Mitre Saw Wobble Diagnosis

[@thomasdolby8929]

I’ll start by thanking you!! I followed your video step by step to determine that the inner washer was in fact the reason for the wobble in my blade. I have a Dewalt service center near me and when I called, they tried their best to have me take my saw to them and have it serviced. However, I purchased the inner washer and the blade guide. Total cost $8.31. My saw runs like new. Thank you for your step by step diagnosis and saving me allot of money.

[@SoatMon]

That's awesome!! Thank you for taking the time to tell me!

[@joek128]

Thanks! Easiest diagnoses I've ever found. I had the same thing happen as you, the blade spun and then I had this horrible wobble. I broke out the manual and that was zero help. Found your video and was able to just measure the bushing with my micrometer and found it off several thousandths. I ordered new a new bushing and boom! Thanks again for the great video.

[@waynemiller6070]

Very systematic. I'm glad you had a new bushing so we weren't left wondering. And then the additional information of what would be your next tests. The importance of proper tool maintenance cannot be over emphasized. Thanks for the detailed diagnosis and documentation.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome! Thank you for the comment!

[@jppotgieter3600]

Aint gonna work for long. Replace with new blade , probly you back and step 1

[@relikvija]

Forget about the blade, I should use your diagnostic system for my life!

[@SoatMon]

Lol!

[@robertomedina1760]

Thanks for sharing i have the same problem whit the Metabo 12" it just came today 😢

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@middleagedpunk8923]

Thank you! I had adopted my usual tendency to over complicate things with my very slightly wobbly table saw blade issue until I found this video. Thankfully, I didn't need the diagnostics as you'd petty much already done it for me and it turned out that all I needed to do was remove the bushings, clean them up on a 2000 grit diamond stone which removed the very tiniest of burrs and now the blade is back running like a dream.

[@SoatMon]

Glad I could help!

[@ricHard.18]

i have seen your video before and lost it. you have the only video that explains this in detail. thanks a lot. Time to check out my bushing. thanks again

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@corujariousa]

Today my miter saw showed the same problem. You have just saved me from buying a new one. The washer will be much cheaper for sure. Thanks a lot.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome. Thanks for letting me know it helped you.

[@DavidEricPrates]

You helped me solve a long and on going problem. My dewalt saw had the very same problem and now I was able to fix it! Thanks!

[@SoatMon]

Awesome. Thanks for letting me know.

[@DavidEricPrates]

Yes sir! By the way, I subscribed. I hope I can earn yours too! :)

[@leom3436]

That's very nice of you to share this diagnostic. You can also use a threaded rod and screws it into the harbor. And you will see how much bed your bushings are

[@SoatMon]

Thanks!

[@dogsbd]

I've not even checked mine yet, headed to the shop next, but this is excellent and very helpful info!

[@SoatMon]

Thanks!

[@matthewsolis247]

Excellent video! Great job of explaining in detail each step with quality video angle to suit! I'm having the same issue now and was ready to chalk it up to the arbor bearing! Hopefully its just the arbor bushing! Thank you.

[@SoatMon]

I had the same thinking, that my bearing was out. Hope this helps you. Thanks for watching!

[@ytsanoj]

I messed with my saw for about two hours today before I decided my new blade was garbage. I bet this is the issue. Very helpful.

[@SoatMon]

I'm glad it helped you. Thanks for watching!

[@christianandersen7458]

Very methodical and enlightning. Thank you sir. One variable at a time to deduce the cause.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome, thanks for letting me know it was helpful!

[@THEZEKER1964]

Awesome, absolutely awesome. My blade has a slight wobble. I will use this to diagnose the problem. Had a kickback on my dewalt slider and it has not been cutting straight since.

[@SoatMon]

Good luck! I hope you get it fixed.

[@RobertClark11]

Great video. Found just as I really needed it. Thanks!

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@Don1atUTube]

I tried this and it worked, saved me changing the drive gears and bearing which I was going to do. Saved money and time. Cheers.

[@SoatMon]

Awesome, glad it helped you!

[@daveandden]

Great video, im going to try this in the morning, thank you

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@VansWorld]

Awesome video. Thank you

[@SoatMon]

Glad you liked it!

[@ealdydar]

even if your saw and blade are new you should position your blade with the least amount of run out. Most people with just put a blade on and go. all saws and blade combo have runout and you can minimize it by finding the best postion for the blade and bushing.

[@shawndinterman2219]

I really appreciate the video, really just made my trim job go alot easier and nicer looking

[@SoatMon]

Awesome, thanks for letting me know!

[@dominikfratczak8710]

Nice one. Appreciate time and effort you put in this

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@cherylm2C6671]

Thanks for that explanation and your video. That means a blade wobble also points to braking as a safety issue. You can also put the two washer plates face to face and hold them up to light. Slowly twist one of them.

[@Jamescharles2k11]

Hello, are you able to tell me if the blade would wobble like this with the blade at full speed? Thank you!

[@agustinbarcelo9653]

Thank you very much. You help me a lot.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@williammagarian3712]

very interesting video. ordered the new bushing and my problem still persists. what were you going to check next? any ideas on how to go about this?

[@SoatMon]

I would probably replace the bearings. Also make sure it's not your blade.

[@williammagarian3712]

@@SoatMon I guess I'm onto the bearings. The bushing didn't help and I've put 4 new blades on it known to be true and the wobble still persists in a very similar fashion.

[@geoffcrabtree657]

My DW708 has the same issue but is not the bush, the bearing behind the bush has a lot of play in it so new bearing ordered. I hope I can get the old one out without damaging the housing otherwise I’m screwed as the housing is obsolete.

[@bonnie3764]

Thanks for the video! I have a 10” craftsman and both bushings were identical. I was able to put the back bushing in front and move the front to the back. Problem solved!

[@SoatMon]

Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@larrymunday7519]

I just grabbed a DW716 at work that was being thrown out because of blade wobble. I removed the arbor washer that you replaced and put it on the lathe. I measured .004 run out on the small diameter register. I took a carbide lathe tool and cut the .004 thousandths off of it. It runs very true now.

[@SoatMon]

Awesome. Those saws sell for about $400. Congrats!

[@troymcarthur4720]

Thank you!! this fixed my saw

[@SoatMon]

Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@SWANNB02]

Thanks - saved me a lot of time.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@michaelobryant3505]

Thanks! This was exactly my problem.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@grammarnazi9456]

My left ear really enjoyed the video.

[@SoatMon]

LOL

[@robertkat]

I am getting a hearing aid.

[@ApprenticeGM]

This type of video does not require stereo . . . so be appreciative for the good content, not nit-picking over something that doesn't matter.

[@mardakworkshop4450]

thanks man big help ❤️❤️❤️❤️👌👌👌👌👌

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@walluhwoodwork]

thank you sir very helpful... so I can fix my tablesaw

[@SoatMon]

You are most welcome

[@alank3962]

I have a Ridgid R4221 that I just setup (a gift from several months ago that I finally unboxed because of a couple issues with my DeWalt 10") and discovered the wobble issue the moment I switched it on... huge disappointment for an otherwise superb product. I just found your video and had surmised the saw's wobble issue may be either a harmonically induced problem or perhaps could be a blade balance issue (not too likely) but trying to be open minded to all possible sources which I surmised could be drive train induced be either motor bearings and/or bushings due to the worm type transmission of power to turn the blade. So, watching your well done trouble shooting process makes me all the more inclined to believe it to be the later sources which I suppose could be a cause of harmonic vibration as well but a $5 bushing is a pretty cheap place to start if Ridgid kicks my claim due to being a gift and not having a receipt to register it for their LSA warranty. I'll try. We'll see. So, where do I purchase a 1" arbor bushing these days... for Ridgid? Also, I've wondered if putting a 1" rubber shim washer on each side of the blade might serve to dampen the vibration? Your input, plz.

[@krisbrown2460]

Thanks for the vid my left ear learned alot 🤣

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome!

[@jackrogan7051]

Very helpful! I will be diagnosing my Makita LS1016L this weekend...hoping I can find a similar easy-fix

[@SoatMon]

I'm glad it was helpful. Good luck. Thanks for watching!

[@rafaramirez5875]

Thank you for the video sir have the same problem in my miter saw .. thanks

[@SoatMon]

You are welcome

[@Bigshoots86]

I can't figure the problem I have out. I have a ls1013 makita, when I let go of the trigger the saw doesn't brake and it sounds like metal grinding, not a squeel but like it's a metal moving part skipping and grinding on something else while it winds down. I haven't found anything at all like this on the KZbin. The gear inside the housing is a little worn (it has a lot of miles on it though) but besides that everything looks fine. Would a new switch fix this by fixing the brake.?

[@robertomedina1760]

@@Bigshoots86 may be you need to see the brushes

[@augustopizarro6823]

Nice. I will test with a new blade and if the wobble persist I will check the bushing.

[@SoatMon]

Good luck Augusto!

[@mtrabanino]

Tk -you... !!! You video helpme to save big money

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@kenpuizumi]

Awesome work! I am new to this and the tools associated with wood working. Been a mechanic for years and frankly grew tired of it. Just bought a Rigid r4221 if I am not mistaken and a common complaint is blade wobble. Hopefully mine is minimal or nonexistent.

[@SoatMon]

Good luck with your saw and thanks for watching!

[@gregre052]

I love it. Just bought the same model! My first one. Taking a break before going back downstairs to finish set up.

[@earljohnson7675]

So what was you doing to lose the finger

[@woodprojectswithalex2692]

Thank you very much. It was a very helpful video.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome, thanks for letting me know.

[@pancake_crab4457]

Friendly observation: if you have an indicator using it would make it easier to find the high and low points of the wobble. But, it also might trigger your perfectionism as you try to fix all sources of wobble in your saw (I'd get stuck doing that if I didn't catch myself). Anyway, great video. Unfortunately my saw has wobbles for a different more structural reason. But this is great info to know if something like this ever happens to me.

[@SoatMon]

Thanks! I hope you get yours sorted out.

[@TheDudeAbides-247]

Great tutorial, thank you!. If the bushing is the most common cause of wobble, could you start your diagnosis there and save a couple iterations of taking the blade off and on?

[@SoatMon]

I'm sure you could. Thanks for the replay.

[@elliottrichardson1824]

I just replaced my blade and it started wobbling. Well, watching your video I realised I was missing the washer that sits on top of the bushing. Popped a new washer on and it's back in service.

[@SoatMon]

Awesome! Thanks for letting me know!

[@paulcastro1361]

Hi. Thanks for sharing your video and being able to help so many of us watchers. Please see if you could help me too. I'm in the process of acquiring a Dewalt DWS709 15 Amp 12 in. Slide Compound Miter Saw that according to the manual, the saw comes with 5/8" arbor on it. Then I have to replace the blade for a Freud, like the one on your saw, but I don't know if the bushing is supplied since these Freud blades come with 1" holes on them. Therefore, my question is if your saw has the same characteristics as mine (5/8" arbor) and requires a bushing to install the new blade, or the factory blade has a 1" hole and the bushing comes with the machine already? Also, since this seems like a persistent problem with this bushings; would you please include the store's name or link where to purchase it? I"ve tried to locate it and only find one place but they want $19 for it plus S/H. Please help me with this issue? Thanks.

[@chrislee8025]

Thanks!👍👍 Hopefully it's just the bushing on mine also....

[@SoatMon]

Good luck. I hope that fixes it!

[@ritetrac777]

Thanks for this! Extremely helpful. Where did you order yours from?

[@SoatMon]

ereplacementsparts.com

[@hphillips7425]

Good video and good troubleshooting. I ordered my first miter saw and it is coming tomorrow. Do all the miter saws have left handed blade bolts

[@SoatMon]

I don't know about all of them but all the ones I have used do.

[@Gadgetmawombo]

Don’t most spinning saws in general have that? I think it’s so the blade doesn’t spin itself loose.

[@yoruhana190]

No safeguard you are my hero.

[@SoatMon]

LOL

[@jeztaylor6308]

Jeeez, that's brilliant, how long did it take you to figure it out? My Makita has a blade wobble, thought it was because the blade was pretty old but I'll do this test at the weekend, hopefully they're all made pretty similar with washers!!! Cheers for info 👍

[@SoatMon]

Hope you get your saw figured out, good luck.

[@1AFVeteran]

It still looked like you had a very slight wobble after you put on the new bushing. When you turned the blade a small gap appeared and then went away, so you still had a slight problem. It also looked like you lost the end of your index finger on your left hand, miter saw injury or table saw? Ouch! Sorry you lost that part of your finger. Thanks for the video.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome. Tablesaw about 30 years ago. :)

[@carlossaenz4075]

I just bought a Dws779 double bevel sliding compound miter saw. Which gives me two cuts when set too 45 degrees to cut molding. It gives me the 45 and also give me 15 to 20 degree cut. Does not cut straight.

[@SoatMon]

I believe the manual shows you how to set it up to make a straight cut. Maybe you can find a copy of it online.

[@kmwrites7456]

Very helpful, thank you.

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome, I'm glad it was useful to you.

[@mordyfisher4269]

This was great i couldnt figure out why my saw was out of tune from the left side only... Because of a 16th of wobble from a dirty bushing... Also i have the same saw and i sprayed three coats of leak seal on the underside and arm and then filled all the gaps with spray foam, then worked all the extra foam smooth, thenn another three coats of leak seal... My saw is so quiet now its unreal, plus it doesnt get full of dust

[@SoatMon]

Glad it helped!

[@nhguavhayzajerutas703]

great job..... many frea the wobble.... but i think u gave hope.... to the eobble generation.... !

[@SoatMon]

Good luck. Thanks for watching!

[@renobtankit6019]

great video, thanks!

[@SoatMon]

Thanks!

[@tribulationprepper787]

Sooooo... What in the world caused that old bushing to wear so drastically? Was the saw run for awhile without adequately tightening the blade? OR Is this just what happens over time with use?

[@SoatMon]

Not sure how it happened. Like you said I probably spun the blade at some point and malformed it.

[@tribulationprepper787]

@@SoatMon Good for a new video named "Be Sure To Tighten Your Saw Blades". Take care you fellow saw owner.

[@johnbravo7542]

very interesting,thank you

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@georgemedina3712]

Hey I just picked up similar saw ..doesn't have the small lil washer that sits on the arbor ..is that necessary?

[@michaelmisczuk7570]

Very

[@johncrawford7169]

Great video, I just got a dewalt 713 and it does not cut true, meaning making a simple cut at 45 deg, when looking at the cut it's not straight.

[@johncrawford7169]

+Soat Mon Had to return a dewal 713, left base area machined too far down, then had to return the battery version saw, bolt almost frozen on guard, 3rd unit also dewalt's new battery powered miter, spot on, except fence is a little off.

[@carlossaenz4075]

That is the same problem I an having. Just bought a dws779 miter double beve slidingl compound saw a week ago. I set it 45 degrees but the cut is not straight. It gives me a compound cut, 45 degrees plus a 15 degrees off from straight.

[@carlossaenz4075]

This is a new saw, should not have these problem with it. But I guess , I have not been the only person to have problems with their saw. Dewalt. Now I did align the blade as the manual said and as all the u tube videos said. Plus changed the blade. I also lost job to do molding because of the saw and the timing to Finnish the job. Wasted time trying to find out what was wrong with the saw. Three days. I just return it for refund. What piece of junk

[@markspears1167]

I have had small pieces of molding, after I cut them to fall back into the teeth of the blade and then get caught. How common is it to actually ever so slightly knock the blade out of balance? I only use full kerf 1/8” thick Freud blades.

[@SoatMon]

I have never really had that issue. I've had some get out of balance because the lost a tooth but I don't recall anything else.

[@eln74]

Tnx for sharing this vital info, tnx bro!!

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome. Glad to help. Thanks for watching!

[@peterwright5249]

Great video an well done with ya investigative persistence, but with today’s precise technology an engineering you would have thought this wouldent happen with this sort of tools , the cheepie ones ye maybe but not the high end market like dewalt, makita an so on , thumbs up to ya thoe mate 👍

[@SoatMon]

Thanks! I agree, you would think these kind of things wouldn't be a problem. My son is about to graduate from engineering school and talks about how they engineer into the product how long they want it to work before it fails so you will have to buy a new one at some point. Kind of frustrating they plan for failure. Thanks for your comment!

[@karlaelvis9815]

My lock pin to lock my saw blade down appears to be broken... this was my husband's saw - he passed away and now it is mine. He was not proactive regarding "tool maintenance" so I am left to figure things out. The blade is currently in the "locked down" position and I cannot get it unlocked so that I can use the saw - any suggestions? Thank you.

[@SoatMon]

The pin should just pull out. Try pushing down on the saw handle and pull out on the pin. Good luck!

[@karlaelvis9815]

A little penetrating spray loosened the pin up and I was able to pull it out; changed the blade and I'm sawing up my firewood - thanks to all for theses very helpful videos!

[@muneer24]

thank you

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome!

[@gerbdj1570]

I went through all the steps explained in this video (great video btw.) But on mine the X continues to be the closest to the piece of wood , no matter which way i turn the flange, bought a new flange(original makita part) but same problem Can somebody give me advice as to how i should fix this? Its a makita LS1216 thanks

[@SoatMon]

The only thing I can think of is to make sure your blade isn't bent. Put on a new blade and check it. If that doesn't fix it try tightening it up without the washer, it could also be bent. Good luck!!

[@bigheartmovers7514]

Soat Mon could you make a video of how to test the arbor for a faulty bearing

[@herbsu4330]

Where did you get the part?

[@SoatMon]

I got it from an online parts supplier. If you search the model number and make of your saw with the word parts, you should find a diagram that will show you the part you are looking for. Sears has a website with a lot of part diagrams. I rarely buy from there but have used them to find part numbers. Good luck on your repair. Thanks for watching!

[@5moonunit]

Good video. I think it's funny you talking blades on saw and your missing a finger lol.

[@SoatMon]

Thanks! That missing finger gets a lot of attention.

[@carlossaenz4075]

Yes I did try the manual plus the u tube videos. Did not work. Plus the blade change. Dewalt double bevel compound miter saw. Brand new , wasted 3 days trying to find out what was wrong. Lost a small Job to install molding . Cause of the piece of junk saw. I ended returning the saw for a refund. But lost on the other parts I bought for it. In trying fix what should of been right from the start.

[@oswaldoperaza7121]

I HAVE DIRT IN THE BUSHIG SO I JUST HAD TO CLEAN IT UP THANKS A LOT

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome!

[@wvhlblynuffsaid7449]

Thank you sir. I was about to trash my saw...

[@SoatMon]

Your welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@diogeneselcinico8264]

Not sure if i want to take advices on saws blades from a guy missing a finger! I’m just kidding!..... thanks for the advice mate!

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@i.manfreeman9701]

Basically change the washer.

[@Carl-LaFong1618]

my dewalt slider won't rotate all the way to 45 degrees. I slid the fence out of the way too. doesn't appear to be hitting anything. any ideas??

[@SoatMon]

Not sure, I would just look to see what it is hitting when you try to rotate it. Something has to be stopping it. Sorry I was not more help.

[@TheLostBrain]

Stop nut out of adjustment? Some miters will only rotate 45 in one direction..and do less in the other, maybe this?

[@butterfinger1171]

Had a bad bushing right out of the box

[@Heisenbrick]

Mine wasn't as bad as yours, but it was the bushing just like yours,,,, sigh of relief!

[@SoatMon]

Glad you figured it out, thanks for watching!

[@golfer963]

Here is how you can fix that problem HERCULES 12 In. Dual-Bevel Sliding Compound Miter Saw With Precision LED Shadow Guide

[@garybrown9719]

I have all dewalt but I will not be buy there miter saw probably makita

[@jayshreve4567]

Looks like someone is missing a finger tip. That had to hurt.

[@jddeefo1022]

See'in that finger of yours I bet you got it unplugged. Every good carpenter has at least part of a digit gone. Be safe everybody.

[@SoatMon]

Thanks Bob!

[@mahendralondhe9888]

Short information

[@riverbuilder2251]

It’s not a bushing though, it’s a collar. Why did he waste all that time placing x and turning the blade and whatever. Yet another video showing that dewalt is rubbish.

[@Wilett614]

The Problem stems from ALL Imported/ Chinese manufactured tools , That their QUALITY CONTROL is NOT like AMERICAN made products . AND their Materials are of NON Virgin Manufacture. Ive seen this problem Grow over the decades in the Machining industry I have worked in over 50 Years . Asian quality Control has improved some , but No where Near what it needs to be . That Washer (Bushing) he replaced was most likely "stamped" NOT Machined during Manufacturing . And Or was never inspected for Quality Assurance. Old saying IS YOU GET what YOU PAY FOR .... Enjoy ! Glad you were able to Find the Culprit : )

[@SoatMon]

Thanks for sharing your experience Walter!

[@Pjp43]

STOP MOVING YOUR REFRENCE WOOD!

[@oby-1607]

So, spend a little more and get a Bosch and avoid all of these problems.

[@snakefinger]

Thank champ ! OUCH ! The finger.

[@SoatMon]

You're welcome!

[@renobtankit6019]

great video, thanks!