Current Meta Class Tierlist / Rating List (Throne & Liberty)

[@KanonXO]

Open Beta 3 days away! Streaming Throne non-stop to and thru the beta @ twitch.tv/kanonxo - come join our guildsand community!

[@tlfhrksp]

Thank you Kanon and guests. Keep it up!

[@Vitinh0]

I wish you did a separate tier list for casual gamers that wont have those Archboss OP weapons or just wont "p2w" in TL...

[@jorrypaillant409]

From what i’ve Seen, TnL isn’t P2W. You can have a slighter advantage spending early on, But you will be caught up by non paying players very quickly. It’s all about if the Gamer plays seriously. Now if your casual playing 2 hours a day. You won’t succeed in any MMO. MMO Games require you to play a minimum of 5-6Hours a day to never fall behind even whales. And that’s taking it seriously, If you are casual, and from my understanding of what people mean as casual, they tend to admit they only play maby 2 hours a day, if not every other day, and never watching videos on what’s META and never attempting to do any end game boss dungeons out of fear of not making the cut and holding others back. Again, You can play a MMO like this… But you aren’t actually playing the game, it’s like buying GTA 5 Online, And never doing any of the missions and just doing the random phone call side jobs to make money. Your playing the game yes, you can even enjoy it like this yes, But you aren’t actually experiencing the game how you are supposed to

[@jorrypaillant409]

Now me saying playing a MMO game for minimum 5-6 hours a day, people will say “Get a life” or “I have a life i don’t have time for it”. But that is the same people playing COD from sun up to sun down daily, Playing GTA all day everyday, Playing GoW for hours on end. It’s the same exact thing. You play for 5-6 hours minimum on any game you take seriously when you can make time for it. And it’s a normal behavior until the game seems to be a MMO. Not saying you will make this rebuttal to what i said, but im stating this now, So the keyboard geek who thinks stating as such is adding to the conversation. Doesn’t. MMO’s require just as much time. Casual gaming for non MMO games seems to be 6 hours plus every other day, Casual gaming for MMO seems to be categorized as 2 hours everyday or every other day. So to answer your fears. Try TnL for free upon release and see for yourself

[@UnknownAdventurer]

Although it has pay to win there isn't going to be anyone that spent hundreds of thousands of dollars that's going to have an advantage over someone that has spent the time and got the gear themselves without paying. The only advantage there will be is they will get the gear earlier than the person that is spent the time with a guild.

[@Tenkin211]

​@@jorrypaillant409 should watch the other videos, its pay to win and getting patched to be more pay to win.

[@jorrypaillant409]

@@Tenkin211 Yeah i’ve seen tons of videos covering the game including multiple other youtubers going over the new public release patch. And i have to say, there is not a single MMO i’ve played that has implemented what T&L is going to upon official launch, They are blocking all players from being able to access the Market Place until level 40, Max level is 50. that is a huge blockade to Whales, The main reason games like BDO for example simply failed to stop Whales is because you can literally access the market place and obtain top notch gear off the rip, And that’s terrible. I know, I was becoming a Whale on that Game, infact all my gear is bought with money, I didn’t work for nothing in that game especially when i made my Fith Character. Stopping people from being able to splurge off the start of the game on market place items forces players to grind since the beginning to get access to it. By the time someone reaches level 40 That has 0 intentions to grind on the game, they will quit, Not every whale simply splurges, if they can avoid it they will. So it’s a good deterrence to those that don’t wanna grind just wanna get boosted to power houses. Next, The game is heavily focused on giving you a reason to work on life style skills, Cooking for example, You need to grind it hard to be able to sell anything on the market place, And if you can grind hard on Cooking and sell good food items the whales buy from you and you can use that in game money to buy better gear. The Whales will be funding the hardcore gamers to continue being better than them. BDO also tried this, But tbh, BDO isn’t new player friendly, Everyone on that game is vetted, too much mechanics and politics to make a freshy wanna play it. Ofcourse i’m not saying the game can’t become P2W, But as far as i seen with the changes they made in that official launch patch, There isn’t any real indication a Whale can wallet crusade their way over everyone. Yes this can change in the future, NC soft has been listening to all the CBT players since active play to make changes and it’s clear they have. Who’s to say they won’t feel the need to listen to whales wanting better P2W advantages or to have any implemented. But again, for right now, i just can’t agree with the game being P2W. But that’s just my opinion since i became a P2W douche in BDO a few years back, Never will i spend so much on a game anymore to get unfair advantages over others without grinding to reach that point. I feel T&L will be a great MMO to get back into after quitting all MMO’s after BDO and ESO downfalls.

[@felixpwny6794]

Thank you for all the content over the years... be it bdo, LostArk, TL or whatever... It's always good quality stuff you put out there. And not like 10 Tier lists within the last week just to fetch more viewers, like a shitload of other channels push out right now... Keep up the good work. And i wish you a lovely global-start in 2 months 🙂

[@Saint_Cuthbert]

Totally new to this game (interested due to my GW2 WvW love) and this was really useful. Thanks guys!!

[@NeonWiz]

so does it matter which weapon you have set as your primary and secondary? for example is SNS GS better than GS SNS or the other way around?

[@weirdodude1173]

Epic tier list, thanks!! Thumbs up.

[@ThroneandLibertyEu]

good work you arethe only one that making it o detailed, thx a lot , bc of you i will have a good start , study every video from you

[@DaveLecian]

Which weapon combos are good/trash without the Archboss weapons?

[@YuniKR64]

Another Bow/Staff issue that can disappoint some players is the lack of mobility. The passives requires to not move to max out the dps

[@ofensatul]

yep

[@michaelcarver5994]

Same for lbow/cbow but imo, it's actually why I recommend this HIGHLY to most ppl on global release. Please stay as far from the boss as possible, and only move when absolutely needed. It's not only easier than a melee loadout to survive but also lets you take a bigger view to boss mechanics and bosses as a whole. Making you gain game sense a lot faster. Same could be said for pvp if mobility wasn't such an easy way to get focused.

[@casediedwell5094]

Watched this being recorded, had HIGH hopes that this list would help me finally Settle on my Class Pick... But NOOO... BOTH my top picks have the SAME Scores (High scores at that!) so... Thanks for the Great Video that didn't help ME at all, lolrip... teehee... TL BETA HYPE!

[@danielshade5085]

lol what are your top two picks? Might be same as mine

[@casediedwell5094]

@@danielshade5085 SnS/DG(GS) and L.Bow/DG(Wand)

[@kohtas]

Don't get too focused on meta, shit always changes in these games. What is the best now will be the worst later on and so on, find something you enjoy the playstyle of and just stick with that. Everyone will have to eat the shit sandwich eventually, better to play something you'll actually really enjoy the playstyle of.

[@sportschool3537]

@@casediedwell5094 I was leaning towards a Long Bow/Dagger build cause I know SnS/Bow is not viable even though it's such a cool combo of weapons visually... but now I think I'm going with SnS/Dagger... I fucking love SnS as a visual and a mobile, evasive tank sounds really fun... plus I think my character will be kind of a Lagertha this time around (female shield maiden warrior... I'm a huge fan of the Vikings TV series)... so it really fits the narrative cause for me that's a huge thing in MMOs... my character has a always a narrative and identity, I hate people who make random characters without caring... I'm really nerdy about that stuff

[@djacob9800]

I'm new, I really enjoyed watching this, it was long but interesting, I'm coming from deceased new world, I hope you do another video near global release with the upcoming skill update if it changes alot of the builds, I'm torn between sns greatsword and crossbow dagger.

[@charalamposkallimanis9609]

Thank you for this video. It represents my idea of what I want to play.

[@RoninRyae]

Watch in live too, i think that video will help me to choose weapons xD nice video kanon

[@GrentonCasts]

@@RoninRyae I miss you

[@UnknownAdventurer]

I would love to see this video updated with the new changes to boss weapons and roles

[@lamp6381]

I know you didn't go over Staff/Wand dps but where would that land for PvE?

[@clementguitard6653]

to sum up since you want to be efficient theres literrally only 3 "classes" : tank "knight" (shield with gs or wand for high survability), healer "mage" (staff wand for support) and dps "rogue" (dagger with cb for high crit).

[@Fugasnaya]

If someone is playing with a controller like on console, would that be particularly limiting for certain combos? Like Crossbow/Dagger for example. Which combo would feel best on a controller?

[@Captain-Roses]

I'm playing on Xbox looking good for me, also I'm planning to publish console gameplay, guides and tier list videos on my channel! Let me know if you need any help.

[@chrisbaddabum]

hi, how good is a full evasion tank sns/dagger after the patch. i search some infos but all what i see ist oneshot staff/dagger crossbow/dagger or gs/dagger. is the time over for outtanking someone and the game is works pvp wise only with this 3 wombocombo oneshot classes. have sns dagger any kill/survival potential? hope for a answer. thx

[@legitlvl10]

I tried it last night I have to say im very intrigued

[@aleksejszuks3729]

Guys, would be Great to update information about Your opinions, maybe at least as a similar table, with skill adjustments from latest update. Plan to start playing on of.server in EU, so want to get deeper in our duo party build. Have been planning to run as SNS/dagger and Wand/staff. Now, with skill adjustments would like to know bout overall changes. Thank You

[@vitt4300]

Are you able to build into 3 weapons? For example can you play sword n shield / greatsword and also level up a wand for later use?

[@ThePalmerdrum1992]

Does the Bellandir xbow still usable after nerf? how much tick (so stack x3) per second does it?

[@Monkeymelon6]

Very good video, thanks for this content. I have a question that I haven't seen anyone address, does it matter to do the build if I have, for example, daggers in my main hand and a crossbow in my secondary hand and vice versa? I have seen guides and according to the order of the weapons, different abilities are assigned and I want to be sure of the differences to choose the order correctly,what position is better un dagger and crossbow? thank you!!

[@MrDMaki83]

I continue to be undecided, in a start, Leveling, where I wanted to use sword and shield and then at 50 move to a Paladin build, would it be better to use daggers or greatsword? I've used both lightning daggers, poison daggers, and ice greatswords, but which is better at leveling?

[@Walkerrrr]

@Kanon, how does Wrice have Inject Venom on his first skill slot and Lighting Infusion on his last? It's the same skill but Lighting Infusion is a skill expression.. :/

[@XBoshiDRGX]

Does it matter which weapon you use primary? For example SnS/GS or GS/SnS? Between this combination which is better?

[@floriano1470]

Do you have any ideas how the spear is gonna play? I would love some Dragoon stuff from ffxiv. However, the class I am looking forward to the most is the Redmage surely. Some spells for range dsp and heals, a rapier for close combat.

[@RyuzakiF]

Trying to find a good video on how hard is it to respec in this game. I don't mean stat points but to change one or both weapons you character use. Like I start as a staff/wand healer and then I realize I don't like it and I want to be a sns and dagger. Is it impossible? hard? easy?

[@inkwyvern5171]

why is it a class can never just be broken to people who main them? They always have to mention that their class is the hardest to play and requires the most skill. It's so telling

[@true.is.around]

great info. how to made money ? any passive income ? afk activitys , best spots ?

[@flat8575]

where is the Bis class Greatsword / Crossbow ?

[@UnrivaledPiercer]

Is bow/wand seriously THAT BAD? I was planning on playing bow/wand as a support/healer while still maintaining a bit of damage and range via the bow. The way this list explains it is basically "Don't bother." after it's all summed up. I get that Staff/Wand or Wand/Staff is going to be better because of the MP related passives and stuff, but is it seriously the difference between a 1 out of 5 for bow/wand and a 5 out of 5 for staff/wand? Something seems really odd about that to me.

[@nirhazan7757]

Yes it does make sense, these weapons don't synergies together very well, both cus of MP regen and bow cooldowns.. Staff/wand will allow you to deal more damage without waiting for cooldown, higher MP regen & support well with your healing abilities. Staff & Wand allows you to use both weapons DoT

[@Psikick4]

@@nirhazan7757 not true at all lmao bow wand does more dmg than staff wand... staff wand is legit just a cc apply bot outside of healing. You're not a dmg dealer. The sole issue with bow wand is you have no escapes/way to peel ppl off of you. That is the only downside. With tanks who peel it is really good in mass pvp. Not in small scale. Bow also has group MP regen.

[@tanapatthungkanapak5930]

Question here. What the different if I pick GS+Sns instead of Sns+GS??? Hope you can see this!!

[@brantleyanderson8872]

There isn't a difference. The only thing that would change is your Q block, which you can choose between. You are able to switch either weapon for auto attacks on the fly. Combinations and "reverse" combinations aren't really a thing. Hope that answered your question.

[@monchito7643]

​@@brantleyanderson8872 It changes your normal auto attack if you actually never switch but just use the 2nd weap for its skills

[@pouringpoipoi5777]

why there is no dagger main user? they always pick dagger as secondary only?

[@lassebjerregaardhintz5748]

Why can't I find the rating or any reviews of "Greatsword / Bow" ? 🤓 Can't you play that combo? 🤔 Has anyone tried it?

[@Fullgrym]

I have no knowledge of the game, I learned about its existance literally yesterday. With that said, on first glance Greatsword/Bow combo lacks synergy. Longbow has skills that increase your dmg the more distance there is to the target, so it's counterproductive to go into melee range for GS. Maybe there's some use for it in PVP where you use your bow to weaken/peel off some purely ranged build before you rush in to nuke him with your sword. But then again why not nuke him from afar in the first place. Maybe the bonuses to your health from GS passives would be nice in PVP, but as I said I have no game experience and have absolutely no idea how useful those bonuses are.

[@ExcessumGaming]

So casters are unplayable atm as dps ? Kinda sad.... WE need more caster weapons...

[@Caramelo25]

Shield sword + wand is a healer or a tank in pve dungeons?

[@AlbinoImpire]

so other than the tank even in dungeons the dps should have at least 1 ranged weapon?

[@FRESHY_GG]

This will most likely be obsolete and irrelevant tier list after 24th. The new progression system might change certain builds and classes significantly.

[@ggirth88]

it will be still relevant for global server where is most people are going to play

[@FRESHY_GG]

@@ggirth88 and global will have that same patch that is coming on 24th on KR, so my point still stands.

[@ggirth88]

@@FRESHY_GG lets see if that is the case but i dout it cause it is quite major patch

[@ggirth88]

and the last cbt it run older client from kr version

[@FRESHY_GG]

@i-lq7jb he literally said at the start its tier list for min-maxed best in slot gear. so this is aimed at the current KR version, which won't be relevant until 4-5 months after release

[@sevxone]

As someone who never played T&L and hasnt really looked into it much all the abbreviations and most of the terms used dont really make sense to me, not a very newbie friendly video. Feels like it was made for people who are already invested and are playing the game currently.

[@FRESHY_GG]

Tier lists are very subjective and based on personal preference most of the time and shouldn't be taken seriously. But yes, this one is definitely not for new players, but for handful of veterans.

[@aspectjosh]

@@FRESHY_GG I’m new player and plan on playing it I’m excited

[@eytbits]

I never played t&l but I understand most of the abbreviations. Maybe you just new to mmo stuffs in general.

[@sevxone]

@@eytbits played WoW for 20 years starting in vanilla back in 2004 so i assure you thats not the case. Im talking about class names and skills being shortened down, theres no way im gonna know what they mean.

[@IBodyBagz]

@@sevxonethe video is already over 2 hours long. This particular video is talking about weapon combos. If they had to stop on every weapon to explain skills and mechanics every single time, the video would be 10 hours long. I havent played TL yet but with a little digging you can very easily find oht what they are talking about and come back to the video as a reference point. This isnt a “welcome to throne and liberty” video

[@GrentonCasts]

IM BALD

[@Pvpboy2010]

I am getting there

[@ErronBarbeeYT]

It’s kILLEM bro where we going for Global?

[@Burstahh]

What is this translation lmfaooooooooo Says I'm Bald, you click Translate and it says SOON. 💀💀💀

[@RVDVLIST]

is this before the skill update or after?

[@Cjbreezey]

I've always enjoyed 2 handed weapons kinda sad that there are no 2-handed hammer builds, but hearing that sns is this busted worries me because I was thinking of playing it, but the impending nerf is coming.

[@StudlyOnYB]

How about a great sword and wand? Is this viable

[@professorjaxel933]

How will the update affect these takes?

[@CalgarGTX]

We didn't need dps in L2 because you down people in 0.5sec xD Jokes aside I haven't played TL yet but I feel this is a great vid to have an overview of the interclass meta and their respective possibilities/roles. From everything being said I get the feeling in a group theres a lot of value in varying classes rather than just ctrl c ctrl v the same meta build on everyone, at least in small scale pvp ? Ie bow staff + bow dagger would be of more use than 2 bow staff overall, am I wrong to think that ?

[@maximilianocamou2120]

Can we get an update on This since T&L 2.0 released?

[@satanspy]

ima go bow /staff to be a pve hero at the start getting lots of groups and invites to raids then switch to a dagger as a side weapon later on

[@paintspot1509]

That isn't how this game works.

[@Psikick4]

@@paintspot1509 yes is it you just got to grind for it lmao... You realize on KR all the range dps mains have dagger/bow/staff? Some even have xbow lvl'd too. Do you only login for pvp once you max your skills for your main out? I plan on maxing out multiple setups myself. Yes, I know it can take months. Some ppl like to grind.

[@m3zuss]

@@Psikick4 I havent played this game so im asking: Isnt it better to actually have separate characters for pvp and pve?

[@Psikick4]

@@m3zuss You can't get the best gear for PVP without doing PvE. You absolutely want to have one char for both.

[@m3zuss]

@@Psikick4 So alts are just to farm resources pretty much?

[@ifeawosika966]

Greatsword aoe is crazy now

[@xXSuReaLXx]

when is the new tier list coming?

[@samsquanch934]

The fact that everyone is essentially playing 2 builds is a huge turnoff. Classes and character customization is a huge part of an MMO for me.

[@einsk9002]

what class has the most mobility ?

[@culbuteorino6213]

That was cool to listen to

[@Nagamaki]

I wish you would have discussed Staff/Wand DPS. That's almost exclusively why I checked out this video.

[@Psikick4]

It's not a thing lmao that's why they didn't. This is a meta tier list. Not a tier list for whatever you wanna build.

[@justsaying3176]

i might rock bow staff on obt well see sounds spicy... but will go staff / dagger on release for bomber mansss

[@g0ndal]

any guide build for the bow staff?

[@jjamesnp]

Can help us with some builds for Wand/Dagger ???

[@ThePremium555]

whats the lowest apm class?

[@cc66bb44]

what's the rotation for xbow dagger

[@jonnyboixu13]

How difficult is it to get those boss weapons on xbow/dagger?

[@Psikick4]

extremely difficult... Your guild has to win the event and then only one drops for hundreds of ppl there. Even if you get it you have to trait it for it to even be useable. (which means you need multiple drops of it to trait it let alone get the right traits you need) Also most guilds don't sell them b/c of how powerful they are. So, whaling to get these items is even really hard to do.

[@jonnyboixu13]

@@Psikick4 well thats a bummer....

[@ofensatul]

@@Psikick4 so how are people going to get these weapons ? :) that sounds dumb and an issue.

[@Psikick4]

@@ofensatul it's supposed to be extremely difficult. It's the most powerful weapon in the game and it needs to be nerfed. With that weapon xbow/dagger is best class in the game for dps in pvp. Without it, it's not as good as bow/dagger. In a guild vs guild fight if my guild has one and yours doesn't we will automatically win. All the arch boss weapons are supposed to be game changing since they're so hard to get. The Xbow is just too strong.

[@Psikick4]

@@jonnyboixu13 the good news is they made everything easier to trait, but I wouldn't doubt this weapon gets nerfed.

[@liquidbotanorama3786]

WHY there is NO DAGGER DAGGER??? you gonna make me go back to WoW...

[@XkilitX]

why isn't anyone talking about Xbow-Wand

[@ZsombiSax]

So SnS GS is the same as GS SNS? 😅 I can't get my head around this. Or what's the difference?

[@aliqnasri5994]

Xbow dggr top follow any sns build then any weapon with dgger scndary The rest i dont really care.

[@ExcessumGaming]

Staff/Wand is the only magic dps in the game sadly, and you wont see me healing anyone ever with it :P Kinda sad its treated as a healer.... untill they add more mage weapons there is really nothing you can pair it with (And no Bow its not magic weapon)

[@Psikick4]

Staff Dagger is insane in mass pvp.

[@jordanreedus5418]

LETTTSS GOOOOO!! Ty Kanon

[@sasso3844]

I already see it coming 98% are going to be xbow/dagger.. how exciting

[@Psikick4]

and 97% of them will be useless without archboss weapons lmao (except for in dungeons, but nobody cares about that we care about pvp)

[@kvothedo]

the moment I saw that the game is like new world(weapon based), lost all interest

[@vshynobi]

Kanoldge & 2 gigachads made a video POG

[@eam2564]

decisions decisions very hard to pick the starting class

[@hk4648]

hate this video. I had a plan what i want to play, and now after watching i want to play it all. Literaly.

[@g0ndal]

After beta, everything will change....

[@ivohage]

Where is Bow GS?

[@Psikick4]

non existent b/c it's not that good.

[@Sideritis]

Korean games are known for their imbalance towards daggers. They almost never severely cut (nerf) anything for strong classes and almost never greatly buff weak ones. During PVP tests the game was terribly unbalanced. The strongest were dagers and tanks.

[@jadamane]

I’m gonna just wing it -newbie lol

[@지나가는롤유저2]

so good

[@Crobe85]

Tier lists for beta tests now lmao?! Well I love the passion but all this is going to change with the new update to runes, skills, and artifacts in global launch.

[@aspectjosh]

So random question but the best of the best is sword shield and wand ? Or just great sword sword and shield??? I’m meta player so I wanna play tier 1 or tier 0

[@firerred1222]

Greatsword for more damage or wand to live forever

[@CakeBanditJr]

Damn.. you fucked up twice in one video. You didn't include healers and blew it off like it's not worth your time. You also scoffed at my beloved Tarisland? 😮😅😂

[@-Ryu-]

i guess the name of teh game can be tank and liberty xd

[@CANTONMENT_FL]

Staff GS

[@agrillhasnoname]

These are weapons, not classes lol

[@Ultima_AU]

Will this be kept updated?

[@TheRoadsProductions]

DUUUNNAAAAMISSSSSSSSSS

[@kinh0t]

How the hell would you know that? Have you played at least 50h with each class? If no, your opinion is useless

[@808_mahalo]

Credit card is your best meta in lineage games

[@TotoyMolangMarikina]

Credit card don't stand a chance in TNL KR that's why Korean whales hates TNL 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paintspot1509]

​@@TotoyMolangMarikinalol 100% incorrect

[@cecilia.cc.cadhla]

Thats false... Do You feel good? Or youre just upset, and cry nonsense cause everyone kill you easy... 🤔

[@silas745]

In short: there aren't even 10 viable classes and if you insist you won't be accepted into guilds or groups.😅😅😅😅

[@monchito7643]

That s the same in all other mmos if you play undesired class/specs

[@ifeawosika966]

​@monchito7643 thats why mixing classes is a bad idea

[@MasterZedX]

3hr videooo 🧐🧐🧐

[@TheRealManOfSteel]

Lol can't wait to prove these clowns wrong about the bow/staff in small scale/arena pvp. And I can't wait for the sword shield/wand NERFS.

[@Shirolicious]

well, this Tierlist got outdated really fast. So this is before the big patch.

[@shazzya2850]

Was said at the start of the video it’s a good thing you listen with your ears

[@deyn5170]

crossbow dagger 5 in gvg? 4K views in 8 hours? please spam it euro boys, you'll lose this game once again, as all the other games before. bellandir only in your dreams this way

[@ethangraner7102]

Class tier lists ruin games. Let people play the game how they want

[@matheusmartins4317]

LEST GOOOO

[@ErronBarbeeYT]

JoelTV ❤❤❤❤

[@axergaming7273]

outdated. make a new one

[@harissarajevo3267]

Standard click bait video, no Europe version for ps5. F..ng click bait

[@Dtrain011]

Credit card is meta

[@alexschaefer5274]

Sounds like a really shitty dynamic, i have to depend on someone else giving me a weapon to be competitive...?!?! 10/10 trash system

[@Dimitrios_Sak]

Wand/sns with wand in main hand or sns as main you were talking about? Thank you in advance 🙏🏻