Overclocking 2x16GB 4000C18 Crucial Ballistix Max RAM on the ASUS Maximus XII Apex

The IC is Micron 16Gb rev.B
here's the part number: BLM2K16G40C18U4B
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[@CaptainKenway]

I don't know why watching a man fiddle with memory timings for an hour and a half is so relaxing, but it is.

[@agenericaccount3935]

I genuinely use Zoid to help me sleep.

[@milanklco]

just its awesome to see somebody enjoying hardcore OC stuff and embrasing it as fun time a lot :)) with actually great results :) love these professional pationate people. Applause :)

[@robert_g_fbg]

It’s like timing numbers sudoku, challenging but relaxing.

[@Bobzillaaaful]

Buildzoid:30 min memory overclocking video memory overclocking:hahahahahahahha

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@IbukiHimari I go so fast I warp time

[@robert_g_fbg]

Overclock and undervolt the Perception Engine. It makes the wall clock go slooooow

[@georgeivanov844]

Me: *Clicks on a 90-minute AHOC RAM OC video* Buildzoid at the start of the video: "You can't test full stability in a 30-minute video" That's why I love Buildzoid's channel.

[@benjaminm927]

Buildzoid, you ooze with valuable information. Your off-the-cuff comment at 18:08 about the 133 strap being more stable helped me get my DDR4 3200 kit (F4-3200C14D-16GTZR) from DDR4 4000 17-18-18-37 to DDR4 4000 16-17-17-35 with better secondaries and tertiaries too just by changing the bclk:dram freq ratio from auto to 100:133. Fucking hell yes! THANK YOU!

[@bananya6020]

just as a warning though, i got slightly worse speeds on 100:133. doesn't really matter too much though i think if you can drop any timings at all it's probably ending up better--i just kinda... can't, because my ram completely lost the silicon lottery and doesn't even really run at stock.

[@IHateHandlesWayTooMuch]

Finally got my "more caps more better" which I ordered in end of may, dhl was weird in russia. Thx for accepting the design idea, love the shirt.

[@LinkStorm13]

ah, yes 90 min of buildziod overclocking some ram, my day is saved

[@Scr3amer42]

Nice video. It would be super nice to have a video about RTL, IOL, IOL Offsets and RFR delays once you master them :D.

[@joefowble]

Thank you buildzoid. I am working on regular ballistics 2x8gb 3000 with a 9600k and z370 right now. A little bz guidance is welcome as I am at 3800 and 48.1 ns.

[@TrueRegulators]

1 IO-L ~ 0.1 ns of latency, so 14-14 vs. e.g. 6-6 would be (14-6)*2 * 0.1ns = 1.6ns of latency you lose by not tuning those

[@60_70]

For RTL's I've always just dropped the IOL's to 7 (6 if tweak mode 2) and then dropped the respective RTL's as much as it took to get to 7 (6) IOL's. Works 99% of the time.

[@tiegertanz]

BZ: cant show full stabilty in a 30 min video Also BZ: makes the video 1,5 hours long

[@heni63]

😂😂

[@tarfeef_4268]

I mean, we all knew it was gonna happen the second he gave himself a length

[@thaiwhan8684]

I went to try the settings you change for my ballistix kit and when I got in the bios, totally different layout and timing names. I got mine to 4000MHz on the gigabyte b450m ds3h motherboard but the latency is really high compared to yours mine was in the 70s. The read speed was 56000+ had to use 18-21-21-38 to get them stable, I was hoping to get closer to your scores, but I think maybe the motherboard limits the options. Love your vids btw so informative 👌👌😂😂

[@fuchnorris6277]

2 years later, still the best vid on this

[@eugkra33]

Crucial sure is getting their moneys worth on those kits they send you.

[@300maze]

do you plan to buy a Renoir AM4 chip? the memory controller and infinity fabric clock way way higher than mattise

[@milanklco]

great video thanks :)) I am getting on ryzen 7 3700x ddr4 Hynix CJR chips 3733mhz cl16 32gb (2x16gb) ram clocks, 8200 memory score in Geekbench and I am using speedy setting from ryzen dram calculatur recommended subtimings on 1.36v, fully stable tested :) I assume as daily setup between 8000 to 9000 its pretty quick daily driver :)) thanks for introducing me to geekbench3 too, just bought it :D LOL I think for 32gb set its preeetty sweet speed :) system really flies :)))

[@littlecoachbodie]

What is the best z490 board for both cpu/ram overclocking in the $250-400 price range?

[@monotoneone]

For lowering RTLs change the latency offset. Default will be 21, lower that until it doesn't boot.

[@rayman4509]

You actually need to rise the offset until it doesn't boot to get RTL and IOL to lower

[@guilhermecoelho5028]

"45ns is pretty terrible" and here I'm like trying to reach 66ns at my ryzen setup :(

[@Amberion]

most of that latency is on the CPU fabric. It's just a ryzen thing.

[@hoangd4132]

comparing specs between different platform is pretty silly

[@dugg117]

I got the Viper steels down to CL14 @ 3800 on My 3600XT . The XT's do 1900 IF really easy. I'm down in the 62 to 63ns range according to the latency curve on Ryzen D-ram calculator. Not sure how that compares to Aida64

[@1dafullgaming688]

I have 34,6 on my 9600k

[@guilhermecoelho5028]

@@hoangd4132 sure it is but still I had no idea they would be that different.

[@nocturnal0072]

I see micron overclock, I like.

[@elsasslotharingen7507]

Basically.

[@fracturedlife1393]

Crucially, i see it the same

[@ryantttt]

Can u please do a 10900k oc on this board as well to compare with previews oc

[@robert_g_fbg]

Buildzoid, since your video on Ballistix easy overclocking to 5000 the other day, most 2x16 kits are sold out everywhere. I wanted a 2x16 3600 kit but ended up ordering a 2x32c18 3600 from crucial.com. I wonder how these dual rank dimms will do on Unify/3900X. I would be happy if you do a vid like this one on Ryzen.

[@fredmcgovern302]

Any chance you will do an OC guide on that system with the Patriot Viper 4400 memory

[@DanDan-ow9fj]

Would you recommend starting off with your timings and tuning from there for stability for someone new to RAM OC with the same kit?

[@mryellow6918]

Do max frequency, then primary then secondary

[@CknSalad]

wonder how well the F4-4000C17D-32GTZRB compares.

[@chriskendall8026]

I have Asus Maximus Apex XI, Z390, i9 9900KS CPU, 280clc, with 32 G.Skill F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW, Cas 17,19,19,39 Hynix Cdie dual rank. Having trouble getting this stable at 4000 at same CAS but 1.45 volts, and suggestions?

[@marceldiezasch6192]

Just open the usual dark grey AIDA memory interface and double click the top row, it's faster than what you are doing now.

[@JMUDoc]

This is the man that copies and pastes a three-digit number in Prime 95 rather than typing it out...

[@joefowble]

I learned that in a bz stream a few months ago. Oddly.

[@81Treez]

Would these ram sticks run poorly in games since they are 16Gb chips?

[@TeamTDU]

asrock timing configurator 1:21:40 if anyone is interested

[@danieltubio-rey1984]

Can I ask does anybody notice with the Asus z490 apex boards the system agent voltage is quite high. Like mine on auto is like 1.51v that seems super high. Like I'm only running 3600mhz 2x16gb Corsair RGB Pro. It's not like I'm running crazy super speeds

[@TrueRegulators]

I've killed a 6700k with 1.6V SA over night. I've not killed a 10900k with 1.65V SA in 3 weeks now. So 14nm has gotten a lot tougher when it comes to SA tolerance. Supposedly people have been running 1.65V for 4700C17 1T on Coffee Lake for a year now and it hasn't degraded, so dunno, but seems fine for daily

[@NomadFM]

I'd like more 2x16GB ram overclocking

[@antoniogiorgi7713]

i don't really know it why but the very same cooler EVGA clc 280 is not compatible with my Maximus XII Apex :(

[@WereCatStudio]

I run mine 4x16GB (dual rank sticks) at 3733CL14 24/7 (FLCK goes only up to 1866MHz) but I can boot at 4000CL18 as well with a whoopin 64GB!!

[@johnnyr4mbo]

I have this model of ram but the version rgb, 4x16 with crosshair dark hero VIII and 5800x3d and aida gave me mostly in default witrh 4000 and 2000 fclk 70ns of latency, I dont know if is because im running 4 banks and you 2 only or what

[@JamesHryb]

Thank you! I almost copied your secondary/tertiary memory timings exactly on my 4x8GB 3200mhz LPX ram for my 6700K on a Z170 Gaming-7. Went from 58ns to 49ns and read speeds went from 41116 Mb/s to 44715 Mb/s. AWESOME!! games run better.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

did you stress test?

[@JamesHryb]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Yes, I was in the middle of doing the stress testing, then the power went out for the next 4.5 days due to the storm in CT... I guess it wasn't that stable as the system would't post when power came back on.. I'm of course going to try again, because overclocking is fun!

[@AllanHundeboll]

@@JamesHryb When your oc cause power grid blackout for several days -you probably should try decrease the voltage... But that's not fun; so just mount an extra fan!

[@turboshoturassmerica7269]

I had the same thing happen to me last week then I benched 5.5ghz/5ghz cache 4400-17-17-17-40 extremely tight and got 13th score for CBr20 on HWbot

[@matthewfurniss7668]

Is This how get more performance out of the rams have the same ram kit been trying to overclock to get more out of them am still learning how to do it Al so been trying to overclock cpu ryzen 5 pro 4650g have got up to 4.4ghz but think it's still a bit unstable cos it crashes

[@EnvAdam]

Ooof, I havent had a good experience with Rev.B but that was 4gbit and it topped out 3333 CL18 1.45V, suposedly 8gbit varient is good, yet to watch the rest of the vid but we'll see how good this particular kit is.

[@Torbjorn.Lindgren]

4Gbps Rev.B (yours) doesn't share much with 8Gb Rev.B which doesn't share much with 16Gb Rev.B (this), about the only thing common is the manufacturer, everything else including silicone feature size used is different! It'd be REALLY surprising if any 4Gb chip provides any insight WHATSOEVER into any 16Gb chip. Yes, they're that different.

[@bm5945]

Is it better than micron e- die?

[@hopey1809]

It's so super interesting how I got myself 4x8GB of Ballistic RGB Gaming 3600CL16 and whatever I try, even if II crank up the voltages above 1.5V ... I can't even touch anything above the XMP setting. It won't ever boot up. Is it because of my MSI Z490 A-Pro motherboard? I mean yeah 3600 CL 16 isn't bad or something but I am still upset i miss all the overclocking fun.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

have you tried setting the VTTDDR low?

[@hopey1809]

​@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking couldn't find the option in my bios. I will look for it thanks for your recommendation

[@extremeedition7276]

CAS - Mghz * 2000 = ns 16-3200*2000=10ns

[@0wavez]

Its a CLC 360?

[@IxAxDxTxRxI]

I have a kit of g skill aegis 3000 c16 but I have it on x99 5960x @ 3200 1t 16-18-18-38 , 522 rdc and 65252 efi with quad channel. It's samsung c die @ 1.35v and 1.15 SA 1.15vccio In aeida 66k read 58kwrite 72k copy and 49 latency

[@sgtsixpack]

Should I swap 4 x 8GB viper steel for 2 x 16 8pack b-die? www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-8pack-edition-32gb-2x16gb-ddr4-pc4-28800c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-002-8p.html I'm currently @ 3600MT/s 16,16,15,16,32 288tRFC, 1t, geardown mode enabled. I have had them at 3800MT/s but that was before a heatwave hit and I just decided to run a conservative voltage (with tight timings).

[@khmergodhobbies]

I meant to ask you buildzoid senpai,but did you ever do a analysis of the x570 aqua

[@skoopsro7656]

Garage. There saved you and him 45mins

[@tarfeef_4268]

It's aqua. It's useless. Simple

[@khmergodhobbies]

@@skoopsro7656 I don't get your answer. Garage?

[@skoopsro7656]

@@khmergodhobbies damn it. Auto correct screwed it. It was supposed to say GARBAGE 🗑

[@SahajPS]

My Z490-E defaults to 1.616V system agent on auto if freq is >=4000mhz

[@sandroadler3607]

I'm doing it on a asrock B660 Pro rs with the same kit In the bios I ended up setting to gear 1 and 3600mhz with the same voltage, and it worked Then I went in the bios again and put it to 4000mhz and upped the voltage from 1,35V to 1,4V And then I needed to clear my bios bc of hard crash I guess these sticks are really sensible with more voltage

[@sandroadler3607]

On the crucial site it says the MB is not compatible with the ram, so what do I do now, sent back the ram and get new one?

[@scottforti3194]

Can someone please answer me I noticed he lit 4.3 volts on the cpu core that’s ok for 10900k I have one and an wondering I have 360mm rad

[@thaiwhan8684]

Nothing will go that high, maybe 1,4v

[@oven88]

you should see if you can run the same timings on the non-max 2x16 ballistix kit

[@NarciisJr]

I can run 3800 cl18 1.43v on a 3200 mhz kit with ryzen 2700 + crosshair viii formula, I will see this friday how far I can push this kit as it is a dual rank, I hope I can do 4000 mhz cl18 , 2x16 gb

[@chronicalcultivation]

I get the feeling this would have gone much differently on a Gigabyte board

[@matejvrabel]

Please do Nanya A-die RAM Overclocking

[@stephclaud4532]

attention avec la carte asus rog apex XII z490 il n y a pas de sortie hdmi à l'arrière de la carte, gènant si vous voulez utiliser l igp du 11700k...sans carte graphique.

[@paveljelinek772]

4:53 it always bootloops when switching to XMP

[@HyrrokkinX]

well.. I am running better bandwidth and latency and geekbench results on 4266 mhz cl17... and on 9900ks.. that's not very good especially because isn't a cheap one

[@TheMycelliac]

ye boi

[@zunbaby5469]

is 1.45V safe for djr ics?

[@miniweeddeerz1820]

Yes.

[@scottforti3194]

Just casually putting 1.43 volts to the cpu?

[@ianallen738]

"Memory does wierd stuff, that's why I don't like memory overclocking that much." Me: Lol wut

[@mimireich]

The best of the best mobo ever made by ASUS, swatted to more 6000MHz in one sitting :o

[@getdownnyoda2383]

ahah DDR5 will be boosted at 15000 or more im sure lmao

[@mimireich]

@@getdownnyoda2383 15GHz might be possible. Waiting JEDEC release it's standard somewhere in mid 2020s

[@getdownnyoda2383]

@@mimireich cool this year is rich of content about pc specs, gpu cpu, ram

[@skoopsro7656]

it better be good for $350+

[@dvr1337]

Try ram.overclocking with a cheap motherboard. Thats where the fun starts:)

[@sabishiihito]

Crucial still selling 2x16GB kits with 8Gb ICs -_- Got a 3200C16 set expecting 16Gb chips, *nope*

[@Rainbow__cookie]

I though first it had 3 ram slots

[@benchosei9878]

"in a 30 minute video"...😏

[@VFDB]

I bought some ddr3 mfr to mess around with and I cant even get 2600 cl 11 stable lol

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

what CPU and board?

[@VFDB]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking GA-Z77-D3H and i7 3770k, 16gb Gskill Sniper 2400 cl11 kit. I have a TridentX 2400 cl10 kit that doesn't overclock either but I read that that's because it's got samsung IC's, so I thought I would sell that and use the sniper.

[@cracklingice]

Windows 7 > all but XP. XP was great and comes before Microsoft put that BS copy protection crap in the sound system and ruined sound cards.

[@blazebott]

dude....no

[@Cheese-n-Cake16]

Totally 100% First, Dave Green is a poser

[@skoopsro7656]

Lol

[@taotechnique]

Wtf lol

[@Amberion]

30 minute video, ahahahahahahahaha

[@timpeng4418]

:D

[@avagreen9060]

first?

[@skoopsro7656]

👍👍

[@hughw.]

Last.

[@techluvin7691]

30 minute video, lol. Buildzoid has no sense of time 🥴

[@rewq0210789]

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