MN Valmy - Guide 330

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Drachinifel

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@Drachinifel Жыл бұрын

Pinned post for Q&A :)

@prussianhill Жыл бұрын

Given the problems you mentioned the flat-sided 1st rates encountered with maneuverability (when compared to tumblehome designs), would you consider the flat sided first rate design to be a failure? Why or why not in your opinion? Also, in your opinion as an engineer, could you envision a 1st rate hull form that would be an improvement over both the tumblehome and the flat sided designs (for sailing ships of the line)?

@brendonbewersdorf986 Жыл бұрын

Did the French ever experiment with chain armor like was sometimes used as impromptu protection?

@Cbabilon675 Жыл бұрын

How effective were the 162 mm French shell guns? And how did they stack to their contemporaries of other nations shall guns?

@Aelxi Жыл бұрын

How much effective AA fire is? Are there instances of AA fire alone stopping an air attack without CAP help? How much ammo to shot down ratios compare?

@KG-1 Жыл бұрын

Back to Playing Ultimate Admiral: Age of Sail. Damn fun, and highly recommend for the great mix of play. Would very much appreciate a short discussion of the long barreled, slower firing Desauglier cannon portrayed in the game. They seem to be the "88" on the water - lots of pen. and range - in their day.

@khaelamensha3624 Жыл бұрын

Amazing to see the last sail ships having a displacement of some warship of ww2. Not battleships but heavy destroyers or even light cruisers. Technology really made a jump between 1840 and 1910... And thanks to Drachinifel for all the videos and the work behind them 🙏

@jlvfr Жыл бұрын

you don't even need to extend that much. The last 25 years of the 19th century were insane... every ship launched was near-obsolete within a year...

@khaelamensha3624 Жыл бұрын

@@jlvfr you are right. Not enough well versed in this area.

@jlvfr Жыл бұрын

@@khaelamensha3624 for comparison, you can check the portuguese _Vasco da Gama_ ironclad, active in 1878, one of the best in the world of it's size and class. But barelly _two years_ latter, Argentina had the _Almirante Brown_ , the 1st warship with a hull and armour made of steel. not iron, and with more than twice the armament! By 1901 the ship waas utterly obsolete and was completely rebuild, and even then it was just "another cruiser"...

@silverjohn6037 Жыл бұрын

A lot of technology really exploded in that period. Guns went from smooth bore flintlocks to machine guns. Land transport went from wagons and horse drawn canal boats to railroads and motor cars. Communications from old school mechanical semaphore to telegraphs and radios. The only thing I can think that even comes close in history was the digital computer revolution from 1980-2000.

@genericpersonx333 Жыл бұрын

@@jlvfr Mind, sometimes it was just a willingness to spend more money. A lot of ships "made obsolete" were only do because they had been built with less than was possible at the time, and then a rival simply went ahead and bought what the other guy COULD have bought.

@p.b.5107 Жыл бұрын

There's a VERY fine 1:40 model of this ship, look it up! It's made of wood, ebony, ivory and silver. It's in the Paris National Maritime Museum. Beautifully made, completely detailed.

@bjturon Жыл бұрын

Great illustrations and photos of a wooden sail battleship. Very much enjoyed :)

@michaelimbesi2314 Жыл бұрын

Drach, the extra layer of wood mentioned at 4:10 wouldn’t have been below the waterline, it would have been at the waterline. It’s a old technique called girdling, and it works by increasing the ship’s waterplane area (or more specifically the second moment of area of the waterplane) which raises the metacentric height.

@SephirothRyu Жыл бұрын

In fairness, people do like overloading their ships, so it may have wound up that way.

@MadMax-bq6pg Жыл бұрын

Regarding illustration at (approx) 3:44…. with my education from the General Melchett university of naval architecture, I deemed this vessel to resemble a Tiger tank (sans main gun) with some masts. The heartless comment from my Minister of War & Finance (aka She who must be obeyed & who is the Sailor in the family) was “it looks like a modern cruise liner”

@christopherreed4723 Жыл бұрын

Well, a prior video by Drach about some of Valmy's successors *is* (sub)titled "When Hotels Go To War"...😏

@IsaiahAmos017 Жыл бұрын

I like modern the modern ship AKA World War 1 World War 2 But seeing these age of sail ships is like a hello from a long-lost friend please do more of them

@k3D4rsi554maq Жыл бұрын

That's right.

@The_Modeling_Underdog Жыл бұрын

Not a beautiful ship, but a pugnacious-looking and long-serving one. Thanks, Drach.

@terencewong-lane4309 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful podcast!

@yes_head Жыл бұрын

How cool that an actual photo exists of this ship in her original guise. But, yeah -- if the French do have a reputation for making "hotels that go to war", this also fits the bill!

@guaposneeze Жыл бұрын

How close did Valmy come to being the very last first rate SOTL still in military service? Since she was a training ship until 1890, I am guessing some of the older captains in WWI actually trained on her? Must have been a wild career to go from a SOTL to submarine hunting.

@riverraven7359 Жыл бұрын

Well look at Admiral Fisher , went into the navy after Crimean war, left it at ww1 level of technology.

@zhouenlai2569 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video. Odd looking ship, the vertical sides make her look like a building, esp. viewed from the stern.

@MrDdaland Жыл бұрын

Would love to see a video about HMS Dolphin and it's around the world voyages

@simonchandler9601 Жыл бұрын

Q: Which standard of measurement do the French navy use in this period, wouldn’t it be Metric rather than Imperial?

@jasonz7788 Жыл бұрын

Great content thank you 👍

@phaasch Жыл бұрын

Doing away with the tumblehome- who's idea was that, for gods sake? A bit like "let's re-invent the wheel. This time , we'll make it oval..... Erm.. oh."

@augustosolari7721 Жыл бұрын

This one looks horrible to me.

@dtw8446 Жыл бұрын

Astounding that the French named a ship after the great state of Minnesota. Much to ponder.

@matthewmoore5698 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful there is a picture of this from another time , can you do a vid on prison hulks store ships if poss , I know some of the prison ships were still in use In the 1990 I see if I can get a name or two ,

@moosifer3321 Жыл бұрын

When a Wooden Warship was `Broken up` what was re-used/ salvaged? Nice Video, as expected. Please do an episode on weird Funnel designs (Stacks to you ex Colonionals!)

@SephirothRyu Жыл бұрын

We need a video on what breaking up ships entails during different time periods, and what is done with the parts.

@Alex-cw3rz Жыл бұрын

To me, the slab sides do make it look rather odd and in the painting at 4:08 almost like a cheap Replica built today no doubt as a floating restaurant or something. Making it not as elegant as a tumblehome design.

@erichammond9308 Жыл бұрын

🤔 a slab sided dutch built bugger?

@punksci6879 Жыл бұрын

Now you've chilled out your intro I check my audio as i worry it might be set low.

@korbell1089 Жыл бұрын

Those slab sides when have been fun to crew, but all those heavy guns didn't help at all, that's one of the reasons there are progressively smaller guns on the higher gun decks.

@tommoseley7458 Жыл бұрын

Another fascinating video. Do you have HMS HMAS Shropshire on your list to do. ?

@kevindavis5966 Жыл бұрын

How much of the old wooden ships was actually salvageable and reusable for new maritime construction? Or was most of the wood repurposed for use on land?

@Dana-nv4ej Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if I missed it but what were the dimensions? The tonnage was mentioned but how big was she?

@johnfisher9692 Жыл бұрын

Was this a precursor to the notorious French habit of a fleet of samples in the late 19th and early 20th century

@paulmetzgar2604 Жыл бұрын

Question for you sir, would you be interested in reviewing America's naval invasion of Japan? You could make several videos on that.

@hughgordon6435 Жыл бұрын

Did drach do an April fools this year?

@prussianhill Жыл бұрын

Not that I noticed.

@DaveSCameron Жыл бұрын

This is it! 😂

@TSR1989FF Жыл бұрын

*my disappointment is immeasurable and my year is ruined* 😔

@Aelxi Жыл бұрын

Not a meme video but a guide on "relatively" modern ship

@TeddyBelcher4kultrawide Жыл бұрын

He used full color that’s the joke

@Fronzel41 Жыл бұрын

0:34: shouldn't that be late 18th Century?

@jonrolfson1686 Жыл бұрын

🤔MN Valmy: A wooden one-off which limned the end of the era of ligneous ships and ferrous men.

@graveyard1979 Жыл бұрын

Thank goodness none of those wooden behemoths rearmed with shell guns ever had to fight anything similar to Trafalgar. It'd be naval equivalent of the Napoleonic era line tactics executed with Minie rifles.

@seanbissett-powell5916 Жыл бұрын

Read up on the Battle of Sinope shortly after the start of the Crimean War. It was just that; a conventionally-armed Turkish squadron against Russian ships firing shells. Admittedly the Russians under Nakhimov had the advantage in terms of size of their ships. One Ottoman ship escaped, no Russian ships were lost, and the casualty ratio for KIA was nearly 100:1. It woke a lot of navies up.

@graveyard1979 Жыл бұрын

@@seanbissett-powell5916 Sinope is what I had in mind. It was not huge, but enough to show vulnerability of wooden ships to the shell gun. Now you have those first rates with 100+ guns on them and because you can't ignore Paixhans invention after Sinope, eventually most of it is going to be shell guns. But even the newer ones with auxiliary steam still are conventional wooden ships of the line built for exchanging broadsides. Except they would not be as durable to this as a ship of the line could be to a solid shot. A large conventional battle between peer navies like this would see casualties dwarfing Trafalgar. It's like in Crimea or ACW casualties on land skyrocketed because the new weapons were there, but the tactics couldn't catch up fast enough.

@seanbissett-powell5916 Жыл бұрын

@@graveyard1979 Yep, spot on ! Navies realised the old ships were no longer adequate, but it took a long time for tactics to catch up. The result was the Battle of Lissa, which would be a comedy if any battle can be described as that. Two sides blundering around with a menagerie of vastly different ships and no idea what they're doing.

@togarnis8096 6 ай бұрын

@@graveyard1979A bloody ACW battle like Antietam was about as bloody as a middling Napoleonic battle (say Friedland or Jena-Austedt). Consider Gettysburg's 50,000 casualties in three days with Borodino's almost 70,000 casualties in one. It should be noted that the heavy use of skirmishers, combined arms and reserves which characterised the Napoleonic wars were rarely present in the ACW. The ACW had more in common with the pre-Napoleonic, French revolutionary wars with its citizen soldiers and simple infantry assaults.

@matthewmoore5698 Жыл бұрын

Parlez vous cannon si vouis plais?

@SkylersRants Жыл бұрын

There’s just something wrong with renaming a warship. I’m not sure why but it irks me.

@gerardmdelaney Жыл бұрын

As the Graysons said when the Steadholder Harrington turned up among the living, it confuses the accountants and displeases the Tester. Although I'm not sure which consideration carried more weight😄

@danieltaylor5231 Жыл бұрын

Did you hear that the Norwegian Navy is putting bar codes on their ships? Its so when they pull into port they can Scandinavian.

@bigsarge2085 Жыл бұрын

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@MmmGallicus Жыл бұрын

Great video as always. Just a little note: the French call this ship 'Le Valmy' and not MN Valmy. 'Le Formidable', 'Le Jean Bart', 'La Jeanne d'Arc' and so on.

@Balrog2005 Жыл бұрын

He is using British/anglo mode of naming foreign ships. Like an italian will be RM something, etc...

@johngregory4801 Жыл бұрын

"I have a BRILLIANT idea! We'll eliminate the tumblehome and have more space for guns!" Years later, an attempt is made to make the "brilliant idea" less of a problem, while the previous generation of ships is still being built. If this sounds like a problem for simpler times, consider... The US Air Force is retiring and replacing the F-22 Raptor with an updated version of an early-70's fighter design, the F-15EX Eagle. All hail the Eagle! (Never liked the Raptor)

@VosperCDN Жыл бұрын

A quick search shows the F-22/F15EX bit isn't accurate, it's the NGAD fighter that's replacing the F-22.

@johngregory4801 Жыл бұрын

@@VosperCDN The plane that comes out of NGAD will be a ridiculous overpriced compromise that won't be worth it's weight in carbon fiber. Especially now that Lockheed and Boeing are left of the great minds in military jets. No General Dynamics, no Rockwell, no MacDonnell Douglas. Just Boeing, who hasn't made a viable fighter prototype in my 60+ years... And a company known for their spyplanes and cargo haulers. Great. F-15EX it is.