won Afghan Soviet war because Stalin was great at dealing with insurgency (of course if the pure stalinist goverment use Stalinist tactics in Afghanistan).

[@dalesteffens6769]

Too much mass killing USSR population would be below 100 million by now even if their birth rate stayed high. Tell you what they could of done is followed Beria's ideas scrape communism break up the collective farms allow private ownership of course no central bank and issue money based on the productivity of the people. Russia would become a real power and could of launched a war of world conquest with an excellent chance of winning before year 2000. Beria he was a bad guy responsible for tens of millions killed of people for Stalin but he had a good idea the other communist leaders where so impressed they had him shot..So Russia stayed weak and America continues to rule the World although it is not represented that way. Stalin was the last loose cannon the other commie leaders all in the pocket of the Money powers the cold war big fake show. Take care. Dale

[@user-pf3kv4bv5s]

1. The Soviet economy is not destroyed by the reforms of Khrushchev, the monetary reform of 1961 doesn't take place because of which the purchasing power of citizens fell by 5-10 times, and the Soviet economy became dependent on oil. 2. There's no more food crisis and hunger because the Great Plan for the Transformation of Nature has been completed. Also, the Soviet Union becomes number 1 in food exports. 3. The Palace of the Soviets has been built. Also, The general plan for the reconstruction of the city of Moscow has been completed. Moscow is becoming the most beautiful and efficient city in the world. The rest of the Soviet cities are gradually taking on a similar look (and there's no Khrushchev panel). 4. The Sino-Soviet split doesn't happened, the communist China is still an ally of the Soviet Union. Condemnation of Stalin by Khrushchev doesn't happened and communism is not demonized. After which anti-Soviet uprisings in Eastern Europe don't happened, workers' movements continue to grow throughout the world, reaching a peak especially in West Germany and Finland, Soviet influence in the world is growing. 5. The Soviet Union still dominates in space. 6. The Soviet Union is creating a huge navy capable of competing with the US Navy and defending Soviet interests in the Pacific Ocean. 7. The Korean War doesn't end but i cannot predict its outcome. 8. The Soviet Union becomes a socialist state (Unlike Khrushchev's state capitalism), there's no more money and no Party. The cash exchange has been replaced by the coupons. The party was liquidated and replaced by elected managers. The Soviet republics receive more autonomy.

[@racelkatyusha403]

@@user-pf3kv4bv5s i think i want this kind of U.S.S.R but with no purges and stop that kills everybody

[@SorryIamBored]

So basically the best timeline we unfortunately missed.

[@bizaraEsperantisto]

As a Ukrainian - no Fuck Russia

[@sandrosaladze8095]

Ok weeb

[@goulven05]

@@bizaraEsperantisto Ok Ukr*inian

[@giorgi2702]

Nah thanks

[@goulven05]

@@giorgi2702 Why not

[@lukebaker5135]

“This getting out of hand, now there are two of them”

[@Ypog_UA]

Your mistake was basing this new Union around Russia and Russian identity, which went against all the previous decades of Soviet identity building. One of the main reasons the non-Russians of the Tsarist regime wanted to overthrow it was because they had been persecuted and forced into becoming Russian. It's the same reason why the USSR had separate republics, and why people from the USSR and post-USSR states don't like it when you use Russia and the USSR as synonyms, because they are not the same country, and it diminishes their unique identity. Russia is just one part of the USSR, even if it is the biggest, it does not control the whole country. The Soviet government does.

[@mitonaarea5856]

The Russian federation is the succsesor state of the URSSR tho.

[@Ypog_UA]

@@mitonaarea5856 In legal matters only. That declaration was made to allow Russia to take the place of USSR in the United Nations, and to reclaim all the USSR's nuclear weapons etc in other states.

[@Oliver_Klozoff69]

@@doggo5577 what’s RSFSR?

[@crusader2112]

@@Oliver_Klozoff69 Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic

[@infantjones]

Perestroika was a major cause in the economic collapse of the 1980s, letting it continue further is basically what we saw in real life during the 1990s and it was devastating. A better scenario for the economic aspect would be if Perestroika was more gradual, akin to China (which still saw its economy destabilize for a good 15 years after reforms, very unstable growth, massive inflation, etc.).

[@advancedomega]

Gorbachyov actually tried to reform the economy gradually. The Communist bureaucracy sabotage any and all reforms he tried. After that, he tried to reform the politics with Glasnost with the hope that once the politic is reformed, he can reform the economy. In actuality, the political reform open the floodgate of criticism and destroys the whole bureaucracy, together with the Soviet state.

[@ausriusdidziokas7979]

China didn’t do any perestroika and the corruption and bureaucracy has kept it together like USSR but not for longer. China will enter a period of stagnation.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

What if Denmark actually let the Faroese become independent in 1946

[@ducefascist7497]

World peace

[@gufosufo337]

The faroese world empire

[@AxeltheKing1000]

Nik4CX lol

[@Skywarslord]

Lichtenstein victory in the cold war

[@Astronauticaa]

I’ve seen you somewhere

[@RhelrahneTheIdiot]

I would Imagine India becoming a key partner with the Union Of Sovereign States, they would both have mutual interests in preventing Chinese domination and historically had been quite friendly with each other to the point of India reportedly having leased or buying multiple of the gargantuan Akula Class SSBN's. I also imagine Venezuela, Cuba and potentially Egypt joining The USS's alliance.

[@ivokantarski6220]

China wont be dominating two shites if the union was here. I dunno if they could forget about the belt and road initiative thou. Both superpower know that it's not healthy to leave such a populated state on it's own so neither would want the other to become a friend so would try to bargain. Eitherways its population cant play a big factor vs the union which will be maybe a third as populated. The EU wont expand as much neither would Nato into east Europe.

[@RhelrahneTheIdiot]

@@ivokantarski6220 Maybe the EU would see the continuing existence of the USSR/Union Of Sovereign States as a actual reason to integrate itself further and further until it actually unites itself, I imagine that a union of eastern Europe such as this would immediately result in a union of the west.

[@SILOPshuvambanerjee]

I agree with you as an Indian

[@The_Devil_Chariot]

Tell me you are indian without telling me you are indian

[@zionmolina3039]

This is a really interesting one you've out done yourself on this one Monisuer Z.

[@newfoundlandmapping4493]

What if Newfoundland joined the United States rather than Canada in 1949?

[@alcarbo8613]

The World would be a much better place with the exception of Quebec Canada has no right nor need to exist as its own sovereign entity

[@newfoundlandmapping4493]

Al Carbo 100% agree

[@realyoriginalchanel3218]

How dare you insult Canada, and even more so how dare you suggest that any sort of expansion of USA could lead to anything else than destruction of universe

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@alcarbo8613 I have the same opinion. Some idiot made a vid on 2 countries which have never lost a war. Well the Royal Navy and the ocean surrounding u and then the most industrial state on the planet guarding u it really doesnt take two brains to figure out why U havent lost 1. Becuase u havent been in Ur own vs a proper opponent. Just been in the family and daddy takes care.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

Actually, Britain forced it to join Canada in 1949.

[@simplymarshal1167]

Alternate title : "what if Yeltsin didn't fuck up"

[@Armed_syndicalist]

Yes

[@Shadowgunner785]

When you hear Kalinka in the background and start singing!!!

[@MrAlepedroza]

Wondering how the Middle East wars of the 2000's would have played out. Would this neo Russia oppose the American invasions of Irak and Afghanistan, and prevent the Arab Spring craze? I'd say yes. They would have been more than ten years into their reforms and be far more prosperous and stable than in our timeline. Since they would have Iran within their sphere of influence, it would be of their best interest to keep the rest of the region in check. They may have negotiated a different solution to deal with Al Qaeda without necessarily toppling Saddam, and a situation resembling the current Syrian war may have took place. Afghanistan was lawless and anarchic, so its harder to know what would have happened there. Since Russia would arguably still experience terrorism inside their borders from their muslim minorities, they may reach an agreement with the Americans to deal with the Taliban too. The situation would not have been necessarily better than in our world, and I would have liked the video more if the author adressed those topics a little bit more.

[@ivokantarski6220]

Calling these people terrorists is funny. They are just rebellions who feel like their governments are somebody's whoes so they want to have their freedom. ISIS was the same. We call them terrorists because they resort to killing civilians. In reality what ways could they harm the hegemon who tries to rule them? US army is elite level compared to them. It would easily gain control of air and water and on land it's only a matter of time. The attacks on the towers were a moment U tryna put it on me now ima put it on you too.

[@connorgolden4]

You’d likely see both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan butterflied away. A surviving USSR likely would’ve meant that their puppets in Afghanistan hold on longer (they only collapsed once the economic aid dried up iirc) so bin laden is either still looking to go international and has to find a new place or he keeps fighting in Afghanistan and doesn’t do something like 9/11. And perhaps in such a scenario black hawk down also doesn’t happen. Without that bin laden (who felt confident after seeing Somalis able to fight us) might not feel confident trying to pick a fight with us. The first gulf war is pretty likely to happen cuz saddam is broke and stupid but the second one is likely to be butterflied away. But I don’t think the USSR would stick their neck out for them.

[@nicholasleclerc1583]

@Pizza Man Ok

[@joshbentley2307]

Didn’t Russia support the US’s war on Afghanistan?

[@howardlanus8610]

Great work! Keep it up! If you like, I have some suggestions for future videos. Some of them are likely less plausible than others, but it's fun to think about. 1. What if Richard III won at Bosworth Field? 2. What if India unified? 3. What if Qing China modernized? 4. What if Islam had a Reformation? 5. What if Alexander II wasn't assassinated? 6. What if the Sykes-Picot Agreement never happened? 7. What if the Inca and/or Aztecs had beaten the Spanish? 8. What if the Mali Empire discovered the Americas? 9. What if the Ming Dynasty didn't turn isolationist? 10. What if the Ice Age megafauna never went extinct?

[@Warden0190]

As a Moldovan it's weird to see my country mentioned by name for once (at least correctly and not as Moldavia) thank you for not forgetting it and nice vid.

[@jdftrains3507]

1:09 weirdly enough Russia wasn't actually the last member to leave, when Boris Yeltsin's government was elected into power they declared sovereignty within the union before many other republics did creating a weird situation where Moscow had 2 governments, then when the union started to dissolve, Russia declared independence 4 days before Kazakhstan which made Kazakhstan the last member of the union before they themselves left and the soviet government was dissolved

[@moonshinei]

Glad Neatling got a video here, been watching him a while and though his content was cool

[@serjorahmormont6124]

Finland would not never join NATO without Sweden doing so as well. Or vice versa. Both governments have a common understanding on this. One joining NATO will undoubetly cause Russia to haress or even annex parts of the other. This is also the reason why neither nation in our timeline is part of NATO.

[@housetheunstoppablessed4846]

heh.

[@Astronauticaa]

This didn’t age well

[@jonathanmong4927]

Welp

[@DakuHonoo]

oh god yes, what a great collab, i'm subscribing right after the intro and hope there's gonna be more

[@Newbmann]

Wait who is that new voice? Either way he can't have a idea for what caused the great acceleration no one does.

[@Neatling]

It's me!

[@bricejohnson3014]

K

[@bricejohnson3014]

But why

[@Newbmann]

@@Neatling noice Still can you answer the most confusing question of all time Why has technological advancement accelerated so much whiten the last 300 years.

[@User-uj7nz]

Your point was immediately negated with the statement "...he can't have an idea...". This is an ALTERNATE history channel (definitively built on speculation). Monsiuer and/or the writing staff have obviously (at minimum) written a paper or two in Chicago format for Western Civ classes, therefore, I'm sure the takeaway would have been much different had patrons paid to listen to objective analyses based on primary sources rather than educated hypotheses based on secondary research.

[@Polpey]

The European Coal and Steel Community had not existed under that name since 1957 when it became the European Economic Area (EEC). The EU was on the brink of forming anyway and would still have done so regardless of what happened to the USSR.

[@NoTuProduzioni]

But the biggest question is... *would wide Putin still be w i d e*

[@givemeyoureggs456]

Even *WIDER*

[@chucknormalaid]

No

[@revbigmoney]

WIDE AND THICKKKK PUTIN

[@rupertgarcia]

T H I C C P U T I N .

[@xavierblitz5647]

He would be extra wide

[@bobmcbob9856]

The USS’ “Russian” nationalism would probably have to be less overtly Orthodox Christian in its marketing given the much larger Muslim population. Something similar to our timeline’s incorporation of the Chechens into what Russian nationalists consider “us” would happen on a larger scale and there would be a more generalized conservatism, with references to Orthodox values still happening but being less core to the national ideology than in our timeline Also the “Russian” nationalism would more likely be a kind of USS or “Eurasian” (to use a very loaded term) nationalism. Similar to how modern Russia considers Chechens & Tatars part of the in group, they could not afford to focus on the Russian ethnicity so much for fear of separatism in Ukraine & southern Central Asia (I imagine Kazakhstan might be able to be Russified but not the rest of Central Asia). EmphasizIng Russians specifically as opposed to citizens of the USS or at leas East Slavs generally would be dangerous

[@yeetyeet5079]

They could see themselves as neo ottomans

[@nigelkalashnikov2367]

Less Orthodox? Does that mean Russian Conservatism might be like the Christian Democrats in the Western Europe?

[@bobmcbob9856]

@@nigelkalashnikov2367 not really, it would still, be super hardline conservative compared to Western European Christian Democrats, just that they would likely talk less openly about Orthodoxy on a national level and maybe more about shared Abrahamic Values or whatever term the Russians come up with

[@nigelkalashnikov2367]

@@bobmcbob9856 Does that mean this alternate Russia will have a heavy internet censorship like Putin's Russia?

[@bobmcbob9856]

@@nigelkalashnikov2367 can’t know for sure but I think it’s possible. They’d likely occupy a similar overall cultural and geopolitical position as Russia does IRL, albeit a more powerful one, but how authoritarian they get depends on the specific leader. I said they’d surely be more conservative than Europe, but they don’t HAVE to be more authoritarian (though they do have a bad historical track record). Putin’s generic Russian civic nationalism as opposed to the more strictly ethnically Russian nationalism of Zhirinovski does put him in a potentially strong position in this timeline though. He could still come to power, but might not, and might have to tread more carefully with his authoritarianism to not stoke secession movements in the larger Central Asian republics

[@m.a.118]

4:07 - These states would also leave because they "joined" the USSR in 1940 by not exactly voluntary terms to begin with.

[@Bahns007]

What if term limits were always a law and not just a tradition? This could greatly affect both World Wars as Teddy Roosevelt and FDR ran for their third terms just before each World War.

[@darthmortus5702]

I feel that you were too conservative in your thinking. I mean if you are doing this TL then be optimistic and bold. Have Perestroika work as well as Chinese economic reforms making USS be 2nd largest economy, after all USSR was before its collapse. And with a larger economy it can have a proportionately greater impact on the world.

[@appa609]

China is a much bigger country than the USSR and much poorer when it started its market reforms. The USSR could never have achieved the same proportional growth because they were already much more industrialized.

[@thorpeaaron1110]

Do What if the Mongols successfully conquered Japan in 1281

[@makemap]

Japan would be an allie of Ming dynasty after defeating the Mongols and never attack China rather than trade partners. Manchu would never be able to takeover China with Japanese army coming in to help Ming Dynasty.

[@makemap]

World war on Asian race or world war mongolia where mongols gets defeated.

[@slicy0046]

Oh those guys?

[@ptasznik5973]

Japan would be part of the state that would coalipse anyway

[@wigglyjiggly9935]

You can’t abandon something you never had.

[@cleantoad4332]

???

[@Juan-qu4oj]

“MUh true communism”

[@DerHammerSpricht]

7:40 you should have included Greece too, Russia has long storied ties to Greece, they received their alphabet and Bible from Byzantium etc. Putin and Dugin have both discussed integrating Greece into the Russia-Eurasia sphere.

[@porchofgeese_crockpot]

The original name of the Union of Sovereign States was the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics (USSR) in order to keep the USSR/CCCP acronym as well as the name 'Soviet Union.

[@georgios_5342]

Yeah! I've watched Neatling since the start, because of his great, realistic and in-depth analyseis, and I was sure you would come to recognize it!

[@shadowthehedgehog3113]

I'm not sure the USSR would let go of Armenia and DEFINITELY not the Baltics-even if they did democratize somewhat. There are more democratic countries than this hypothetical USSR that still don't tolerate separatism-like Spain.

[@benshiotsu8553]

Yeah. No way the soviets would lose those sweet sweet warm water ports.

[@boze1204]

I've always thought about how the world would be different if this union had persisted. In really excited for this video!

[@Numba003]

Cool video man; nice to see a new content creator! Stay well out there, and Jesus Christ be with you friends.😊

[@davidseymour6447]

All of this might have happened sooner if Gorbachev would have come to power after the death of Brezhnev in 1982 instead of three wasted years with Andropov and Chernenko.

[@Vitorruy1]

Yeah he was kind running out if time

[@Axemantitan]

7:53 The little dot for West Berlin makes Poland/East Germany look like a face in profile.

[@gufosufo337]

Mein gott

[@-Faris-]

Uhh... I don’t know how to break it to you guys... but this isn’t alternate history. _The USSR did abandon communism_

[@YourLocalMairaaboo]

They mean abandoning communism while keeping the union. Not having the union collapse.

[@2garin682]

@@YourLocalMairaaboo The union has not gone anywhere, it has remained, but has a different name. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States

[@k0mentator507]

2garin it lacka quite a few countries

[@k0mentator507]

CROCRACKS wtf

[@danielkraus5560]

@@crocracks is socialism is public control over means of production, capitalism is private control, USSR was in no way capitalist, state capitalism doesn't exist you either have capitalism or you don't, USSR was much closer to an socialist society than anything even resembling capitalism

[@Discosaturn]

Just what we should have had instead: a reformed Soviet Union that would still be #1 in winning medals at the Olympics today. Now let's reform the UK and stop Brexit from happening!

[@pierresihite8854]

It already happened

[@ivokantarski6220]

Brexit happens because the Fourth Reich is here. I live in UK and am from Bulgaria and dont see anything to gain from Brexit but probadly the rulers have something in mind. Maybe sweet alliance with Amerika. France and Germany would become free again and not Amerikan vassals. Yeah for the dummies which dont know Germany is a vassal. It's just happening that they are a vassal to a country which has probadly as many if not more German ancestors so. Yet France and Germany feel need to be friend with the east. Economically buying resources from east is more worthy. I doupt Germany sells more cars in west than in east. Slavic people love the Bavarets, Mercedes and Audi even VW. Porsche too expensive but whatever

[@turkeygod4095]

It’s because Britain doesn’t want to bail out Greece again

[@Miquelalalaa]

Could you possibly do: 'What if Oswald Moseley became the British PM'?

[@belalabusultan5911]

early times of the cold war, USSR was ahead in space tech, but for most of its history, the west was few steps ahead in matters of technology. the only way for the USS to have an edge is if a pandemic wrecks havoc on older people, including older politicians, and them replaced by younger politicians who travelled and learnt in the west, this will bring the USS to the digital age, with automated factories, and newer solutions for the lesser demand on labor, the best I can thin is for more of these workers would find themselves in education, police, or military, which would improve life standards due to better education and safety, and military power due to larger number of infantry. it's funny that communism would work much better with the digital age than it would with the Industrial age.

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

The problem was of timing and technological ways.

[@Pao234_]

After decades of abusing the SSR's? That's quite a stretch. And also the last member to leave the USSR was Kazakhstan, not Russia

[@ДаниилЖевнерев-т9ы]

The most abused SSR was the Russian one.

[@freddy4603]

Authoritarianism fucks everyone

[@MightyHistoryTV]

Over 80 percent decided to stay.

[@AlternateTimelord]

I love God and Jesus your username contradicts your support for the Soviet Union

[@MightyHistoryTV]

@@AlternateTimelord over 80 percent stay as under the soviet sovereign republics. Not under the USSR. I do not support the USSR but my country was in a better state when it was in it

[@shadowpresident4203]

Even back in the day, when there was a world with two superpowers, the Soviets never had anywhere near the ability of the US to deploy an expeditionary force to any point on the planet. The US was far and away the leader, both for better and for worse. When it comes right down to it, the US Navy is probably the main asset that allows power projection anywhere on earth.

[@jabalimokaya924]

What if my parents never abandoned me?

[@gibetax8477]

You would still be gay

[@kamanashiskar9203]

@@gibetax8477 And you will still be homophobic.

[@grimmylane1368]

@@kamanashiskar9203 it's not really homphobic. It's just a joke.

[@elliot4402]

It kind of reminds me of my country, the UK, its one country, but there are areas which are technically independent countries in their own right. To be fair, like how this video has shown, it would basically be democratic and capitalist u.s.s.r.

[@presidentandroid]

You got a new subscriber

[@Neatling]

Thank you

[@presidentandroid]

No problem

[@dagomyre4417]

Love the collab, Neatling is super underrated.

[@Andominicus]

To many people assume Russia is just the USSR without the other SSRs, but they always forget that Russia left the USSR, while it still existed

[@unamisthekgb]

The planned name for this union was the "Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics"

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

Otherwise known as the USSR which is very different to the USSR.

[@clydesteele2925]

What if Cuba never became Communist?

[@clydesteele2925]

Rest in Peace Mexico

[@clydesteele2925]

@FireIron 36 to be fair if Cuba wasn't Communist the Soviet Union wouldn't have a foothold in the Caribbean, and potentially no Cuban Missile Crisis?

[@wyqtor]

Fidel might have won the elections democratically if he was allowed to compete. That man had real charisma.

[@paschen1791]

To add the Yugoslav wars, would possibly turn into another proxy war between the US and Russia. Though this timeline Serbia would most likely keep Kosovo and Montenegro, while losing Bosnia and Croatia, with a slight chance of winning and uniting with Republika Srpska

[@Juan-qu4oj]

Maybe the Yugoslav wars ignite a Second Cold War

[@fiatlux4058]

Ussr was in stagnation long before Gorbachev. It was already doomed in the 70s

[@kluimandorinetz9505]

Well,I suppose i want live in this version of USSR.Because why not

[@Fidelcashflow52]

broke: communism sunk the USSR’s economy woke: the USSR was never communist

[@imspring6516]

How did socialism sink the economy? It got bad after gorby intoduced the market economy

[@coolthief8375]

@@imspring6516 This is the most ignorant thing I’ve read all day. Before Gorbachev the USSR was in a long period of deficit from their enormous military spending. Gorbachev with his reforms prolonged the USSR’s existence with a few years and even could’ve kept the union if Yeltsin didn’t pressure him.

[@williamadamou5096]

@@imspring6516 This is utterly incorrect and you're spreading false information. The Economy was in a tailspin before Gorby, it was just ignored. Once he tackled the issue it became obvious. He actually improved the economy and the USSR was on the path to recovery before it's collapse.

[@ОлегОленев-я3о]

@@imspring6516 The Economy was most heavily damaged by the rapid and nepotistic privatization under Yeltsin during the 1990's when massive amounts of formerly state owned resources were pilfered by private individuals (most of who were friends of Yeltsin) and hidden in international accounts. This happened because after the collapse the State became just as weak as it was corrupt and the Russian people didn't yet know how this liberalization would destroy them so the State embraced the Washington standard(something that only helps American interests) rather than actually tailoring an economy to the needs of Russia.

[@imspring6516]

@@williamadamou5096 In 1985 the ussr was no where near colapse

[@Communist1945.]

I think the USS would prevent the fall of Yugoslavia and it would have a massive sphere of influence in Africa, the Middle East and the United Yugoslavia

[@carsoncloud1858]

Do a what if the western Roman Empire survived and the Eastern empire of Byzantine collapsed.

[@Zim612]

That would be kind of cool. I would think a greater Persia and weaker Germania if that were the case.

[@ivokantarski6220]

@@Zim612 the Islamic world would be deep in europe. Just common sense. The East Empire was a buffer for freakin millennia. Geographically it would be easier for the caliphate to expand from east. The coast of Afrika has smaller transportation ability for huge armies. South east Europe is different.

[@Zim612]

@@ivokantarski6220 I see

[@moistness482]

1:11 Akshually, Kazakhstan remained in the USSR till the end, being the last one to leave it

[@indoroyale7848]

Kazakhstan is like that one kid who would stay in the meet even after the teacher left

[@MotionSickness17]

1:10, This timeline is not accurate, Kazakstan left The USSR last

[@youtubetroller2451]

It would be the Union of Soviet Capitalist republics (USCR)

[@EdenElectorate]

While normally I don't like it when channels randomly change integral parts of their identify I perfer this voice. More soft spoken and easy to listen to in my opinion.

[@DylonBridson]

1:31 well, that part aged like milk

[@texaspatriot2038]

Golden Circle timeline remake?

[@GhostOfKotori]

If it did then maybe the actual Soviet Union would still be here

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Yes. That’s true. It should’ve gone with how China transitioned it’s economy and the results are where we are now in the world economy.

[@WTFCDFoxy]

Fun fact: it actually began slowly abandoning socialism after the death of Stalin. (That's why it collapsed)

[@redterrorproductions1373]

It was dissolved, not collapsed.

[@WTFCDFoxy]

@@redterrorproductions1373 indeed

[@WTFCDFoxy]

@Bruno Pereira it's a fact that Marxist revisionism began in the Soviet Union, as a result its weakening and sino-Soviet split.

[@Vitorruy1]

Where can I read more about that?

[@bluewatson4341]

My boy is moving up in the world

[@lucasthecreator]

One problem: Ukraine did not want The union, but they still signed the treaty. Btw. You forgot about The Chechens and Tajik Civil War.

[@lucasthecreator]

The people wanted it, NOT The government. By August, eight of the nine republics, except Ukraine, approved the draft of the new Treaty with some conditions. Ukraine did not agree on the terms of the Treaty.

[@freedomstar3930]

Neatling gonna get a lot of views and subscribers.

[@Astai]

When Putin see's this: *HMMMMMMMMMMM*

[@wyqtor]

Putin like: Better late than never!

[@lightfallonthehead3842]

0:11 australia? that doesnot exist! new zealend breathing down my neck.

[@itsohaya4096]

It would've been interesting to see them transition into a more libertarian, but still socialist state.

[@Vitorruy1]

China 2

[@ptasznik5973]

Double cancer wow

[@darrinwebber4077]

If history has shown us anything... It is that events and human reactions are unpredictable. While I like your videos.. I often see things I would disagree with. But I think some of your flags are very well designed.

[@zenith6939]

Rest In Peace, Mikhail Gorbachev.

[@breachstudios9511]

Do one where Greece joined either the Central Powers or Axis

[@carterbentonjr399]

That would be something. Then in turn Bulgaria joins the allies. Twice.

[@thorshammer7883]

Is it me or is your voice different from two years ago or something? Because whenever I watched the older videos like What if Cthulhu was real or when I remembered the deleted What if Rapture was real the voice was quite different. What happened?

[@gufosufo337]

If i read the comments correctly this a new narrator

[@Amokra]

that map at the end looks a lot like how it was described in 1984 :)

[@leavit2levi432]

I was so confused at first when he started talking lmfao

[@KuroshiKun]

When I first heard this I thought Cody from alternate history hub finally stopped his side gig as Mr. Z and the mantle passed to another dude lol

[@Liam-iv7wk]

Between potential civil war in America and civil strife in China from the three gorges, flooding, and growing tensions Russia may have a unique opportunity to make big moves like annexing part or all of Ukraine, annexing Georgia, getting involved in a potential greco-turkish war, and reintegration of Belarus.

[@carterbentonjr399]

But also discontent could flare up with Putin again and he would have to put down a potential rebellion before he could expand further. That and Iran imploding would further destroy his plans to restore the Russian Empire and to become Czar or Tsar of all the Russias.

[@rglvictor4960]

Finland joining NATO is not much of an option for itself regardless of Russia's neighbors being attacked (directly or by proxy), it won its independence at the cost of being an Soviet-appeasing buffer state thus sparing itself from an invasion and becoming a Soviet republic. Also the main reason Sweden didn't join NATO is there's an independent Finland.

[@mageaccelerator1200]

Video Idea:What if Jordan became communist?

[@gerardoduran8048]

i just notice that this was on the monsieur channel and i wasnt watching another random chanell

[@GodzillaDestruction-xz3wr]

Putin see this Putin: Your a Genius this is my new plan Now

[@naruck15]

I like this new voice

[@kfp9923]

1:39 Not such a bad fate if it means becoming a waifu

[@ladahieno2382]

YEEES, IT'S MY FAVOURITE NEATLING ON MONSIEUR Z CHANNEL!!!!

[@taufiqutomo]

What if decolonization happened after the end of The Great War?

[@HobNob-tr1nm]

You did get 1 thing wrong, the Soviet republics did not "leave Russia behind". Russia, like the rest, succeeded from the Soviet Union and declared independence. Infact the last republic to succeed was Kazakhstan so you could argue that the rest of the republics left Kazakhstan behind, not Russia.

[@laserdiscisawesome1263]

Global trade isn’t Chinese Centric? Why didn’t we have this time line

[@eganplaysMC]

Russia doesn't have the population to compete with China's economy.

[@SosInChess]

I still want an alternate history: what if Japan joined Central Powers?

[@SosInChess]

@@EdgyBushMan Maybe they would have had more hostilities with Russia and the idea of a fully kicking them out of the way in order to completly conquer the Far Eastern lands. Maybe even JP may not join CP AND declare neutrality to Entente countries and just fight off Russians. What do you think?

[@SosInChess]

@@EdgyBushMan Yeah, but I think Britain will probably try to not to interveine into this: They were really pissed when they were kept off Afhgan lands and they even helped Japan in a Russo-Japanese war. But French would definetly resist this invasion at all costs! On one hand, this might worsen the relationship between UK and France (they never were true allies anyway, and they only united to fight off Germans), maybe even causing UK to leave Entente (but that seems like a bit of an overkill to me). But if this happens, US may join the war early, since France would desperatly seek for any help it could find. And with US joining the war, this could go either way. No matter the outcome, it would be worse for the Russians. At last, we can agree on a fact that this is an ultra intresting scenario that needs an absolute deep breakdown which may take multiple hours of talk, if not even a small series of videos, just like "Would SU win against German Reich with no land-lease?" or "What happened during SU breakdown?"

[@mathieuleader8601]

what if Prince Albert Victor became king instead of George V

[@elperrodelautumo7511]

Truly had the ussr left state wide communism and embraced some state sponsored capitalism and some bit of corporatism, the USSR would survive to the present day.

[@herrderr1921]

Who's the guy talking,knock off mr Z

[@TalicFIN]

Correction on Finland joining Nato, if Finland joins, Sweden joins too. If one won't join, the other won't join either. It's a package deal.

[@carterbentonjr399]

That would have really helmed in the USS navaly in the Baltic Sea

[@vlversus]

I would like to add, that the former Soviet republic were not neglected, the ussr developed those republics at it's own cost, this improve their, living standards. The reason they wanted to leave is because they thought that they would be better off without the ussr, they were (mostly) wrong.

[@vlversus]

@The Yangem the coup happened, because they thought that they were better off without the ussr, and when the coup was a success they saw it as a sign of them being better off independent. Also important to note, not all republics had a coup.

[@andreialexandrunichiforel]

you are right, Moscow didn't abuse the puppet republics, it abused everyone, equally

[@vlversus]

@@andreialexandrunichiforel I was mostly talking about the former soviet republic, which were not abused but mostly helped. This is different in the Warsaw pack as in there communism was held by force.

[@andreialexandrunichiforel]

@@vlversus the puppet republics as in the socialist republics under Moscow, which btw also imposed communism by force in all conquered territories after WW2. Also, take your soviet help and shove it real far up your ass, go tell the poorest country in Europe, Moldova about how much the Russian helped them. Killing, enslaving and displacing hundreds of thousands. Tell that to the Ukrainians, who suffered the worst nuclear accident in history because of Moscow's zero tolerance to criticism, Chernobyl was a time bomb and most educated physicists knew. Too bad they risked being purged if they spoke out against the politburo. That is not even mentioning all the absolutely perverted atrocities committed in the name of communism in eastern Europe.

[@vlversus]

@@andreialexandrunichiforel ... those countries are so poor because they left the ussr (for Moldova) and for Ukraine, it is poor because of a civil war. The ussr used so many resources on it new territory that they had better living stands then in the main land russia. There were many nuclear accidents in history, the one in Ukraine is the worst but it is not like the ussr did it on purpose. Also please stop trying to mix the Warsaw pact and the former Soviet republics. Those are different. My comments are on the former Soviet republics.

[@oooshafiqooo]

1:18 mr Z please update this video