Ignorant Commentators! Hand hit on swing. What's the call. LLWS

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@DavidAinsworthRTR
@DavidAinsworthRTR 5 жыл бұрын
I like this guy he explains everything. I’m ten and this helps for future. Thanks MJH
@johnmoore6582
@johnmoore6582 5 жыл бұрын
I went to Dick's sporting goods yesterday and they had a special, BUY 1 BAT...GET 2 HANDS FREE!!!
@blueloraine
@blueloraine 5 жыл бұрын
Swinging dead ball strike three - I've got an out. Mechanic: "Time" hands up. Indicate swinging strike three (hammer time) and verbalize, "Batters out on strike three, swinging". Uncaught strike three nullified as the ball is dead on hit by pitch.
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
Perfectly called, mechanic, everything!!
@lucasng4712
@lucasng4712 4 жыл бұрын
@@mlbhighlights1177 no
@jeremyfrazier4733
@jeremyfrazier4733 3 жыл бұрын
@@mlbhighlights1177 wrong, dead ball strike
@bullseyebuss
@bullseyebuss 3 жыл бұрын
It can't be a "hit by pitch" if the batter swings.
@bjohnkautzman1041
@bjohnkautzman1041 3 жыл бұрын
I think folks here are misunderstanding, and it's the one area where I was a little confused (but now straight). I figured it was strike 3, but I also figured that the runner would have a chance to beat the throw to first since it was a strike 3 that was not caught. But it's a dead ball, so it all makes sense.
@dusterfreebottom
@dusterfreebottom 5 жыл бұрын
You passed on that last remark "I could see that being called a foul tip." No, a foul ball, another misconception.
@XXelpollodiabloXX
@XXelpollodiabloXX 3 жыл бұрын
This one drives me so nuts I can't even begin to describe it. *Especially* when coaches don't know the difference, which is infuriating. It's hard to patiently explain to a 13U or 14U coach what constitutes a foul tip, and that the ball is still live, not dead. Honorable mention goes to when a ball hits the ground then hits the batter. It would amaze you how many people don't know that, no, the ball isn't dead because it hit the ground first -- it's still a hit by pitch. They don't even stop to think about why insisting that the ball is dead is an idiotic thing to say. What about a passed ball? Or a ball in the dirt that the catcher blocks? Are those dead balls because they hit the ground, too? (For this one, I've only ever had one coach try to make this claim, but it was a Little League juniors coach, and that's just pathetic.)
@dusterfreebottom
@dusterfreebottom 3 жыл бұрын
@@XXelpollodiabloXX No wonder I didn't recognize the video right away.
@critter2
@critter2 2 жыл бұрын
@@XXelpollodiabloXX seriously drives me insane when that said foul ball and foul tip= the same its not.
@XXelpollodiabloXX
@XXelpollodiabloXX 2 жыл бұрын
@@critter2 Or if they say "foul tick"...
@dougt5357
@dougt5357 5 жыл бұрын
Right at the end you hear another stupid comment that is made all the time. On that last batter shown the announcer mentions 'foul tip'. This particular call is constantly missed by the announcers. You could make an entire video of announcers from LL to MLB who don't know what it is apparently. Heck, Tim McCarver has been calling this wrong for ages and he was a freakin' MLB catcher! He, more than just about anyone, should know the difference between a 'foul tip' and a 'foul ball'. Now going through the comments below I see several other people picked up on that last item, too!
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
I heard the same thing!! Thanks, you saved me from typing all of that!
@McClimber234
@McClimber234 5 жыл бұрын
So many announcers suck. Hands are hands....bats are bats.
@prsguitars42
@prsguitars42 5 жыл бұрын
IMMEDIATE dead ball, strike and if if it's the 3rd strike then batter is out.........
@letsgobrandoniagree6803
@letsgobrandoniagree6803 2 жыл бұрын
It’s just a foul ball
@prsguitars42
@prsguitars42 2 жыл бұрын
@@letsgobrandoniagree6803 You're only about 10% correct.....read my initial reply one more time......
@letsgobrandoniagree6803
@letsgobrandoniagree6803 2 жыл бұрын
@@prsguitars42 I didn’t know it was a dead ball if it hit the hands. If someone swings and it hits them in the stomach year that would be an out but I thought it was a foul ball.
@oldfarmer9004
@oldfarmer9004 3 жыл бұрын
I like that the manager was calm about it. He didn’t make a total ass of himself.
@bullseyebuss
@bullseyebuss 3 жыл бұрын
There is not a single person who knows every rule in baseball and remembers it. MLB players and coaches included. The most important rule is "don't make yourself look like an ass!"
@truthillinois6397
@truthillinois6397 Жыл бұрын
The manager knew the rule. He had nothing to complain about.
@joerichards9068
@joerichards9068 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, get a coach or heaven forbid a parent to understand is just about impossible. -Think a GIANT brick wall. With a large mouth. No ears.
@damason724
@damason724 5 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha
@eauhomme
@eauhomme 4 жыл бұрын
You want a good argument, take away a hit when the ball is hit off the hands instead of the bat. It's a dead ball strike even if the ball goes fair and the batter makes it to first.
@lscales6131
@lscales6131 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I had that happen before. Batter swing hit his hands he dropped the bat and shook his hand. Catcher and pitcher just stared at him and I’m about to call dead ball when the guy jets to first. All hell breaks loose and my partner doesn’t seem me waiving it off and calls him safe at a close play. They didn’t like my explanation they thought I had called time “for no reason” just to screw them over. It wasn’t even strike 3 so he had to get back in the box with a 2-2 count.
@Mark-pe2sh
@Mark-pe2sh 2 жыл бұрын
I had that in a high school game. 1-2 pitch. Batter ran to first. I killed the play called it hit by pitch and out on the swing.. Head coach of the boys team came out to ask how I made that call. I explained the rule to him. He said, took a lot of guts and the boy's parents hate you now as he chuckled and walked off the field. The coach later said he has had that happen before against his team and the batter got first since he beat the throw. I said, well, now you know. He was a good coach who never yelled, would always talk with the umpire about the call. Even if he disagreed, he was never disagreeable.
@asthemillertoldhistale1361
@asthemillertoldhistale1361 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been hearing this argument most of my life. Thank you for doing this video. I only wish more people would watch and listen to it.
@larrykramer2761
@larrykramer2761 4 жыл бұрын
This is an EASY call! It's a dead ball strike and the batter is out because he had 2 strikes.
@letsgobrandoniagree6803
@letsgobrandoniagree6803 2 жыл бұрын
So the hands are not part of the bat? When did that rule change?
@mikek7190
@mikek7190 3 жыл бұрын
I understand everything here until the explanation of the last batter in this video. I get that it was a foul ball. If he bunted foul with two strikes, it would be an out. I believe this is not an out only because the batter pulled back and didn't offer at the pitch? Here it was clear he wasn't bunting when he made contact. My guess it would then be the umpire's judgement on whether it would be a bunt attempt or not. Is my logic correct here?
@bakerman10
@bakerman10 4 жыл бұрын
The hand is not a part of the bat. It is a part of the body. Is the batter swings at the pitch and it hits his hands, the ball is immediately declared dead and it's up to the umpire to decide if the batter swung or the pitch was in the strike zone. In both latter situations, the ball is a strike (but it's still a dead ball).
@stevedandy973
@stevedandy973 3 жыл бұрын
Unless LL has changed it since 2017, it is a DEAD BALL STRIKE and baserunners may not advance.⚾️
@haydenhodges34
@haydenhodges34 3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos; however, I'm a little disappointed you referred to the commentators as "ignorant" and sounding "stupid". Perhaps a better choice of words such as 'misinformed' or 'unknowing' might be more appealing to your core subscribers. We all know the majority of players, coaches, and even commentators of most sports do not know countless rules (especially many of the finite ones), yet we do not need to label them with derogatory verbiage.
@rdwells
@rdwells 3 жыл бұрын
We have a two-fer at the very end. "I could see that being a foul tip. The hands are part of the bat." Totally wrong on both counts.
@stevemccart9109
@stevemccart9109 4 жыл бұрын
Hah!! I called that one correctly. Why did an umpire have to double check?
@brandonfrancey5592
@brandonfrancey5592 4 жыл бұрын
The Umpire was checking if the ball hit the batter first or the bat first, he wasn't checking the rules.
@kevinschroer9145
@kevinschroer9145 4 жыл бұрын
He initially called foul ball. Upon review, saw it hit the hands, not the bat and correctly reversed his decision to a swinging strike.
@Nationalsgaming-it6uw
@Nationalsgaming-it6uw 5 жыл бұрын
I’m at 1:33 I think I should be a foul ball I’m at 2:40 now and I was wrong so it’s a strikeout since he did swing
@kgbricks7426
@kgbricks7426 5 жыл бұрын
@Kalen Shoot drop 3rd
@67L48
@67L48 4 жыл бұрын
@Kalen Shoot You must not have listened to the video. It cannot be a foul ball because the ball never struck the bat. It only struck the player's hands, which is the same as if the ball hit the player's leg, arm, or any other part of his body. It's an immediate dead ball when the ball hits the player in the batter's box. There is no opportunity for the catcher to catch the pitched ball, as the ball is dead immediately upon hitting the player. Since the player swung, it's strike 3 swinging and immediate dead ball. Done.
@67L48
@67L48 4 жыл бұрын
@@kgbricks7426 Nope. Ball is dead IMMEDIATELY upon touching the batter, so there is nothing to drop. No different than if the batter swung at a wicked curve bally that ends up hitting the player's ankle. Swinging strike 3 and immediate dead ball. Batter is out and no runners may advance, since it's a dead ball.
@kgbricks7426
@kgbricks7426 4 жыл бұрын
@@67L48 you're right. Good point
@returntonature8773
@returntonature8773 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the "until you get new hands with a new bat"
@Deanrite
@Deanrite 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly according to the rules. The note that if it hits a part of the body in the strike zone, even if there is not a swing, it is a strike. A painful one, but a strike none the less.
@dougthegreat1808
@dougthegreat1808 3 жыл бұрын
I could see how someone may think the ball may have hit the bat, then it would be foul. BUT THESE COMMENTATORS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE PLAYED SOMEWHERE DOES NOT MEAN THEY KNOW THE NUANCES OF THE GAME. ESPECIALLY THAT WOMAN!!!!
@jedclampett7705
@jedclampett7705 Жыл бұрын
And no one has a problem with that pitcher’s glove? I know, unrelated but talk about deception with that WHITE at the wrist area of glove during the delivery on each pitch. Wow.
@Ghostrider6A
@Ghostrider6A 3 жыл бұрын
One additional thing, a batter may not move into the path of the pitch to get hit. The ruling is an immediate dead ball and the pitch judged based on where it was at the time.
@herestoyoudoc
@herestoyoudoc Жыл бұрын
I think the source of this myth is that in the days before video review, most umps would decide that if there was any possibility the ball hit the bat, then they would rule that it hit the bat--whether or not it actually hit the bat. ESPECIALLY with metal bats--if you hear the metal ringing, then it hit the bat (never mind that even a LL fast pitch is enough to transfer energy through the hand to the bat to make the bat ring). So this particular call would be rare because the ump was calling a foul ball on the judgment (which may or may not have been correct) that it hit the bat. But now they can always go to the tape so people are losing their minds. They got it in their heads somehow that "the hands are part of the bat", which was not ever the case.
@bigal7561
@bigal7561 Жыл бұрын
I umpired HS ball for about 30 years and this happens more than you think. Not all the time but if you've spent a lot of time behind the plate, you'll see one. Problem is, you don't have replay and you probably shouldn't ask for help from your crew 90 plus feet away. Here I could tell the kid was showing pain in his hand so my call would be there was the contact and it's strike three. If I don't have that indication, or any other like the sound of ball on wood or metal, I'm stuck for best guess. I'd probably go with the hand by the sound. Strike 3. Then get ready for half the crowd to go nuts and an uninformed coach or two coming at you like you just shot their dog. Ha Know the rules before you lose you mind. A good ump will go to the batsman's coach and explain the rule and what you called/why you called.
@aport_8
@aport_8 4 жыл бұрын
Great interpretation of the rule. As an umpire who has a passion for getting the calls right, I really appreciate the work you did on this video.
@MikeHart72
@MikeHart72 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't an interpretation of the rule it's the actual rule. If you swing and the ball hits you anywhere it's a strike. If you swing, miss and the pitch hits your head it's a strike.
@gizzyguzzi
@gizzyguzzi 3 жыл бұрын
if you are an umpire with a passion for getting the calls right, I would recommend you rely on reading the rulebook, not some guy on the internet. Even if the guy on the internet is correct.
@toddt7709
@toddt7709 3 жыл бұрын
@@gizzyguzzi This isn’t for an umpire but some idiot fan or coach that would scream at you the rest of the game because they don’t know a rule.
@KLGB25R
@KLGB25R 5 жыл бұрын
Commentators should buy AND READ a rule book. It really doesn’t matter how much you “think” or “feel” that it should be a foul ball - rules say it’s a strike and, in this case, strike three...
@jumperguy9867
@jumperguy9867 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually going to say "Strike Three" batter's out, but dead ball, because it hit him...no one advances if anyone is on base. No one was on base, though, so moot point. I once swung at a nasty curve that ended up hitting me in the bicep...easy call - strike three.
@MaydayAggro
@MaydayAggro 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how umpires can get this call wrong IF they know the ball hit his hands. This is a basic call (for an umpire).
@MinistryOfMagic_DoM
@MinistryOfMagic_DoM 3 жыл бұрын
Huh. I would have gone foul ball as well but now I know. To be fair, I don't work for ESPN, didn't play college ball, and didn't play in the MLB lol.
@ClintonCountyDroneGuy
@ClintonCountyDroneGuy 4 жыл бұрын
And this is why we continue hearing these types of comments. Announcers rarely get it right.
@MichaelClark-uw7ex
@MichaelClark-uw7ex 3 жыл бұрын
They work for ESPN, what did you expect?
@TheY2AProblem
@TheY2AProblem 3 жыл бұрын
I paused it in order to answer... I think it should be a strike. In the same way if you swing at a pitch and it hits you in any other part of the body that’s considered a strike. The only way that’s a foul ball is if the ball hits the bat and then hits the player while he is still in the batters box. It’s gotta be a strike.
@jaycline4858
@jaycline4858 3 жыл бұрын
So then I guess if the ball had rolled into field of play and been thrown out at first in ump didnt call it a dead ball the third base manager might then rightfully argue is should have be a dead ball strike and not a fair ball ?
@bullseyebuss
@bullseyebuss 3 жыл бұрын
And then misuses the term foul tip at the end of the video. A foul tip is a ball that must be caught otherwise it's just a foul ball.
@evanfilms3352
@evanfilms3352 5 жыл бұрын
I think he is out because He swung at the pitch and it was not foul because it hit his hands
@nickwest1279
@nickwest1279 3 жыл бұрын
Before the answer is said he swings so strike 3 but dead ball since it hit him. Batter is out and anyone (if went) should return to base.
@snapmalloy5556
@snapmalloy5556 3 жыл бұрын
You actually said Jessica Mendoza does a good job. Uh, no. No she doesn't
@kcstorm1352
@kcstorm1352 4 жыл бұрын
If the ball doesn’t make physical contact with the bat it’s not a foul ball so if it hits the hands it’s a dead ball
@nmhowler
@nmhowler 5 жыл бұрын
Per the Little League Rule book Rule 2.00 - DEFINITION OF TERMS A STRIKE is a legal pitch which meets any of these conditions - (a) Is struck at by the batter and missed; (b) Is not struck at, if any part of the ball passes through any part of the strike zone; (c) Is fouled by the batter when there is less than two strikes; (d) Is bunted foul (the batter is out and ball is dead, if the batter bunts foul on the third strike); (e) Touches the batter’s person as the batter strikes at it (dead ball); EXAMPLE: If, while swinging, the ball strikes the batter, it is a dead ball, strike. (f ) Touches the batter in flight in the strike zone; or EXAMPLE: A batter that leans across the plate is now in the strike zone. If that batter is hit with a pitch that is in the strike zone, it is called a dead ball, strike. (g) Becomes a foul tip. (Ball is live and in play.) Rule 6.05 - A batter is out when (e) that batter attempts to hit a third strike and is touched by the ball; INTSTRUCTOR’S COMMENTS: (from the Little League Rules Instruction Manual) - Hands are not part of the bat, they are part of the body.
@reidrichter4292
@reidrichter4292 5 жыл бұрын
Does the batter get to run to first since the catcher didn't catch the ball on third strike?
@nmhowler
@nmhowler 5 жыл бұрын
@@reidrichter4292 No, per rule 6.05 (e), the batter is out.
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482 5 жыл бұрын
@@reidrichter4292 - any time the ball hits the batter (whether he swings or not) it is a dead ball, therefore he can't attempt to reach 1st and any runners on the base cannot advance.
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
I tried to upvote this 8 times, but it wouldn't let me do it!!!! WAAHHH WAHHH!
@dannyboyyy272
@dannyboyyy272 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a dead ball bud even if he swings because think about it you swing but it hits u it’s considered dead
@lscales6131
@lscales6131 2 жыл бұрын
He’s out. That’s my call. Dead ball batter out no one advances.
@davidmcbrayer6458
@davidmcbrayer6458 3 жыл бұрын
Strike. And a dead ball. Batter is out. No runners may advance.
@coachm2075
@coachm2075 4 жыл бұрын
It's a strike, he swung at it. Does not matter if he got hit by the ball if he swung at it.
@fanny2081
@fanny2081 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a clear deadball. If you get hit and swing, its a deadball
@truthillinois6397
@truthillinois6397 Жыл бұрын
The hands are not part of the bat. If the batter swings at a pitch that hits him anywhere it’s a strike.
@joshbaseball2468
@joshbaseball2468 5 жыл бұрын
Hands are not part of the bat. I don’t buy a bat with hands
@sebgaming5937
@sebgaming5937 5 жыл бұрын
In my league I got hit in the hands and I was told my hands are apart of the bat THEY LIED TO ME
@Ilovemyidi
@Ilovemyidi 5 жыл бұрын
They are because if your hands weren’t there it would be a foul so it would be a foul ball
@MJHBaseball
@MJHBaseball 5 жыл бұрын
@@sebgaming5937 Yes they did...or they just didn't know. In NO league anywhere at anytime have the hands been considered a part of the bat. EVER. Softball or baseball. But you'll still have people insisting they are "in their league."
@jackjon7763
@jackjon7763 5 жыл бұрын
The crazy Chicken take your bat outside and over grass so you don’t screw up your bat. But drop it. Did the hands go with it? No they don’t. Hands aren’t part of the bat
@Ilovemyidi
@Ilovemyidi 5 жыл бұрын
jack jon yeah but take your hands out of the equation if the bat was just sitting there and it hits the bat it would be a foul ball if it hits where your hands should be on a bat it’s a foul because your hands aren’t there if you put your hands on the barrel and swing and it hits your hands is it a hit by pitch? Edit:No XD XD
@Brammy007a
@Brammy007a 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Peterson and the other announcers needs to go back to Little League
@21cabbage104
@21cabbage104 5 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t matter he swung so it’s a strike
@johnnyg2049
@johnnyg2049 5 жыл бұрын
...And these people are still announcing? Unreal!
@bug-lf4sg
@bug-lf4sg 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair , in basketball the hands are part of the ball. Frankly I played for years and I was wrong on the call. That's why i'm not an ump.
@superchief77
@superchief77 5 жыл бұрын
An old Umpire buddy of mine once told someone, go to the sporting goods store and let me know if you see a pair of hands that come with the purchase of the bat.
@Namath1000
@Namath1000 4 жыл бұрын
1972 Topps Baseball Cards had a series of "You are the umpire" questions on the back of some of them and they had this exact same scenario. I didn't know it at the time -- well, I was 9 -- but I've always remembered it since.
@stephenharlow4064
@stephenharlow4064 5 жыл бұрын
The batter is out because he swung
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
But, you also need to remember that it's a dead ball. So, don't act like it is a simple swing and a miss, it's a dead ball when it hits the batter. If a runner tries to move up, you return him to the previous base. That's a big deal.
@esnstrider46
@esnstrider46 2 жыл бұрын
These announcers need to go back to school!!!!
@Mark-pe2sh
@Mark-pe2sh 2 жыл бұрын
A few years ago there was a survey of MLB players and coaches on rules of the game. All scored under 50% correct. Most were in the bottom 25% correct.
@MJHBaseball
@MJHBaseball 2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see that actual survey.
@jbh-films4908
@jbh-films4908 5 жыл бұрын
my dad could be a better commentator
@gigi_1050onps4
@gigi_1050onps4 3 жыл бұрын
I say it’s a foul ball honestly, I mean he swung the bat. It’s not a free base if you swing then get hit. Like say if his hands weren’t there it’s gonna hit the bat. I’ve never seen that.
@MJHBaseball
@MJHBaseball 3 жыл бұрын
It's a swinging strike and since this was strike 3, the batter is out. Since the pitched ball contacted the batter while in the batter's box, the ball is dead and runners, if any on base, may not advance.
@jaytekgg
@jaytekgg Жыл бұрын
i played little league baseball for 8 years and 4 high school baseball. It was always played that if the ball hits ur hands while your at bat it was a foul ball. Thats how I had always known that to be. Ive watched baseball my whole life. Ive always been told and taught throught all my years of playing that your hands are part of the bat. It kinda pisses me of that all my years i was lied to about this LOL
@6thwilbury2331
@6thwilbury2331 5 жыл бұрын
Every year, this happens. Every year, someone uses the phrase "fairly unique."
@mptr1783
@mptr1783 4 жыл бұрын
I think youre being a little hard on the announcers. Karl Ravitch did say that he thought it hit the bat, which would make it a foul ball. He also said if it hit his hand, its a strikeout. My thought is sometimes, you may hear the ball hit the bat and then the hand, obviously the batter will be in pain. But, its possible to have a foul ball if in fact you believe the bat was also hit.
@jakearoniv2995
@jakearoniv2995 5 жыл бұрын
I was at this game. Since I know most of the Georgia team. I thought it was a dead ball.
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
It is a dead ball when it hits him, but it's also a strike.
@paddymack3224
@paddymack3224 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe it’s just me, but it’s not the crazy that these players of the game didn’t know the in and outs of a common rule. That’s why players argue with umps, they didn’t take the time to learn the common rule
@raijounshivers8628
@raijounshivers8628 5 жыл бұрын
Strike
@EtzEchad
@EtzEchad 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty simple actually, and very logical. Thanks!
@jprogers91
@jprogers91 3 жыл бұрын
Strike 3 Batter is out !!!!
@bobcarp1239
@bobcarp1239 5 жыл бұрын
you come off as pretty arrogant like, "I know all this and THEY don't". Aren't I smart!
@jcgaming2642
@jcgaming2642 4 жыл бұрын
To be fair Little League World Series umpires aren’t paid professionals either.
@superstarreviews9937
@superstarreviews9937 4 жыл бұрын
They get paid.
@davej3781
@davej3781 4 жыл бұрын
@@superstarreviews9937 no, they don't. they have to make their own travel arrangements as well. I don't even know if they get lodging; I assume they get to stay in some bunkhouse at the LL facility just like the players, but I don't know for sure.
@brevensanford2176
@brevensanford2176 4 жыл бұрын
Tic Tack they’re volunteers
@mactac25
@mactac25 4 жыл бұрын
Tic Tack I umpired Little League many years, both regular season and tournaments. We didn’t get paid for tournaments. It’s all volunteer. Now during the regular season, we were paid by the local leagues per game. Pay depended on the age level of the game (Little League, Junior League, Senior, etc.).
@karlrovey
@karlrovey 5 жыл бұрын
The call is strike three.
@mintyzachmintyclan9254
@mintyzachmintyclan9254 3 жыл бұрын
That must say of hurt 🤕
@TheBrad1300
@TheBrad1300 4 жыл бұрын
thank you for answering random baseball questions i have at 3 am.
@raijounshivers8628
@raijounshivers8628 5 жыл бұрын
Strike
@chapetonloc
@chapetonloc 5 жыл бұрын
He is out because he swung
@cougar6032
@cougar6032 5 жыл бұрын
Article directly from the Little League site. www.littleleague.org/university/articles/hey-blue-arent-the-hands-part-of-the-bat/ Hands are not part of the bat. It's one of the biggest myths in all baseball.
@jakeblock6768
@jakeblock6768 5 жыл бұрын
Dead ball strike, and with 2 strikes batter is out. Not hard to understand.
@119Agent
@119Agent 5 жыл бұрын
The "hands are a part of the bat" is a long time misunderstanding of the rule. I played little league 35 years ago and parents and coaches were shouting that when it happened like it did in this clip.
@119Agent
@119Agent 5 жыл бұрын
No one is debating that. What the announcers are questioning and the purpose of this post is the “hands are a part of the bat” myth that even the announcers believe. They think it should be a foul ball.
@Deeper489
@Deeper489 3 жыл бұрын
Strike 3
@erikpanderson
@erikpanderson 4 жыл бұрын
This happened to me in high school and I was able to punch the ball down the 3rd baseline for a painfully ugly infield hit. My teammates razzed me about needing to use the bat to hit the ball and not sacrifice my body in the future. I had always assumed the bat WAS part of the bat and went with it. I have been wrong for over 50yrs until watching this video lesson and reading the below comments. Thanks for the great tutorials.
@akaconnorxyt9624
@akaconnorxyt9624 5 жыл бұрын
He’s out
@jackjon7763
@jackjon7763 5 жыл бұрын
This is why I don’t umpire anymore. The amount of people who can’t be bothered to read the MLB rules and the league rules is probably around 99%.
@119Agent
@119Agent 5 жыл бұрын
yet they will scream at your nonsense like "the hands are part of the bat", "he didn't slide", "he was going for the ball", "pitcher was on the mound" and any other countless things that are not a part of the rule they are trying to draw attention to. The ump should have a smart phone and quickly search for the rule and then send it to a monitor facing the crowd. That would be a big improvement at every level of the game.
@jackjon7763
@jackjon7763 5 жыл бұрын
LostDutchman I think someone said that the Japanese have the umpire give the crowd the ruling over a mic on some of the more controversial calls.
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482 5 жыл бұрын
@@119Agent - My favorite is "he didn't pull the bat back", when the batter is bunting and doesn't move on a pitch that is no where near the strike zone.
@danielcardenasiii1741
@danielcardenasiii1741 5 жыл бұрын
Well at least its not the umpires getting it wrong
@baseballbros0763
@baseballbros0763 5 жыл бұрын
He swung so it’s still a strike same if it hits you in the ribs and you swing if he didn’t swing and it hit his hands take your base
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482
@deplorable_bitter_clinger7482 5 жыл бұрын
Correct! No matter where the ball hits you (including the hands) if you swing it is a strike, if that is strike 3 it's an out.
@bacon4life804
@bacon4life804 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a strike. If you swing and it doesn’t hit the bat it’s a strike.
@marmac2768
@marmac2768 5 жыл бұрын
I think that, because it happens so seldom, people don't really apply the rule that often. I've had it happen to me on a couple of occasions, and neither coach understood what I did when I called the batter out. BOTH of them quoted those exact same words, "The hands are a part of the bat"! I had a protest on one of the games where I called this because it was a LL League Southeast Regional game, around 1998 in St. Pete. We stopped the game and Wes (I can't remember his last name, but he was the UIC for the Southeastern Region) said that I got it right!! Most of the time, when a batter swings, people just THINK it is a foul ball. No one questions it hitting the hand(s). Of course, I have had it argued that the batter is hit by a pitch and should get first base, "No, no, no, no, no no, it's a swinging strike!" No ejections though, at least I haven't had to do that. But, in over 5000 games umped, I think it's only happened to me 4 or 5 times, so it really doesn't happen that much.
@davidandrews1977
@davidandrews1977 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos to that coach for not being a shithead and freaking out. On that level you kind of need to trust your umpires.
@capncrunch9053
@capncrunch9053 5 ай бұрын
Something similar happened to me when I was playing little league. The ball hit my hand just like this kids did but instead of fouling off, the ball actually rolled towards the pitcher a few feet. Is that considered a swinging miss or a hit? On a side note, I broke my index finger on that swing and missed the next 6 weeks. uggh.
@dogpatch75
@dogpatch75 8 ай бұрын
Lots of rules in baseball and softball are misinterpreted or completely not known by too many coaches, low level umpires, fans, and commentators. Folks who's only rules training came from their buddies while playing in the sand lot back in the day get a lot of rules wrong. Knowing rules begins with opening an up-to-date rule book and reading. This is a great video and the different scenario explanations are spot on.
@boybawang1981
@boybawang1981 3 жыл бұрын
I really can't take anything you say seriously....just like 80% of the population, you said, 'very unique'!! Unique means one of a kind, something cannot therefore be, 'very unique = very one of a kind'!!!
@dragonvipergamingdvg4406
@dragonvipergamingdvg4406 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate the knowledge but dude didn't have to go off on the commentators. Yes they should know the game well but at the end of the day they are not the ones making the calls so if they get mixed up on one tiny rule it isn't that big of a deal. This video could've been made with all the same great info without being so rude about the casters making a simple mistake
@JJMcClure
@JJMcClure Жыл бұрын
Love these vids. I guessed it right (I promise), BUT, I have watched your other vids so I had some context.
@marcmarc4776
@marcmarc4776 Жыл бұрын
Even if the pitch hits you (anywhere on the body) while you swing and miss, it's a STRIKE.
@brianhynes6493
@brianhynes6493 4 жыл бұрын
Dead ball. Swing. Batter is out. Jessica was a pitcher and probably didn't bat very often, so probably doesn't know hitting rules very well.
@gordoh7634
@gordoh7634 2 жыл бұрын
Another wrinkle would be if the batter steps out of the batter's box. That would nicely complicate things as well.
@billdonoho3905
@billdonoho3905 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old Video , But when I watch the LLWS they have some of the most absolute worst umpiring staff that there is on planet EARTH!!! And I don't think that any of them are paid or Professional umpires!
@bryanrmcnair01
@bryanrmcnair01 2 жыл бұрын
She does college games and I WILL NOT WATCH since i heard her say "ball hit chalk" and it was over a foot foul and the line was painted!!!
@secondstring
@secondstring 5 жыл бұрын
Good job here getting it right by the umpiring crew. I have to say though, that I have watched a lot of LLWS games, and every year, they are some of the WORST ball/strike umpires I have ever seen.
@chrisvanderwielen1530
@chrisvanderwielen1530 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, let's not get crazy here. Not every player, coach or even ump knows the rule book inside and out. Being mistaken about a ruling that is fairly uncommon, and in this specific instance even more rare (swinging strike 3), isn't something to be shocked about. I had to think back to my HS coach instructing us to keep our fingers behind the bat while bunting... and not just so we didn't break our fingers. In all my years of playing, I have never personally been a subject of this type of ruling, and can't recall ever see it applied in a game I was playing. So please, lay off with the harsh criticism just because other people don't read the baseball rulebook cover-to-cover every night before going to bed. ffs
@dinodabezic648
@dinodabezic648 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is the best Monday morning quarterback. U need to chill on the announcers. There’s a million rules and this situation is unique. Have u ever thought they never experienced this exact scenario? I’m glad u know the rules bro just check your ego at the door.
@Glen-qh5xq
@Glen-qh5xq 4 ай бұрын
As an umpire, I spend more time explaining this and the infield fly rule to people.
@fionam3554
@fionam3554 3 жыл бұрын
...and MLB blew it a week ago when Conforto was hit by a ball in the strike zone, with two strikes and the bases loaded in extras. They ruled HBP, game over.
@ĆrankyÓldMan2024
@ĆrankyÓldMan2024 Жыл бұрын
Anytime you swing, it’s a strike whether it hits you or not. Not a foul ball, strike 3.
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