Mizuno JPX923 Forged vs Ping i230 Forgiveness Review

[@dhtmo]

Jay, the real winner is us, the consumer. Both are excellent irons.

[@MrKram1337]

I’ve been waiting for this video! Haven’t even watched it and commenting! Let’s goooo!

[@AskGolfNut]

Absolutely wins the first comment award 😀

[@paulbexon7633]

Just ordered the Mizuno jpg forged irons. Had a custom fitting with no bias to any clubs and it came down to these two. I just felt my not so good hits were more forgiving in the mizunos. Plus I liked the look of them better. Both did the same project x 1O shaft. Can’t wait to get them. Also ordered the S23 wedges 😊

[@michaelellington8627]

Another great video Jay! Just a request; would love to see a comparison with the T100S vs. JPX 923 Forged and/or vs. 223 since these are targeted to similar golfer profiles and customer base.

[@neilshayler3119]

I switched from Jpx921 forged to the i230 and given its still rubbish weather h/c dropped 14-12, Ping have made a cracking iron in the i230 and id highly recommend them. great comparison though jay

[@erik2446]

This, like the other comparison videos, is very educational and very informative about the characteristics of each iron. Great compliment to the individual reviews of each iron because it highlights the differentiating characteristics of each iron.

[@paulwilson774]

Great video. So much better than most other KZbinrs reviews. The real take away for this video is the information regarding the forgiveness and where of the face. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone else give us the micro information regarding this. Simple idea Jay, but a fitting changer. Never been to a fitting where the fitter has been able to give face location forgiveness. (I go to fittings about 4 times a year just because🤪) keep up the quality your delivering

[@AskGolfNut]

Most other KZbinrs reviews??? 😮😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Glad you enjoyed the video Paul, and thank you for the kind feedback 👍

[@paulwilson774]

@@AskGolfNut 😄🤣 Well I say most, because I’m not sure if TXG or Golftec have reviewed forgiveness related to face strike locations 🤔 if they haven’t then I’m happy to go all out and say you ARE much better than all the other youtube reviewers 🤪🤣

[@AskGolfNut]

I absolutely 100% agree 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁👍

[@colvillesfinest5761]

I did a fitting last week with no bias towards any brand. I tried Ping I230, Taylormade 770,790, Titelist 100,150,200, Callaway and Mizuno. I actually preferred the feel, look and consistency of the Mizuno 923. They also carry very far

[@stuartbarclay1134]

Nice review, just fitted for the i230 as better numbers for my swing than the forged, heart wanted the 223 though. New sub👍

[@davidm7031]

Well done on the dynamic loft matching so you can actually see the ball speed differences 👍🏻

[@JoeyLeclerc]

Thumbs up from me as well. Delivering the same loft with a 3 degree gap in static loft deserves some respect for sure!

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks Joey, takes a lot of practice but allows a good evaluation between clubs, then being able to see what face technologies brings and differences or not 👍

[@mbrait2]

Love these reviews. Love Mizuno. Patiently waiting for my 923 Forged to come in! Hopefully 🙏 only a couple more days!

[@bmurray330]

You will like your JPX 923 forged irons. I just got mine a few weeks ago and LOVE them! And this is from a guy who has played Pings for over 40 years.

[@paulbexon7633]

Me too 🤝

[@martinsreef9413]

Another informative Video Jay I'm liking the Ping. would be interested at lower club speed testing to see how my Stealth 7 measures up to it. also my clubs are not fitted so getting a set fitted would help in my practicing shame you can't get fitted for clubs after you buy them regular standard. Thanks for your in depth review

[@WonbinYoo-mn2cq]

Can you compare ‘Mizuno Pro Fli hi’ vs ‘Mizuno Pro 225’ or ‘Jpx 923 HL’ for long irons?

[@randymahony8157]

Love your honesty, Jay. Good video.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thanks very much for kind feedback, glad you enjoyed the video 👍

[@mujarice]

I'm heavily considering the i230 this year. Playing mp18 blades now with 10 rounds of golf the last 2 years (kids) and not hitting the middle as often. Thanks for the vid

[@thisjustanother]

ive been playing MP4 for about a year when i got them used. love the MP4s, but the I230s definitely look amazing.

[@raginasianinvasion]

Love your reviews, by far the best on youtube, nobody else does the forgiveness testing like you do and I can speak for everyone here by saying thank you.

[@AskGolfNut]

Thank you very much Mike, very much appreciate your kind feedback. Its support like that that makes all the hard work worthwhile 👍

[@drumcatnau]

A correction about the 3-5 iron. The 210 used to make the long irons wider. 230 are still progressive, they're still larger than the mid-shorts, but they are not *smaller* than the mid- and short-irons. They're still slightly larger.

[@AskGolfNut]

That's very true....... But they look tiny being that far away with the longer shaft 😊😊😊😊

[@robertbencangey6207]

Great club review. Similar tech with a thinner face in the Forged for more ball speed. I too prefer the looks and feel of the i230, but went with the Forged for the extra speed in the mid irons. 8 down are pure Mizuno sweetness

[@JorgeMorales-do5pr]

Great review like always. Looking in your reviews where 225 pro is lightly better than 923 forged, that’s mean 225 can be better than i230? I would like read your comments about it, because can’t find any reviews compared this 2 clubs

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Jorge, different club designs different lofts so wouldn't commonly be compared. I525 and 225 and then say i230 and 223 or Tour normally 👍

[@slytown]

Do you find the Ping workable? My concern is the forgiveness in these clubs make it too difficult to hit subtle draws and fades. Seems like if you want any workability you need to go JPX tour or Ping i59 if you don't want the tiny heads of the MB series or Ping blueprints.

[@AskGolfNut]

I'm doing a video very soon on this very topic which you will find interesting and answer this question in detail 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jesscollinson6720]

Hey Jay, another good one I was waiting to see. I do need a little for distance now that I'm a little older :(. But, I still want consistancy in distance and dispersion control. Is the 923 good in these two points? Thanks Mate coming from your Yank follower

[@AskGolfNut]

HI Jess, lovely to here from you. The Forged absolutely is spot on for gapping consistency. The graduation in tech from Chromoly to 1025E in the 7 iron to 8 iron is loft specific so you won't see a difference in gapping 👍

[@chook3240]

Would love to see a srixon zx7 comparison or review from you Jay

[@AskGolfNut]

Hi Chook, still trying to get my hands on the Srixons 👍

[@danielkeeley203]

Thanks again for an excellent video. What differences relative to forgiveness (if any) would you expect from a power spec Ping i 230 7iron vs. standard loft?

[@lkae4]

Less bounce of the power spec is usually less forgiving. But if you're a sweeper, that shouldn't be a problem.

[@AskGolfNut]

KL is mainly correct, depending on delivery other than D Plane, no real difference. 👍

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

Hi Jay totally unrelated questions but was wondering if could give me some advice. I have a 5 iron at my top end of irons. In the woods apart from driver i have a Ping 5 and 7 wood in the g430. Does it warrant me getting a hybrid as they can be useful from slight rough whereas the fw can get caught in the grass. If so what loft i should consider and manufacturer?

[@AskGolfNut]

Are you intending on gapping the 5i or semi replacing it, or looking at something interchangeable with the 7 Wood? 👍

[@RajKumar-zm4ll]

I was going to keep the 5i and 7wood but wanted something that would be easier to hit out of the rough as iron tend to end caught on the grass and so was looking at potentially a hybrid. My clubhead speed with a driver is 85mph. In addition something i could use also of a muddy lie as you get this time of the year. Main emphasis being on ease of launch comparable with my speed. Thank you

[@justinhwang1153]

Love your videos, Do you think getting i230 power specs will add a bit more distance without sacrificing anything else compared to reg spec i230s? Or am I better off getting reg specs and club up when I need to? My current 7 iron is 31 degrees. Thank you!

[@AskGolfNut]

Power spec'ing the i230 may well compromise the peak height and descent angle slightly but depending on speeds and delivery it should be a problem 👍

[@justinhwang1153]

Thank you for answering my question. Appreciate it!!!

[@AskGolfNut]

You're very welcome, I try my hardest to answer as many comments as possible...... Even at 02:30 in the morning 😊

[@justinhwang1153]

@@AskGolfNut Thank you! I just ordered i230’s! Can’t wait to get them!

[@jackwest5295]

I,ve got the power spec and love them , super consistent..Black dot...

[@simrandhawan9084]

On your toe hit the comparison the dynamic loft with 923 was 25.4 and the similar hit with the 230 was 28.2, which is exactly the difference in the static loft. What I think might explain the efficiency diff, do you not take that into account?

[@AskGolfNut]

Simran, generally yes, absolutely. I have to balance every miss hit and the detailed information given so that it keeps it within a sensible timeframe. I'd love to talk about each delivery in detail but have to generalise over the entire dataset of miss hits and normal hits. One day I'd like to make a full on review where i can really delve into the differences.....It will be an hours worth, or even a live stream 😀

[@suprand]

Also. I230 has loads more bounce although mizuno says they ever so slightly increased the bounce in the new jpx line. Steeper swingers or softer turf conditions will likely benefit from i230

[@AskGolfNut]

For an amateur golfers point of view what you say above is absolutely correct, from a pros point of view, we always hit ball first so bounce makes little difference. But yes absolutely you are spot on for 99% of golfers 👍

[@JoeyLeclerc]

@@AskGolfNut So bending the 923 forged one degree weak wouldn't be such a bad thing bounce-wise right? At least for someone who sometimes hit turf then ball...

[@AskGolfNut]

Definitely in that case, adding either sole thickness or bounce when making iron choices would protect a small amount from less than favoured ground interactions 👍

[@joelane2845]

Jay, If you could do a forgiveness test with the 9 irons, which would win in your opinion? Thanks Joe😅 my

[@AskGolfNut]

Wow that would be a mammoth vid 😊

[@loganboyd]

I just got the 923 Forged and swing my 7 iron ~1mph less than you and I'm seeing about 165-168yd carries but I need to bring my launch angle down about 1-2º. I can barely get my older Ping i20 7i to carry 155 on a pure hit. Really liking the Mizunos

[@AskGolfNut]

Depending on your club head delivery, if there is a dynamic loft issue and it's very small you could get the clubs tweaked a touch to suit, but if the loft delivery is too big to control in loft adjustment then best option would be a lesson to understand where the launch angle is coming from 👍

[@loganboyd]

@@AskGolfNut lessons are on the agenda. I started playing 36 years ago but haven’t played much in the last decade. I forgot the club head dot stickers so I didn’t get dynamic loft readings but I know my swing enough to know I can improve in the compression at impact part. Haven’t been on the course yet with the JPX 923s but trying to figure out my gaps and distances with my new Bushnell Launch Pro.

[@elliot5529]

As a guy who misses low toe quite regularly. Jpx 923 forged were built for me

[@WernerBreyer]

Thanks for the Test. Great. Big informations for me. Well, the Ping 1230 have 18 Grooves, Mizuno JPX 923 forged have 12 grooves. What's the reason for the diffence and has this any effect for ballflight etc.´??

[@AskGolfNut]

Ping believe that the Micromax grooves are there for consistency of spin out of the multitude of conditions found when playing. Does it have any advantages or trajectory changes based on teh standard groove patter of the other..... no not really. I'm not saying it doesn't work, just that I haven't seen evidence of it in action that stands out amongst others 👍

[@WernerBreyer]

@@AskGolfNut Many Thanks for your assessment. Kind regards from Germany

[@lkae4]

Ping hit a home run with the i230. If I didn't just get ZX5/7 irons, I would get i230 in retro lofts for the extra bounce to the ounce.

[@AskGolfNut]

and you wouldn't have been wrong at all 😀

[@williamsawyer2223]

Thumbs up for the Zapp reference

[@ermangus]

I done a fitting last week with these two and the 223s. The i230s won out for me. I couldn't complain with well struck shots as they were basically the same. For my swing I got more forgiveness out of the toe (my miss) than the other two. The Cobra King Tour in this class is the best feeling IMO. Just not helpful slightly low.

[@lorimeyers3839]

Yea I have the 921 Forged and the slotted Chromoly 4-7 irons feel way springier, faster. More of a hollowish sound. They still feel good when you pop one, but the 1025E short irons feel very soft.

[@mikemcreynolds6236]

T 100s vs 923 forged

[@jhoppmann]

i230 vs 223 next?

[@AskGolfNut]

I could do Justin, although without giving the game away, the Forged is slightly hotter off the face than the 223, so there would be no real difference in distance other than the 1 degree loft, and the 223 with the copper underlay but Chromoly construction would put it on a par with the i230..... That result would be very very close 👍