mobo PCB Breakdown: ASUS ROG Maximus XII Apex

[@skoopsro7656]

I love when I know when your about to say IR35201 and actually know what your talking about.

[@Dan____]

The first time he dropped that I was like "Thahh fucking what mate?" now I'm like "ohh ok, that's very solid controller when you add some Phase doublers"

[@JMUDoc]

"How many VRMs should we put on this thing?" "Yes."

[@TrueRegulators]

yeah, the memory layout is dope, running 2x 16GB dual rank b-die at 4400 CL16-16-16-32 2T (3200C14 bin)

[@r3drumg33k3]

Damn that is some god teir 3200 bin. What voltage on the ram? 1.5-1.525? I have a trident z rgb 4000c17 1.4v 32gb kit that will do 4166 14 14 14 28 2t at 1.55v actual. That is on z390 dark tho. Or 4200 c16 at 1.5v

[@TrueRegulators]

@@r3drumg33k3 1.53 Vdimm, 0.8 Vttddr, 1.24V SA, 1.2V VCCIO. I have the dimms watercooled though ;)

[@r3drumg33k3]

@@TrueRegulators man 10 series IMC is way stronger..... I have been waiting for evga z490 kingpin to be back in stock.....but I might just have to get the apex....cus I can order that.

[@TrueRegulators]

@@r3drumg33k3 normal dark is available now www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=131-CL-E499-KR

[@jabulo2]

4400 CL17-17-17-34 2T 2x16GB here with Z490 MSI Unify, (3000C14 bin), but 1.4V VCCSA, 1.3V VCCIO, 1.54V RAM

[@HeirTrap]

Excellent analysis for the best z490 motherboard!! Thanks, been waiting for this breakdown!

[@samfedorka5629]

37:27 "You can't get a higher capacitance than 47 uF in 0805" They actually make 100 uF in 0805, but they're ungodly expensive (4 times the price). the 47's are 8 cents in qty and the 100's are 32 cents. Wonder if the TH memory slots limits OC vs the SMD ones you get in other high end boards.

[@shadow7037932]

You could get 3x 47 uF and run them in parallel, and that'll be 24c. But this obviously assumes there's PCB space for 3x 47uf 0805 packages.

[@yeyenono]

@@shadow7037932 yep totaly agree but one thing what did u say

[@DjM0Z]

FINALLY this board is so good i bought it months ago, and i'm still saving money to get a 10900kf lol but i do have the board and 4400 ram ready to go with a triple 180mm rad XD

[@joefowble]

We enjoy the lack of a filter bz. BTW, did EVGA poop the bed with their z490 FTW vrm? The heatsinks are massive compared to prior ftw and it's still hot enough to cook an egg (in this not great review). lanoc.org/review/motherboards/8097-evga-z490-ftw-wifi?start=5 VRM Temperatures / On Heatsink / On VRM ROG Maximus XII Extreme / 109.9F / 113.7F EVGA Z490 FTW WIFI / 151.4F / 202.9F

[@deminybs]

that's a pretty sweet mouse mat you're working on there 😉 got mine last Thursday (:

[@bgdwiepp]

if you have "doublers" you MAY have worse transient response on the shifted phase due to the propagation delay as mentioned, however on the non-shifted phase you will likely have better transient performance because you can have reduced inductance. 2x the phases, for same inductance results in (up to) 50% less ripple 2x the phases, 0.707x inductance results in(up to) 33% less ripple and 50% better transient response 2x the phases, 0.5x inductance results in similar ripple and (up to) twice a good transient response imho, the cost of the "doublers" and the assembly time/board space/routing difficulties is pretty insignificant if you're already putting down power stages, inductors, caps and other associated passives, just use the bloody things.

[@gixxar6]

The bit of pcb near the SATA ports can be broken off to make a neat keyring! Not even trolling, I did it to mine :D

[@animearmpits3060]

Full speed mode is sooooo cool when i need to render in premier pro for an hour so i set it to full speed and let it rip.

[@Frogger900]

Planning on buying a maximus board. I run a custom wc loop with two 480 60mm rads and a 360 60mm rad. I do intend to overclock the ram, gpu and CPU, but nothing extreme like LN2. The system will primarily be used for gaming, and I love tinkering. I'm torn between the Extreme, Formula, and Apex; anyone have good advice on how to choose?

[@Intel-6969K]

Another great video!

[@TKGMoMoSheep]

This vrm is even beefier than my x299 board.

[@r3drumg33k3]

Safe boot buttons have saved MUCH raging while memory overclocking. Legit make high end boards nearly worth it alone.

[@anthonyc417]

Use a paint pen and put a red dot on the button. You won't be able to get it off if you want.

[@westsnest2273]

Fuck yeah bring on the sinus headaches baby! Addendum: I suffer from a deviated build-zoid-septum. It's a real thing.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

I wish they did iGPU power and display outs on these boards... Just for shits and giggles, and iGPU OCing :D

[@Glenndroid.]

Hi, did you tried using the Fan Extension Card II? I don't understand how to connect it to the PSU. Thanks in advance!

[@tigerbalm666]

I am ordering this Gluteus Maximus with a i5-11600k,,

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

I want one of these for the X670 chipset and Ryzen 6950X with DDR5 7000mhz

[@igoresque]

15:37 top slot is not even the first when you put the board in a case. Why did they leave the top case slot empty?

[@tarfeef_4268]

Probably cooler clearance for giant cpu coolers, if I had to guess. And also more space for voltage regulators and caps under the socket

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

Limited production? Sure would be a shame if the Apex XII is gone when Rocket Lake shows up.

[@eanmccraken3153]

Could you do a pcb breakdown for the new apex xiii??

[@DecepticonLBC]

I'm getting David Letterman vibes listening to your voice 😂😂

[@mosesayegun5092]

Does anyone know where I could get the boardview or schematics for this motherboard

[@vladgruin]

Does anyone know why the website for support and bios updates was pulled from Asus?

[@kevinfoster4862]

Could you measure how tall the DIMM.2 module sits when installed?

[@Lishtenbird]

TFW you'll never buy such a motherboard, but got some stuff from the lower tiers, so you just watch the video and feel mildly proud for the manufacturer.

[@shadow7037932]

This stuff will eventually come down to the mid range as time goes on. Just look at old high end boards vs what we have now for the mid range.

[@anthonyt4981]

@@shadow7037932 the stuff on this board is not for the average user. the regular joe will not overclock, nor care about overclocking. so this stuff will always stay on high end mobos.

[@stephclaud4532]

attention avec la carte asus rog apex XII z490 il n y a pas de sortie hdmi à l'arrière de la carte, gènant si vous voulez utiliser l igp du 11700k...sans carte graphique.

[@marklydon435]

The problem with getting windows XP working on modern hardware are getting the ahci sata drivers. Do ASUS have them available in the downloads section for this board, probably not.

[@AVINIDE]

IIRC Windows XP can run on AHCI mode without driver issues

[@rebootcomputa]

2 GPUs dont need more than the 24Pin connectors... go back into the past and tell me that while I had 2 x 480 GTX rendering and the 24 pin connector melted away after 2 days of rendering lol

[@cyber13337]

I have this mobo with i9-10900k and Asus RoG Strix 2080 Ti GPU, the best available at the time, If I upgrade CPU to Rocket Lake will the upgrade be worth it for 4.0?

[@evangangle3192]

good shit, amen

[@ravis1947]

When using software monitoring like HW Info, what's the most accurate source of CPU voltage on these boards? Also, what's the hole in the CPU socket for? Looks too small to fit a temperature sensor in.

[@ilovehotdogs125790]

Did you find the answer to what is the most accurate voltage?

[@Metalhead-4life]

The 13 doesn't seem to be any better than the hero really, also missing the TB4 headers & no dual bios from what I can tell

[@johanfernandez4948]

have support for pcie 4.0?

[@JokoKurama]

Is this vrm config same as msi unify or msi ace?

[@Pauliwog13]

why u hate on my m.2 ssd:(

[@arrowdynamlc]

this is pretty neat.

[@animearmpits3060]

YAY I HAVE ONE

[@kilner79]

i have this board im a little concerned that it might not have gen4 :(

[@xicofir3737]

I think PCI 4.0 on 11th is just a myth.

[@kilner79]

@@xicofir3737 we will see im sure the 10900k will last many years regardless i was just hoping tp upgrade to the rocket lake but if its not going to give gen4 or gen4 on this board i wont be doing it

[@andikamirza7141]

Congrats if you buying any gigabyte or MSI z490 board since both of them confirmed support pcie 4.0, otherwise good luck

[@kilner79]

@@andikamirza7141 we need buildzoid to review those boards and look at the chips on the back of the pci

[@andikamirza7141]

@@kilner79 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJ-uhXmng76leNE z490 Aorus Master kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIDMiJ6vhrKgm68 z490 MSI MEG Godlike Still don't believe it? Just check google

[@DylRicho]

SuperPI and wPrime work fine on Windows 10. Am I missing something?

[@G14N14RI12]

They work faster on XP

[@DylRicho]

@@G14N14RI12 By that, I assume you mean XP gives better results due to less overhead? If so, that makes sense.

[@DIFY]

Z490 ROG Apex or EVGA Dark?

[@basedanon420]

Apex for better memory support in a daily system, dark for benching dual rank mems

[@DIFY]

@@basedanon420 haha better late than never. Went with Apex, but also sold it off now for an ITX build. So now rocking an Asus ROG Strix Z490-I

[@basedanon420]

@@DIFY ah nice. Did the apex treat you well?

[@DIFY]

Very steady for RAM OCing, pushed my T-Force ram to run CL14 4000MHz on it. Did not push cpu though, due to insufficient cooling and changes in build plans :p

[@lithium820]

does thit board really have 3 memory slots? is this some tri-channel shit or what

[@pi6466]

the 3rd slot is for a riser card that accepts dual M.2 nvme storage it isnt a ram slot lol but it uses the same channels for the upmost in storage performance hehe

[@CassioMarinello]

Apex or Formula?

[@jabulo2]

Apex

[@OneCosmic749]

Still no ATX 12VO power connectors.

[@hansfox]

Here the first in game test in % of the new rtx3080 card kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYinYWSviraXjKM greetings from hans of the dutch lowlands NL

[@JMUDoc]

"But... there are only two RAM slots!" BZ *fp.

[@SkillSet2]

Word...

[@Cheese-n-Cake16]

POTATO!!

[@bmarkx2595]

wtf, what you just did! one isn't supposed to mess with time, now we will head towards endgame.

[@Safetytrousers]

TURNIP!

[@BonusCrook]

Bork bork v Pet the dog

[@ebsmith1102]

First

[@bmarkx2595]

4th noobs

[@jimmythepowerful]

Thank you for being such a great TRUMP - MAGA SUPPORTER !!!!!

[@ivannormig4944]

he seems a little overconfident, I bet he never studied PCB design or any electronics

[@dragontheme2441]

don't expect gamers to have scientific content. all of them are just screaming on screens like this one. that's why they get views. the real scientific channels don't get views

[@Safetytrousers]

@@dragontheme2441 He's not a gamer. He is one of the top experts on this stuff on KZbin.

[@rogierx]

Sure this board does NOT support PCIe 4.0 as it is intel. Intel does not support PCIe 4.0 so for the nice and new nvidia RTX3090 you will need an AMD chipset.

[@johnnyelfilo]

That's not how it works. Most Z490 boards are PCI-E 4.0 compatible. The only reason they can't run at 4.0 its because the 10th gen Intel CPUs don't support it. Intel supposedly is gonna make 11th gen CPU's with PCI-E 4.0 support but only time will tell. You can still run the upcoming RTX 3090 with PCI-E 3.0, will it affect performance? We'll have to wait for benchmarks. You can run the 2080ti with PCI-E 2.0 with little to no performance loss.

[@andikamirza7141]

Speechless seeing how dumb this comment... Yes, that 3090 is using pcie 4.0 support, but that doesn't mean gen 10th or older intel chip can't used that 3090 since pcie 4.0 are FORWARD AND BACKWARD COMPATIBLE, meaning that 3090 STILL CAN BE USED AT PCIE 3.0 LANE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM JUST LIKE 5700 XT, the only difference is since intel gen 10th are still using pcie 3.0 it will not transfer video data as fast as amd with pcie 4.0, but since the difference is so small between pcie 3.0 and 4.0 it will almost not make a difference at all TL:DR yes, that intel or any amd chip which still using B450 or older mobo can still use any nvidia 3000 series

[@rogierx]

@@andikamirza7141 Yes of course it will run, but you will need 16 lanes @PCIe 3.0 to your CPU when AMD provides the same bandwidth at 8x lanes because it offers PCIe 4.0

[@YTHandlesWereAMistake]

Andika Mirza technically the difference between them isn’t small (the total throughput is almost double if you count the overhead), but you’re still bottlenecked by what your other components can do with all that data throughput so it isn’t really affected by pci3 vs pci4, at least right now. And probably won’ be affected *that much* by it in the nearest releases. Maybe in some synthetics and/or benchmarks, but it’s likely to be under 5% difference, so almost nobody should care.

[@rogierx]

@@johnnyelfilo I expect to see 16 lanes of intel PCIe 3.0 saturated with RTX3090 well into the future when an AMD cpu and chipset has no problem with 16 lanes of PCIe 4.0 since 12 months ago. Even IF it does only at 90%, it is great that you need only 8 lanes of PCIe 4.0 compared to 16 lanes of PCIe 3.0 with intel. In case you get a RX5700XT or RTX3090

[@jhonedoe3734]

VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM VRM cmon dude, we are not all OCing on liquid nitrogen. No offense but very boring, same things again and again. unsub.

[@ivannormig4944]

Exactly my thought + he seems a little overconfident, I bet he never studied PCB design or any electronics

[@jeremylogan4848]

same, really boring and repetitive. When I buy a mobo I don't buy it for VRM, I don't really care about it. I just want a feature rich mobo.

[@astroone1207]

@@jeremylogan4848 same

[@DanPellegrino486]

You are watching Actually Hardcore Overclocking. The only thing a lot of O/Cers want is VRM. It's a channel about extreme overclocking. It's like like going to a BBQ and asking why they aren't making cakes.

[@astroone1207]

@@DanPellegrino486 Oh I didn't see the channel name, just found this video on reddit. Thanks for pointing that out. I guess it's not for me