After the Fact: Luna's Archetype

[@shadowldrago]

She's been around for at least 1000 years, Silver, pretty sure that she INVENTED half of the dirty jokes in existence.

[@shadowldrago]

Exactly.

[@emeraldvulture9576]

Did you just reply to you’re own comment agreeing with yourself...?

[@tommoore2012]

@@emeraldvulture9576 I like to try and assume the better. I'm guessing he just did that to try and make his original comment more noticeable with a comment. I don't think there was any kind of narcissistic decision making in it.

[@ethanor]

Not much else to do when stuck on a moon

[@吃瓜群众-i6j]

@Alina Waterstraat r/woooooooosh

[@bryceh59]

My headcanon is that 'Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep' chronologically happened EARLIER that those other episodes you mentioned.

[@iceluvndiva21]

Well thanks to "Between Dusk & Dawn", "the gala" & "A Royal Problem"? We now we know why Luna never attends the gala. She knows her sister all too well and doesn't want to get mixed up in it. Plus spending night after night helping ponies with nightmares must be exhausting. Especially depending on how bad said nightmare is and if she has to help more than one pony. Plus she has to maintain the safety of the kingdom alone both in the waking world and the dream world. Yeah I wouldn't want to be at a stuffy gala only for it to turn to absolute chaos if I had Luna's job either.

[@Dill_Pickle1997]

I want to have a drink with this guy, on me, from one Luna fan to another

[@ApolloDev925]

If you can make it to colorado USA, Silver Quill is one of our regular guests at running of the leaves convention. You could offer him a drink but he can be very busy though he did have some down time last con in between panels. Running of The Leaves should be in September. Check for updates on our facebook page @ facebook.com/RotLCon/?fref=ts Please check us out. We also are starting to host monthly meetings. So if you can make it, you could do just that.

[@Dill_Pickle1997]

can't make it, I live in canada, and I believe I'm not old enough to cross the border

[@Midnight0Harmony]

Versipellis the rogue Changeling if your 18 you should be able to

[@Midnight0Harmony]

if your younger than 18 your two young to have a drink in either country

[@Dill_Pickle1997]

Well I am 19 but my only mode of transportation is my car, it does have great mileage but it would probably cost me 1K for a trip to there and then to get back home

[@flmafrank1726]

Luna in the beginning Luna: Are we really doing this? FanboySilver: Yep Luna: You can't be serious FanboySilver: I am Luna: Silver NO FanboySilver: Silver Yes

[@ShadowDJ94]

Source?

[@flmafrank1726]

ShadowDJ94 eh? What do you mean source?

[@iceluvndiva21]

I actually would like to see silver cover different characters in different shows.

[@marchaasa.k.a.tyrannexthed2425]

2:11 SILVER QUILL IS BLASTING OFF AGAIN!!!!!!

[@In_Spired]

XD ur the best!

[@SunsetShimmerStudios]

Eh, if Celestia is the mother I'd say Luna's more of a cool young aunt rather than a grandma

[@dawnforest1506]

XXlunixXX the whole video is about Luna not being the "grandma".

[@SunsetShimmerStudios]

Dawn Forest But the Crone trope is like a wise old lady which I can relate to a good grandmother. Silver said she was forced to be wise beyond her years because of her banishment but I'd say she's more like an aunt who has the same motherly love for you but also is more open and willing to give advice because you aren't her direct descendant.

[@iceluvndiva21]

You can be young and wise, just saying. The crone may be the sagely old person but the physical person can be the "fun young aunt".

[@hadarpohl8535]

Am I the only one who checked their volume the first 10 seconds?

[@MLPSilverQuill]

Oh dear. I hope the volume was down when the audio actually started. :(

[@hadarpohl8535]

MLP-Silver-Quill OMG YOU REPLIED!!! No, sadly, it wasn't. Scared me so badly 😆

[@cameoshadowness7757]

Hadar Pohl no. I paniced when the actual audio came in...

[@MLPSilverQuill]

I guess that's some unintentional trolling. Sorry!

[@hadarpohl8535]

MLP-Silver-Quill It's okay, still love this channel

[@topazdrake42]

*excited squeal at 3:12" The Fates! (my love of greek mythology at it's best)

[@isenokami7810]

As a Persona fan, I really like the archetypes represented by the 22 Major Arcana of the tarot deck. In this case, especially considering Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, Luna represents the Hierophant, an older character defined by an obsession with the past.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

I think you're a lot closer to the truth.

[@Thegr8MC]

Even though it's censored, I'm pretty sure the dirty joke is the same dirty joke that ruined mayonnaise for me.

[@akinmytua4680]

The Great MC do tell

[@lila0leila]

The Great MC tell the joke please, I'm curious

[@Mr95MASON]

i would like to hear it as well.

[@AquaDrops]

Omg.... Do I really want to know? Curiosity killed the cat...

[@akinmytua4680]

And satisfaction brought him back. Why does everyone the second part?

[@Dark2857]

The last picture at the end there made me blush a little bit too much....well played Silver Quill and artist Caroo

[@dracothedrangonful]

I didn't know a lot about Archetypes until I saw the video from the panel. This one helps me understand the Crone archetype better. Well done Silver. =) And I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

[@moonnighace113]

Silver.. you... you peculiar awesome hippogryh, I was dropping few tears after you said that Luna is always by there side, that really touch me, but the tears stop when you started laughing cause you finally got Luna's dirty joke.. your laugh is contagious, you got me xD thanks for always giving smiles, laughs and happy tears

[@lenax9798]

I wanna hug you for this Silver!!!

[@BatFlightThylacine]

At first I thought the sound was off, so I turned it up...then I nearly had my ear blown off by Silverquill's Luna fangasming.

[@brandonbulvan73]

And this is why I used nightmares moon as my picture

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

You always brighten up my day Silver-Quill. :)

[@TechHorse888]

Now I want to know what Luna's dirty joke was.....dammit SilverQuil!

[@andreamfairchild]

Nate W Thibodeau PLO

[@akemi-de-lol]

Dangit, me too! No fair Silver

[@iceluvndiva21]

I can think of a few things... Buuuut I don't want to get banned

[@lunaneoma3894]

Idk, just something that popped in my head in two seconds. "What is it called when a guy with an STD ej-----tes? A Sour Cream." 🥁 tss

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Something with mayonnaise and sour cream I'm guessing

[@DiceFTW273]

Huh... "The Crone", "The Mother" and "The Maiden"... why does that sound familia- O.O In the Discworld series it's mention that witches come in groups of three, "The Crone", "The Mother" and "The Maiden"... so... Luna is Granny Weatherwax and Celestia is Nanny Ogg...

[@AlexBadger]

sort of, although it's more that they have similar archetypes.

[@joholloway8818]

there are two kinds of SQ video: those that are great because of how fun and thoughtful they are, and the second is those he has yet to make/release.

[@acetrainerkat]

😢 silver quill you meanie. we wanna know the dirty joke too

[@briarpelt2333]

0:45 Moonlight Sonata in the background--nice :) 3:31 Yeah, I know who the three Fates are. I love Greek mythology. 4:58 Because fans like to make characters into themselves, or what they wish they could be. This is, I think, the reason that some see Luna as old and wise (such as myself), and others see her as young and childish.

[@RedDragonForce2]

I was waiting for that wink!! I KNEW you had to have in there somewhere. Great job, Silver!!

[@chocolatecello1483]

2:12 I see Luna has learned a thing or two from Celestia, if you look at the moon.

[@LazyClay1]

Another beautiful Luna video. Silver Quill, u never stop to amuse me.

[@Draftsman_MC1300]

Yes I am aware of the three fates.

[@pokeperson1000]

I love these character-centric after the fact videos. they're my favorite videos from you, with episode reviews (whether in quill or quilted form) coming as a close second.

[@ErikButterworth]

Nice work with your second video to celebrate Luna and the Winter Solstice, Silver Quill!! Great job!! Also, like your second video to celebrate Celestia and the Summer Solstice earlier this year, I am glad you included scenes of Luna from Season 6 in it as well. However, I would've felt better if you had left out those scenes of Chrysalis from To Where and Back Again when she was clinging to Celestia and Luna's cocoons when referencing the witch part regarding the definition of a crone. Those scenes will haunt me for a while since it was basically Celestia being cocooned back in A Canterlot Wedding, but made ten times worse with Luna, Cadance, Shining Armor, and the Mane Six being stuck in cocoons as well.

[@ArchyMageFoxy]

I feel like the dirty joke part would have been perfect for Aeon of Dreams to jump in XD

[@BBBHuey]

2:00 Wow... Never thought I'd see the day Silver Quill basically call Luna a witch xD

[@Littlecat3100]

Cab this be like a series? I really like the concept and presentation!!! And it would be fun to see this with the other ponies :)

[@pastelnerdette6897]

I have to say that this is by far my favorite content to date! Silver you did Luna justice and delivered something wonderful! Thank you!

[@gutsmasterson2488]

Death Battle, a Josh Scorcher Stream and now A Silver Quill video. It's a Hanukkah Miracle!

[@ryanbarham8464]

Now I NEED to hear the Sour Cream joke!

[@kitsunemomma]

Ryan Barham I'm with you on that one

[@animieluvr9732]

Great review as always. And it's good to see that you're not dead.

[@axeace1413]

Drinking game: watch all of Silver's videos and take a drink every time he says the word "archetype"

[@KosmoZer0]

When you started talking about the crone archetype I couldn't help but be constantly reminded of Toph from Legend of Korra, she really fits that role.

[@sithlordgaming01]

I noticed the “to kill a mockingbird” reference there and I was born in the 21 century.

[@justin89925]

you are welcome mr quill and for explaining this video because of this my love for luna has grown 20%

[@drockman92]

Gotta say, this was a great supplement to the convention video talking about archetypes in general. Great music, too.

[@beedolphin1]

Oh, I loved how you did this. Seeing different views is always interesting to me. I do hope to see more of these Archetype in your view and learn as well.

[@TheXander2004]

YES. A NEW VIDEO

[@Kayjoir]

These archetype videos are great.

[@Inoysha]

Wow... This was quite the informative video. My hat off to you Silver. Excellent work good sir.:D

[@stanleystrycharz2572]

Love the way you break down characters personalities! I hope you keep up the fun and informative videos.

[@Blazah99]

More archetype videos please, I thoroughly enjoyed what you have made here.

[@chaelihope822]

I knew who he was talking about when he mentioned the three fates and was geeking out.

[@victoriaiveson833]

thanks silver for posting. I love watching your videos and hope to see more soon.

[@v-r-gmorningmoon6733]

Loved this one silver! Thanks! Have a nice night!

[@NoLongerTwee]

Another AMAZING video, SilverQuill!

[@laundromatter1451]

I find this was a really neat video, especially considering that I just completed an assignment on archetypes for school! So thank you.

[@battlecross8540]

Karliene sang it best. "The Crone is very wise and old, and sees our fates as they unfold. She lifts her lamp of shining gold to lead the little children" Does this describe anyone else then Luna? This makes her not just a mentor greater then even Celestia but also shows her mark as a true leader. Well done my fine feathered fiend. Well done Indeed.

[@anniekitchen5744]

Nice video Silver and Merry Christmas!!!!!

[@Riath21]

It's nice to see you bring in the Maiden-Mother-Crone aspects Silver, referencing the Greek Fates was a nice touch. Though it would have been nice to hear a reference to it being spread throughout many ancient belief systems, but you did good sir. The crone is definitely one of the most misunderstood archetypes out there.

[@taddad2641]

That is pretty intersting. Albeit i do not think that luna torturing herself was necessarily undermining her. IT is a contradiction but many eople who do positive things may do something negative to themselves in the process. Fluttershy is well versed in that. However i have to wonder IF celestia could also be in part the crone as well. We do not know what she has endured but, as equestria may be a more positive place than our world by far, it is not without its strife. sometimes things go terribly wrong.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

And I think it was a bit subconscious torture and she did not consciously design she neened to be tortured. The Tantabus was born in a dram after all and they are your subconscious.

[@7Seraphem7]

^This.. she was not 'torturing' herself, the whole goal of her creating the Tantabus was not inflicting harm upon herself, it was to make sure she never allowed herself to forget what she did, to always remind her of the price for falling like that again.

[@bi_luna_games]

That is a form of torture, though. It's psychologically damaging and it's a form of self-harm just as dangerous as the act of physically harming yourself.

[@7Seraphem7]

Jess Miller No, the two are nothing even close to the same and trying to claim they are is one of the main cuases of people really over hating this episode. They are not identical. And the simple fact she WAS so perfectly able to interact, to do all she did, while still doing this, with absolutely zero impact on her outside of the dream that we can see... no this was not anything even close. Now yes it's not exactly the picture of perfect mental health, and was something she should not have been doing, but it is, in no conceivable way "Torture" she's giving herself some bad dreams... big deal. Further, it wasn't for the sake of hurting herself, her overall goal was to prevent herself from falling to Nightmare Moon's madness again. To prevent herself from making the same mistake, not to hurt herself just for the sake of hurting herself. It's more like somebody forcing themselves to look at a photo or video that reminds them of a very painful event where they fucked up bad, one that hurts to think about, but to make sure they never make that mistake again and forget the pain of having done so. Again yes not all together healthy and really should get some help, but nothing even close to what you are describing it as.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Please don't equate overly dramatized fictional characters and events with actual self-harm. It's not anything like that at all.

[@SourceOfBeing]

Do an After The Fact:Silver Quill!

[@jimjam528]

A very interesting interpretation of Luna, Silver. Oh, and as for that Greek mythology reference about the stages of life, don't feel bad. I'm sure Firebrand got it!

[@AlexBermann]

I appreciate the research done here. You reinded me I really wanted to read Jungs original works :)

[@CMSonYT]

fandom luna: the princess of cuteness.

[@RosieSievers]

Very thought provoking video Silver, I always wondered what archetype Luna was ^^

[@Rose-yx6jq]

I NEED TO hear that joke

[@viraltang]

You put more thought into the show than the actual writers of said show.Also the fact you are a fan of Kamen Rider makes me love you even more. Have you considered doing a video or two talking about said riders? I'm kinda curious to hear what you have to say about verious series and what not.

[@deathsheir2035]

You just made me love Princess Luna even more now...

[@georgiarosser8404]

That was cute, I'm happy you like Luna too.

[@n.b.eskerata1678]

Six hundred and sixty-sixth fave! Luna is best princess and this video was a treat to watch.

[@MrMarinus18]

4:40 That is indeed interesting. Luna is one of the very few ponies with an asymmetrical cutie mark.

[@bluefleet1655]

this was mostly on the serious talk with comedy added into it

[@otaku-sempai2197]

The Maiden, the Mother, the Crone. The Three Fates. The Three Norns of Norse mythology. The Lancre Coven of witches in Terry Pratchett's Discworld that represent the Triple Goddess. Granny Weatherwax, though, is anything but bawdy; that better describes Gytha Ogg.

[@Heartsongcreations]

I do wonder what has happened to this Archetype changed after everything that happened during Royal Problems and how that episode changes what the moral of Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep really happens to actually be. Also Silver Quill you never did say, Does Royal Problems satisfy you wish for a Celestia and Luna-centric episode as you asked during Slice of Life.

[@glendaliddel3142]

Silver relly loves doing these videos doesn't he

[@LadyCeag840]

Princess Luna is awesome!

[@ThatCrazySylveonIsAtItAgain]

I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE THREE FATES! I'VE BEEN STUDYING GREEK MYTHOLOGY SINCE I WATCHED DISNEY'S HERCULES!

[@jackofalltrades6129]

Silver, your words speak the wisdom of the old trickster, a silly man who has learned much in their lives. Your blood is a spectrum, and your mind is library run by clowns: disorganized but intelligent.

[@bluerose235]

Don't worry Silver, I knew about the three Fates...I'd just forgotten their names ;) I love these vids, can't wait for you to do another one :)

[@Nazo-kage]

2:18 what is this title music called?

[@nathanaeleisnerafc.4594]

I am searching the posts to see if there is an answer...

[@Tiger54658]

Same Nathanael....

[@EmeraldDragon]

I am kind of surprised you did not reference the Fae, since both the Summer and Winter Courts have the Maiden/Mother/Crone set up.

[@7Seraphem7]

Well, at least in Dresden.. which yes is rather close to a lot of folklore, but the actual folklore is varied enough, and like obscure enough... Fates are kind of the go to thing for this. Personally I would have gone with the Lancre Witches.

[@EmeraldDragon]

The Dresden Files (best series is best) did play it up more then most modern renditions. But the old stories of the Fae talk about them a lot as well. But you are correct that Greek Myth is more familiar to most people.

[@7Seraphem7]

EmeraldDragon Hell yeah Dresden! Also, all hail Pony/Dresden Crossover fics for getting me into the shear, raw WIN! that is Dresden Files!

[@RKStrikerJK5]

Nice video. Makes a lot of sense.

[@kotahope3850]

Okay I don't know about you guys and gals thoughts but I keep having a thought on Luna's episode 'Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep'. My thoughts on the episode when it came out was... That it was perfect. The way I see it, Luna is not overrated (In my opinion) but has doubt, She has shown to get over regret yet that doesn't intently mean its just gone. Sometimes the mentality of a person can never forget what we have done, so when we teach another and remember the memory it can feel numb. I see that the episode was a representation of what occurs when we accept what happen but don't let go to be exact. In the episode Luna explains that even after she accepted what she had done, she couldn't move past it and felt the need to punish herself for it. From this led the creation of her punishment the tatabis (or how ever you spell it) which became her overwhelming guilt. This is still my opinion, but I think Luna in this episode represents the part of the mind in people who sometimes feel they can't let go of some events that occurs in their lives. What are your guys/gals thoughts?

[@jessicastimpson2152]

Wait. I knew about the Fates' existence, but they have NAMES!?

[@FanOfMostEverything]

I do love the idea of Luna having a... let's go with Chaucerian sense of humor.

[@nathanaeleisnerafc.4594]

What is the music playing while the title is showing just after he gets blasted into the moon, at 2:17?

[@MrTNK100]

You know it's going to be a great video when Silver Quill is blasted off the screen with in the first 2 minutes...

[@seliawolf4266]

maiden, mother, and crone?? WICCA INFLUENCES CONFIRMED!!!

[@redbeard3574]

The Maid, Mother, and Crone remind me of the lifecycle of the Asari from Mass Effect. First, you have the Maiden Stage: A young woman full of energy going out into the galaxy in search of adventure. Then, they reach the Matron Stage: Adopting a more grounded and nurturing personality. And, eventually, the Matriarch Stage: Becoming a wise and learned woman who gives advise to anyone who asks for it.

[@aaronsullivan3174]

Is it sad that I was not only able to piece together Luna's joke at 6:37, but come up with MULTIPLE ways of saying it?

[@matheuscoutinho8590]

really love your work SIlver!!! you're the best!! i really wanna see you talking about the changelings,them have a wonderful origen in myths, our about Quenn Chrysalis... a chrysalis archetype perhaps.... Fan from Brazil

[@Wissle]

I forgot to watch it and now the Spike one reminded me. Educative and funny, very well done! Am I the only one who wants to know the dirty joke? :P 10:43 I've seen worse ships :P

[@milliehempstead3531]

There was so much craziness in this

[@RossPitSharkHunter]

I'm always waiting on your next review, annoyed by how you don't get to them on time(though, don't get me wrong, I understand why), but damn, your editorials are great.

[@1969ubik]

Okay, show of hands, how many started thinking Game of Thrones/ ASOIAF when Silver mentioned the Maid, The Mother and The Crone?

[@MLPSilverQuill]

True story: I originally shifted gears to talk about Orlenna Tyrell when discussing the hag. I decided to hold off because that would muddy the focus on Luna.

[@1969ubik]

MLP-Silver-Quill Now all I can think of is Luna laying a verbal smack-down Tyrell style.

[@Teengirl-vz9sx]

MLP-Silver-Quill love your vids now I want to go watch season 6 again. You inspire me but I am to shy have any advice if if I want to start doing mlp vids? 😔 I am like fluttershy but fav pony is rainbow dash.

[@izzyj.1079]

I know my advice bears alot less weight than Silver's. But speaking from personal experience, I recommend just doing it. Alot of the nerves I had when starting out were things that were fixed mostly by experience, and there really is no better teacher than that. But experience can only be gained by taking action, doing. And you can't ever get over whatever fears or insecurities you posses without facing them. If things start to look overwhelming, take a break. Then find something to inspire you, watching Silverquill for instance in your case. And then act on that inspiration to continue your own work. Now don't be over-expecting. Odds are, you're not going to be Silver when you first start out. But alot of the fun in creating content comes in learning and exponentially making a name for yourself in the process. With that, I wish you luck in whatever endeavors you decide to take.

[@mackenziesoli4352]

Sidral Mundet 10:42... SHIP!!

[@arcane_sigil_01]

I want to know what she told you as that joke, Quill. Luna is my favorite princess, and if she can be dirty enough to make YOU want to bleach your brain, I want to know what she said.

[@mis.astrid2635]

that cat meowing was Me saying "Get on with it. at lest I renember them. there are like The norns from Noridic mythology.

[@karsten69]

I really feel that this one line would have prevented Nightmare Moon, "Dear Princess, while you may see your subjects dancing and laughing in your sister's glow... That doesn't diminish our revenrece for you, your majesty. for yoru presence enables us to do something much more profound, we allow ourselves to relax, to lower our defenses, to find comfort and rest, knowing that your guidance keeps us safe."

[@JoeEnglandShow]

Very insightful.

[@rndmpinkiepie64]

3:11 Me, externally: "I do!" Me, internally: "but you don't, SSG. You don't"

[@elizabethcarroll8012]

*crickets chirping* I feel you, Silver. Hey, at least I'M up to date on my Greek mythology.

[@skurvay3429]

The "Dream of Magic Sheep" episode was probably one of those many episodes that was meant to air as part of Season 3, but was delayed due to both Twilight becoming an Alicorn Princess, and Season 3 being cut short for the Development of the Equestria Girls side of the Franchise.

[@martylaren11]

Great work as usual Quill. Btw, I lost my pin in the fire, but I would buy a new one if I could, preferably signed again

[@007purpleroses]

Thanks for this; more archetypes, please! :)