I Tested Potted Plants Against Lab Plants! Here's What Happened

[@MJAquascaping]

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[@kevinborreman3564]

Can u maybe in u next experiment do clean up Crew vs no Clean up Crew ? Im curious how much impact those have on Algae Control

[@MrTomro]

great idea

[@droobs]

Great idea, would love to see this.

[@myfeedis]

its pretty obvious, aint it ?

[@QualiLap]

Yes!

[@RacecarsAndRicefish]

​@@myfeediswell there you have your hypothesis! then if we test it we can see to what degree it may be true

[@turtleman190]

I'm team whichever one comes with more plants.

[@abdulrazakishak311]

Me too,... 😂😂😂

[@TheVoyagers.]

Not really worth it is it? You could have tc which has more plantlets but will most likely suffer melt losing probably more than half. Whereas potted are more stronger… and melt? Low

[@turtleman190]

@TheVoyagers. it depends on the individual plant species and supplier. Some pots come with more than in TC and some come with less than in TC. Some potted plants are more likely to melt and some are less likely to melt same goes for TC. I have had more luck with TC Montecarlo. But S.repens potted plants seem to do better this is just my experience though results will vary.

[@JurijsJutjajevs]

Whenever LED is flickering, try switching 30 to 24fps and the equivalent shutter speed 1/60 or 1/50 or vice versa

[@Aquariumike]

tips from the pro ;)

[@7ubaltm]

Interesting, and thank you for the experiment. I believe there is another pro/con issue you should address: the usage of each kind of culture depending on the stage of the tank. They're both new tanks, therefore susceptible to a nutrient overload. The potted plants were already grown, capable of feeding on all those nutrients. The TC are still very small, so the algae boom was no surprise because they couldn't feed on all those nutrients by themself. In short and in my opinion, potted plants are more recomended for new tanks; CT plants are better for matured tanks. If you go for TC plants from the start, make sure some of them are very nutrient "hungry"/fast groing plants (and/or floating ones).

[@MyyllLing]

It isn’t always about potted or tissue plants but more about what is available in your area

[@therustbucket8095]

For beginners or others potted plants will always be the best .

[@richiep430]

Love all your videos MJ and especially the comparison ones. 😊

[@MJAquascaping]

Glad you like them!

[@renatomscosta]

I only see one good thing about TC plants - they’re always snail free

[@adamhuckfeldt2895]

Those tiny pest snails are so frustrating!!!

[@bigben8369]

Snails are a good thing! They help keep the tank clean.

[@adamhuckfeldt2895]

@bigben8369 then get narite snails. These tiny pest snails reproduce faster than rabbits. Once they are in the tank they are hard to remove. They are almost as bad as duck weed. They take over.

[@bigben8369]

@@adamhuckfeldt2895 Only if you overfeed the tank. Personally I prefer and keep ramshorn snails.

[@thefezturtle3030]

@@bigben8369 ramshorns are an exception. bladders will take over the tank no matter what. i tried to stop feeding altogether, and they started eating my beautiful frogbit. ramshorns are fine, they do keep the tank clean and are quite cute. only way i was able to solve it was with assassin snails

[@abfmkarin]

This is very interesting for me as I have been using both in all of my 6 fish tanks and the tissue cultured ones usually never survive in the long term.Not when planted before adding water nor to an already existing system. (I managed sometimes to safe a small part of a tissue cultured plant and regrow it in a separate fish and shrimp less tank i use for lifefoods.)

[@93kristof]

Same experiment without co2 would be interesting. Might give you the opposite result as potted plants are used to unlimited atmospheric co2.

[@cjday573]

I wonder if the potted plants do better because they have more plant mass and have ample reserves of sugars and proteins for new growth that is adjusted to the change in conditions. The added biomass and early growth might also be why the algae didn't take hold as much in the potted tank.

[@peadookie]

Ah, interesting test! Watching now very excitedly!

[@AquascapingPassion-zt8lt]

Amazing aquascape! The balance between plants and fish is just perfect. [7:33]

[@noobguy57]

Its interesting because every single tissue culture plant I've ever bought has melted and never came back. Ive never had that issue with potted plants.

[@beccygraham566]

only tc that I've had joy with is floating, and java moss everything else just melts.

[@noobguy57]

@beccygraham566 yep exactly. I'll always do potted, if there's snails I don't care since they are helpful. Hydra I've treated for once so it's not that big of a deal.

[@hendi8]

InVitro plants are in an intermediate state between emersed and submersed. They have to transform into submersed form, which is why they melts. Great content, thank you 👌

[@jtkeepingfish]

Great experiment Mark! To be honest I like to use a mix of both potted and in vitro depending on the plant. For some plants potted is better, however on the other hand you also have in vitro plants that are great for certain things! I must say, I do think the AR Mini in vitro looks way more vibrant and to be honest the whole in vitro tanks looks more vibrant!

[@suffysdave]

TC for the smaller plants, potted for the stems (in the beginning). Nice one MJ, keep doing what you do!

[@mire_beats]

finally another experiment! keep it up

[@treys.8597]

great video! neat experiment with good information. those shorts, though!

[@SeanTyphon]

Curve ball for this idea... immersed plants vs. submersed trimmings... Do the submersed trimmings establish "better" than fresh immersed plants?

[@robertattard5473]

Great video MJ 👌 I prefer potted plants as they establish better just like the results of this experiment, especially if one is not using CO2.

[@miniandy82]

Great test, thanks. I am actually surprised by the size of the difference.

[@pistons_n_pizza]

Do this again with different plants! Make a mini series! Please

[@Aquariumike]

Nice experiment again bro!

[@LoFiAxolotl]

To get rid of the flicker adjust the shutter angle on your camera to be faster than the lights... At 50\60hz voltage anything over 1/90s shutter angle should work

[@utubejester]

My experience is that tissue culture is better suited to a dry start and really need those first few weeks to really establish without the threat of algae. Once they have been given that initial time in the dry environment to established, when you flood the tank and the provide a good regime of nutrients they really take off.

[@Azk.Studio]

Potted plants have awesome growth that's why I love them

[@thierryfelix7796]

I agree with you, potted plants are better in a new tank.

[@BruticusBR]

You can probably avoid the flicker in the lights by changing the shutter speed :) Great video!

[@craighoward9802]

The flicker is caused by a frequency offset. You can adjust your camera shutter angle to compensate. Try shooting a different frame rate (25 vs 30) and adjust the shutter speed/angle from there until it disappears.

[@neur0ness]

Team potted plants here. I haven't had good luck with tissue culture plants. Also, I think it would be cool for you to do another experiment where you have two tanks with the same plants and setup but one tank has fish and the other does not. Just to see if bioload affects plant growth.

[@Jen-w1i]

Very informative! Thanks.

[@herbeenc8042]

Do a liquid fertilizer comparison

[@JoeMaMa07034]

That was a good one

[@fenixangelzamo]

Nice experiment!! I have had some mix experiences with tc plants, sometimes perform better and sometimes I didn't.

[@nanal356]

Great experiment! Thank you.

[@andrew22xcc]

Love the videos. I would love to see this comparison video, but with filter type. You could expand this to 3 or 4 tanks and do hob, minicanister, bubble, and nofilter.

[@ikanpari24]

dang that alternanthera in the tissue culture tank look insanely good

[@yaej]

this is a very interesting video! i just started a new tank and all of my plant bunches and potted plants are thriving, but the two plants that melted completely and died were tissue culture plants. it was strange to me, as i've found success with the potted versions of both of the plants that melted in the same setup.

[@suvinuoska]

That alternanthera in the tissue culture tank looks *amazing*, though

[@desperson]

@MJAquascaping, it would be interesting to see a comparison of tanks where you clean the potted plants with reverse respiration in one and introduce untreated potted plants in the other. If you aren't familiar with reverse respiration, it is a technique that kills algae and pests by depriving them of oxygen. You take your plants and submerge them in carbonated water for 12 hours. Something like a mason jar or plastic food container work great and you store the container away in a completely dark area to deprive anything on the plants of light and oxygen. There are documented benefits to this technique as the plants benefit from the CO2 in the carbonated water.

[@classychandu5090]

Nice video buddy.

[@MrBarclonista]

yo MJ maybe try temperature experiment? saw 2hr aquarist (i think) ig post of how different plant look with different temperature

[@droobs]

For me it depends on the type of plant. I tend to prefer potted buce and anubias, probably mostly because they are more developed. In tissue culture i prefer stem plants and carpeting plants. Every crypt I've tried from tissue cultures has not made it, even the "easy" ones, all in a matured tank. I havent tried a potted crypt yet, but thats my next thing to try and see if that works for me as some of the crypts are beautiful.

[@rickyabdullah4758]

Nice experiment

[@TheLiddojunior]

I find that TC plants do WAY better in a cycled tank. They seem to not handle the cycle process and melt, but if its a cycled tank they transition without issue

[@TheRealTMar]

I also had some melting with hygrophila pinnatifida from tissue cultures. It takes a lot of time for them to grow back. But from pots they also don't always do well. I had glued some stems to a piece of wood and put it in my Juwel Rio and they should have ample light, but they lost leaves and the stems broke off. Might try again with some cuttings from the other tank. I tend to go for tissue culture plants these days. You usually get more stems for relatively less and at Diebo, they sell Aquaflora plants 3 for € 20,- and I think 5 for € 30,- That is a fair deal and these cups are usually quite full.

[@Getz6471]

Team TC … issue only during start up phase but if one did the dark start, then usually TC plants can survive through after planting. Love the fact it’s algae free and pest free.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

TC culture plants grow extremely nutrient rich... So when you plant them the lack of nutrients will make them melt, but you usually get more per pot... Just takes a month or two to really get starte... Potted plants often only have water and light so especially in co2 tanks they will absolutely grow like crazy

[@jsejmsletson]

I think TC plants are better suited for nano tanks, where a more compact growth is needed. The potted plants are already larger and more established, so they do better in larger setups where you need to fill the area faster. TC plants have never done well for me because they melt, then get overgrown by the potted plants. I have only done large planted tanks and never done nano, so I appreciate the faster growth of the more established potted plants.

[@tihomirpenchev1075]

First of all I want to say that you work is amazing. Keep going. I have a question about the lamp. As far as I remember it was dimmable, how are you setting it? On 100% or ? Thanks in advance.

[@MJAquascaping]

I think it was running on 80%

[@CNC_.0001]

Nice! 👍

[@AkbarZeb-p6f]

I've got a tub devoted solely to letting plants grow out before planting them in my tanks. It started out as an interesting experiment but ultimately, I end up avoiding a lot of the melting, tantrum-throwing bullshit that junks up a lot of tanks. 😎

[@nancywaterhouse3135]

So glad you made this comparison because it touches on 2 things I have wondered about. With tissue culture plants, isn't a big plus that they come disease and pest free? I'm 4 years into this aquascaping pursuit and have now run into planaria in my tank and that's a huge bummer because you have to resort to chemicals to rid the tank, or just start over and ditch everything because plants will be harboring eggs, apparently. So gross I almost want to quit, sadly. I also have always wondered about tissue culture plants being small and slower growing at first, is there a down side to them not helping a tank to cycle and help keep algae limited? I guess you suggest that yes you may have algae issues in the beginning but hang in there and things will come around.... Also, these tanks had C)2, I wonder how it would have gone without CO2...I'm still on the fence about adding that in since I hesitate to make things more complicated. For those small tanks, how do you set the amount of Co2. Lots of questions....sorry :(

[@MJAquascaping]

Yes the advantage of TC plants is indeed that they come disease, algae and pest free. TC plants are smaller, but not necessarily slower growing, it depends on the type of plant and the quality. But they definitely help to cycle a tank and keep algae limited. For any size tank, the best way to set the amount of CO2 is with a CO2 dropchecker. Hope this helps :)

[@jurearh3109]

I think potted plants are more suitable if you need to replant after some time...eg. rescuing a algae overgrown tank.... btw alternathea reinecki mini red looks a lot better from invitro than from the pot....more luscious more compact...

[@Levhshiver616]

man haha just brought 2 buce tissue culture 1hr ago ahaha hoping they live it through!

[@Pinkstinkie]

I am Team Whichever Cost Less.

[@breedingaviandinosaurs2728]

What is the difference in costs?

[@lucianoaraujo9652]

Pelo menos a eleocharis mínima de plantil não resistiu no meu aquário, vou comprar a de pote que com certeza vai dá certo!!!! Bom experimento, gostei!!!! Vc poderia fazer um experimento desse com iluminação caseira e CO2 contra a linha profissional!!!!

[@Thayga0]

I bougth a Buchephalandra in TC cup for my last setup and one piece stard melting but the others two no. I hope it would re-grow. Definetly, TC cup is hardest to adapt that others.

[@kmaguire7161]

I assume it is the ammonia from the aquasoil causing them to melt. Maybe results would be different if you used the dark start method. In my experience I did a full tissue culture tank but with sand so I didn't have any ammonia problems and had no melt and no algae at all. Stem plants in particular I was impressed with because with some stem plants that come potted as air grown plants I don't have luck getting them to transition. And of course things like BBA and snails were more likely in my potted plants tanks.

[@petrika4596]

Where you buy this small diffuzer?

[@frankvermeulen4621]

My guess is (some of) the TC plants did not react well to the initial ammonia spike. I don't have a special preference to either TC or potted. TC has more but smaller plants and is sterile, while potted has more grown-in but less plants, and comes with snails, but I don't mind them. Darkstarting a tank takes care of ammonia and nitrite and start-up algae every time. I must invest in a RO-system, though. I suspect my tapwater prohibits growth for certain plants, because I am having no luck with Vallisneria, Cyperus helferi, most Crypts and most floating plants, despite using soil and liquid fertilizers.

[@knabdank]

i feel like tissue cultures should always be emerse grown in a dry setup for like 3 months otherwise its a waste of money, by then you trim some, get more to use and spread around some other tanks or to propogate more and it fills in, then if you do get melt on filling it up you've got like 3000x more plant grow before you even have the chance of melt.

[@marlonallansupetran7120]

LIght's running 50Hz? Tissue culture plants are not widely available in our country, I would like to try it. Have you done an experiment with liquid carbon (Seachem Excel) in a low tech setup?

[@KingYoite]

The potted plants looks beautiful from the start but got out of control by the end, whereas the tissue culture plants did terribly at first but ended up looking better then the potted plants by the end. Not sure which I'd prefer, maybe the potted plants because I don't want to risk my plants all dying. The potted plants probably will just need more pruning.

[@lundiboy8]

I am team whatever is available to me. I don't live in a big city so I try to rely on local aquascapers but even that is hard to find what I am looking for. Forget about LFS around me. There is nothing wrong with basic plants but LFS around me only sell the most basic species.

[@Jmontastic]

TC anubias/buces for me. No risk for melt.

[@LushSaltyAquariums]

I'm Team Both or whichever type the LFS has of plants I'm looking for :)

[@tombarb2864]

I like the potted…immediate satisfaction 🤓

[@craigquinn8225]

I got my partner to watch with me, asked her to guess where your from, by your accent. and she said Scottish 😆 🤣 😂.

[@MJAquascaping]

🤣

[@AquaSkrimps]

I would be potted all the way if there weren't snails every single time 😅

[@its_elser]

i wish Australia had Dennerle TC plants. the stuff we have here is garbage

[@HasinNafi]

❤❤❤❤

[@angryzombie8088]

Everything is better on Potted plants except for ARM. Maintenance wise, potted plant is easier.

[@makjmakjs6146]

Honestly prefer potted plants to invitro. I feel like the invitro ones always melt out of existence.

[@MandyJane123700]

I always get potted plants because I try to save money. I worry that the tissue culture plants will die. Now that I've watched probably thousands of videos about plants I am not so worried. I will try tissue culture someday.

[@ezrahamilton6247]

What is the average price difference?

[@MJAquascaping]

TC cups are 7,50 and pots are 5,50

[@adamhuckfeldt2895]

I'm team no pest snails.

[@baochinhnguyen3221]

i have a big trouble how to deal with Blue-Green Algae, any medicine/ method can kill this algea permanently?

[@treys.8597]

try Fritz Aquatics Slime Out. The package says red Cyanobacteria, but it also works on blue green.

[@baochinhnguyen3221]

@@treys.8597 does it affects on fish and shrimp? and other products? just in case my local shops don't have it

[@halo2something]

did you try full darkness for 4-5 days method? it helped me, also after that try to have strong flow in your tank cyanobacteria doesn't like it

[@baochinhnguyen3221]

@@halo2something i never try it before cause i scare it will affect on both plants and fishs, shrimps. My filter flow is not as strong as the first day, i tried to clean every parts of it but the flow speed is now stable :(

[@halo2something]

@@baochinhnguyen3221 you should try it, your plants and livestock will be fine, shrimps often get into filters and live there in total darkness for months, just have proper oxygenation - air stone, and you'll be fine this method i'd say less invasive - you don't use strong chemicals or antibiotics, which are also harmful to good bacteria in your system

[@宗穎蔡-u2g]

I'm team whichever snail free

[@deathscythe9866]

Team no snails

[@Dogicat_sus]

Shut up!

[@halo2something]

idk i've potted many tissue pinnatifida cups - never had melting, but they were from tropica, not dennerle

[@077hercules]

I'm team you put way to much nutrition in your tanks .....

[@Chikiebabe666]

Do 1 tissue culture submerge vs emerge

[@Chikiebabe666]

Hi can you do 1 emerge vs submerge growth?