Modding Heaven: When Games Become Engines

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Modding Heaven is attained when a game is so moddable that it becomes a game engine. I know, a shiver just went down your spine - It wasn’t a ghost though, it was just this idea. Just like Rainbow Six Siege and bad lore, Gaming and Modding go together hand in hand. Minecraft, Doom, Skyrim and Terraria will all be brought up and discussed. It’s not a competition though. This isn’t about Indie vs AAA games, it’s about passion vs possibility, and what happens when they combine: Amazing creations like the Terraria Calamity Mod, and Pirate Doom. I’m gonna lay it down simpler: Modding Heaven is the status I created for games that can be modded enough to feel like different games and or experiences. My description writing skills are rusty. Bethesda Todd Howard.
#Minecraft #Skyrim #Terraria

[@iAmLufa]

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[@AndroidFerret]

Sad you haven't spoken about the awesome total conversions for doom. Unreal RPG 99, ashes afterglow, painkiller mutilator, sellaco.. There are sooooo many amazing ones even better as the ones you showed. But I get it . Video would be hours long.

[@Arcana_zero_studios]

Mojang: While you could do this just don't get TOO crazy. Bethesda: Ok! Here's the keys to the studio, go nuts.

[@Karthik-pn2yj]

the cost is your mental health

[@Markm8]

Whould you count gmod? Or is that to on the nose as its whole point is moding

[@sammiller3875]

@@Markm8 I bet that’s more of a game engine

[@sherwingonsalves5427]

the throium mod does not add the pirate invasion, goblin army or the solar eclipse events those are the base game events

[@manformerlypigbukkit]

THEY ARE???

[@freeroamchips]

@@manformerlypigbukkit yes they are. have you only ever played the base game?

[@pandill0]

thanks, came here to comment this

[@manformerlypigbukkit]

@@freeroamchips I only got as far as beating the wall of flesh lol, my bad

[@Half-Homo-Homosapien]

@@manformerlypigbukkit there is no chance you have ever gotten past the wof in vanilla

[@Raptor_Killer01]

What!? No Source engine games??? Are you kidding me??? Half-Life 2 is so moddable that brought life to Garry's mod which is basically the pure definition of modding heaven, since is A MODDABLE MOD

[@45545videos]

Source *is* a game engine, something this video isn't about

[@thefriendd6506]

@@45545videos but the commenter specifically said "source engine games", with an example being half-life 2, as a basis for modding. this is exactly the same as saying "creation engine games" with Skyrim as an example.

[@guidodurante9495]

Yeah, Half-Life mods resulted in Counter Strike, Team Fortress, and many other great FPSs. And Half-Life 2 mod scene is huge. I get that he may not be in the VR modding scene, but Skyrim and Garry's Mod are amazing modding engines.

[@Raptor_Killer01]

@@guidodurante9495 They are indeed... but the fact that gmod is not even mentioned in the video blows me away! Perhaps he never played it???

[@alexjackyperson101]

Garry's mod is better than half life 2 for modding support

[@jonwallace6204]

It’s 10000AD, the Earth is a wasteland and humanity exists in small pockets around natural springs. Ubahk looks up from his water harvester at his friend. “Okay, I got DOOM running on this thing.” Bukha responds “oh cool, I heard the River community made a new mod for it.”

[@A_Baguette_]

are all names anagrams in the future? That would be sick

[@KrashyKharma]

It wasn't until I saw that someone is remaking Vampire: The Masquerade - Requiem in its entirety in Skyrim that I realized the extent to which it can be modded. So insane.

[@simplemaker173]

Then Skywind and Skyblivion. Can't wait to play those.

[@MR-hk2qu]

@@simplemaker173 Beyond Skyrim as well. Steam even has a Modpack with Enderal in it's Shop.

[@simplemaker173]

@@MR-hk2qu It's a kind of DLC, I guess.

[@mrfamilyfriendly4370]

Terraria moding is crazy, calamity dev(s) are just out there somehow, making a whole nother game and just. keep. going.

[@iAmLufa]

Facts

[@jackkane9679]

Calamity mod is just a whole beast of its own. It basically doubles the games content

[@Articfoxgamez]

One part of me wants to play it, another part of me realizes I already struggle and die constantly with vanilla terraria and modding it is just asking for that to get worse

[@EMan-xj5cz]

@@Articfoxgamez you could play on an easier difficulty

[@Rainbow51000]

@@Articfoxgamez play on easier difficulty, but honestly if you atleast upgrade your character with the armor and accessories, the game is still doable, just take a bit more time but keep persisting

[@zacschr1808]

a fixed path just means you have to "break a few 4th walls" to get into modding.

[@iAmLufa]

I’m curious can you elaborate

[@zacschr1808]

@@iAmLufa is joke ta best joke. not much for me to Elaberate on

[@vincenzusgaming]

The modding community in Skyrim is so active and dedicated that it made me play one game for thousands of hours. That is more than the amount of hours I have on multiplayer games.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

I'm literally 100% sure I've spent more time achieving the optimal mod setup for skyrim, making mods for skyrim, and troubleshooting mods for skyrim than I have ACTUALLY playing skyrim at this point. And I wouldn't have it any other way 😂

[@captainsober]

@@idontwantahandlethough Same but instead of playing at all I follow the cycle of modding, playing, noticing something that could be better within an hour of playtime, mod it again, it breaks the mod order, restart from scratch.

[@axelshawAk]

Hitting 13k on csgo rn..💀

[@sahilrahman5066]

Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim, Stardew Valley, Terraria, Minecraft and of course Left 4 Dead These are 6 most well known and (Personally) Biggest modding communities to have existed

[@idontwantahandlethough]

You can't add (personally) to that, it makes your statement kinda useless. Normally lists like that are objective fact lists, but you've just made it your opinion, and your opinion on the biggest modding communities is only worthwhile if it's actually correct.. ya know what I mean? (Otherwise it's just stating a falsehood) Which is fine, but your opinion is wildly off base. There are some that shouldn't be on that list and some that should. (although I guess you could make the argument that they ARE the biggest because they're more recent, therefore they have more people because there's just way more people playing video games now than there was in the past 🤷‍♂ what am I doing, arguing against myself? jesus christ. Anyway, I probably wouldn't define "biggest" as "contains the most modders" but adjust relative to the time frame much in the same way one would adjust for inflation)

[@sahilrahman5066]

@@idontwantahandlethough Well I don't understand what i said exactly made you write such a huge comment for, i just stated my opinion on what i believe is some of the games to have the biggest modding community? (Like it's not even necessary to start an random argument over this?) Also you reminded me that i forgot one of the Games that actually an perfect example of Modding Heaven that being Blade and Sorcery! And Doom of course i forgor about that guy!

[@Klixvy]

@@sahilrahman5066 Thats why B&S is my all tike favorite VR game, i dont really know why more people thinks its fun!

[@sahilrahman5066]

@@Klixvy you mean why more people don't think it's fun? I mean it might just be the more less the amount of vr users, in fact if i had a vr headset i would have put B&S way higher cause i would have been playing it till i was puking from motion sickness. 😄

[@Klixvy]

@@sahilrahman5066 yes that is what I meant lol, I do wish more people would appreciate B&S because I would do the same! Play until I would almost be dead!

[@jasonhemphill8525]

Not having Quake/Source in this list is fucking nuts Edit: Now that I think about it, Roblox is another inexcusable omission from the video. Edit 2: A lot of people feel that calling Roblox a moddable game is a strange thing to do. I honestly don’t know. Some mods are so comprehensive, that they become their own games. Calling Roblox an engine doesn’t really work for me based on the amount of reused assets. There is a lot of low level engine things are are not able to be modified in Roblox. To me, that makes user content closer to mods. They are a self described “gaming platform” so I guess they are somewhere in between. I’m super down to discuss. Let me know what you think.

[@Billy-ir4jc]

True though. The things I’ve seen modder do to source is crazy. Gmod hl2 portal 2 have crazy mods.

[@lovedeath9075]

@@Billy-ir4jc when the mods have mods

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

no where near as moddable as minecraft. mods are one thing, but the things one can achieve with mods matters

[@jasonhemphill8525]

@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 you are insane.

[@GibusWearingMann]

@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 source can achieve feats of narrative and level design equivalent to the feats of automation and infrastructure that minecraft can! don't rain on people's parades, we can enjoy both

[@that1metalhead792]

Skyrim modders gave us the first non player character that dynamically and in real time reacts to and responds to the player talking into a mic with AI. This taken and developed to it's natural evolution, it changes everything.

[@TheSilverSmitih]

Yeah, Mantella and Herika are really fun to play around with. I was able to get it running on Vanilla with 8GB of VRAM.

[@zacharyharris2177]

Facade 2 can be made now

[@zekeram129]

Wait what

[@zackbauer4562]

@@zacharyharris2177 Melon

[@ChaoticSurge161]

I'm surprised that Warcraft 3 wasn't on this list. The custom map tools that game provided gave birth to one of the biggest genres out there (MOBAs) and there were thousands of custom maps with literally all genres from survival horror to full fledged RPG experiences to even FPS maps all from an RTS game.

[@ultimaxkom8728]

That's crazy. I thought it would be included *(even as a honorary mention)* given the impact that it has.

[@VirusCity17]

Since the base World Editor is very powerful, it can achieve a LOT of customization through the scripting tool without the need to 'modify' the base engine. Warcraft 3 'modders' more often called themselves 'map makers' instead of modders. Perhaps this is why Warcraft 3 weren't well known for its mod community (despite still very thriving to this day).

[@-47-]

I've seen someone make GTA in Warcraft 3

[@selectionn]

warcraft 3 is some niche-ish boomer stuff, which is likely why it wasnt mentioned. it was really popular though and one of the best examples. I dont think this youtuber actually plays games though. He got so much info in this video wrong, and mispronounces almost everything. He's basically just reading off a wikipedia article, and Im pretty sure most of this script was written by an AI.

[@alexjackyperson101]

I'm more surprised that Garry's mod isn't on the list too

[@sammyboi8938]

Regarding Terraria, you forgot to mention the community's insane level of creativity when it comes to lore building and MUSIC!!!! Music in modded Terraria scene is INSANE, these guys are literally composers at this point. And goddamn, Calamity Soundtrack? It's its own level now! It's fanmade but it doesn't sound like one, it's that good. Hell, the bells in the game if you hear it somewhere else, is referred to as Calamity Bells. That's how much of an impact that soundtrack has

[@shleyal19]

RIP DM Dokuro, you will be missed dearly :( (He’s not dead, he just left the Calamity Mod community after being harassed and cyber bullied by the more hardcore Calamity fans in a vain attempt to force him to write his musical masterpieces faster than he reasonably could)

[@nyanknight107]

​@@shleyal19 he still puts out good music, I never got into calamity but I'm a good fan of his

[@shleyal19]

@@nyanknight107 yeah I know he’s still doing good work out there. He’s just no longer in the Calamity Mod community

[@kennyholmes5196]

Fun fact, the Calamity bells are known as Tubular Bells in the IRL orchestral field.

[@qwargly]

Leaving out Super Mario 64 is absolutely crazy, There's so many romhacks that are entire campaigns created from scratch, and even a couple total conversion romhacks

[@iAmLufa]

All I can say is Mario 64 will 100% be in my next video but for a different reason

[@corruptedplayer]

​@@iAmLufayou should definitely talk about kaze emanuar. guy is basically recreating every line of code to make a gigantic romhack that runs a stable 30fps on original hardware. he is also working on a conversion of the base game that should run a stable 60fps on original hardware. hes insanely talented

[@kepler6873]

The old school Minecraft mods actually helped inspire an entire new genre, Factorio lists build craft as an inspiration and having played both you get a very similar problem solving loop. This then branched out to games like satisfactory and DSP!

[@iAmLufa]

Wait for real? That’s crazy

[@tomykong2915]

and now we've got vintage story, which is directly inspired by the terrafirmacraft mod

[@Oldman_rooshi]

I remember back in the early 2010s first figuring out how to mod Minecraft. My poor laptop didn’t stand a chance.

[@D.S69]

haha

[@DaftDoof]

With SRB2, They made a Kart game called SRB2K and quite recently they made SRB2K2 or Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers. IT'S STILL BASED ON DOOM.

[@losharikoved]

Isn't there is Persona 3 mod for srb2 that adds *turn based battle system* in it?

[@DaftDoof]

@@losharikoved HOLY SHEET, YOU'RE RIGHT. SRB2P IS REAL AND IT CAN HURT YOU

[@moosesues8887]

They been Working on it since the literal 90s too 😭

[@jacksonpercy8044]

I recently played Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers for the first time and honestly I disliked it for several reasons. Crazy to know that it's based on DOOM though.

[@DaftDoof]

@@jacksonpercy8044 it isn't everyone's cup of tea, There is a lot going on compared to a Mario kart.

[@NZBorb]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R the series have a bunch of mods which basically make a whole new game

[@johnernest5843]

Blessed be the Open X-Ray project and the Monolith 64 Bit Engine for allowing crazy STALKER fans to keep making fantastic gameplay experiences in our favorite anomalous zone

[@NZBorb]

@@johnernest5843 Gamma and Anomaly are both really good mods to play, and its literally just playing a new copy of S.T.A.L.K.E.R good to do if you're waiting for the Stalker 2 :3

[@johnernest5843]

@@NZBorb I remember when I was just playing Call of Chernobyl on my shitty laptop back in college and having a blast. Getting ANOMALY a few years later, and GAMMA as a modpack on top of Anomaly was like something only my young version could dream of

[@dachi5690]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. achieved modding heaven and was reborn because of it. Indeed, a holy story.

[@cheesebucketman1606]

They literally went from having Morrowind graphics to gorgeous 4K Skyrim style. I would say this game would be the Skyrim of FPS games right next to fallout.

[@acupncture833]

Black Ops III’s modding scene is also insane with hundreds of thousands of maps and add-ons to experience, and some maps are even straight up different games entirely

[@FerinitheBloodHusky]

waw also has some total conversion mods, like a dragon ball fighter

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

Hideous Destructor is one of the best immersive sims ever made, with a modding community for itself. But it's literally a doom mod.

[@necrosteel5013]

I second hideous destructor, It's basically my introduction to tactical FPS games and made me actually accept those mechanics in other games. Though I still don't like regular tactical shooters, not enough improve.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@necrosteel5013 I feel ya. I'd love to see some actual innovation in the tactical FPS genre.. it's been kinda stagnant for a while

[@thomased22legoyodagaming]

hideous is more of a movement shooter than a tactical shooter. You're not often let alone always rewarded for picking your shots carefully or sniping. AI is programmed to get more dangerous and accurate the longer you spend in their sightlines. High level play is dashing around a room with your fist that gives you more movement options. While swapping between weapons and schooling on zombies.@@necrosteel5013 I've never been a fan of calling hideous a tac shooter it's definitely an immersive sim. But that's a hard distinction to make for many I am aware.

[@70Lu07]

I remember once trying to make a whole ass RPG game inside minecraft using the custom NPC's mod, i gave up due to it being too complicated for a 16 year old to do so much all alone

[@idontwantahandlethough]

hey dude, that's impressive even for a sixteen year old to ATTEMPT! Kudos to you for being creative and thinking big thoughts :)

[@2capi]

35:19 not sure if it was a joke or not but the pirate invasion,goblin army and solar eclipse are from non modded terraria

[@DeveloperLuka]

I want to add that moding Minecraft Bedrock Edition is 100% possible, c++ Code can be Reverse engineered to then make mods of it. The only reasons why there are no mods for it is, because Java Edition is so easily moddable nowadays and bedrock is generally considered to be worse.

[@tomykong2915]

yes and no, java itself is actually part of why minecraft java edition is so moddable, it's incredibly easy to break into a game made in java, and alter individual parts of it, and with how java runs, it largely isolates whatever it made in it from the rest of the system, making it so you rarely need to account for anything system specific when modding, where as with bedrock edition, it's integrated with the windows 10, or whatever system it's on's processes more directly, and bedrock edition is more interconnected with the microsoft services compared to java, so across the board, it is far harder to mod bedrock edition compared to jave, without direct support in the game

[@DeveloperLuka]

@@tomykong2915 Yeah you are Right doesn’t change anything about my Statement though

[@tomykong2915]

@@DeveloperLuka I was simply expanding on your statement. what you said was technically true, but there was more to it, as there were additional reasons why there are so few mods for bedrock. Basically you gave the simple answer, I gave the complicated answer. Though, there actually mods for bedrock, they're just few and far between once you stop counting the addons officially available, but they do still exist.

[@BryanLu0]

Modding on Bedrock is going to get much harder, now that Mojang decided not to provide PDB files for future versions. (See how long Mario N64 decomp took, and expect that for future Bedrock versions)

[@DeveloperLuka]

@@BryanLu0 A full decomp is in no way necessary to mod. I didn't know that they released their pdb's, but since the structure doesn't completely change after every update it's not going to make to much of a difference.

[@morgan3392]

Seeing Todd so surprised by people giving the Fallout show a 9 honestly made me feel bad :( Starfield was disappointing but it honestly looked like his passion was stomped on

[@aidanmarshall9945]

WE HATE TODD HOWARD!!!! WE SHOULD BULLY HIM MORE FOR BEING IN THE CHESS CLUB!!!!🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@GoalOrientedLifting]

Starfield became trendy to hate. Cyberpunk was more hyped, released in a worse state, with less content. yet got less hate. ironic part is that they would use cyberpunk, after 3 years of intense repair, and compare it to starfield on release. which just feels unfair. especially since BGS games have always been fixed and fleshed out by DLCs

[@ultimaxkom8728]

^ RIP. Me and the guy above is about to get eaten by Cyberpunk's post-anime converted haters and Starfield's disappointed players.

[@keyman245]

Tod kinda deserves tough dude rarely makes good decisions today

[@railgunduck]

@@GoalOrientedLifting Starfield just needs to get good in the next couple of years or so. Cyberpunk on release was huge on hate, and some ppl still hate it, it will go down in history for the shitty release it had. If the Starfield devs can fix the game like Cybeprunk did, it will be judged by the other aspects that arent broken. Simple as that

[@jn3440]

We just gonna act like Half Life doesn’t exist? Like it’s one of the first games brought up when talking about changing the game experience through mods and whole games being made because of mods

[@lolglolblol]

You could argue that datapacks are Minecraft's version of official mod support, and those have steadily been gaining awesome features. I doubt they'll ever fully replace traditional mods, but you should really look up what datapacks can already allow, it's kinda insane

[@tomykong2915]

indeed, data packs are a form of mod, but they are more limited in what they can alter, similar to how doom's wads were not enough to do everything people wanted them to without extra assistance. There is also a comparison to be made between data packs and server plugins, both are more limited in scope compared to what is achievable with forge or fabric mods, but are far more accessible as a result of that, particularly, in regards to the fact that with servers, you only need to install them on the server end, rather than on the client end, meaning that only 1 person needs to understand how it works, and you can join it without doing anything extra, just with the vanilla launcher

[@arkimedeez]

Terraria is randomly generated, but NOT infinite. Also Thorium doesn't add the events you listed, those are vanilla. Besides that good video

[@SlightlyFizzled]

In the case of Creation Club, I think there is the issue of the METHOD of compensation as opposed to the fact that modders are necessarily compensated at all. Seeing a store open up filled with microtransactions imitating well-known mods gave many players the impression that Bethesda hasn't learned anything since the horse armor fiasco. If they were initially bundled together in a package like they did with Anniversary Edition, I think people would have less of a visceral reaction. In addition, there were issues with how Bethesda ran it (people disagreed about what Bethesda was paying modders, heavy restrictions on things like voice acting leading to poor quest quality, etc.) And my personal gripe with the system is that I was promised all future DLC in exchange for buying a season pass, but now apparently THIS officially licensed and released downloadable content doesn't count and you have to purchase the anniversary edition separately. Bethesda shouldn't get away with breaking their promises simply because they're being sort of nice by contracting modders for their DLC.

[@Verchiel_]

I personally think at it's core the main issue people had was just how expensive it was an to an extent still is if you ignore AE dlc. Even saints and seducers which adds four whole new armor and weapon sets, along with a whole dungeon with new assets along side some new unique artifacts it's 15 bucks, 5 less than the dragonborn dlc which way outshines it in a value perspective. While i entirely agree the way modders were compensated for it, being a lump sum instead of a percentagy of monthly sales and such. I do think in the end it is a pretty nice thing to do as a whole. A company endorsing modders so much so they commission them to make addons for the game. Nor would i consider the creation club content to be explicitly "dlc", more so addons as they're much smaller bits of content that usually don't quite integrate into the game like the major dlcs do. In a sense making them entirely optional and not "i need this to get the skyrim experience" though i acknowledge that's entirely up to interpretation.

[@kalackninja]

i also thought that a bunch of moders got robbed and other people were uploading their mods to the creation club.

[@Verchiel_]

@@kalackninja you thought immensely wrong.

[@kalackninja]

@@Verchiel_ Good retort only took five seconds to prove you wrong. Why respond so confidently when you literally are clueless about the situation.

[@Verchiel_]

@@kalackninja do you have a source on me being wrong

[@Jane-qh2yd]

I think it can't be understated how influential the Half Life modding scene has been, for both the first and second game. Not only has the modding community remained strong for the past 25 years, but some of these mods have become so popular as to eventually become fully fledged titles. Counter Strike, which currently is the most played Steam game by a mile, was once just a half life mod. Same goes for titles like Cry of Fear, Stanley's Parable and Day of Defeat were all once Half Life Mod. This modding scene was so popular that Valve ended up releasing Gmod, which was a whole sandbox game that allowed player to mess around freely with the Source Engine and Half Life 2's assets. Besides Doom, Half Life might have the most influential modding scene in history

[@StuckProcessing]

Valve did not make Garry’s Mod. It was made by… well, I don’t need to tell you who

[@Texan_BoyKisser]

@@StuckProcessing They did not say that Valve made Gmod.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

Valve didn't make GMod

[@akiranara6404]

Something I feel like I have to point out: Skyrim was *not* the first time Bethesda released the same tools they used to make the game so modders could use them. That started with Morrowind's Construction Set, almost a decade earlier, and similar tools were released for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas.

[@MateoF_]

Skyrim was the first time they were as supportive as they are now. Like adding a mod manager to the console releases and even allowing you to upload mods to steam workshop. As well as trying to charge people for mods too which was ridiculous. With every small positive there’s a big negative lol

[@akiranara6404]

@@MateoF_ Yes, but Lufa said Skyrim was the first time Bethesda gave modders the same tools they used to make the game. They'd been doing that since Morrowind.

[@MateoF_]

@@akiranara6404 yeah I saw. Probably wasn’t aware or never got into morrowind. I only just got into morrowind a couple years ago and before I started playing I thought Skyrim was superior and was the first time Bethesda had made a creation kit for mods. Especially because how big of a deal it was made when the creation kit came out. I was 11 when Skyrim came out and a lot of people were like me in thinking Skyrim was a first if it’s kind.

[@oniplexCarbon]

Minecraft is a Total Heaven For modding, you can change minecraft to be whatever you fucking want... be it RPG or Technology mods, Mobs or Structures Even a TCM for Battlefield as Minecraft is available Till this day I have never ever seen a game with modding Capabilities like Minecraft, with the amount of creativity minecraft has as a Moddable game is Insane, Even Surpassing the Likes of Doom And Terraria

[@vladthelazyslowpoke7222]

Are there any mods that turn Minecraft into an open-world RPG with a pre-made map and actual good story and plotlines?

[@sillythewanderer4221]

@@vladthelazyslowpoke7222on KZbin search bloodborne in Minecraft there was a team recreating the game in Minecraft, and at this point it just looks like low-poly bloodborne. Sorry but off the top of my head I can’t think of a really good story based adventure map

[@oniplexCarbon]

@vladthelazyslowpoke7222 minecraft is already openworld , but Some mods are...: ice and fire , mowzies mobs, bosses of mass destruction, divine rpg, cyclic and many many many many more...

[@oniplexCarbon]

@vladthelazyslowpoke7222 as for maps you can install one and for the story each mod packs have their own storyline with each mods having their own lore

[@morrisstanforth3278]

Twilight forest?

[@TopPotato109]

I can’t believe that Warcraft 3 didn’t even get an honorable mention

[@fbritannia]

One big omission from this video to me, are strategy games. Pretty much any strategy series have thousands of mods that fundamentally change the game. The best Star Trek Games are mods for Stellaris and Sins of a Solar Empire, the best Lord of the Rings game is in Total War, Game of Thrones for CK2, the incredible total conversions for Mount and Blade Warband, all the Civilization IV mods that allow you to change it into any genre you want. Even Mobas, one of the most popular genres today were born out of a StarCraft modification.

[@QuicklyFast]

Weren't MOBAs born when they made the original DOTA from Warcraft 3?

[@fbritannia]

@@QuicklyFast Yes, you're right, I got them mixed up, it was Warcraft 3.

[@ravencl]

I feel a good example of this, would probably be the 2d pokemon games, especially firered. romhacks like pokemon crown, that entirely uproot the original games mechanics, or many others that create entire new reigions, stories, and seperate experiences, are kinda mindboggling to see. People have been messing with that games code so long that there are many hacks that even surpass what gamefreak originally designed.

[@christianstonecipher1547]

Can't forget Warcraft 3 from when blizzard had a modicum of dignity. Having a mod that literally created a new game genre. Not the craziest modability, but definitely leagues ahead of the majority of games.

[@nord76231]

Are we just going to look over the fact that every time Bethesda updates Skyrim. It breaks everybody's mod load order?

[@josephkeen7224]

That goes for the majority of games though, because of the fact that code the mod needs to run has been changed, even Minecraft has this problem.

[@nord76231]

@@josephkeen7224 that is very true. It just feels way worse with Bethesda games. Because it's often unannounced almost random. And you need third party tools to downgrade the game again. Minecraft doesn't force an automatic update down your throat. I have had Skyrim update, meanwhile i was playing the game. Crashing the game. And as a final rub of salt in the wound. It's usually just to add more paid mods to the game.

[@Athai_]

@@nord76231 Most people that mod Skyrim already know to disable automatic updates on Steam... when Steam actually works as intended. And ouch I feel your pain on that game crash.

[@tommax1626]

@@nord76231 True, i have about 5 skyrim versions installed, i had to rename folders so the game wont update and downgrading and stuff is just painful

[@nord76231]

@@tommax1626 especially when some mods updates to the new version, but others don't.

[@headlesszombie8689]

Can’t believe you didn’t mention the Stalker Series. The Stalker games have been modded so hard that one of the mods (Stalker Anomaly) is its own standalone game outright now that you can play without even needing to own the original games.

[@calvocalvin2577]

I was waiting to hear about stalker

[@Herkolesboi]

ATTA BOY YOU GOT SPONSORED

[@DRodriguezGaming]

I am a bit surprised ARK has not been mentioned. I wouldn't call it a modding heaven but it was getting there.

[@croozerdog]

modern minecraft feels like one of my friends modpacks from 2013 with all kinds of random disconnected stuff no one will do while also not fixing any of the core issues

[@BryanLu0]

It's because people hate any attempts they make to fix core issues. E.g. Experimental Villager Trade Rebalance

[@vitriolicAmaranth]

I feel it's worth saying that pretty much everything you say about Skyrim applies to Morrowind, Oblivion, FO3 and FONV as well. Also the Creation Kit wasn't named after the Creation Engine, the Creation Engine was named after the Creation Kit. FO3 was the first game to call it "Creation Kit" after the Garden of Eden Creation Kit from pre-Bethesda Fallout lore, a macguffin device that can take some water and transform an area of radioactive wasteland into a lush ecosystem. Prior to FO3, Morrowind and Oblivion were also released with an earlier version of the same software, except it was called the "Construction Set" instead. And Oblivion had a total conversion of similar quality to Enderal by the same developers as Enderal, called Nehrim, a year before Skyrim was ever even released.

[@kaburank8152]

Only person i've found who can pull my attention without also singing me a lullaby. Keep it up man :)

[@robinhood768]

They were Fans, remaking an early 2000s Vampire Game using Skyrim as an engine. It looks crazy. I forgot the name, might edit later.

[@ReallyToast3002]

35:18 Just wanted to mention that these events where already part of the base game. (Someone might of already mentioned this, but I haven't seen them yet so yeah) Cool video though, great analysis of the communities and mods :)

[@user-ic1jd7qs3p]

My favorite Minecraft modpack that I would never play is GregTech: New Horizons. It is insanely deep, and that is putting it lightly. I don't have the words to describe how deep it is. It takes on average 8,000-10,000 hours to complete, and not many people have done it. It turns Minecraft into an automation and logistics game like Factorio or Satisfactory. For example, creating a vanilla piston requires nine different steps, excluding ore processing, which is a whole different beast.

[@itkeeks]

The only game I’ve been brave enough to mod was Minecraft, but I do really wish there was more support 😭 the whole process felt so sketch

[@iAmLufa]

They did NOT care

[@kjane8360]

curseforge loader is pretty good

[@toasty4021]

my go to advice for new modders is just to install the curseforge lol

[@branimirgacina4]

as sketch as it seems, I love how you just need a special launcher and then you can just play modspacks already ready for playing

[@SwedishFox]

Idk, Minecraft is quite easy to mod and if you are scared of messing something up you can use any of the many mod launchers. They are basically just a download a modpack and enjoy.

[@grins9882]

9:35 BIG misconception, the marketplace isnt the only place nor even the most popular place to get bedrock mods (addons) people usually download them _for free_ online

[@corruptedplayer]

thats only true for pc and modded consoles. i think the most bedrock players are on the various consoles that feature bedrock. and even less of those players have their consoles modded so they can download foreign files

[@BryanLu0]

​@@corruptedplayerI think they're talking about Windows/mobile rather than console

[@diablo.the.cheater]

Dont forget the sims. There is a series of mods for the sims 4 that straight up converts it into a sex simulator, and this mod has its own mods. What is funny is that modding is like a big thing in IT, there are whole ecosystems of software that essentially work by the same way that game mods work.

[@raz651]

Incredible video, makes me appreciate the developers of the games and mods much more. Good stuff Lufa

[@iAmLufa]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@gavinq5169]

how tf are you not bigger? this felt like a larger creators video so seamlessly

[@pacothemajestic]

My current favorite modding communities are the Rivals of Aether workshop community, and Morrowind's Tamriel Rebuilt team. Also shoutouts to Project M!

[@Webmage101]

You should try Better Than Wolves, a REALLY old, near-complete rework of minecraft made in response to wolves being added. It makes dark kill you, hunger is scary, death is debilitating but potentially rewarding, getting close to death makes you MORE likely to die, and (in the newest version of it) creepers actually explode from their center so you can't block them easily anymore. It also completely changes spawning requirements, dirt falls, dirt sand and gravel are now slabbable, and you don't even get dirt as a full block, you get pieces of dirt. You want A LOT of dirt, by the way. Nether Portals are also REALLY dangerous, not because of what is in the nether, but because of what happens to mobs around them. Chickens explode, sheep float, wolves get really mad, and squids? Squids begin crying. And Squids/Wolves have new behavior now too! Squids are neutral in the way spiders are, and they attempt to drag you into the water, which is really hard to get out of! And if they get close to you, you'll wear them and be unable to see while they eat you. They can also hop onto zombies, but zombies won't die from them. Wolves are now a huge issue, but also potentially good. Wolves drop wolfchops, which can be cooked and eaten, but doing so near a wolf will aggro them which is very dangerous. If a wolf eats rotten flesh it will undergo a transformation after ~5 minutes into The Beast with more health higher attack and all around meanness. It also adds a lot of machinery for the mid to late game, as it's actually a TECH mod first and foremost! It adds 2 forms of "power" gen, wind and waterwheels, which power axles like create does, but better. No worries about limits, as long as you can get an axle to it it's powered. The dragon fight isn't the end either, oh no, it's just the only way home with the goodies in the end! Endstone is used to make the new most powerful things after all, Soulforged tools and armor! Made in a 4*4 crafting grid, no less. But that's not all, remember how I said death was potentially a boon? BTW has a progression system, where every tier makes the radius you can spawn in larger every time! It starts off small, but eventually you can spawn thousands of blocks away! In fact, you may want to! Structures are now very good, but only as you get farther from spawn! within 2000 blocks, structures are 'abandoned', meaning villages will be empty, have no crops, and zero loot. Not even furnaces or chests! Within 3000 blocks, villages become deserted, leaving behind SOME crops and potentially, one VERY hungry villager who may leave you stranded far from home once again if it sees you. After 3000 blocks villages are full and have more hungry villagers and crops, temples have their full loot instead of the 'junk' items, and the elusive Jungle Temple houses a very useful automation tool, if you dare to brave the dangers of the jungle... The jungle now houses a very dangerous enemy: Jungle Spiders. These nasty little critters will poison you AND give you hunger! Walking on leaves also makes you VERY slow, leaving you open to their attacks. Ah, I suppose I should talk about spawn requirements and WALKING SPEED shouldn't I? Yes, that's right, walking speed. For you see, different materials now make you walk slower, like grass/dirt and gravel making you walk slightly slower, sand making you quite slow, and leaves making you walk at a snails pace. Now about spawn requirements! 1.13 lighting rules are in affect here, but blocks also change what can spawn! Nothing bad can spawn on wood, and nothing good can spawn. No, that isn't a typo. Nothing good can spawn. No passive mob spawns except upon loading a new chunk! Same goes for villagers and their hungry counterparts. Now for the special things! Jungle Spiders ONLY spawn on jungle leaves. That is their only requirement. If there are jungle leaves, they can spawn on them. Mobs spawned from spawners don't give drops unless they have lived for at least one day. Ah, a little fun fact that doesn't fit anywhere else: Endermen are chickens and will run if you hit them. Now for the nether and its FUN little quirks... Zombie pigmen WILL swarm you. If one kills you, consider you items forfeit unless you have either a bow or soulforged steel at home. The one who killed you will wear your armor and weapon, and if it notices you, it WILL aggro ALL pigmen nearby. Be prepared to die multiple times. Also, they don't care WHO or WHAT hit them, pigmen will always aggro on the player, and will remember that for a while. The nether hosts the best source of automated wood: Bloodwood trees. These funky little things will continuously regrow, providing automatic wood for you! You will need it. Soulsand provides access to soul urns, a very useful item used in many recipes, and used to cure hungry villagers. Speaking of villagers, lets talk about their trades. Their trades are painful and required. You cannot make eyes of ender. You have to trade for them from a Librarian. Librarians, are rare. Librarians only appear in villages beyond the 3000 limit. Same story with the OTHER pain in my ---, Priests. Priests are needed for the final level up trade before eyes of ender are unlocked for trade by the Librarian, an block which places blocks. Do you know what priests need? That very useful automation tool in the jungle temple. And that's just the level up requirements. Villagers tend to love selling you things for insane amounts of emeralds and giving you 1 or 2 emeralds for bucketloads of difficult to obtain items, including crops. Yes, crops. Carrots and Potatoes take 5 days to grow and only give you 2 back RARELY. This is IF they survive that long, as unless they are planted in a planter they will grow weeds that need to be cleared or they die. Wheat is worse, taking 7 days and maybe giving you a single wheat, but gives you ample seeds in return. That's all I'm going to list however, as I believe KZbin will cut me off if I go any longer. This is your local adhd transfem signing off.

[@CesarGameBoy.]

It can’t be understated how much the original DOOM games influenced and popularized: - First Person Games. - Shooter Games. - Computer Gaming. - Violence in Games. - Shotguns in Games. - 3D Technology. - Speedrunning. - Mod Support. A large amount of the modern gaming youth don’t know or even respect the OG DOOM. Yet without that small group at id Software, we likely wouldn’t have many of the great games we have now. Even 30 years later, DOOM still feels as fluent and fun as modern games, sometimes even more so! All because a group of 90s 20-something year olds who liked making games and playing Dungeons & Dragons turned down a partnership with 20th Century Fox to make a licensed “Alien” shooter.

[@moonlitwyvern6840]

Incredibly well put together video and already feels underrated. Commenting for that algo boost :)

[@iAmLufa]

you’re gonna make me cry😭

[@HolySpaceMan]

shouldve mentioned the sonic robo blast 2 kart racing mod for doom 2 when you were talking about the other sonic one cause the karting one is fucking crazy too

[@AsIfItNeverWas]

Just found your channel and I'm loving your stuff, and as someone whose main hobby is modding Skyrim, I would like to add a few things. Skyrim mods are even more versatile and varied than most people could imagine. Mods can touch every aspect of the game and I mean that quite literally. Mods like ENBs and the thousands of ENBs available for it are the most important and impactful part of improving the graphics of your game. ENBs tend to be extremely performance intensive but boy are they worth it. Rudy, PI-CHO, NLA, NAT.III, Cabbage and Ruvaak Dahmaan are some of my favourite ENB presets. Other stuff like textures and meshes are extremely important too. SMIM is a mod that everyone uses unless as a base as it improves so much stuff. And there are hundreds of texture packs covering different aspects of the game like landscapes, architecture, clutter etc. But I would personally go for the bigger ones like Skurkbro's Retexture Project, Skyland AIO or Pfuscher's Skyrim 202X. In terms of gameplay, there are mods for every part of the gameplay whether it be the leveling system, perks, werewolf/vampire gameplay, combat etc. The two best modders in the scene in terms of this imo is EnaiSiaion and Simon Magus, whose collections of mods are collectively known as EnaiRim and SimonRim respectively. It is genrally advised to use only EnaiSiaion mods or Simon Magus mods and not mix and match them with each other or other mods as using the mods from only one author would result in better balancing but I personally use a mix of their mods and mods from other mod authors. In terms of new content in the forms of new lands, quests and followers, I don't think there is a modding scene as rich and as extensive as Skyrim in this particular aspect. With the exception of total conversions like Enderal, basically every mod with new quests, lands and follower are compatible with each other with very few exceptions and patches being provided for basically every incompatibility. The Forgotten City, Moon & Star and Clockwork are some of the smaller ones but are exceptionally well written and worth playing. Mods like Wyrmstooth, Wheels Of Lull, Project AHO, Midwood Isle and Falskaar are the more medium sized mods. All of them have custom voice acting and are very fun. But the really big ones are Beyond Reach, Warden Of The Coast and Beyond Skyrim: Bruma which adds so much to the game. However, I also have to mention the trilogy of mods made by Vicn which are:; Vigilant, Glenmoril & Unslaad (in that order), of which Vigilant is finished, Unslaad pretty much done and Glenmoril almost finished. They are extremely dark and delve really deep into the darker and more esoteric aspects of the Elder Scrolls lore while expanding them. They are also heavyily inspired by the soulsbourne games with it being extremely obvious in Unslaad and Glenmoril. Some of the best new follower mods imo are Gore, Lucien, Xelzaz, Lucifer, Caryalind Thallery, Inigo etc. There are also some mods that build and improve upon vanilla content like Jayserpa's Quest Expansion mods. But there are more extensive reworks, of which Extended Cut is the most notable, aiming to expand and improve upon the entire vanilla main questline. Unfortunately, it isn't out yet but they have released Extended Cut: Saints & Seducers which overhauls the entire Saints & Seducers Creation, turning it into one of the bigger quest mods with adding a new land (The Shivering Isles). However, there are three mods that extensively overhauls vanilla followers, revoicing them, making them give commentary for quests and elaborate on their backstory. They are; Serana Dialogue Addon, Improved Follower Dialogue: Lydia and Teldryn Serious of which SDA is the most popular and IFD is my favourite. Also, I have to say a few things about the modlist Ultima. It was originally based on an amazing modlist called Nolvus with a few modifications by nukt. But nukt remade his modlist from scratch and released it like a month back but it is no longer available as he basically ghosted his community and it got banned by Wabbajack (the software used to install automated modlists) because his community was disgustingly toxic. I actually have played Ultima and it was pretty shit compared to Nolvus and modlists on Wabbajack. Nolvus (has its own installer), LoreRim, Fahluaan and Nordic Souls are some great modlists that you should try out.

[@selectionn]

Im surprised you would say what you said about ENBs, being a skyrim modder. ENBs are total garbage and cause so many issues, and are only really used by youtubers creating overbloomed, sharpened to hell, clickbait "SKYRIM AAA GRAYPHICS WTF!11?" thumbnails.

[@AsIfItNeverWas]

@@selectionn You are no Skyrim modder if you think that of ENBs. Don't let the fact that you don't know how to install an ENB or don't have a good enough PC for it colour your opinion on it.

[@CrashStudios856]

Apologies because I'm definitely not the first person to mention this, but morrowind and oblivion also came packaged with creation kits that are just about as fleshed out as skyrims is. Morrowind's most insane mod (Tamriel Rebuilt) has been in development since before morrowind even released. Oblivion has lots of really competent mods too but i mostly remember silly stuff like zombie invasion. Just felt like mentioning!

[@kquack]

calamity from terraria is probably the best gaming experience i have EVER had, how they took the base game which already was my favorite game and improved it so much is unheard of for me, the only thing that can top that off for me is fromsoftware games

[@monsoon7034]

I beat calamity once a few years ago and decided to go back through it with the infernum add while playing master mode and it is so great to piece together things that I remember and to play the absolutely fantastic boss fights that infernum has (even if I suck)

[@kquack]

yeah infernum was what made me REALLY love modded boss fights, it's just perfection@@monsoon7034

[@Mateumt]

Reverse experience for me, I like base terraria a lot, especially after 1.4, but I hated the time I spent in calamity with a friend who loves it, it felt like endless bloat on top of an already huge and complicated game sprinkled with some cool qol and okayish ideas.

[@lucavalente6620]

By only criticism of the creation club is more "fear of a possible possibility". As we went from horse armor to day 1 dlc, what I fear is that Bethesda may try in the future to discourage or obstacle the modding side that is free.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

ohhh, that is a very valid concern! edit: now I'm concerned too

[@celestialstriden]

I'm so shocked you didn't bring up dragon block c when talking about modding for minecraft, it literally is one of the coolest mods I've seen for minecraft

[@TotalElipse]

I think it's worth giving Minecraft a bit more credit on the support category. Since 2019 they've been shipping obfuscation mappings with every release of minecraft so you actually don't have to reverse engineer stuff anymore and anyone who survived the early days of id conflicts when making mod packs can attest to the way they've reworked their entire codebase to make modding easier.

[@DoctorAids]

17:07 honestly RLcraft is kind of a bad example. Its litteraly a bunch of the most youtube clickbait mods mashed together to make prime youtube reaction material. Gameplay is kinda mid if you are actually trying to do a long playthrough. Id say something like a terrafirma modpack would be a better example. It changes almost every aspect of the entire game while keeping it fair. Also when you were listing off what the thorium mod adds you listed off the 3 events that are already in the game lol. Goblin armies, solar eclipses, and pirate invasions have been in the game for ages.

[@TheGreatDanish]

I had to click entirely because of the word play in the title combined with the thumbnail. Fucking godly

[@joepreinders4110]

one game that fits perfectly is blade & sorcery, a game which is relatively basic at first, but with a few buttons (and an in-game mod manager/downloader built in) it can give whole new gamemodes, maps, weapons, enimies with smart AI and so so SO much more. Hope to see it in a part 2

[@johnlamoutte7293]

Oooooh SPONSORED

[@tavinsetser1781]

I feel like Madness project Nexus is soon to reach modding heaven, since the game has a lot of love, and people want to mod it, and soon we're getting workshop support, and the devs are producing guides on how to mod

[@iAmLufa]

Somehow I’ve never seen this game but the art style looks familiar. I’ll have to check it out I’m seeing some highhhh reviews

[@tavinsetser1781]

@@iAmLufa Yeah it's based off the madness combat web series, and I believe the creator calls the series canon, you'll have to fact check me on that tho. Currently (pre workshop) there are like, two mods that are worth your time, and one is like super duper niche, and the other turns it into a sandbox. But I think workshop will fix this and make the game achieve modding heaven.

[@iAmLufa]

Awesome. I’ll be interested to see where it goes, feel free to update me!

[@tavinsetser1781]

@@iAmLufa Expect me in like, a month if I remember, you should get the game though, it's like 25 dollars and maybe if the game gets enough players we will get networking.

[@Manahina1]

35:17 This just hurts me. All three of these are base-game features, one of which being in the game since its original release.

[@Wadosan]

I think Geometry dash should have gotten at least an honorable mention with its editor. Sure it’s editor is built into the game, but the community has been able to turn it into something it 100% should NOT have been able to do. Back in 2.1, Serponge released “Mastergame”, a fully fledged Top down Zelda-esque RPG with its own mechanics, map, and somehow, a password save system. Later down the line, Yoreid released Floating Maze and Floating Outskirts, which were platformer levels before they were supported natively. Then Dienid’s released Abel, which simulated camera effects before that was supported, and then there was “What” by Spu7nix which is just a pure anomaly that I can’t even begin to comprehend. Once 2.2 came out the floodgates completely opened with Platformer mode adding enough controls to make some legitimate gaming experiences. After seeing multiple metroidvanias pop up and Fnaf fully recreated in the game within a month of the update, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got GTA 5 in Geometry dash before we see GTA 6.

[@retropeacock386]

Sonic Generations can be considered a game that has achieved modding heaven. Tons of character hacks (a few even give them new abilities), tons of levels and more. There are only a few hacks that try to make it a completely new game, like project unleash and generations adventure, but i think it can count for modding heaven.

[@fumofumo7815]

Starbound is an unspoken beast of modding, sorry for people who disagree. They've got some really crazy stuff there

[@KuroNK]

i haven't seen what starbound mods add, but looking at the points he made in the video, makes sense since Starbound is terraria but worse, so there's more room for mods to make it good.

[@fumofumo7815]

@@KuroNK I mean kind of but the generation of Starbound is extremely malleable for modding. Unlike Terraria with its limited map size, Starbound has about a trillion planets. The advantage there is more biomes and such. I know Terraria has some mods with extra 'sub worlds' but they are more clumsy than Starbounds as it has an integrated teleporter for quests and all that Basically Starbound has more potential Also it has wiring so factories exist

[@KuroNK]

@@fumofumo7815 Wow, might have to pickup starbound again, honestly, i bought it some time ago and after playing for 20~ hours and getting bored, i just dropped the game and forgot about it ever since.

[@fumofumo7815]

@@KuroNK Its a mess, be warned Game has cranky optimization. I just enjoy the Frackin Universe loop for some reason

[@idontwantahandlethough]

Great concept for a video bro!

[@darthtempest4722]

0:13 if you didn't say that was Skyrim I would have thought it was another breath of the wild type game

[@Toastymuffin]

Not a single valve game?

[@KingDuken]

Skyrim modders just added ChatGPT to be able to talk to NPCs. They have real conversations with you and other NPCs and remember what you and other NPCs have talked to them about. This is crazy. I can't wait until future RPG games are like this.

[@lynixt]

My guy almost gaslit me thinking that Pirate invasion, goblin army, and solar eclipse are a modded content

[@unknownpeople5140]

I was waiting for rimworld to be mentioned but great video

[@Verchiel_]

As a PC player who's all time favorite games are minecraft, skyrim and terraria this was an absolute treat of a video to watch. For years i've offhandedly preached minecraft and skyrim modding communities being possibly the biggest out there, not just in the amount of mods but the extensiveness too. From entire mechanic overhauls, to entire game overhauls and adding functions you couldn't even thing would be possible, like adding browser screens that can access the internet in minecraft, or using graphics mods and some screenshotting focused tools to turn skyrim into a Blender competitor for making 3D art scenes. To be honest though, i personally don't enjoy minecraft, modded or vanilla, and my love for it is purely out of me spending thousands of hours watching minecraft videos and playing it a bit as a kid. Meanwhile i have thousands of hours in both terraria and skyrim, out of sheer replayability of them only exaggerated by the mods.

[@iAmLufa]

I almost included when captain sparklez did a verizon video call through minecraft lol

[@nickpaben5809]

watching this while I scroll through my 1300 mod skyrim modlist

[@Solesteam]

37:31 That'll pair nicely with the lawnmower item and the Santa claus Npc in the base game.

[@Marquploads]

26:00 Another counter-point to the Creation Club Store would be that there is no other way to implement this if not for updating the game executable along other files, which caused the game to enlarge unnecessarily and break mods that are dependent either or both of the game version or of the version of the Skyrim Script Extender Special Edition (which is indirectly the same thing).

[@kennyalwaysdies1]

The goblin army, pirate invasion, and solar eclipse aren't from thorium mod, they're part of vanilla terraria

[@titiadamoita5630]

GTA San Andreas definitely deserves to be in a part 2! Loved the vid ❤

[@aloyminimum]

Black Ops 3 Zombies had a faithful recreation of Silent Hill PT hidden in a Minecraft horror map. That’s a game that deserves a video

[@brandolorian3333]

Fallout is getting conversion mods to make essentially sequel games within the game. You can play fallout 3 in new Vegas, they are porting 3 and new Vegas to 4, and making expansions like fallout Miami and fallout London. Morrowind some fans I guess remade the game in Unity to push mod support. Also not talking about skywind and skyblivion is pretty nuts(Skyrim mods being made to replay morrowind and oblivion in Skyrim engine). Also Skyrim together, a mod to play Skyrim with friends! Starfield even without access to the creation kit already has a crazy amount of mod support you can at this point turn it into a Star Wars rpg. Star Wars battlefront 2 has essentially a fan made mod that turned it into battlefront 3. Lastly elden ring, the amount of content people have added to the games, seamless coop which allows you to play the entire game seamlessly with a friend is insane. Put together with the combat overhauls and magic spells and weapons addons and it’s also in modded heaven. Not by meeting the standards but by the same reasoning as terarria

[@celwenileran2135]

Rimworld is another HUGE game with a gigantic modding scene that deserves a spot.

[@AC03115]

If I could suggest a series to look at I’d recommend the Soulsborne games, especially the more recent ones like Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, and Sekiro. There are tons of incredible mods that’ve been made from them, especially total conversion mods that either make the games much harder or turn them into brand new games. The Convergence mods are some of the best examples for this series since they add tons of new weapons, magic spells, Change up level/location layouts, and either add new mechanics to boss fights that are in the vanilla games or just add brand new fights that are sometimes so good it feels like FromSoft themselves could’ve designed them. Archthrones is another great example recently with DS3 that adds brand new levels and game mechanics to DS3 that almost make it feel like Dark Souls 4

[@tibi20024]

Awesome video. I would say that a game series I personally view as a modding heaven would probably have to be Pokémon. I mean people have made entirely new games in the engines of various Pokémon games, turning the games into dungeon crawlers, turn-based RPGs, open sandboxes or even detective games. The only thing I'd say it lacks from being a true Modding Heaven would be the fact that Nintendo and the Pokémon company actively are against any kind of mods or rom hacks based on the franchise, going as far as taking down mods and rom hacks for the pettiest of reasons. On the flip side, it does have a lot of fan-made modding and rom hacking tools that can allow anyone, even those without coding and technnology know how can make their own(I would know, I messed around with some of those tools and I did manage to edit the base gameplay loop of Pokémon pretty easily). Definetely needs to be included in a possible Part 2 of this video.

[@tomykong2915]

tbf, the pokemon fangame scene is even more prominent when it comes to games made in the rpgmaker engine, rather than the romhack scene, and many games youtubers describe as a romhack, are actually examples of this

[@tibi20024]

@@tomykong2915 I was aware of that thanks but the rom hacking Pokemon scene is still proeminent. I mean there are 2 whole sites dedicated to rom hacks, a bajillion different rom hacks and a variety of tools to use. Besides I made this comment on a video about proeminent rom hacking/modding scenes, so I don't think the fan games were all that relevant to bring up

[@tomykong2915]

@@tibi20024 my point was moreso that it makes sense why it wouldn't have been covered, it feels like a bad example, as while it exists, the romhacking scene for pokemon is actually pretty small, and even the fangame scene for it is miniscule compared to the modding scenes for any of these other games being covered, and doesn't really bring anything significant to the table for these discussions, beyond just being an example of romhacks, rather than what's mostly covered here with pc modding

[@Flahtort]

Also STALKER is higlhy moddable. Even tho it still have the same vibes, there is a ton of mods for that games that really plays like another chapter of game with new weapons, story, locations and mechanics.

[@josephkeen7224]

Another Elder Scrolls game that’s not quite in modding heaven (due to having a smaller community and said community mostly making mods that fix the base game or try to blend in with it) is Daggerfall. In one of the series celebrations (that I can’t remember) Bethesda released Daggerfall for free, and a team led by someone who goes by InterKarma online are working on porting the game into the Unity engine. One neat benefit of the game is that it has the procedural generation of Minecraft (since a lot of the game is randomly generated because the mod is so fucking huge), and the linear progression of Skyrim, especially due to the detailed class creation. One example Travel Options which adds an auto walk to replace the fast travel (for context the base game relies a lot on fast travel due to the large size, but unlike modern games the fast travel takes in game time with some options that effect how long it takes, this adds a time management element due to quest having a time limit to when you complete it until it fails), and the ladder adds radiant quests you can come across around the world depending on a dice roll. Another interesting mod is The Archeologist Guild, which adds a new faction focused around stealth and the games speech skills and fixing those said skills (the speech skills allow for things like of course bartering, and for the ability to pacify enemies, but in the original game the skills wouldn’t increase as you used them instead you could only increase the skills by putting points into them as you leveled up).

[@Badguy292]

Speaking of RLCraft, Shivaxi is a great guy, he also helped develop the RLCoop Realistic Survival mod for Unreal Gold, and helped the Duke Nukem Forever 2001 leak modding team with Unreal Engine 1. Overall awesome dude and has DJ streams where everyone jams out to sweet tunes.

[@thinker2273]

I think it's worth mentioning that modern Minecraft mods do make use of a significant portion of the game's built-in extensibility. Things like custom crafting recipes, advancements, loot tables, textures, models, and sounds, are supported completely out-of-the-box with moderns versions of the game. And it appears we're very close to getting full custom blocks and items soon-ish as well.

[@greenberrygk]

“When games become engines” HAS HE NOT SEEN GEOMETRY DASH

[@HereticalKitsune]

Some of my favorite games are Modding Haven, The Elder Scrolls and Falout games of course, then Terraria, Stardew Valley, Minecraft, Rimworld...

[@pancakehiatt]

people forget that notch was anti modding in the early days of Minecraft

[@manusgraham1159]

No mention of the modding scene of Half Life/Valve games in general, even ignoring how many mods for Valve games became fully fledges games on their own through Valve's support or that Valve allowed the fan made remake of one of their games to be sold on the store front, even ignoring that support the community thrives through some of the best fan content, equalling and even exceeding in some cases the quality laid out by Valve

[@iAmLufa]

What do you mean ignoring, maybe I'm just saving Half Life for a different video?

[@Sizifus]

Kind of wild you didn't talk about Source engine games, in particular, Garry's mod. That game is an extremely moddable mod of an extremely moddable game engine. You can't go more meta than that

[@HunterHerbst]

To add on to the Mojang and Minecraft modding topic: Mojang is actually relatively supportive of mods and have done one major thing to assist in making the game much easier to mod: Starting in 2019, they began releasing the deobfuscation mappings for the game. Which basically is used to make reverse engineering the game code easier, meaning modding APIs can now update within a matter of days to weeks instead of taking weeks to months.

[@peterjohnson11655]

great video! i think warcraft 3 deserves to be mentioned in discussions like this. the game released with a really powerful official map editor and quickly developed a really passionate modding community. i don't know if it's reached the same level of "modding heaven" that games mentioned here have, but there's still been some really impressive things made in it, such as the original Defence of the Ancients map, which was eventually made into a fully independent game and literally helped to invent an entire new genre of video games.

[@Kairyumable]

Paradox games have so much mods it's insane, a quick look in the steam workshop shows so many content, total conversions and so many more. You could easily play 300+ hours on vanilla HOIV, EU4, CK2/CK3 and 300+ per TCM, and there are a lot of them. Mount & Blade too, never played Bannerlord but Warband had a lot of vanilla+ and total conversion mods too.

[@bobromorca7198]

I am surprised that Rimworld was not mentioned. Good video regardless!