MMO Podcast - Throne, Lost Ark, BDO - ft.

[@KanonXO]

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[@vshynobi]

Stoopzz spitting facts around the 30minute mark. They need more pve content for those that do not pvp in a big guild

[@lifescaption]

Love how casual and goofy, yet relatively objective this cast was.

[@dimitrisschizas9345]

@lifescaption yeah emphasis on how much objective it was...

[@gearhead417]

Like if BDO added a Bloody Tower style game mode where you could really flex your combat skills against different packs of enemies and different bosses that would improve the game so much.

[@ajjames1960]

blue laugh is contagious, its fun to watch someone laugh like that you also laugh out of nowhere too lol

[@bluesquadronlive]

[@HarukanoF20C]

For the eclipse in TnL I had read this somewhere but generally speaking, a good fix would be to make it a double edged sword. If the guild that uses it pops it on a world boss that guild instantly becomes hostile to EVERYONE on that server and perhaps make it when a player from that guild dies they get locked out of that boss room until the eclipse is over. That way it ups the stakes for using it and you can't just pop it without proper planning and coordination prior. It will also force everyone else on the server to want to team up and gank that guild and in return pull a uno reverse card. I know they were saying they are gonna make portals mid november to prevent it but that's just one idea.

[@Rev3rence]

The pay2win discussion was so derailed... "T&L is pay2win because I PERSONALLY feel the urge to spend which I haven't elsewhere" is not an objective argument to a game being pay2win, it's actually not even any argument because you wanting to pay for something doesn't translate to the gamr being pay2win. Pay2win means you need to spend to reach the endgame reliably in a decent time frame, or, that whales will always have an edge over free2play. This is simply not the case for T&L, as kanon said, you can reach fairly fast endgame even as a free2play and you are not locked out of any content (atm) in T&L without paying.

[@GrinsGrave]

Agreed , I myself reached 3,700 with one of my characters im F2P and I only play on average 3 hours a night It just takes planning, not making build that don’t work or aren’t viable and being a discipline person and you’ll be fine

[@agentchronos1443]

Whoa worlds collide. Good job gents!

[@dramslife]

Watched it through. Used to listen to a few different podcasts and everything seems political. This was awesome man, keep em coming.

[@FedDonovan]

They need to put more Pve content for people like me and others who prefer just playing PVE and let you guys kill each other right? And that's it

[@gearhead417]

The problem with the eclipse mechanic is that there is no risk for using it. The person who can use it is already in the top guild/alliance. So they arent risking anything. Its a major snowball effect. I think if there needs to be a reward for players who are negatively effected by the eclipse to warrant them participating. Instead of locking everyone out only those who are part of the eclipse guild/alliance should be locked out if they die. You want to invade a peace boss? Well than instead of it just being open pvp maybe they should become hostile to everyone else and that will allow for some better situations where it doesnt feel like 1 group is screwing over the server and wasting everyone's time.

[@xSKOOBSx]

I feel the same way blue does, I play throne way too much and I have max contracts. Theres so much to do.

[@Jraffneck]

At 31:00 stoopzz makes such a good point about the small scale pvers I’m sure we would all love to join in with more pvp but it’s just soo daunting having to join an all or nothing pvp hardcore group or guild the game definitely needs something more small scale for us to do and hopefully the new content they are bringing addresses this 🤘

[@Brosephv]

Dominion events are a good way to dip ur feet

[@Jraffneck]

@ aye I mean I already do most of the pvp content with guild and such just not on that huge scale that the “big” guilds get to experience so will be great to have “more” ya know

[@khaeld091]

BDO's combat system is amazing at its finest. However, the overall system and gameplay aren't as strong. As Stoops mentioned, you need to use the combat system effectively, not just in PvP. This design doesn't really appeal to players who enjoy both PvE and PvP casually. One aspect I dislike in BDO is the build system, including stats like evasion (eva), damage reduction (DR), etc. These builds feel niche because a single patch can shift the meta, which limits the fun of trying different builds and can significantly impact your favorite class with just one nerf or buff. Now, imagine BDO's combat system paired with TNL's PvE system-that would be ideal for me. I also appreciate TNL's power-up system; while there's a pay-to-progress element, it's not overly punishing to free-to-play (F2P) players because the currency (Lucent) they spend is also available in the market, keeping the economy moving. What I don't like in TNL is the guild zerg things and alliance thing. This might be a reason to kill the game and have less competition. They should do something about it in a long run.

[@Yxar]

TnL def. needs more content for smaller guilds. I already gave up (was leader for a small guild) tried to recruit for guild bosses but was impossible. So game might be too late for me. Also why are better geared and single dps centered getting all the "peace" boss loot? What the heck kinda system is that? Game is probably awesome for hardcore ones. But for everyone else its kinda lackluster in a huge way. Love the game although so hoping for a change, but we will see. Also now the loot is not worth anything anymore on auction, probably because of bots. But ah well, through my complaining hoping for a change. Cheers and thank you for a nice podcast :)

[@epictcg4424]

People saying BDO is dead? Honestly the game is not dead it gets about 10k concurrent player. But it was always around 10k to 30k players anyways and fluctuate. I always go back to bdo when they drop a new character.

[@aldodzb]

Well it's 10k across the all the regions. How many are there, like 6? So it's 2k per server?

[@epictcg4424]

@@aldodzb Its not 10k across all the other server lol? The server alone in na boast about 10k lol Its one of the highest played MMO , always in the top 10 or even top 5 still active community for mmo

[@aldodzb]

@epictcg4424 steam says 12k right now, that's all the regions combined. Eu, na, sa, sea, turkey, oc, etc

[@FoxFoxxxxx]

NCsoft might have proven they can make what the players want long term with Lineage II tho. even if it is just in the east 1:35:00

[@psddesignernet]

- Getting more PVE content is a must - Reducing eclipse to be used once a day should be fine - Alliance and Hostile systems needs to go... maybe keep it only for castle sieges but outside that it hurts the entire game. On our server like 700 people are playing together and its impossible to do anything. - In Arena we should have a basic gear without traits to make fights equal. In open world the gear can be activated. - Get rid of Dimensional tokens... we wanna farm dungeons, nobody likes limits

[@pikausp]

I am glad the limit exists. I don't wanna feel like I have to run the dungeon for 8 hours a day or I'm falling behind

[@pedzod1761]

@@pikausp Agree if it's no limit drop rate will be decrease too or there will be too much item in auction.

[@caidenlawson5695]

1:10:00 did he not watch the news about how they are fixing that they are making portals so we go straight to the boss from the entrance

[@lifescaption]

@@caidenlawson5695 this chat took place prior to the release of that update

[@caidenlawson5695]

@@lifescaption ooh dang unlucky i want another episode

[@YoidRage]

They should change world conflict bosses into instanced events with portal(s). Make it like dominion events, the whole area is PvP with spawn platform and the 3 spawns but without the teams. Solo players/small guilds could dive in and gamba tap the boss and but at least they got spawn protection if guilds are camping the 3 spawns. Or they could go around & try to solo dive bomb guilds that are running in. Maybe increase boss health for longer pushes&holds. The number of boss portals could be based on server population to combat zergs, guilds either split up or go all in one/

[@basedgod8636]

Can we get some time stamps

[@Sleeptic]

I’d love some timestamps going forward! ❤

[@Jraffneck]

Not gonna lie I hated the Amatoi stuff in game but really want and irl plush of one now 🤣🤣🤣

[@hellbender27]

I enjoy the contracts.

[@caidenlawson5695]

1:47:26 they forget it depends on what severs you play on atm in my sever if you spend $20 you can aslmost max out a peace of gear and if you play on a higher price sever you can make alot more and sell them and buy skins and battle passes alot easier for f2p

[@fallenn420ttv]

In response to the Zerg topic here’s my take/ last night fighting tevant our alliance and the opposing alliance where so busy infighting each other off that a small guild just came in and was doing mostly boss dmg and they ended up winning both drops! So being the small guys doesn’t mean your out just requires much more finesse 😊

[@ElectriczZ]

the alliances you fought either hate each other way too much or they are stupid tbh. this would've never worked against my alliance

[@Donni8]

Fake news

[@aldodzb]

Nonsense, they just hit a tiny %. People fly to the archboss, hit, revive and repeat.

[@wolfhowllionheart9367]

Not every region in eu there is worlds with just 2 guilds dominant

[@FedDonovan]

increase droprate from world chest from 0.3 to 1percent

[@Jonny-fj6pm]

I was loving the podcast into the fucking started talking about plushy come on guys get back on the game 😂😂😂

[@bongbing00]

easy fix for eclipse, add a shield for 30 sec once eclipse pops, solo pve players can do tp immunity till portal..guilds can go ahead and zerg it out. I know they added portals outside the dungeons in their recent update but it just ruins the whole point of eclipse. im also a solo player, i just find eclipse thrilling. tp immunity is busted, only the noobs will complain sadly.

[@cosminmocanu5254]

they didnt add any portals. That should come mid november. I dont like doing my schedule around a peace event just to get fucked over by some dude that abused bots to get 10k kills to be no1 on the kill leaderboard

[@Faeryx]

The intro is so good lmao.

[@sirmalof3255]

What killed me with Lost Ark, is having 9 alt, and having to do all of them. That burnt be out. Combat is okay, but there is no "real" pvp other then 3v3 and stuff like that. BDO has the best combat mechanics, but you play solo 95% of the time. They try to make dungeons, but characters were not built to be played in group, so you end up playing alone an MMO. The open world wars are the best though. Thrones and Liberty, the combat system is the worse, but you play with people 95% of the time. You have huge zerg, but personally, I hate it because it doesn't really test your skills. We'll see where Thrones and Liberty goes from here. This is where I am at.

[@LilLilly410]

Im sure siege is fun. Us kicked out of guild for bein console players wouldnt know tho kanon :]

[@AmazingBreadEdits]

Wonder what’s their opinion on new world

[@Muhammad-Jacobs699]

They are not addressing the MASSIVE ELEPHANT in the room regarding P2W. BDO with the Sovereign weapon update singlehandedly made BDO the most P2W to ever exist. Kanon would not know this fact since he stated recently he hasn't played BDO for several months now. If you don't believe me, why would PA apologise for it on stream? The only fact against it would be someone saying "There's no real pvp in bdo anymore, so all p2w becomes invalid"...

[@johnsenttv]

TaL is Dead #onlyajoke 😂 thanks for that Video ❤

[@lubu1592]

your editor didnt figure out the time stamps

[@legenderry25]

Storage is too fcking expensive in throne... Its storage for fck sake..

[@sYneeK742]

When did they record this

[@methioswar2916]

I like grindy games, and i like BDO. But i just dont like the insta gib pvp. liked it better pre-awakening.

[@basedgod8636]

Did these guys just say TnL will die before the shithole that is lost ark and BDO? TnL is better than both

[@Truthforeals]

People will always be biased to the games they committed a lot of time to unfortunatly.

[@mrfish229]

I think it will, I'm trying to get as much as I can out of the game before that. You're underestimated how much a bad reputation like NC or Amazon can hurt, if people want to hate you they will find every little think to justify it. The main complains are the same from the beginning, combat and p2w; now with big zerg alliances small groups are dropping like flies. The game doesn't have a long list of issues but they are just so glaring that overshadows the good part. It didn't launch with big numbers either, even with Amazon paying streamers and already dropped half of the playerbase in less than a month, let's see where it stabilize i guess.

[@kocur1350]

this game is way worse than bdo has been for at least 5 years. TnL is at most semi-casual pvp game that don't need any individual skill nor class knowledge. It is just simple to play, because the combat in this game is soooo un-skilled. There are too small amount of active skill on the bar etc. (not to mention that this is tab target for disabled people who can not play with movement as an advantage). BDO's combat is 1000x better than tnl's combat could ever be.

[@FedDonovan]

Cannon you definitely upset about the eclipse question and it is and it needs to be reworked. Actually they already did by putting a portal to go to the PvE side because you guys were bullying people in being guilt that were not big

[@Blochr379]

Timestamp Plz

[@hieromonk120]

Why aren’t your podcast on Apple podcast app!?

[@A.Steeeve]

🤣👍👌

[@jacklee6139]

Downfall of BDO was boss armor look ass and no dungeons

[@dimitrisschizas9345]

I like all of you but you are all really bad at the monetization, and please don't cater to your favorite game and be objective

[@RipedGames]

These guys aren’t politicians lol

[@xSKOOBSx]

eclipse also doesn't make the bosses conflict bosses like was stated, it makes the space between the door and the boss instance a pvp zone. and theyre changing it so people can port directly to the bosses, so the carebears can stop crying. Also, world pvp is not fun when you are in an unstoppable zerg. I don't get why people love that so much, its like wanting to spawn camp in battlefield. Thats as boring as being the people getting spawncamped.

[@mrfish229]

Now imagine it being both, being killed by an unstoppable zerg and getting pushed out of the "only" peace boss they can do. And it's true eclipse can be used to stop just one boss but it's always on prime time aka when most people are online lol Of course they will listen to complaints the game already dropping so much players, I think it's a healthy change but feels weird and obviously poorly implemented but we weren't even having fun gatekeeping people and most members felt bad doing so. Also now the ability is more on par with the other 2 that were supposed to give a small advantage.

[@creeziii9649]

bdo is literally dead already

[@-papi2timez898]

It’s crazy, I tried it back in 18-19 and it had a good amount of players. Nowadays when I wanna try it again it really is a -- desert.

[@xzeraCS]

i mean 10k alone on steam not counting console is pretty healthy

[@bp4861]

I would a started playing it one day but I was like why the fuck is this free game now 10 bucks nah I'm good.

[@Dutchy_87]

Nah. Dead is where no one is doing endgame content and only a few hundred concurrent. People are literally still doing endgame content in bdo. That’s a bad take there. Big yikes

[@dreadfiend1554]

@@Dutchy_87 What are you talking about, endgame content is completely dead in BDO, 90% of the remaining pvp guilds quit when TL came out rofl.

[@Havie]

This debate about P2W is way too focused on human psychology of spending small amounts of money here and there. Put that aside - assuming you have self control CAN you compete against someone who spent their entire bank account? The answer is yes. That ceiling is capped. That's the P2W question . Can you or can you not compete against p2w players as f2p

[@dayoftherope1690]

That and how much time does paying really save you

[@mrfish229]

I mean yeah you can compete with whales without paying but wouldn't call it as f2p, more like unemployed because of the amount of time you need to put into the game

[@Echo22-i2s]

"CAN you compete against someone who spent their entire bank account? The answer is yes" The answer is, it will take you literally months, assuming you don't get super lucky over and over again. The game is PW2 on a massive scale considering this is a pvp game. It is what it is. There is no debate.

[@jANMxRin]

i have 3660 like gearscore, full trait, skills are going and i spent 20 bucks ​@@Echo22-i2s

[@AccendinoMCM]

@@Echo22-i2s not really, Im almost maxed out with BiS gear, just finishing traiting the last items as I need more trait unlockstones, and I didnt even buy early access. So it took me 1 month. Extremely f2p friendly.

[@babananabanana9163]

If anything, BDO gonna die first imo.... the only thing that PA are capable of is just milking their fanbase.... Sure NCsoft trackrecord is not good, but theres GW2 which still popular, AION/LN2 has a huge fanbase still. BDO has no direction, the only thing that can revert its demise is rework everything... from gearing up, PVP system, PVE content... What is so addicting from BDO ? Grinding ? Do you really like being treated as a hamster in a wheel ? Getting kicked in the balls by geared player while youre trying to have fun after a hard day of work ? The class balances is FUCKING HORRIBLE, even after (almost) 10 years they still cannot balance it to the point where its ALMOST equal. Do they even do math ? At this point they're the Star citizen of Korean MMO. Sure the season character help... but does it really ? I'd say that the season character is the stairs that lead you to the hamster wheel instead of letting you enjoy rest of the content BDO can provide. 0.056% chance for a pen Fallen god armor with 4k cron stone needed ? Is that even achievable? YOURE A MORON BLUE All of them is pay to win, but BDO is the worse offender of them all. Theres no gear cap, you can sell costume to buy tet fallen god armor or black star. (sure theres a limit on how much you can spend on the west, but its not the rule for other region. so your argument is kinda invalid)

[@wolfhowllionheart9367]

The cope hear though bdo is dead

[@JacobBriscoe-o1c]

blue passive aggresive, stoppz passive agressive back. weird relationship lol. you just chillin

[@SkyLimitTheory]

I thought there was a lot of interrupting and talking over each other as well

[@DannyWelds-m6p]

First one!

[@BLVCKLOTUS86]

BDO is dead Don't even want to log on anymore after the gear builds in Throne and Liberty.

[@tokyodrifttt]

Kanon is not even trying to hide his bias anymore. Defending the daily contracts? What the fuck just say it’s mind numbing let boring. It’s okay to point out a flaw. TL excels in other aspects. He’s literally dancing around words like a politician.

[@Truthforeals]

All mmorpgs have boring content, so arguing over this is just pointless.

[@tokyodrifttt]

@ Let me reword. After watching the interview with peon and this podcast, I notice anytime they bring up even a small flaw in the game (lightheartedly or as an offhand comment), Kanon would immediately go into lecture mode and defense mode. Im pointing out how ridiculous it is because he is reacting as if it was a personal attack on him. Nobody said the game is bad. I didn’t say they need to dive in depths into the dailies amd if other MMOs have boring content. I’m not sure if you misunderstood me.

[@bryson8918]

3 p2w korean mmos lol

[@lamp6381]

comparing TL to both lost ark and bdo is literally crazy. It also shows you haven't even played the game lmao

[@epictcg4424]

BDO p2w is the least worst now. 😆 the other 2 heavily p2w cause gears matter.

[@lamp6381]

@@epictcg4424you’re off your meds bro. The fact that you can go down a level or have your item destroyed for failing an upgrade is alone worse than either LA or TL.

[@epictcg4424]

@@lamp6381 I dont know what you mean but it seems like you havent been playing BDO. The only hard part about the game is getting t5 acc. Other than that everything else is easy. lol Also thats why BDO P2W is not as bad. TNL if you drop 200 and are lucky with drop , you're pretty much good to go. Or drop 400 to 500 and you will be bullying people if you want. Not in BDO though, you cant drop 500 dollar and expect to steam roll people. The game pvp mechanic = you actually gotta have skills. So even if you manage to P2W (costing you thousands of dollar) but you suck at pvp you're getting clapped ez by F2P peeps. BDO made everything easier to obtain and get. Hell, they even gave away BIS weapon. Made BIS acc easier to get. Made upgrading armor and weapon easier. Only hard party is the acc cause they can break. Imagine P2W and getting clapped by someone thats softcap free to play. Its easy to get soft cap cause of season event in BDO. Also aren't that the reason why people is saying BDO is dying cause they're making everything easier and the P2W and hardcore players are crying? lol With that said, BDO is less P2W than TNL.