ML: Convoy S vs Megatron S

[@macm78theofficialchannel60]

One of the most dramatic, powerful, unforgettable rivalry of all-time. Convoy and Megatron are one of the greatest rivalry of all centuries.

[@SiM0n1755x]

To this day, Convoy and Megatron's final duel remains one of my favorite moments in Transformers history.

[@darthwinsor]

It’s absolutely devastating that we lost Kiyoyuki Yanada, Micron Legend’s Megatron was truthfully one of my favorite iterations just because of his deep, cranky voice that knew how to yell.

[@greatexkaiser1035]

I only recently heard of his passing, and I was super sad to hear that he passed. Whenever I was writing a story, he was always the default "bad guy" voice in my head, and he was a remarkably good one too. For me, Yanada is the voice I always hear when I think "Japanese Megatron". He was just so phenomenal as this version of the character, portraying just as well Megatron's brutality as well as his respect for his troops. He easily could have been a yelling, screaming rage monster, but he gave Megatron a certain relatability that, up to that point, I don't think Megatron had in Generation 1. Still, I think it would be a disservice for me to remember him only for his role in ML. Actually, my introduction to his work was when he played Thymilph in Gurren Lagann. Like Megatron, he just brought such a heft and weight to Thymilph (and pretty much every other character he voiced) that few anime VAs have managed to replicate. TLDR; Yanada was a brilliant VA and he'll be dearly missed.

[@darthwinsor]

My personal favorite role of his was Benkei Musashibo in New Getter Robo, that role featured some great mecha yells plus he did the more humorous aspects of that character very well.

[@macm78theofficialchannel60]

My favourite VA, was Daigunder and Prof Big Bang aka Daikun was Kiyoyuki Yanada is the greatest VA of all time.

[@megazarak8089]

I know. Its regrettable that he hasn't and won't ever be in any Transformers media.

[@NeoEveryhobby]

And now I find out that Kiyoyuki Yanada died...

[@ChaoticDarkness1]

This battle is so much better with the organ music instead of the freaking toy commercial music playing in the background. It really adds to the atmosphere.

[@マジンガーZ-u7t]

That’s the baggage of having it be a Western property, even less reason to be uncut than the usual adaptation.

[@jamesmcdavid1673]

Micron Legends: "Convoy, I believe that without the Matrix in your chest, you would enjoy battle as much as I do. Do you want to prove me wrong?" Armada: "I'm going to make Unicron's power mine! Try and stop me!" One is deeply philosophical, asking if the two leaders are really as different as we think they are. The other is just a grudge match.

[@andrewtc95]

In Armada, Megatron is just egging Optimus on. He knows his death will also kill Unicron, and he wants Optimus to be the one to do it. He also wants one last fight. I think this why he talks about Starscream being a fool. Based on his reaction to Starscream's death he clearly didn't believe that (nor do I think it was just a dubbing error), but he's just trying everything to get a rise out of Optimus. I'm sure a lot of the differences between Micron Legend and Armada were just sloppy dubbing errors, but, at least here, it seems like they were going for something entirely different with the characters. I think it's also evident with Armada Megatron's last words, telling Optimus to look after his men.

[@mikeax24]

@@andrewtc95 Im fully with the dub on this one. The japanese has megatron say a bunch of random "deep" shit that doesn't really connect with anything. It just feels like megatron is TRYING to be deep to explain why he just wants to fight, only for optimus to randomly decide to throw a fit. Megatron's lackluster "to think he'd attack first" reaction shows he wasn't fully expecting the reaction that he was clearly egging on. It just feels random, like they're both just trying to "say shit" to fill the air. Where the english dub gets DIRECTLY to the point. Megatron does NOT waste a second before regressing back into his old self and making it abundantly clear he is not trying to be deep. He's the same he always was. He wants conquest, he wants to fight, and he wants to win. THIS feels like the megatron who legitimately missed optimus when he briefly was dead. This is the megatron who genuinely wanted to just go fist to fist with optimus in unicron's husk with no regards for being deep or his troops or anything at all. Optimus' reaction isn't a random spur of the moment, it's the culmination of everything. The constant war, sacrifice, and struggles and a genuine breaking moment as he realizes that so long as megatron lives, there will NEVER be peace. Optimus in the dub shows a genuine hate, a genuine bloodthirst that i wonder if it was the inspiration for his movie self. This is an optimus prime who is DETERMINED to KILL megatron with his bare hands. And the fact he hesitates to drop megatron into the vortex shows optimus struggling with his own journey to reaching this point. Optimus in that moment is as much of a monster as megatron is, and that HATRED is what restarts unicron's revival. Megatron is always going to be a hate filled tyrant, but in that moment, optimus was no better.

[@funfries3857]

@@mikeax24 different doesnt mean bad, and yes Micron legends is still better than Armada, and megatron isnt really shallow as the english counterpart.

[@burningeagle1298]

This is the best final battle hands down there’s no super modes, no link ups, or Microns just a good old beat down whatever they got even using their own body parts.

[@duyphan4617]

Glad the dialogues are much longer than Armada version. Deep into the plot.

[@megazarak8089]

agreed, but this "outcome" is still ambiguous to this very day.

[@megazarak8089]

I'll definitely say this. This shows that "sub" and "dub" are different worlds.

[@NovasPizza]

Ghost Stories and Samurai Pizza Cats are golden proof.

[@megazarak8089]

@@NovasPizza interesting. More notable anime like that are Dragonball Z and Digimon.

[@NovasPizza]

Definitely ​@@megazarak8089

[@jarodnole4618]

​​@@megazarak8089 Actually they're right, Ghost Stories and Pizza Cats have very large differences to their dubbed versions compared to the likes of Dragon Ball or Digimon, not to say those two anime don't have their differences.

[@megazarak8089]

@@jarodnole4618 There are dub differences in Dragon Ball Z. (The mercy of Vegeta) and in Digimon movie dub is drastically differnt from the original.

[@DarkdustDragon]

Rewatching this battle makes me realise the visual storytelling taking place just with Optimus' upgraded design. The official statement is this colour scheme is a reference to Optimus Primal, hence the deep grey with red accents and eyes. On the context of the show though... it looks like a mixture of Optimus and Nemesis Prime. When does he get this colour scheme? Immediately after his confrontation with Unicron where Optimus fails to rebuke a single thing the former says, and immediately before his climactic battle with Megatron where he basically proves Unicron right. Hell, Unicron's comments about their natures being so similar echoing in his mind as the battle grows more intense just serve to hammer the point home. And then Optimus only gets more and more brutal as the fight progresses. Tearing off Megatron's antlers to use as blades, the almost berserker roaring and growling, culminating in what I can only assume is him trying to tear Megatron in half at the waist. And unlike Megatron, who is expressing his enjoyment of the battle by constantly laughing and smiling in a way that makes him look sadistically gleeful... even though Optimus says he enjoys it, he clearly doesn't LIKE that he enjoys it. It's almost less like he's trying to get it out of his system and more like he outright loses himself in it. Because here's the thing... up until this episode Optimus did a pretty good job of keeping this part of himself suppressed. He could have manhandled Megatron to convince him to fight Unicron but instead held back, trying above all else to give diplomacy a chance and only resorting to battle when he's forced to. In a sense, that's what happens here, because he can't convince Megatron to just let their feud go now that Unicron is gone. After all attempt at reasoning fails, he decides the only solution is to murder the slag out of Megatron. And in the process, he basically becomes Nemesis Prime. A darkly coloured, violent berserker whose vocalisations are mostly growls and snarls and who brutally dismembers his opponents. He only stops and regains his composure when, ironically, Megatron is the one to say, "Stop." If Megaton didn't do that, would Optimus have led up?

[@greatexkaiser1035]

It's definitely much more nuanced than Armada's "This is the only way to bring peace to the universe" reasoning for this battle. I like the idea that deep down, Convoy and Megatron are the same in terms of their love of combat. The only real difference between them comes from their reasons for engaging in said combat; and the fact that Optimus has the burden of the Matrix, which has always made it easier for him to put his duties as leader before his own urges.

[@DarkdustDragon]

@@greatexkaiser1035 I don't think the Armada scriptwriters trusted kids to appreciate the story Micron Legend wanted to tell.

[@Southhs]

I myself have wondered that, especially how his eyes changed from yellow to red - just like Nemesis.

[@jedder]

Hasbro really didn't think kids in the USA were ready for a flawed hero. And yet they tried to pawn Megatron off as a sort of good guy in the very end.

[@chimaeraarts]

​@@jedderdang an Optimus Prime as a flawed hero should have another go in transformers media again

[@jedder]

"The Matrix of Leadership. I don't deserve to wear it." I always hated that line cuz it never made sense in the context the English dub gave. Here, it makes sense.

[@SiM0n1755x]

To this day, I've yet to find one where either combatant resorted to using discarded body parts as improvised weaponry; damn shame this sort of ingenuity occurred at the end, and is hardly shown (if at all) by today's standards.

[@demogeymidge2997]

Gundam 08th MS team is the only one I can’t think of. The main mech rips off its broken arm and uses it as a flail on the enemy.

[@jarodnole4618]

And there's Kamen Rider Black Sun (however they're organic so-). Black Sun and Shadow Moon tear off each other's grasshopper limbs to use as swords

[@AdeptKing]

Dark of the Moon kind of did it.

[@katomamundara8106]

Happens in the recent Transformers comics made after your post, ironically.

[@sdmiii1102]

I absolutely love villains that get excited from fighting

[@klam05]

Probably best Transformers fight. Only bad side was that it was a quick fight

[@giglepiezon0323]

Yea and they removed convoy getting stabbed in the back with a post, im sick of that shit, and personal I would have liked to see convoys super-mode one last time.

[@マジンガーZ-u7t]

@@giglepiezon0323They also removed Megatron ripping off his tank cannon and throwing it at him.

[@superomegaprimemk2]

It's actually the second longest fight between the two leaders. The longest is in Galaxy force (Cybertron), though neither really holds a candle to the G1 movie fight !!

[@マジンガーZ-u7t]

1:39 Subtitle miss, should have said “Meaningless? There’s no meaning in battle to begin with.” Another one in 1:52 which should be “Even in those without power, a heart that hates evil will come to have great power eventually.”

[@kaihayase1205]

Had to come here Because......kiyoyuki yanada passed away

[@GG-in5zp]

Rest In Peace.

[@armoredvistitor2197]

9:43 that back breaker though there's gotta be a history of wrestling in transformers made someday because I keep finding more and more

[@祢津良徳-v6x]

コンボイとメガトロン、この2人の運命は決してまじわることはなく永遠に戦い続けていかなくてはいけない。それが、トランスフォーマーの宿命であり伝説となっていく。光と闇、善と悪が反発していくように！

[@daniellang4190]

Man this fight is brutal between two leaders

[@afifzahiruddinrohaizan52]

I can't say that I disagree but I understand Megatron's words. Eons of battle between Cybertron (Autobots) and Destron (Decepticons) can have a long lasting effect. Both sides feel the downside of war. They lost many comrades during the war, they've been dedicated to the cause that they may feel out of place into society like how a war veteran feels new that they are resigned, and while even though they now form peace, rift from that war still lingers within every Transformers in both factions causing prejudice and discrimination. They Destrons may have been built for combat and changing towards peace only downplays to what they purpose in life would be to them. Same goes to the Cybertron faction. They may be fighting for peace and to end rhe war, but there are some he would find difficult to cope into a peaceful society since they are combat built. Peace is negotiable but there are still hurdles that are to overcome for that to happen.

[@BrandonPettitt-bw1mj]

Truthfully I always liked Armada and Cybertron over Energon the storyline for both Armada and Cybertron were a lot better and more interesting and enjoyable than the storyline of Energon.

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

Cool! But er...... Another continuity error from Armada/Legend of Microns to Energon/Superlink: Hot Rod/Hot Shot does not become Rodimus Prime, and another Rodimus appears in .Energon/Superlink series.

[@greatexkaiser1035]

That's less a continuity error and more taking a different choice/direction with a character. This was an era that wanted to put a newer spin on Transformers, and that was just one of many choices resulting from that decision.

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

@@greatexkaiser1035 Still, it feels wrong to reduce both Starscream and Hot Rod to side character, while Optimus and Galvatron remains their place.

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

@smallrequirement So this plot inconsistency is again made by Hasbro marketing purpose?

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

@smallrequirement Yep, I know that one. Cybertron feels like nothing related to the previous two, much better to be viewed as independent story and universe.

[@wibu-saaaaan4203]

can someone tell me what this series name ? because I think I've watched this series on TV before but forgot the title

[@greatexkaiser1035]

In Japan, it's Transformers: Micron Legend, but in the U.S. it's Transformers: Armada.

[@wibu-saaaaan4203]

@@greatexkaiser1035 thanks for the info 👍

[@Royal_Zero]

@@wibu-saaaaan4203you should give the Armada a chance btw, Starscream stole the whole show with his dub and character plot

[@ユイヒイロ-r9x]

アニメイテッドラチェット「こんな手に汗握る戦いがあるやろか」

[@darreltembak3961]

Imagine this scene with TFOne's version of the characters.

[@トーキ-g8v]

I don’t think it’d work with ONE Prime and Megatron, ONE Megs hasn’t grown into a battlelusted war lord and Optimus still hasn’t grown his silent rage yet

[@catpin]

I use this background music for the English version of this is English dub.

[@HidaAtarasi]

Like an old married couple.

[@leo11lim]

Convoy almost bacame a fallen

[@josephoh5948]

❤

[@jackytran4885]

Convoy/Optimus primal vs Beast Megatron/galvatron

[@norrisjohnson6032]

Better fight scenes than DBZ

[@IT-Architect123]

Naruto*

[@buster5661]

It is odd they have mouths/teeth/tongues

[@Monsoon-r5n]

well in the japanese version they were rather human like. Terms as "birth" and in general the fact that they can sleep says a lot.

[@nathangitz2674]

@@Monsoon-r5n Not to mention that, unlike the Japanese, the English dub adds vocal filters to make the Transformers sound robot like.

[@trieunguyenminh341]

Xinh tên

[@FeZe1997]

why they call him convoy ong💀

[@kougamecs3876]

That's Optimus real name because he's from Japan

[@FeZe1997]

@ dude he is from Cybertrom

[@kougamecs3876]

@@FeZe1997 bruh I meant that Transformers as whole is a Japanese story

[@G2BattleConvoy]

Technically, no. Most of the original bios were written by American writers. While the Japanese Diaclone and Microman toys inspired the lore, Hasbro actually asked writers from Marvel at the time to write up bios for the characters. ​@@kougamecs3876